Carbug

WARNING! This article – including the links, pictures and comments within – contain massive, epoch-making, slightly unbelievable spoilers for Back To Earth. You have been warned.

You’re going to go spare. You’re going to go absolutely spare.

EDIT: CHRIS BARRIE WITH A ‘H’ ON HIS HEAD.

But, you know what? I actually rather like it.

Alright. Deep breath. First off, there’s a point about this that’s worth considering. A while ago, when people were complaining about the lack of production news, I made the point that Doctor Who had spoiled us, because of on-set reports and paparazzi pictures and the like – but that this would never happen with Dwarf, because the papers just aren’t interested. Shows how much I know. The ever-reliable Bobby Llew has already confirmed that this is not an official GNP “leak” – these are photos taken by a pap with a long-lens. Now, admittedly, the tabloid interest is almost certainly more to do with the Coronation Street angle, but even so. This is Red Dwarf STILL in the news, with The Meeja actually making an effort to find stuff out about it. It’s hard not to feel slightly proud.

Okay, so. “Kryten (Robert Llewelyn) and the crew track down ex-boss Lister (Craig Charles) to Weatherfield — where Craig, 44, plays Lloyd.” This is fucking mental. I think some people had predicted something like this, but this is the first time we’ve had confirmation that there’s at least some kind of meta element to the show. I mean, all speculation aside, the cold hard facts are : the show has been filming on the set of Corrie. And Simon Gregson is in it.

Now, before you all start blathering on about Dimensions in Time, let’s get some perspective. Red Dwarf is, first and foremost, a comedy show. It’s never been particularly madcap or zany, and never has it ever been meta or fourth-wall-breaking within its own continuity. On the other hand, from the in-character links of Smeg Ups to Can’t Smeg Won’t Smeg, it’s a simple fact that self-referential humour has been a part of the franchise as a whole. With varying degrees of success, admittedly, but this is not out of the blue. And frankly, I’ve found myself wondering just how “traditional-format” Dwarf (whatever the hell that means anyway) could be fresh and relevant after so long. If we’re getting a complete about-face, I don’t really mind as long as it’s funny (but then, I’m a fan of metafiction in general anyway – my favourite comics are by Grant Morrison, my favourite recent novels are by Jasper Fforde). Of course, there’s no way of knowing from one tabloid report (especially one that calls the Dwarfers “alien visitors” – nice one, chaps) exactly what’s going on, and they could have got completely the wrong end of the stick. I’ve got my theories, but I’m not going to share them for now for fear of looking stupid.

And the car itself. This is, of course, going to be controversial. But come on – just look at the thing. It’s brilliant. It’s a wonderful piece of design, and the level of attention to detail – not to mention the sheer bloody lunacy of the thing – bodes incredibly well for the production design of the show as a whole. It could just be an incredibly cheap way of “doing” Starbug on Dave’s budget (like… I don’t know, they get to earth and suddenly the ship transmogrifies into that thing somehow). Or it could just be a simple and very funny single-scene joke (and that’s another thing to remember – this was one day‘s shooting. The Corrie material is clearly only going to make up a very small part of the episode) – again, I’ve got my theories as to how it might fit in in a highly amusing way, but I’ll wait and see if we get any further information first.

Yes, this could be an absolute unmitigated disaster. But on the other hand… it could be really fucking funny. And that is, in the final analysis, what Red Dwarf is all about.

EDIT (11:23am): Manchester Evening News has got a couple of new pics, including, rather excitingly, Craig in costume as Lister. Excellent. And look – Carbug has little legs on the wheels!

They’ve also pointed out the old quote by Craig: “[Back To Earth] sees me playing quite a few characters, some of them I’ve already played on television”. Hear that? That’s the sound of a thousand pennies dropping. What odds on a Captain Butler revival?

EDIT #2 (12:02pm): A bigger version of the Kryten picture has shown up in the print edition of The Mirror:

Chris Barrie with an 'H' on his bonce.

RIMMER IS A HOLOGRAM, RIMMER IS A HOLOGRAM, RIMMER IS A HOLOGRAM.

EDIT #3 (7:35pm): Here’s a better picture of Rimmer’s costume, courtesy of a) The Daily Star and b) thomasaevans.

Rimmer. Blue.

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  1. G&T Admin

    Jesus Fucking Christ, where the hell to start?!

    Firstly, what in the name of shit is this article talking about. “Kryten (Robert Llewelyn) and the crew track down ex-boss Lister (Craig Charles) to Weatherfield”. Ex-boss? WEATHERFIELD? Does this mean they are literally going to Coronation Street or is it just a useful standing set they’re using?

    And the Starbug car! What the fucking FUCK is going on?

  2. It’s the Sun, so I’m immediately skeptical about the text. The photos, though? They’re interesting…

  3. G&T Admin

    The Kryten mask looks good, mind! A bit strange round the mouth, but that’s likely just the angle it was taken from.

    I’m having a REALLY hard time trying to make sense of these pictures and the report. The Sun have been so horrifically vague and that, mixed in with awful writing, has left me confused and upset.

  4. That was horrible.

    Please tell me they’re only using the set.

  5. G&T Admin

    > Please tell me they?re only using the set.

    And, coincidentally, one of the actors.

  6. Fuck.
    If they’re going for a Dwarf/Corrie crossover I may have to kill myself.

  7. G&T Admin

    I’m just having trouble working out what exactly this is all about. I haven’t even begun to imagine my feelings on the matter.

    Ok, so maybe I have a little, but it’s definitely too early to share them…

  8. Well, what is this telling me? I think it’s saying… total immersion vr. Hehe :D

  9. G&T Admin

    You know, I haven’t been to sleep tonight… is it possible I’m just hallucinating all this?

  10. I can’t get the image of the Starbug car out of my head.
    I may be permanently traumatised.

  11. G&T Admin

    > I can?t get the image of the Starbug car out of my head.

    What the fuck?

  12. I feel sick.

    I’m not losing hope yet, but this has the potential to exceed even my very worst nightmares…

    Robert looks good though. New detailing on the suit too, if I’m not mistaken.

  13. Okay, so I’m starting to get an idea of what this is all about, but… I’m sorry, I think the car is hilarious. There are various different possibilities for what it could actually mean, and I think it could be really funny.

  14. I’m not actually put off by this. I can remember when The Sun broke the Doctor Who story about The Doctor being in Big Brother and the Anne-Droid. That for me turned out okay, despite massive initial reservations.

    I’m absolutely bloody stunned by that image, but the car itself looks absolutely fantastic, as does Rob in his Kryten costume.

  15. G&T Admin

    Carbug – call it by its name.

  16. >the car itself looks absolutely fantastic

    It really does. It’s a lovely piece of design work, and the attention to detail (look at the wheel covers!) is fantastic.

    If nothing else, that image bodes *incredibly* well for the production design on the rest of the show.

  17. What the shuddering fuck?

    Ok, so they make it back to Earth…and have to track down Lister who is living as his character in Coronation Street.

    This is either absolute genius…. or Red Christmas all over again.

  18. G&T Admin

    Remember when Doctor Who crossed over with Eastenders? That was brilliant!

    21 posts… Cappsy wins the sweepstake.

  19. > If nothing else, that image bodes *incredibly* well for the production design on the rest of the show.

    Yep. This is exactly why it works for me. I’m guessing at somekind of collapsing realities storyline, but who knows. A lot of the series 8 production didn’t feel right too me. This somehow does.

  20. Article updated with G&T blathering, as per usual!

  21. *Dimensions in Time reference removed*

    I will however stand by the notion that this will be brilliant. Fantastic character comedy and biting satire on the artifice of celebrity from the deft and restrained wit of Doug Naylor!

  22. In the print edition of The Mirror, there’s a slightly extended view of the Kryten picture with Rimmer stood behind him. With the ‘H’ on.

  23. Seems like Red Dwarf: Back to Earth has just become Galaxy Quest: UK.

    …Gotta love Carbug, though :-))))

  24. All naysaying aside…It could turn out to be a “convincing Kryten that he’s really a Mechanoid in Gunmen”-type scenario.

    Which could be very good.

    Craig’s been quoted as saying that he’ll be playing several parts, some of which include characters he’s already played on TV.

    Does that mean we could also look forward to him bumping into his Robot Wars alter-ego…or sitting in a recording booth narrating Takeshi’s Castle?

    Maybe we’ll see similar things for other characters. The Cat bumping into himself in The Crouches? Rimmer bumping into Gordon Brittas?

  25. G&T Admin

    In the print edition of The Mirror, there?s a slightly extended view of the Kryten picture with Rimmer stood behind him. With the ?H? on.

    OMG SOMEONE SCAN THIS IN PLS

  26. Go to the shops you lazy git.

  27. G&T Admin

    Rimmer bumping into Gordon Brittas?

    Yes please.

  28. >Go to the shops you lazy git.

    I do not live in the UK PLS SCAN

  29. G&T Admin

    I have the paper, but no scanner. The missus is trying to take a photo on her phone…

  30. My initial horror at these pics is dying down now. My optimism’s returning. How exciting. Please upload the pic!

  31. G&T Admin

    Uploading now…

  32. Got to admit it, Craig still looks the part. He must have headed down the gym, because he looks a lot less chubby there than he does usually in Corrie.

    I’ll be more interested to see how Chris B and Danny JJ look in their costumes though!

  33. “Accessing now… No! It can’t be true… It can’t…”

    “The truth is in there – that’s what turned me into a ‘zoney.”

  34. Holy Christmas dammit.

    >The Cat bumping into himself in The Crouches?

    Yes please.

  35. > ?Accessing now? No! It can?t be true? It can?t??

    > ?The truth is in there – that?s what turned me into a ?zoney.?

    Win.

  36. Maybe the Cat finding himself in the Blade universe for some reason?

  37. How about Krtyen bumping into Bobby Llew waist-deep in sewage on “How Do They Do It?” ….or better yet….on the set of Red Dwarf USA…

  38. How about peeping through Norman Lovett’s front window to find him wanking and crying?

  39. Christ.

    Ian and I spent about an hour on Saturday talking about the return of ‘our show’. By the end of that conversation I was more excited about the return than I had ever been. Seeing Starbug… Carbug whatever. Craig… no not Craig. LISTER! LISTER AND KRYTEN! God I think I’m going to faint.

  40. G&T Admin

    Random thoughts keep occurring and making me smirk. The latest: RED DWARF DID SOME FILMING IN MANCHESTER FOR THE FIRST TIME IN 20 YEARS.

  41. > Red Dwarf is, first and foremost, a comedy show.

    Even Series 7?

    > It?s never been particularly madcap or zany.

    Even Series 8?

  42. May I join in:

    OMG, IT’S RIMMER.

    (You were right, I am getting excited, like, RIGHT NOW.)

  43. Bet they give away Carbug for an upcoming competition.

  44. maybe they sell it off for charity

  45. Maybe it’s just the rather terrible “Chris Barrie’s NostrilVision” angle, but in that picture, save his not having a moustache, Chris really does seem to look a lot like Rimmer’s evil old-fart self from “Out of Time”. I think it’s the hair.

    Not to be too much of a Norman Lovett; I’m just saying. I hope we see a better picture of Chris in costume soon.

  46. cliff is confused and worried…

    I recall Doctor who doing a similar thing in the 80’s on the set of Eastenders and if memory serves it was a disaster.
    I’m not sure combining 2 seperate fictional programmes will work and could look tacky.

    I hope that this time they get it right.

  47. >I recall Doctor who doing a similar thing in the 80?s on the set of Eastenders and if memory serves it was a disaster.

    Er, no. Doctor Who was involved in a Children in Need charity special in 1993. This is clearly entirely different. You know when I said above about people not mentioning Dimensions in Time? This was what I meant.

    Red Dwarf is a sitcom. SITTTTT…COMMMMMM-M-M-M. If this is funny, I don’t care if it’s self-referential, postmodern, metafictional… whatever.

  48. We’ll just have to see won’t we…

  49. > SITTTTT?COMMMMMM-M-M-M

    “Sit-com” is never a threat, no matter how many “MMMM’S” you put on the end of it.

  50. I think the issue here might be that in most ‘sit-coms’, the ‘sit’ part usually remains the same for most of/the entire run of the show.

    The sit(uation) for Dwarf has always been predominantly Dwarf/Bug-based – i.e. they start on-board ship, and then visit other places only to end up back where they started. Therefore, BtE might just turn out to be one of those eps that ‘happens’ to feature a new location, as opposed to Jumping The Shark, etc…

  51. Carbug is probably the silliest, daftest but easily the best thing ever. Ever. The design of it is excellent.

    Purely from seeing that, I’m excited. I don’t care if it’s some Coronation Street cross over, if we find Kryten playing with machines on a scrap heap…

    So – do they lose Lister, find an old TV and turn it on? (“Let’s track the source of the signals sir”) Did they make it back to Earth after Only the Good and then lose themselves for several years a la BTL – the novel? Who knows, but it looks like it’s going to be a bit silly, and hopefully very funny.

  52. So wait, the crew get attacked and are thrown to earth (from TOS) and it leads to this? It could be a ‘Back to Reality’ or ‘Gunmen of the Apocolypse’ type thing, I hope it is atleast.
    I love StarBug, my favourite Dwarf ship, I fucking hate the Carbug.

  53. Kryten looks great though as does Lister, looks like they never left, Rimmer on the other hand, hmm, I thing the baldness really ages Chris.

  54. well not sure what to say really .. just hoping that its ony taking up a small part of the specials

  55. I’ve swung wildly between excitement and trepidation so many times this morning that I think my balls are now on backwards.

    I dunno. It could be a clever concept, but only if it’s written really REALLY well….. I want to reserve judgment but….well…..how likely is it?

    I am mildly interested by how my love for Dwarf transcends all logic, though. Even if it’s utter arse-clenching shit I’ll still be buying the DVD.

  56. I just can’t believe they were filming Red Dwarf less than 5 miles from my house and I wasnt there.

  57. Wish you’d put a spoiler warning on that link earlier.

  58. just read this on bobbys twitter regarding the news
    “What ever you think, it’s not what you think. Real shame they got the pic though “

  59. > I love StarBug, my favourite Dwarf ship, I fucking hate the Carbug.

    I feel vindicated.

    *Pinch me*

  60. Right someone on the TORDFC forums has just suggested something. Could this be part of part of some comic relief based skit? As opposed to being part of the episodes?

  61. >Could this be part of part of some comic relief based skit?

    now thats a thought

  62. Hopefully. If it is it will be great to raise awareness for the new shows.

  63. I disagree with what some people are saying about Chris/Rimmer – yes he looks older, that’s because he is. However I don’t think that he looks like his ‘Out of Time’ older self at all! I know it’s not the best photo but you can clearly see that he’s not bald! He’s just tilting his head back to peer over someone.

    Also how can anyone possibly hate Carbug, it’s absolutely gorgeous! I want one!
    Whether the storyline is great or terrible, we’re not going to know until the episode airs, I have to say that I was a bit concerned when I first saw the reports this morning. But the more I look at the pics the less I care, Red Dwarf is going to be back on our screens and I have faith in Doug and the rest of the team. Also if the detail that’s gone into Carbug is anything to go by then we’re all in for a brilliant treat :o)I can’t wait!

  64. Hmmm, I’ve mentioned Red Nose Day twice now..It makes sense.
    It could also tie in with Roberts ‘twitter’ comments..

  65. Er, no. Doctor Who was involved in a Children in Need charity special in 1993. This is clearly entirely different. You know when I said above about people not mentioning Dimensions in Time? This was what I meant.

    Oh so that Doctor Who episode was a ‘Comic Relief’ episode was it….I REST MY CASE!.
    I’m as excited as anyone to see Dwarf back on our screens but not at the expense of attempting something that will fall flat on it’s butt.

  66. i just hope some of these episodes are set in a propper starbug or dwarf which im sure they will .. this was after all just 1 days filming

  67. On seeing this news I guess I’m… ambivalent. (Cue funny faces, dog chewing a toffee, etc.)

    The idea of a cross-over… I’m not over keen. On the other hand, as others have said, if it’s well written, it could work out very well. If it’s an in-universe time-travel adventure (as opposed to just slapping stuff together: Kryten turns up in the Rovers “You look liker Mr Lister…) maybe. If it’s a total immersion video thing, that could work too (although I hope it isn’t.That’s been done to death, but if it’s just a quick gag, like the film noir sequence in “Gunmen..”, or the knight/Camelot scene in “Stoke me…” that could be a laugh.

    One thing I wondered about was, maybe, if it’s a time-travel thing, the cabbie guy could be an ancestor of Lister. Then I remembered Lister is his own ancestor… meaning it must be down the female (Kochanski) side of the family….

    Car-bug. How is it that something can be kinda rubbish yet brilliant at the same time?

    I was very worried, but I’m warming to it now.

    just read this on bobbys twitter regarding the news
    ?What ever you think, it?s not what you think. Real shame they got the pic though.

    This gives me hope. ^^^^^

  68. I am very generally fond of crossovers.

  69. i think the idea of a crossover is funny and could work well .. as long as it didnt take up to much of the specials time …and carbug is very intriguing

  70. >I have to say that I was a bit concerned when I first saw the reports this morning. But the more I look at the pics the less I care, Red Dwarf is going to be back on our screens and I have faith in Doug and the rest of the team.

    My feelings match every word of this.

  71. 13th March-Red Nose Day-Comic Relief..The Soaps normally get involved..

    Thought #2, it could be part of the ‘special’ special rather than the ‘episode’ special…

  72. Could this actually be part of the ‘Making Of’ special? A sort of extra skit they filmed where, in a jokey way, Kryten is stealing Craig away from Corrie to film the new Dwarf.

    It sounds a bit stupid, but the more i think about it, the more that it makes sense that they’d do something like this for the ‘Making Of’. Purely because they’ve announced this ‘Making of’ as part of the 4 specials, and if it’s just a normal behind-the-scenes Doctor Who Confidential type show, then is it really worth headlining it like they have? I’m hoping it’s going to have some behind-the-scenes stuff, but also have some funny new stuff in it like this.

  73. Yeah Red Dwarf back rocks but that doesn’t mean i want it written on a dog turd!..

    and as for ‘Carbug’, what bright spark decided to use a bloody Smart Car, it’s like a bloody shoe with wheels!…

  74. They should have used an old beetle!….

  75. Could this actually be part of the ?Making Of? special? A sort of extra skit they filmed where, in a jokey way, Kryten is stealing Craig away from Corrie to film the new Dwarf.

    It sounds a bit stupid, but the more i think about it, the more that it makes sense that they?d do something like this for the ?Making Of?. Purely because they?ve announced this ?Making of? as part of the 4 specials, and if it?s just a normal behind-the-scenes Doctor Who Confidential type show, then is it really worth headlining it like they have? I?m hoping it?s going to have some behind-the-scenes stuff, but also have some funny new stuff in it like this.

    I hope your right, and that does make allot of sense..

  76. Yeah Red Dwarf back rocks but that doesn?t mean i want it written on a dog turd!..

  77. I really hope this IS part of the main episodes! Surely they wouldn’t make that brilliant ‘Carbug’ just for a pisstake/Comic Relief thing. Unless it’s part of the main eps and they’re also using it for a pisstake. What are the chances of them being involved with Comic Relief, what with the BBC turning Dwarf down. OK it’s Comic Relief which, to an extent, can feature stuff from other channels, but still…

    It would be funny if Corrie only let Craig do the specials as long as the Street is featured in some way!

    Maybe it is a slight shame that these photos leaked, but on the other hand it’s getting Dwarf in the news again! I love how the papers are getting most of their facts right about Dwarf and the new specials as well.

    In other news, RIMMER HAS A MOTHERFRAKKING ‘H’!! KRYTEN HAS THE CIRCA VII/VIII HEAD AND A SHINY NEW SUIT!! THE CHARLES LOOKS JUST THE SAME AS TEN YEARS AGO!! Danny isn’t in the shots but he WAS involved on Saturday, as Bobby mentioned he arrived early.

    Actually, looking at Kryten’s head again it’s more like a cross between the VII/VIII look and earlier looks. At least he looks like Kryten!

  78. The more I look at these pictures, the more I worry (is that the word?) that VII and VIII have been retconned out of continuity.

  79. >the more I worry (is that the word?)

    No, my friend. That is not the word.

  80. > The more I look at these pictures, the more I worry (is that the word?) that VII and VIII have been retconned out of continuity.

    Nah. It’s only certain fans that want that. Doug’s hardly gonna dismiss two series’ that he wrote and worked hard on. Besides, it’s already been mentioned that this is ten years on from when we last saw them. I think if it was from VI they would say fifteen years, in terms of continuity.

  81. I’m okay with this. It could be a really funny sequence. I do hope though that they get back to Earth, go their separate ways and Lister becomes an actor on Coronation Street. Pretty much like the Better and the Life section of Infinity Welcomes Drivers, except maybe real. Or maybe not.

  82. G&T Admin

    After some sleep I’m still in this state of delirious excitement at everything that’s happening, and paralysing terror. Carbug is beautiful and wonderfully designed, but I worry that it (and indeed the whole suggested meta storyline) has any hope of working in a Dwarf episodes.

    Obviously this is all gut reaction as there’s no way of knowing how this’ll be. I think we can all agree that seeing 3 out of 4 of the cast in costume is BRILLIANT, though.

  83. Don’t think it’s a Comic Relief skit

    Quoth the Craig Charles: ?[Back To Earth] sees me playing quite a few characters, some of them I?ve already played on television?.

    This is surely what he was referring to?

  84. OMFG Holo!Rimmer!!!
    Deep, deep joy.

    >Does that mean we could also look forward to him bumping into his Robot Wars alter-ego?or sitting in a recording booth narrating Takeshi?s Castle?
    >Maybe we?ll see similar things for other characters. The Cat bumping into himself in The Crouches? Rimmer bumping into Gordon Brittas?

    I love it! – but I don’t think this is it.
    Although it does fit with Craig talking about other characters he’s played ‘on TV’…. note: not ‘on RD’.

  85. Well I’d prefer Lloyd to Captain Butler. (was that his name?) :/

    Anyway:

    a) Love carbug. Whatever it’s for, just love it to itty bitty BITS.
    b) Whoever referenced the Who BB show, I agree, meta can work very well indeed and if bobbyllew says it’s funny I’m inclined to believe him.
    c) Andrew must be an exceptionally coldhearted bastard to keep this from us. ;)

  86. Why are some people getting bent out of shape over this? It could be a little sketch for Comic Relief or the ‘Making Of’, or it could be a part of the main episodes… but even if it is, who’s to say its nothing more than a very funny spoof scene lasting all of a couple of minutes before its back to the usual?

  87. G&T Admin

    Where’s that bike pic from? I’m assuming it’s just a fan’s bike, but just in case…

  88. Because getting bent out of shape is part of the excersise. We are in phase three of fan arousal cycle. Phase one is resting/minor complaining. Second is responding to stimulus(news)/speculation, more complaining. Third is high arousal/agressive speculation/delusion/frenzied moaning about everything.

  89. You know I hate say it but I like Carbug, it’s growing on me. I wonder if long term Corgi will release a model, may be a double pack with Starbug. on the other hand I don’t like what they have done to Kryten’s suit, why alter the design now after all these years? I know it’s been tweaked through the series, but the main look has remained the same, don’t liek those ‘lapels’ either side of his chest plates.

  90. >Third is high arousal/agressive speculation/delusion/frenzied moaning about everything.

    And fourth?

  91. > why alter the design now after all these years?

    I see no harm in them trying things to make the suit look better. I’m not a fan of the VII/VIII suit so I like that it’s gonna look at least a little different.

  92. G&T Admin

    From that picture it doesn’t look like they’ve made *huge* changes. Certainly nothing more drastic that what we saw from one series to another in the past.

  93. Considering it has been ten years this should be the biggest change for Kryten.

  94. >And fourth?

    Well, Fangasm, or Utter Disappointment, obviously.

  95. Cappsy, there’s a chunk of Kryten’s neck smeared onto the car door in your mocked-up picture. Sort it out! :-)

    Oh, hello. My, it’s busy today. What’s going on?

  96. I’m keeping an open mind, but I quite like the look of Carbug

  97. Theres a better Rimmer pic in the Daily Star! Shall I scan It In?

    SPOILER: He’s got a blue top on, the collar looks like the material from his series 6 costume, but the top doesnt!

  98. >Theres a better Rimmer pic in the Daily Star! Shall I scan It In?

    Yes please.

  99. The H looks blue. Old school padded blue Rimmer costume then?

  100. G&T Admin

    Scan like you’ve never scanned before!

  101. Oh… lol posted that before reading thomasevans most recent posts.

  102. Oh… lol posted that before reading thomasevans most recent posts.

  103. Oh… lol posted that before reading thomasevans most recent posts.

  104. Hang a banger peeps, gotta use the computer next door. MORE RED DWARF on its way! Stay tuned :D

  105. >Cappsy, there?s a chunk of Kryten?s neck smeared onto the car door in your mocked-up picture. Sort it out! :-)

    And a bit just above the door.

  106. A blue version of Capt. Emerald, perhaps?

  107. This scan is pretty doggy, so I’ll try and get a better one on the way. For now though, here’s Rimmer the Hologram Back to reality! Back in the Red! Back to Earth! Back in Blue!

    EDIT: Smaller version with some colour correction

    red dwarf rimmer & lister

  108. Looks like they’ve gone for a hybrid Blue VI/Camille Rimmer costume…

    I was expecting a black/purple vibe, myself.

    Photobucket

  109. G&T Admin

    Excellent. Thanks, Thomas!

  110. :D Daily Star has tits and Dwarf. AND Its snowing. What a day!

  111. Chris’s costume looks great IMO, from what we can see. I never actually minded blue it was just the stupid padded bollocks I didn’t get on with, both red and blue. It never suited the character!! The Captain Emerald-style costume is perfect for the stuck-up bastard-like Rimmer we know and love.

    Btw does anyone else get goosebumps seeing the pic with both Rimmer and Lister in it? Then you look to the right and it’s Steve McDonald!! Things don’t get much better than that.

  112. G&T Admin

    Craig really fucking looks the part. He’s absolutely right about him not ageing over the last ten years. Not that ageing even matters.

  113. rimmer in the blue was always my favourate .. the padding no so if its the blue without the padding perfect .. and i think its going to be old rimmer but hey thats just me guessing

  114. Looks like Chris has been growing his hair out a bit so he can do the classic Rimmer side parting.

  115. And the H is the Series 6 clashed with series 3. Looks holographic, but in Times New Roman type font.

  116. It does look like a blue Captain Emerald, doesn’t it?

  117. G&T Admin

    I love how all of these shots are of the cast reacting to the paparazzi in some way. I love Chris’s frown.

  118. G&T Admin

    > Cappsy, there?s a chunk of Kryten?s neck smeared onto the car door in your mocked-up picture. Sort it out! :-)

    Whoops! I didn’t spot that this morning in my sleep deprived, massively perplexed state. Can’t be arsed changing it now, though :P

  119. The collar seems completely unnatural to the rest of the top.

    Only two months to go now…..

    Thing is, with the media going whole hog in reporting all this Red Dwarf news now, do you think they will burn out on the topic and come April, it won’t be “new” news anymore and will barely get a mention at the most important time of all… when it’s actually airing?

  120. Yeah, I think they may have used a padded Series VI collar on top of a Capt. Emerald-style uniform.

  121. i have spent all day thinking ? how the hell can ed dwarf and coronation street come together hows thats going to work ? and so on ..mos probably be a dream or virtual reality thing

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metafiction

    … still gets my vote. Especially since, as I mentioned in the article above, Dwarf has past form in the fourth-wall-breaking department. Not in the regular series, no, but in specials. Remind me how this two-parter is being described again?

    EDIT : Great, now it looks like I came back from the future to reply to you.

    QUICK NOTE TO PEOPLE WHO DON’T KNOW THIS : IF YOU EDIT YOUR POST IT MOVES IT TO THE BOTTOM OF THE PAGE. YES, IT’S A BUG, BUT THERE’S NOTHING WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW. We don’t want to take away the ability to edit posts where necessary, but if people could please stick to the protocol of not making your posts move if someone’s replied to them, that would be superlative.

  122. G&T Admin

    > The collar seems completely unnatural to the rest of the top.

    That stuff never springs back.

  123. Fucking A… new Red Dwarf… unbe-smeggin’-lievable.

    Sorry, just now and again it hits me.

    And seeing all the cast (but Danny) in full costume…

    Yes!

  124. I definitely hope they don’t go down the AR route again, it’s been done enough on Red Dwarf, reached its peak with Back to Reality (or Gunmen depending on what you prefer) and bottomed out with Back in the Red (not that I hated BITR, just that by that point it just felt so ‘done’.)

  125. G&T Admin

    though.. hasat that beee done enough ..

    Are you Pam Doove?

  126. G&T Admin

    I like the idea that it’s an alternative Universe in which Dave Lister got a job in Coronation Street and Rimmer… I dunno, Rimmer’s Prime Minister or something.

  127. i have spent all day thinking ” how the hell can ed dwarf and coronation street come together hows thats going to work ” and so on ..mos probably be a dream or virtual reality thing .. though.. hasant that been done enough ..

  128. G&T Admin

    I love the way he’s edited it and still fucked it up.

  129. Hey, I edited my post but it didn’t move. Now I look even stupider.

  130. Have you seen the Dave blog thing on the right hand side of TOS? Dont remember seeing that friday! Easy way to keep updated on both sites.

  131. G&T Admin

    > Hey, I edited my post but it didn?t move. Now I look even stupider.

    Yeah, the editing bug doesn’t affect admins, because we are genetically superior.

  132. >The collar seems completely unnatural to the rest of the top.

    The rest of the top is a bluescreen. They’re going to CGI the costume in post production. ;)

    >it won?t be ?new? news anymore and will barely get a mention at the most important time of all?

    See: LOST.

    >I dunno, Rimmer?s Prime Minister or something.

    Yes.

  133. G&T Admin

    Have you seen the Dave blog thing on the right hand side of TOS? Dont remember seeing that friday! Easy way to keep updated on both sites.

    Nice touch.

    Also, they should clearly have titled the Lister pic as “Guess Whose Back”.

  134. G&T Admin

    I dunno, Rimmer?s Prime Minister or something.

    The pre-credits sequence will end with Lister running out of Carbug, spinning around in a busy London street and shouting “the Smegger’s the Prime Minister of Great Britain!”

  135. as much as i’m lovin these photos, it’s really sad to see Chris looking so glum in these photos. hopefully we’ll soon have some nice photos of the crew smiling instead of frowning for the camera!

  136. Has anyone seen/uploaded the uncropped version of Kryten in today’s Sun? You can see a better view of his new chest monitor.

  137. >Dwarf has past form in the fourth-wall-breaking department. Not in the regular series, no

    Last week on Red Dwarf, something terrible happened to Mr Lister’s arm! Watch this!

  138. G&T Admin

    > Has anyone seen/uploaded the uncropped version of Kryten in today?s Sun? You can see a better view of his new chest monitor.

    Kryten has Down's Syndrome

    It doesn’t even look like a monitor any more. Maybe he now projects holograms instead?

    Looks cracking, though. As has been said before, the show certainly doesn’t seem to have lost its extraordinary production values.

  139. >Last week on Red Dwarf, something terrible happened to Mr Lister?s arm! Watch this!

    Alright, smartarse. Wait for the article for my reply to this.

  140. >instead of frowning for the camera!

    Bobby says: but some of the surprise has gone. Such a shame. We cacked ourselves when we saw it.

    aw, poor guys.

  141. >Alright, smartarse. Wait for the article for my reply to this.

    One of my favorite things about production starting is that G+T is positively swarming with discussion and, presumably as the days go on, new content. The discussion and debates are exciting enough for me.

  142. >Bobby says: but some of the surprise has gone. Such a shame. We cacked ourselves when we saw it.

    But they should also be pleased that there’s so much interest in RD after all these years. Surely a good sign.

  143. Just thought – what a shame they missed the snow for the shooting…

    Difficult to work in, sure, but still would’ve looked great… ‘Bedford Falls’.

  144. Exactly hummingbird, and it never did Dr Who any harm.

  145. > STEVE, LOOK OUT FOR THE ENGINES.

    So, THAT’S what they look like(!)

    Photobucket

  146. G&T Admin

    I can’t believe Steve McDonald is in Red Dwarf. Steve McDonald.

  147. G&T Admin

    It’s a shame Emerdale don;t fancy killing off half their characters again, as there could’ve been a killer cross-over involving Starbug tractor crashing into the Woolpack.

  148. It’s still puzzling me why Dave didn’t purchase the gold Kryten suit that was on eBay awhile back and just repaint black, Bobby surely hasn’t gained that much weight since series VIII. the chest monitor is looking more and more like a hubcap of a classic car, what with the thicker black outline.

  149. personally I was hoping for Mac McDonald, but then again beggars can’t be choosers!

  150. G&T Admin

    > It?s still puzzling me why Dave didn?t purchase the gold Kryten suit that was on eBay awhile back and just repaint black, Bobby surely hasn?t gained that much weight since series VIII. the chest monitor is looking more and more like a hubcap of a classic car, what with the thicker black outline.

    It’s puzzling to you why a production isn’t buying back an 11 year old costume from eBay? Are you also puzzled why they didn’t make Rimmer’s ‘H’ out of recycled paper and Lister’s jacket out of an old towel?

  151. I’m puzzled why they didn’t buy Cat’s original pink suit on ebay.

    You know. Just to have.

  152. G&T Admin

    > I?m puzzled why they didn?t buy Cat?s original pink suit on ebay.

    I’m currently bidding on a pair of your decade old underpants. I could just buy my own new ones but this way is sexier.

  153. >I?m puzzled why they didn?t buy Cat?s original pink suit on ebay.

    >You know. Just to have.

    LOL! I heart Phil!

    >I can?t believe Steve McDonald is in Red Dwarf. Steve McDonald.

    Ah me and Steve go way back! :oP

  154. G&T Admin

    Steve McDonald to be the new Holly? He has the polo neck already.

  155. Holly or no Holly, they dropped Norman and got Steve McDonald.

    Ha ha ha.

    Ha ha.

  156. Ooh, what a heartthrob. With the cardboard hearts to prove it.

  157. Jo, that is my new favourite picture ever.

  158. His head is a very strange shape.

    Just sayin’

  159. You’re bloody obsessed with bloody Matt bloody Smith, you bloody are.

  160. >Ah me and Steve go way back! :oP

    …and the glowing red eyes. So the seeds of evil were apparent back in those tender days…

    (I’m just kidding.)

  161. OMG! Rimmer!! With an H!!! *thud*

    I don’t know why, but I imagined Chris Barrie probably would keep his present haircut, not bothering to grow it back out. It seems it would be kind of hard nowadays considering how much it’s thinned. At least it won’t poke up funny in the back now! HA! He doesn’t look real pleased that the pap stole some shots, does he?

    I have mixed feelings about the crossover thing. I’ve never watched Coronation Street, but that’s beside the point. Judging from the disasters that have happened on US television, a crossover anywhere is a really bad idea if not done right. Horror, embarrassment, and morbid fascination are the three things that come to mind. You love a show so much, you’ll sit and watch it anyway, although you know it’s a total and complete train wreck. I’m hoping that doesn’t happen in this case.

  162. Crossover? I think Its highly unlikley that the Red Dwarf crew will exist in the Corrie-Universe. Get me? Whatever this is, it’s not a crossover. This is like mentioned before, more of the Dimensions in Time type thing.

  163. Crossover? I think Its highly unlikley that the Red Dwarf crew will exist in the Corrie-Universe. Get me? Whatever this is, it’s not a crossover. This is like mentioned before, more of the Dimensions in Time type thing.

  164. It is a strange day when you awake to find that your world has clashed with that of
    the wife…

    Whatever next, Match Of The Day meets Eastenders, or better still, 1970’s French Porn on Emmerdale…

    I’ve always said, we dont watch enough stuff together…

  165. Has anyone tried looking at some of the paparazzi sites to see if there are any more pictures shot? They might be small and watermarked but it’d be something at least?

  166. G&T Admin

    Ooh, good point! I found one more on Rex Features’ site:

    Also, here’s a slightly longer version of the Kryten/Rimmer picture with a better look at the suit:

  167. Crossover? I think Its highly unlikley that the Red Dwarf crew will exist in the Corrie-Universe. Get me? Whatever this is, it?s not a crossover. This is like mentioned before, more of the Dimensions in Time type thing.

    But Dimensions in Time WAS a crossover. Just not an in-canon one. So if this was like Dimensions in Time, it would be an actual crossover between the two shows’ continuities.

    It’s interesting the way people are split on this. Some people reckon it’s an “in-universe” Corrie crossover (i.e. that Simon Gregson is actually playing Steve McDonald and not Simon Gregson). Only a few are veering towards the idea that within the specials, “Corrie” is a TV show that Craig Charles (or perhaps Lister? Maybe Lister gets a job as an actor in the years after they get home, and gets all of the jobs that Craig Charles has in “our” world?) appears in. I have to say, I’m inclined to agree with p2p :

    Seems like Red Dwarf: Back to Earth has just become Galaxy Quest: UK.

    Maybe it’s because I’m “into” meta- stuff a bit more, but that just seemed like the natural conclusion to draw from those pictures – especially the car.

    I mean, how likely is it that GNP/Dave have actually got the rights to the Coronation Street setting and characters? Not so much, I’d say. But filming on the Coronation Street set and using it, in the show, as the Coronation Street set? More likely, surely?

  168. In terms of plot, the Carbug has potential to be very comical… imagine the crew trying to sit in their 4 seats and operate it like Starbug, Kryten in the backseat offering coordinates thinking that oncoming traffic are about to attack the ‘ship’!

    For all we know, they have the Carbug because the crew start to feel homesick or something haha.

    In terms of the whole Corrie thing I don’t know, because it’s almost like Red Dwarf is making out that Corrie is real? Or at least that’s how it’s coming across, if Charles is to be Lloyd in it aswell.

    But other then that, is COULD have good potential. I don’t know, we’ll have to wait and see I guess!

  169. “The nanobots have turned Starbug into a car, sir!”

  170. >?The nanobots have turned Starbug into a car, sir!?

    Actually, nanobots would be a surprisingly useful explanation…

  171. ?The nanobots have turned Holly into Steve McDonald, sir!?

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    Going back to my original FREAK OUT at the start of this thread for a minute, I still think “ex-boss” is a really strange way to refer to the Lister/Kryten relationship. It took me a while to realise what they were talking about, especially as the context behind all this was then, and still is, not entirely clear.

    What an odd day.

  173. Shame they didn’t give Steve and Rimmer more hair by looks of it!

  174. I hope the cast and crew aren’t going to be too vocal against the tabloids because of this intrusion… it may have spoiled the story a little but all publicity is good publicity. A negative reaction towards the press may be reciprocated with, y’know, no publicity at all.

  175. I would imagine the rest of the crew have lost Lister somehow, get to Earth hoping to find him, tune into Coronation Street and see Lloyd Mullaney, think its Lister, go to the set to find him and it turns out it isn’t Lister at all… it’s Lloyd Mullaney.

    He’s not me. I’M me. He’s HIM.

    Then Lister arrives, says a few words to Lloyd Mullaney, and off they drive in the Carbug to have an amazing two-part adventure on Earth.

  176. Good point about having the rights to use Coronation Street and Steve McDonald in the show. This will be sold by GNP/Dave to air internationally, and also released on DVD.

    I doubt any references will be made to the show Coronation Street, nor the full character names, unless Granada/ITV have given full permission to not only use their intellectual property for the show, but also for all future uses of the footage. And just look at the Only Fools and Horses 2001 special as proof of how ITV can backtrack on allowing their shows to feature on other networks when it comes to the future use of the footage.

    Of course, perhaps the scenes will have no significant relevance to the story and be cut from any future releases which will no doubt severely piss off all the completists (the ones who moaned about competitions being removed from conversions of 15 year old videos onto DVD).

  177. This is all confusing. This is what I mean.

    Im not saying Red Dwarf will acknowledge that Corrie is a tv show, Im saying Corrie wont acknowledge the EXISTENCE of Red Dwarf it ITS show. I think Simon is playing Steve in this definatley. I just mean there isnt going to be an hour long Corrie special in which a worm hole appears above Weatherfield, and Starbug lands outside the Rovers.

  178. Im saying Corrie wont acknowledge the EXISTENCE of Red Dwarf it ITS show. I think Simon is playing Steve in this definatley. I just mean there isnt going to be an hour long Corrie special in which a worm hole appears above Weatherfield, and Starbug lands outside the Rovers.

    Er, I don’t think anyone was suggesting this!

  179. Rob Llewellyn’s twitter post (provided by SoundableObject above
    beat me, ha!) states it isn’t a cross-over, although it seems something homagey in nature is going on considering the street, characters,etc.

    Going back to my original FREAK OUT at the start of this thread for a minute, I still think ?ex-boss? is a really strange way to refer to the Lister/Kryten relationship.

    From Lister’s point of view I’d agree. However, throughout the series Kryten refers to him as “Mr Lister” and “sir” and generally acts in quite a servile way scrubbing his Long Johns, etc. It evens up in later series with some cheekiness and practical jokery (like the Baxter’s Hooch/cell inspection gag) but never quite get’s over his original function, does he? They’re more mates than master/servant but there is still a sense of that. (Although ‘boss’ is an odd word.) The article is wrong, but I can see where they got that idea.

  180. Also bear in mind… from what we’ve seen anyway… Didnt look like Cat was there. MABEY Is is just an advert!

    BTW when you said crossover, I find that implies both ways. One universe acknowledging the other, like Crossroads and Brookside did.

  181. Well, Lister was the highest ranking person on the ship (a living human outranking a hologram according to Kryten) so technically, Lister was the boss.

  182. >Well, Lister was the highest ranking person on the ship (a living human outranking a hologram according to Kryten) so technically, Lister was the boss.

    There’s that too. Technically Rimmer outranks Lister, being a grade 2 technician over grade 3, but in Kryten’s mind (judging from White Hole) that would be true.

  183. >BTW when you said crossover, I find that implies both ways. One universe acknowledging the other, like Crossroads and Brookside did.

    Mmmmmm, generally in fiction, though, “crossover” just means elements of one fiction making appearance in another. Jay Sherman appearing in The Simpsons is a crossover – it doesn’t mean the Simpsons had to appear in The Critic.

  184. Common sense dictates that Red Dwarf will not be making an appearance in the TV show Coronation Street, and if it did there would be a lot more uproar than Corrie making an appearance in Red Dwarf.

  185. I get the feeling that if all this Corrie stuff is actually a part of the real episodes, then it will be a fleeting joke (probably now spoiled) and that Coronation Street will be a television series in the Red Dwarf world, not a real place where Lister now lives.

  186. I can imagine Kryten explaining to the rest of the crew what Coronation Street is. ‘A long-running serial drama set in the fictional town of Salford, featuring such bizarre characters as “Dot Cotton”, “Ena Sharples” and “Mac McDonald”. Suggest file under ‘lowest common denominator’ until we know more.

  187. >There?s that too. Technically Rimmer outranks Lister, being a grade 2 technician over grade 3, but in Kryten?s mind (judging from White Hole) that would be true

    True, but Lister was anti-establishment. Still a JournalismFail in my opinion. ;)

    >Suggest file under ?lowest common denominator? until we know more.

    Gosh, i would almost put money on that.

  188. Yeah, they’re gonna bite the hand that’s currently feeding them… why don’t they follow that up with a scene where the crew all describe Coronation Street as “shit” whilst Lister takes a dump on a copy of Inside Soap?

  189. Yes, Carl, that’s exactly what I meant. Anyway that is still the correct use of inside soap.

  190. All they have to do is have scrolling text saying “we’re doing it for the lulz”, all will be forgiven.

  191. >Yes, Carl, that?s exactly what I meant.

    Made me laugh, anyway.

  192. >Didnt look like Cat was there.

    This is the one thing that seems very odd. Hard to believe that they didn’t get a shot of Danny. Makes me think that we may all be barking up the wrong tree.

  193. >The Cat bumping into himself in The Crouches?

    Or maybe meeting some angry bin men

  194. >Didnt look like Cat was there.

    This is the one thing that seems very odd. Hard to believe that they didn?t get a shot of Danny. Makes me think that we may all be barking up the wrong tree.

    As Andrew said on the Webboard, “It’s almost as if they didn’t have access to the full set”.

    These were paparazzi photos taken from a distance at, it seems, one brief moment during filming. There are all sorts of reasons why they mightn’t have got a picture of Danny. He might not even be in this scene.

    >Suggest file under ?lowest common denominator? until we know more.

    Gosh, i would almost put money on that.

    Coronation Street is not “lowest common denominator”.

    This statement was brought to you by the “dispelling lazy ignorant assumptions” department, who also announced yesterday that canned laughter does not exist and that there are perfectly good reasons that a country of temperate climate would not base its entire infrastructure around coping with extreme weather conditions that only occur once every few years if at all.

  195. > Some people reckon it?s an ?in-universe? Corrie crossover (i.e. that Simon Gregson is actually playing Steve McDonald and not Simon Gregson).

    That would be shit.

    > Only a few are veering towards the idea that within the specials, ?Corrie? is a TV show that Craig Charles (or perhaps Lister? Maybe Lister gets a job as an actor in the years after they get home, and gets all of the jobs that Craig Charles has in ?our? world?) appears in.

    That would be BRILLIANT. Craig Charles IS Lister!

    > I would imagine the rest of the crew have lost Lister somehow, get to Earth hoping to find him, tune into Coronation Street and see Lloyd Mullaney, think its Lister, go to the set to find him and it turns out it isn?t Lister at all? it?s Lloyd Mullaney.

    That….could be shit.

  196. > canned laughter does not exist

    Are you entirely sure about that? I’m pretty sure that the live weekend lottery show doesn’t have a studio audience.

  197. Yes, the balance has to be right hence my earlier concerns..

    I’m sceptical but if it’s Red Dwarf you have to love it..it’s the law..

    It’s the same as having to aknowledge Colin Baker if your a Whovian..

    ..could have been worse i suppose, they could be filming in Albert Square!.

  198. Rimmer getting in to a fight with Nick Cotton and hiding under a table in the Vic!.

  199. Kryten gets a job in the laundrette..?

  200. Kryten’s Kabin

  201. > canned laughter does not exist

    Are you entirely sure about that? I?m pretty sure that the live weekend lottery show doesn?t have a studio audience.

    Well, you’re wrong, it does.

    For more on this, see Graham Linehan’s recent Twitter posts, but as has been gone over and over again, canned laughter does not exist outside of MASH and certain Hanna-Barbera cartoons. Yes, sometimes laughter gets edited together from different takes. Yes, sometimes laughter gets “sweetened”. But if you’re watching something on TV that has laughter on it, then either it was filmed in front of an audience, or it was filmed and edited and then SHOWN to an audience to get the laughter. The laughter is never cobbled together from some centralised resource – it’s always laughter that was drawn from watching the show in some form.

    Sadly, lazy journalists who should know better (Linehan’s ranting was kicked off by Sam “Twat” Wollaston in the Guardian using the phrase) use it as shorthand without ever bothering to know anything about what they’re talking about.

  202. (I should clarify – I don’t know for sure whether the CURRENT Lottery show has an audience, because I’ve never seen it. But I know that in the past it definitely has – see here, here and the fact that I once sat in the studio while a rehearsal’s been going on.)

  203. From Robert :

    “But it’s not about Lister on Corrie, it’s so not that.”

  204. >It?s the same as having to aknowledge Colin Baker if your a Whovian..
    Erm, well he is the best Doctor and that isn’t just my opinion, in BFA polls he is nearly always voted number 1.

  205. >It?s the same as having to aknowledge Colin Baker if your a Whovian..
    Erm, well he is the best Doctor and that isn?t just my opinion, in BFA polls he is nearly always voted number 1.

    You gotta be kiddin!,
    he was an arrogant git and still thinks he is the best doctor….hogwash!

  206. I met him at Memorabilia a few years ago and he wasn’t exactly happy to meet his fans, i wasn’t impressed.

  207. G&T Admin

    Colin Baker is clearly an excellent Doctor. Obviously, his political beliefs are a bit dodgy, but you can easily ignore that.

  208. >he was an arrogant git and still thinks he is the best doctor?.hogwash!
    You have never seen ‘Trials and Tribulations’ then? He is a big fan, a fine actor, great with other fans and after he was treated like shit by the BBC he still came back to do BFAs because it is not the fans fault. His Doctor had character development, something not seen since Hartnell, it was just a shame we missed so much of it in the Classic Series.
    He does not think he is the best Doctor, he thinks Troughton is the best Doctor, he has also said he likes Eccleston, your sources are wronger than the guy who said he had ‘The Tenth Planet’ episode 4.

  209. or ignore him?.

  210. Still think he’s a twat!.

  211. If acting arrogant and self important is fine acting then yes, he is a fine actor.

  212. When has he acted arrogant and self important?

  213. There is no such thing as a truly modest actor. If they were modest, they wouldn’t be actors.

    Sure, some play the humility card quite well (but hey, they’re actors), but you have to have a certain amount of natural confidence in yourself – arrogance, even – to be a performer of any kind.

  214. i don’t understand this mass Colin Baker appreciation society, he’s the most unlikeable Doctor of them all, am i missing something?, has he donated body parts to starving orphans?.

  215. >i don?t understand this mass Colin Baker appreciation society, he?s the most unlikeable Doctor of them all, am i missing something?, has he donated body parts to starving orphans?.
    Nope, you missed BFAs.

  216. When has he acted arrogant and self important?

    when i met him, and in every Who episode he was in…

  217. > (I should clarify – I don?t know for sure whether the CURRENT Lottery show has an audience, because I?ve never seen it. But I know that in the past it definitely has – see here, here and the fact that I once sat in the studio while a rehearsal?s been going on.)

    Oh yes…it used to. But the draw doesn’t any more. Also, the Quiz Call shows definitely use canned laughter and applause. But they don’t really count. For anything.

    It’s certainly hardly used any more, but 70s and 80s American sitcoms used laugh tracks all the time.

  218. >>When has he acted arrogant and self important?

    >when i met him, and in every Who episode he was in?

    Well I can’t answer for when you met him (bad day?) but in the Who episodes you can’t blame Colin for the scripts which make him arrogant though he is never self important.

  219. “In all my travelling throughout the universe I have battled against evil, against power mad conspirators. I should have stayed here. The oldest civilisation: decadent, degenerate, and rotten to the core. Power mad conspirators, Daleks, Sontarans… Cybermen, they’re still in the nursery compared to us. Ten million years of absolute power. That’s what it takes to be really corrupt”

  220. “Let’s see what this purple corridor has to offer!”

  221. > I like the idea that it?s an alternative Universe in which Dave Lister got a job in Coronation Street and Rimmer? I dunno, Rimmer?s Prime Minister or something.

    Surely Kryten? (Re: MIHigh, if they’re going that sort of route)

    > In terms of plot, the Carbug has potential to be very comical? imagine the crew trying to sit in their 4 seats and operate it like Starbug, Kryten in the backseat offering coordinates thinking that oncoming traffic are about to attack the ?ship?!

    That’s a Smart ForTwo that is. “ForTwo”, because only two people can fit in it.

  222. I would say that the current “game show” aspects of the Lottery have audiences, but the studio used for the actual draw itself is embarrasingly canned… same applause track used every 10 seconds!

    It’s the one programme on telly that actually manages to annoy me, and it’s cause of that supposed audience being so fake!

    Ahem… rant mode cancel…

  223. G&T Admin

    >when i met him, and in every Who episode he was in?

    Obviously I can’t comment on you meeting him, but you do know that actors play characters, don’t you?

  224. G&T Admin

    I heard John Simm is a bit of a bastard. When he was in Doctor Who, he killed the entire population of Japan.

  225. > Sure, some play the humility card quite well (but hey, they?re actors), but you have to have a certain amount of natural confidence in yourself – arrogance, even – to be a performer of any kind.

    I don’t agree with that. There’s a difference between confidence and arrogance. That’s quite a thick brush you use to paint with. All actors are arrogant. All actors that appear to be anything else are just acting.

    Confidence, yeah maybe. Arrogant – No.

  226. Okay, but the possible existence of fake applause on a lottery show doesn’t detract from my actual point, which was that people and TV reviewers who use the phrase “canned laughter” when talking about any sitcom made since 1980 are TALKING OUT OF THEIR ARSES.

  227. > Okay, but the possible existence of fake applause on a lottery show doesn?t detract from my actual point, which was that people and TV reviewers who use the phrase ?canned laughter? when talking about any sitcom made since 1980 are TALKING OUT OF THEIR ARSES.

    It’s canned laughter on the lottery too…and your point was that it doesn’t appear ANYWHERE on TV. But yes, other than that you’re right.

  228. >It?s canned laughter on the lottery too?

    Can you prove that, or are you guessing? Because I’d be interested to know where they get it from. And you’re stating that as if it’s fact rather than a supposition.

  229. My opinion is going with the charity skit. Or maybe a tongue-in-cheek pre-titles sequence type thing?

  230. > Can you prove that, or are you guessing? Because I?d be interested to know where they get it from. And you?re stating that as if it?s fact rather than a supposition.

    Unless an audience has been shown a pre-recorded live show, can fit into a studio the size of a show box or quite obviously laugh in one of 4 identical patterns, then I’d say it’s canned laughter.

    Try giving it a looksee.

  231. I believe the midweek lottery, at very least, used a faked audience response – for a quick draw it’s not worth the hassle of shipping a crowd in. I haven’t seen it in a long time, but I think it may still the case.

    Still, Seb’s basically right. It happens so rarely that it’s practically never. (Not forgetting that the lottery uses ‘canned applause’, a different thing, about which there IS no urban legend to match the insane prevalence of ‘canned laughter’.)

  232. And laughter, specifically as reaction to when the presented is interacting with the voice of the balls.

    But yes…as I said before, Seb is otherwise right. Outside of 80s American sitcoms, it don’t happen.

  233. Well I can?t answer for when you met him (bad day?) but in the Who episodes you can?t blame Colin for the scripts which make him arrogant though he is never self important.

    I felt he almost single-handedly destroyed the whole mystique of the Doctor. I just couldn’t enjoy his performance, they tried something new & it failed to win the audience.
    The Twin Dilemma, Colin Baker’s first story, was just wrong on so many levels, and the fact that it followed the excellent Caves of Androzani, and ended the season, did not at the time inspire confidence. Sadly, the scripts for the following season alienated many potential viewers with complicated continuity tie-ins and rather too much dwelling on pointless violence.
    The doctor should be someone likeable but still with an edge. Christopher Eccleston almost got there, but I think David Tennant has the balance perfectly. Jon Pertwee was pretty close as well.

    Contrary to popular belief, Colin Baker’s Doctor did not send ratings crashing through the floor. In fact, when you look at the ratings for Colin’s first full season (Season 22) you’ll find he consistently rated as popular as Davison’s Doctor.

  234. Cliff, just as a quick note (a “Cliff’s Note” if you will hahahahahahaohmygodsomeonekillme), if you’re quoting from someone else’s post in order to reply to it, it’d be useful if you could put little “>” symbols at the start of the quoted line. Or, even better, you could put it inbetween <blockquote> tags. Just makes it a bit easier to follow conversations rather than it looking like you’re arguing with yourself!

  235. apologies.

  236. Which shows you how nice he is, he given up his time for that kid as did Janet Fielding.

  237. >The Twin Dilemma, Colin Baker?s first story, was just wrong on so many levels, and the fact that it followed the excellent Caves of Androzani, and ended the season, did not at the time inspire confidence.

    I agree, a pile of shite is ‘The Twin Dilema’, the only stories that are worse are ‘Time and the Rani’, ‘Last of the Time Lords’ and ‘Doomsday’.

    >Sadly, the scripts for the following season alienated many potential viewers with complicated continuity tie-ins and rather too much dwelling on pointless violence.

    I agree though I look at them as advantages for me, long term fans are rewarded and violence takes the show into a darker more adult direction which I loved, much like the mid Tom Baker era though that all changed after Mary Whitehouse.

  238. Yeah i remember a scene at the end of a Tom Baker episode with him being drowned that got allot of complaints..think it was the ‘Deadly Assassin’?.

  239. G&T Admin

    Do SoundableObject and cliff know each other from some other forum?

  240. > I have to say, I?m inclined to agree with p2p : “Seems like Red Dwarf: Back to Earth has just become Galaxy Quest: UK.”

    Wasn’t Galaxy Quest originally planned to be an episode of Star Trek: TOS/P2? It was going to be: aliens come to Earth searching for Kirk and Spock, but mistakingly stumble upon The Shat and Nimoy, who then have to act their ST roles to save the day.

    I really enojoyed Galaxy Quest. A version with Kirk n’ Spock would’ve been great. A version with Listy and Rimmsy… we’ll just have to wait and see. If done ‘right’, the specials could potentionally be contenders for the all-time hall of fame.

    (…But of course, this could all just be an elaborate Dave trailer/Comic Relief skit, etc. in which case, I don’t really mind, either way.)

  241. yeah, i think the whole Red Dwarf thing has been done….what about Doctor Who?.

  242. Reasons why it’s a publicity stunt, #1:

    Tying it in with Coronation Street, a show virtually unknown outside the UK (Ok, it has a cult following in Canada) would kill the international sales both to TV and DVD.

    Ok, I’m reaching here. Sweet Zombie Jesus, please say it isn’t so. If not, may as well get filming the claymation sequence now, and render the unrealistic CGI dinosaur.

    I know, it’s too early to make judgements. But shit…I guess after 10 years I was hoping for a canonical piece of classic Dwarf. From these pics and details, it looks like we’re basically in for an extended Children In Need sketch.

  243. Tying it in with Coronation Street, a show virtually unknown outside the UK (Ok, it has a cult following in Canada) would kill the international sales both to TV and DVD.

    Ok, I?m reaching here. Sweet Zombie Jesus, please say it isn?t so. If not, may as well get filming the claymation sequence now, and render the unrealistic CGI dinosaur.

    I know, it?s too early to make judgements. But shit?I guess after 10 years I was hoping for a canonical piece of classic Dwarf. From these pics and details, it looks like we?re basically in for an extended Children In Need sketch.>

    This is why i am leaning towards a Corrie/Dwarf crossover being inclusive to the UK as part of the ‘behind the scenes’ special.

  244. I am confused.

    But deeply aroused at the pictures (not the Carbug one).

  245. I know, it?s too early to make judgements. But shit?I guess after 10 years I was hoping for a canonical piece of classic Dwarf. From these pics and details, it looks like we?re basically in for an extended Children In Need sketch.

    Good god, people. This was A SINGLE DAY’S FILMING for something that Robert has REPEATEDLY described as “not what you think”. Can we get some fucking perspective, please, and not turn into Outpost Gallifrey?

  246. G&T Admin

    Listen to this dude Seb, he knows what he’s talking about.

  247. (I should add that I’m not saying we should be relentlessly positive about stuff. If the specials are shit, then we’ll bloody well say so, and we won’t stop anyone else from doing the same. And I don’t want to place restrictions on what people can and can’t post here, so don’t take the above comment as a “G&T comment”. But come on – comments like “we’re basically in for an extended Children in Need sketch” when the details revealed so far suggest NOTHING OF THE SORT are just massively unhelpful)

  248. Good god, people. This was A SINGLE DAY?S FILMING for something that Robert has REPEATEDLY described as ?not what you think?. Can we get some fucking perspective, please, and not turn into Outpost Gallifrey?

    You’re in on it aren’t you?!?!? IT’S A CONSPIRACY!!!

  249. Oh, and if I’m wrong, and if it is nothing other than a stupid extended spoof, you can quote my words and I will apologise unreservedly. But not if it’s a brilliant extended spoof.

  250. >Listen to this dude Seb, he knows what he?s talking about.

    “Catch you later, John and Seb!”

  251. Shame about George Carlin passing away recently. He would’ve been essential for a B&T III.

  252. G&T Admin

    The only thing essential for B&T III is a big burning bin and gallons of petrol.

  253. >From Robert :
    ?But it?s not about Lister on Corrie, it?s so not that.?

    I have to hold on to the hope that it *is* something very different.
    It has to be.
    Please?

    I’m still squeeing like a fangirl over the ‘H’, tho.

  254. I’m still squeeing over the Kyten outfit, looks brilliant, he has got an upgrade!

  255. G&T Admin

    Yeah, the cast all look brilliant. Good old Howard B.

  256. >Yeah, the cast all look brilliant. Good old Howard B.

    I’ll agree with that. Though I’ll be particularly interested to see the first in-costume pics of Danny whenever they emerge.

  257. I nominate this thread for longest ever status.

  258. >The only thing essential for B&T III is a big burning bin and gallons of petrol

    You’re right; revivals never work.

  259. Incidentally, I was negative & pessimistic about this long before I saw these pictures.

    I view the return of classic Dwarf akin to England winning the World Cup. If I allow myself to, I can slip into a wonderful fantasy. Then I snap out of it and label the thing as highly improbable.

  260. I wonder if Carbug will be the main feature of Dave’s midday update tomorrow?

  261. > The only thing essential for B&T III is a big burning bin and gallons of petrol

    And Christian Bale. “Seriously, man, you and me we’re fuckin’ done, professionally… I want you off the fuckin’ set, prick!”

  262. I just heard all that. The best rant Ive heard in ages. Id have probably reacted the same tbh.

  263. But if you?re watching something on TV that has laughter on it, then either it was filmed in front of an audience, or it was filmed and edited and then SHOWN to an audience to get the laughter.

    Wipeout (the Daytime Quiz Show) when Bob Monkhouse presented it didn’t have an audience, but one appeared at the beginning of every show. I don’t know if it had a laugh track or not.

    I believe the midweek lottery, at very least, used a faked audience response – for a quick draw it?s not worth the hassle of shipping a crowd in. I haven?t seen it in a long time, but I think it may still the case.

    Andrew – it’s more than that! For a long while, the midweek draw links were recorded on the Saturday night and just played in on Wednesday with Deadly talking over the top and live shots of the draw!

    Quite clever really!

  264. >I just heard all that. The best rant Ive heard in ages. Id have probably reacted the same tbh.

    Really? So you’re an absolute cunt who would scream at a director of photography for three minutes for the crime of accidentally stepping into shot while you’re making a trashy sci-fi blockbuster?

  265. We don’t know it will be trashy yet.

    But yes, he was wrong to do that.

    I’ve read other blurb that the DP had done the same thing a number of times (fiddling with lights etc when the cameras were running) and he’d been told about it. This was the culmination of this.

    That REALLY is no excuse though. (I’m just putting it out there for a bit of balance really.)

    Anyway, it happened months ago and apparently they’re all ok now.

  266. Seb doesnt like me much. Where’s the love Seb? Please dont suggest Im a cunt.

    Speaking from an acting point of view… Imagine your doing a seriously emotional scene with another actress (Bryce Dallas Howard) and some lighting guy cruises onto set at the crucial point of the scene and completley ruins what could of been ‘THE’ take. This isnt the first time its happened either.

    I would of gone mental. Thats me being honest. It was abit OTT, but he IS human. As Is the DP. But to get all judgemental on Bale without knowing exactly what happened is pretty stupid.

  267. >Seb doesnt like me much. Where?s the love Seb? Please dont suggest Im a cunt.

    I wasn’t suggesting you were a cunt. I was suggesting that Christian Bale was one, and expressing surprise that you were standing up for him. Doesn’t mean I think you’re one, and even if I did, I don’t know you well enough to call you it. Sorry, though, I realise the way I phrased that didn’t make it entirely clear.

    >Speaking from an acting point of view

    Hey, I’ve acted as well. (And while I don’t think you’re a cunt, I must admit you irritate me a little bit with stuff like this. I don’t go round saying “Speaking as a writer, only I can understand what Doug Naylor’s doing with the new specials.”)

    >Imagine your doing a seriously emotional scene with another actress (Bryce Dallas Howard) and some lighting guy cruises onto set at the crucial point of the scene and completley ruins what could of been ?THE? take.

    Come on, man. They’re making Terminator 4 directed by McG, not an adaptation of King Lear directed by Orson Welles.

    Whatever happened – and it seems like a relatively minor infraction on the part of the DP – it’s clear for all to hear exactly what Bale’s reaction was (and at one point it sounds distinctly like he’s lunging towards him as if to physically assault him). And I don’t care what you say about the pressures of movie making or anything like that – that is absolutely no way for a man in his position to act towards a fellow professional. Hell, it’s no way for one human being to act to another full stop, but certainly not over something as trivial as “Oh, whoops, the guy whose job it is to make sure this film looks good accidentally stepped into one scene”.

    And, well… he has history as far as being accused of having a violent temper goes, doesn’t he?

    On the other hand, just to trivialise it entirely, that techno remix is fucking funny.

  268. >an adaptation of King Lear directed by Orson Welles

    First person to say “go on, Orson!” gets a prize, by the way.

    I’ve just realised that I’ve repeatedly come across as very angry at a lot of people in this thread. I’d just like to point out that I’m not a complete bastard, it’s just that I’m getting fed up of all the negativity towards something that we should be managing to stay excited about at least until we see some hard script/recording evidence. I’m starting to get a vibe of “I’d rather it wasn’t made at all if it’s going to be like this” off some people, and it puts me in mind of the worst kind of Doctor Who fans. We’re Dwarfers, we should be better than that.

    In summary : *kiss*

  269. I hear ya. Fair point. I just mean Ive been im a similar situation where Ive been on the recieving end of a rant like that, and kinda seen the other persons point.

    You make me sound like Im being cocky. Im not. I dont wanna iritate. I dont like arguing with people who Ive never met. Trivial or not.

  270. >I dont like arguing with people who Ive never met.

    But it’s what the internet was invented for!

    Er, three hundredth comment, by the way. Fucking hell.

  271. 301. Dont like arguing. Peace Seb. I now await a glorious Dave update :)

  272. Bale should have used his Batman growl while telling him off.

  273. I knew I would be weaned back to ganymede at some point or other. This little nugget of information has certainly accomplished that. There is no way this going to be part of the actual Red Dwarf episodes, think about it, would Doug Naylor seriously rubbish the series that much. He is smarter than that(touch wood), this will be part of the extra matrial, ie the comedy skit that was mentioned as being a completely different kind of show, this just happens to be one of the gags. Dwarf meets Corrie, nicely designed Starbug, a very unique and undeniably genius idea. However as Bobbyllew has said, whatever we think it’s not exactly applicable to what a tabloid has smeered all over their article. Craig has already said he would play more than one part; of course this as the official site put it(and please underline Serious):

    Show Four – A Clip Show With a Serious Difference
    The cast do it their way. Red Dwarf as you have never, ever seen it before!

    That’s all this is. So we can all chillax. Would Naylor ever consider putting Dwarf continuity down the swany mixing it in with Corrie. Not on your nelly. However he would put it in a funny Dwarf clip show.

    Ciao

  274. >would Doug Naylor seriously rubbish the series that much

    I heard that he’s planning on giving Kryten a penis that runs away on its own, then tries to rape the captain. I agree, he’ll never put something THAT dumb in the show.

  275. “Well, you’ll be in your element if insects are in control. You’ll probably get a decent job at last.”

  276. Granted but I would take Archie over inserting Corrie into the actual two part special. At least Archie had character. Let’s face it.

  277. And let’s not forget that if this is anything but a part of the clip show, then Coronation Street’s continuity is buggered as well. If it is an actual crossover, which it’s not. Just harmless fun. A what if.

  278. Im rather impressed that If you search for Red Dwarf products on amazon.co.uk, or just on google, this apears in the sponsored links box at the bottom/right of the page:

    SPONSORED LINKS (What is this?)
    Red Dwarf
    Dave.Uktv.co.uk/Red-Dwarf Red Dwarf – Back to Earth on UKTV Brand New Two Part Series!

    Ive just never noticed that before. Has It been like that for long?

  279. > Er, three hundredth comment, by the way. Fucking hell.

    * BUMP! *

  280. This topic has certainly caught on like wild fire as expected lol. Hey what about Carbug being the new Ganymede banner.

  281. Wow some good news, thanks for the update neandercarl.

  282. *Thinks* Hmmmmm. Will The Strangerers ever return to our screens on the set of Heartbeat?

  283. Seb and thomas, I think you guys need to hug.

    I said “hug”. No tongues, now.

  284. >this will be part of the extra matrial, ie the comedy skit that was mentioned as being a completely different kind of show

    I’m not sure that an elaborate Starbug car prop is quite in keeping with the description of “the four cast members on stage, no props, no scripts”, somehow.

  285. >I?ve just realised that I?ve repeatedly come across as very angry at a lot of people in this thread. I?d just like to point out that I?m not a complete bastard, it?s just that I?m getting fed up of all the negativity towards something that we should be managing to stay excited about at least until we see some hard script/recording evidence. I?m starting to get a vibe of ?I?d rather it wasn?t made at all if it?s going to be like this? off some people, and it puts me in mind of the worst kind of Doctor Who fans. We?re Dwarfers, we should be better than that.

    I don’t think you’re a complete bastard at all, Seb. I can understand that the remit of G+T is to fuel enthusiasm for this project, it’s just that a few of us find it hard to get enthusiastic about this. I did that in 1997, and was bitterly disappointed. I did it to a lesser extent in 1999 and was, to be honest, shocked with the severe downturn in quality. No one wants to set themselves up for a fall, so I’d prefer to be prepared for shite and be happily surprised if this is quality.

    I find it hard to be excited about something that I haven’t found outstanding for over 15 years and my negativity comes as a result of that. These pictures have not really changed my opinion one iota. I’d be happy if Red Dwarf rested in peace rather than having the chance of being turned further into dreck.

    Being excited and positive about this is just the flip-side of being pessimistic and negative. We don’t know what this will be like so we have to “pick a side”.

  286. But this is my point, Pete – your reasons for not being optimistic are actually BASED on something. You’re absolutely right when you say “We don’t know what this will be like so we have to pick a side”. But when people say things like “we?re basically in for an extended Children In Need sketch”, it’s based ENTIRELY on speculation. And I’m sorry, but pessimism based on what you THINK is happening from a very, very limited supply of information is just DAFT.

  287. Incidentally, here are some other examples of pessimism (some of which I was guilty of myself) based on not knowing anywhere near as much as we thought :

    “Billie Piper can’t act, this is going to RUIN Doctor Who”
    “The idea of the Anne Droid is ridiculous, this is going to RUIN Doctor Who”
    “Utopia looks boring, the Futurekind are a rubbish baddie”
    “Catherine Tate is fucking shit, this is going to RUIN Doctor Who”
    “Matt Smith is a floppy-haired twat and too young, this is going to RUIN Doctor Who”

  288. >And I?m sorry, but pessimism based on what you THINK is happening from a very, very limited supply of information is just DAFT.

    But this was kind of my point. Isn’t optimism based on what you THINK is happening from a very, very limited supply of information just DAFT too?

  289. >But when people say things like ?we?re basically in for an extended Children In Need sketch?, it?s based ENTIRELY on speculation.

    I said that I knew it was too early to judge, but from the pictures and articles, that’s how it looked to me.

    In other words, if I were basing my opinion solely on those things, that is the conclusion I would come to. I’m well aware of the fact that in all likelihood it will turn out to be nothing of the sort, though I must admit, the pics do seem to hint at the ‘Wacky Dwarf’ angle that made me hate series 8.

    Call it mindless speculation if you like. To me, trying to figure out what the new shows will be like based on the little tidbits we’re getting is just harmless fun, and food for thought. Isn’t that why Dave, BobbyLlew and RD.com are throwing these hints our way?

    In April we can all be proven totally wrong and have a good laugh about it.

  290. We have new Red Dwarf. Logically what should be the first thing shot? An advert for Dave. Where is Lister? He’s back on Earth. But where? He’s working as a cabbie in a soap. What’s he driving? A Starbug looking car.

  291. > ?The idea of the Anne Droid is ridiculous, this is going to RUIN Doctor Who?

    This turned out to be true.

    > ?Catherine Tate is fucking shit, this is going to RUIN Doctor Who?

    As did this. Well, in my opinion anyways. Neither of these things “ruined” Doctor Who…just lessened my enjoyment.

    > But this was kind of my point. Isn?t optimism based on what you THINK is happening from a very, very limited supply of information just DAFT too?

    I’m with Pete on this. Of course it’s silly to write off the specials purely based on a couple of Paparazzi pics…but this is the first thing we’ve seen and it seems to fit with what I was fearing…that this would turn out to be the daft knockabout Dwarf of Series 8.

    I genuinely hope it isn’t, but with no reason to expect that it’ll be different and with these pics as our only glimpse of what’s going on… I’ll remain skeptical until something…ANYTHING gives me reason to think otherwise.

    You can’t criticise that any more than you could criticise someone for saying “Carbug is BRILLIANT! It’s going to be hilarious!” I think people need to be careful about talking in absolutes, but it’s difficult not to resort to hyperbole with this – after all, Red Dwarf is something that we all love.

  292. The thing is, though, we’re not neutral observers. We’re fans. We’re here because we (supposedly) like the show. Yes, it’s been crap and let us down at times in the past, but this should be a chance to start again and wipe the slate clean. And in a situation where we know next to nothing about what’s actually happening, surely the default state of mind, as a fan, should be optimism? If you’re automatically expecting it to be crap… well, honestly, I think that says more about you than it does about the show.

  293. >What?s he driving? A Starbug looking car.

    Incidentally, this was a thought that had struck me, too – that rather than being driven by Kryten while looking for Lister, that Carbug was simply Craig/Lister’s car while he works on Corrie. An idea that, sorry, I find inherently funny.

  294. > If you?re automatically expecting it to be crap? well, honestly, I think that says more about you than it does about the show.

    For all the reasons previously stated, I respectfully disagree.

  295. >If you?re automatically expecting it to be crap? well, honestly, I think that says more about you than it does about the show.

    Once bitten twice shy. When I watched Back in the Red parts 1+2, I didn’t sit down to watch Back in the Red part 3 thinking “Well, they were shit. But I’m sure to enjoy this week’s instalment”. I was prepared for disappointment, so it wasn’t quite a shock when I got it.

  296. > If you?re automatically expecting it to be crap? well, honestly, I think that says more about you than it does about the show.

    Yep, for all of the very good reasons above I would disagree too.

    Personally the return of Dwarf isn`t `that` big a thing for me as I haven`t been keen on the stuff that Doug has done on his own with the show so far. But it makes perfect sense that if people didn`t like the style of Series VIII or Red Christmas that the photos would automatically give them concerns. It wouldn`t be logical for them simply to assume that everything will turn out ok.

    Personally, I am happy to just wait and see. Hopefully anything Corrie related will only be a small and unimportant part of things and Doug will use all of the best material he has come up with over the past decade to ensure that the show goes out with a bang (if it proves to be so).

  297. > Come on, man. They?re making Terminator 4 directed by McG, not an adaptation of King Lear directed by Orson Welles.

    I know I’m late again. But I quote this for reasons of appreciation.

    As for the new dwarf and how it’s getting ruined right now: there will be enough opportunity to critisise it if it should turn out shit. Until then, I’ll assume that it is going to entertain me and be positively excited, and enjoy the buzz and news coverage and the feeling that things move in the dwarf fandom and the fact that this is making another Dimension Jump (or a fanzine issue *sigh*) just a little more likely.

  298. > Come on, man. They?re making Terminator 4 directed by McG, not an adaptation of King Lear directed by Orson Welles.

    The studio pressure on the lead actor of the former is more than on the latter though, surely?

    Also, for any actor putting the effort in, there’s no distinction between the two on the day. Reaching an emotional peak that reads truthful in a close-up that blows up to 15 feet high doesn’t suddenly get easier because you’re in a ‘less artistically important’ production.

    It’s an overreaction, of course it is. But every movie has dozens of these flare-ups. Just because the ‘it was all wonderful’ junket interviews don’t tell you about it, doesn’t mean it doesn’t constantly happen. It’s high-pressure, long-hours work with late rewrites and creative clashes. You personal life is affected, and affects what you’re doing. And everybody gets pushed to act like a dick sometime.

    Amazingly, I think AICN covered this best, acknowledging that it’s a private moment made public, and we don’t get to judge from such a specific recording. (There’s no document of what had led to this outburst, but AICN do get the inside track on that, at least.) You don’t get to judge the whole of a man’s character based on a few short minutes. Either way.

  299. As for the new dwarf and how it?s getting ruined right now: there will be enough opportunity to critisise it if it should turn out shit. Until then, I?ll assume that it is going to entertain me and be positively excited, and enjoy the buzz and news coverage and the feeling that things move in the dwarf fandom and the fact that this is making another Dimension Jump (or a fanzine issue *sigh*) just a little more likely.

    Have I told you lately that I love you?

  300. The studio pressure on the lead actor of the former is more than on the latter though, surely?

    Also, for any actor putting the effort in, there?s no distinction between the two on the day. Reaching an emotional peak that reads truthful in a close-up that blows up to 15 feet high doesn?t suddenly get easier because you?re in a ?less artistically important? production.

    Okay, but it doesn’t help the perception that Bale takes himself far, far too seriously considering what his job is and how much he’s paid for doing it. Like with the whole accent thing.

    It?s an overreaction, of course it is. But every movie has dozens of these flare-ups. Just because the ?it was all wonderful? junket interviews don?t tell you about it, doesn?t mean it doesn?t constantly happen. It?s high-pressure, long-hours work with late rewrites and creative clashes. You personal life is affected, and affects what you?re doing. And everybody gets pushed to act like a dick sometime.

    I completely understand that. But it’s not the fact that he threw an angry tantrum. It’s how unpleasant it is. The threats of violence, the refusal to let it go, the suggestion that he wants to see the guy fired. Ordinary people get angry and throw wobblers, especially under pressure. But ordinary people aren’t usually quite so horrible as that when doing so.

    And, like I say, guy has (alleged) form.

  301. > But every movie has dozens of these flare-ups.

    Do they? Are you involved with the making of all of them?

    Personally I thought the AICN reaction had a whiff of sycophancy. There is no excuse for his behaviour. Just because it might happen elsewhere doesn’t make it any better. He is facing a justifiably negative reaction, as would anyone else if this had been their leaked rant.

  302. I’m sure it was nothing, actors and directors fall out all the time and things like this always leak out to the press, are exaggerated by the media and the rest is embellished… someone probably saw him slam a door!.

  303. I?m sure it was nothing, actors and directors fall out all the time and things like this always leak out to the press, are exaggerated by the media and the rest is embellished? someone probably saw him slam a door!.

    Er, dude, you should probably listen to it.

  304. “IT’S FUCKING DISTRAAAAAAAAAAAACTING!”

  305. It’s probarby something, you never hear about actors and directors falling out. Things like this never leak out to the press, and are usually played down by the media? someone probably saw him fall out with a director!.

  306. > And, like I say, guy has (alleged) form.

    Is it fair to use something that’s at this stage only ‘alleged’ to fuel a presumption?

    I’m guilty of doing to it myself I’ll admit. As my reaction to the Bale leak was well he’s done it before… but should we really use that to judge?

    Going back up to the negative reaction to Carbug and the negative presumptions of what the episodes are about. I agree it’s silly to assume, but then that’s part and parcel of fandom isn’t it? At least in that case the negative presumptions were based on hard fact (and actual form, rather than alledged).

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