Unscene

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Friday rolls round and this week’s TOS-piece is a moist slice of DVDetails.

There was a point, during the couple of weeks following Easter, where I was going to write up a massive article detailing what I’d like to see on the Back to Earth DVD. It seems fairly redundant now, but so far all the details released have tied up pretty well with what I *did* get round to writing. The moral of the story? I’m always right and GNP will always live up to high expectations with their DVDs.

First up in the update, we’ll be getting a full 10 minutes of Smeg Ups, which considering they’re only from three episodes is impressive (or damning, depending on which way you want to look at it.) In my wildest dreams I would’ve loved some new linking material recorded by Bobby and co. in costume as with the old VHS collections, but it *is* possible to ask for too much. Or is it? Yeah, no, it probably is.

Now, on to the several meats and numerous veg of the update, Deleted Scenes:

Meteorites
Rimmer further explains the dilapidated condition of Red Dwarf to Katerina.

It’s understandable that they didn’t take up too much time in episode 1 filling in the gaps, but I really enjoyed the little conversation between Rimmer and Katerina recapping some important points (Holly, specifically) so more of this will be GOOD. Personally, I’m hoping the scene starts with Rimmer saying “Well, after I got back from being Ace Rimmer and saved the whole ship from the corrosive microbe and, crucially, became about a million points funnier, a meteorite smashed…”

Nose World Staircase Recap
Originally intended for the opening to episode three, the cast’s dialogue handily recaps the situation.

This is very interesting as it shows that there was a not insignificant reshuffle during the edit. Would this mean episode 2 was originally intended to finish in They Walk Among Us, or even earlier? In fact, the more I think about the more it would make sense that this scene was intended for the 2 part version (with part 1 ending with Rimmer’s stopping mid sentence gag), but since it seems the decision was make to extend to three parts before filming began, this is clearly a bollocks theory.

Jammy Dodger
Rimmer and Lister, lying on their Price Smashers bunks, reminisce about an incident aboard Red Dwarf before the accident.

Jammy Dodger Callback
Facing death at the hands of their creator, Rimmer recalls the Jammy Dodger story and spurs Lister to action.

The idea of a scene with Rimmer and Lister on the bunks fills me undiluted joy (especially since BtE personally did so many things better than VIII, which presumably includes the old ‘bunk room dynamic’) and, unless the Jammy Dodger gag *really* doesn’t work it seems a shame that such an iconic image was lost from the final version. Anyway, here’s hoping for a few more previously unseen background details…

The Squid’s Plan
An extra piece of dialogue explains just why the beast in the water tank might have let Cat go after its first attack.

Ah, handy, I’ve been wondering about this. Maybe the squid thought the Cat was its mother?

Oh Mummy
Rimmer spots something massive on the sonar.

Obviously an extended reaction to the squid from Rimmer. This’ll probably end up being a good cut as I thought his reaction as seen in the episode was good and, crucially, didn’t fall into the old ‘over egging the pudding’ trap.

It’s interesting but possibly also telling that none of these scenes will make it into the Directors Cut (although the odd moment here and there might, I suppose) as that seems to suggest that none of these cuts were purely for time, but rather for the good of the story as a whole (which is something that’s the case with almost all of the deleted stuff from 1 to VIII), which is fine by me.

Finally, I’m pleased to note that Doug continues to realise just how interesting his commentaries can be by providing a track of these scenes, which is basically fantastic. Ellard’s captions have served us well in the past but you really can’t beat the writer/director giving us all the context.

It’s all shaping up very nicely indeed, it has to be said, and you have to wonder: after two versions of the episodes with two separate commentaries, a (presumably) extended making of, smeg ups, deleted scenes and as many of the promotional material as possible… what else can we expect?

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  1. Good to see they’ve got Doug doing a comentary over them again like on bodysnatcher.

  2. > Nose World Staircase Recap

    This was literally the first scene of Part Three as-scripted. The scene was filmed towards the end of the schedule and some recap lines were dropped in. (We were already working to avoid full recap montages, since they steal episode time and hardly ever do what their meant to – make the story make sense as if you’d missed the previous episode. Usually they just ruin where you’re going to go, since the recap clips always clue you in to what’s ‘important’, what’s coming next.)

    The death of Katerina was initially intended as the conclusion to episode two, Rimmer defeating his nemesis, getting a moment of joy to himself, at the end of the ep.

    To give you an idea of just now much things changed in the cut, episode one in its initial assembly ended with Rimmer and Lister looking on as Katerina left the bunkroom (‘I hate her’/’I like her. I like her a lot’). Had to be changed – we’d misjudged how slow it would have left part one, how loosely cut and untightened – but it would have meant part two opened with a clear Rimmer Vs Katerina dynamic and ended with her comeuppance.

  3. Had to be changed – we?d misjudged how slow it would have left part one, how loosely cut and untightened

    Tempted to say that Part 1 actually *was* pretty slow anyway… you could definitely feel some padding in that episode. Which was a real shame, as a lot of people who were dissatisfied with Part 1 would’ve been much happier with 2 and 3, but didn’t tune back in.

  4. The position that ‘Oh Mummy’ appears in the above list would suggest to me a scene from the end, with a larger mother squid appearing.

    With hilarious consequences.

  5. That’s a skill.

  6. >The position that ?Oh Mummy? appears in the above list would suggest to me a scene from the end, with a larger mother squid appearing.

    Yeh, I took it to mean that.

  7. I’m usually perfectly happy with deleted scenes being preceded by text pieces that give some context on where they would have fit, and reasons for their deletion (such as those on, let’s say, oh, just as a random example, the Red Dwarf DVDs). But commentaries on deleted scenes are always even more welcome!

    I always liked the method used in The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular for presenting deleted scenes, where parts that were kept in the episodes were at full brightness, and the outtake material was faded out slightly. I’ve often thought that it’d be nice for DVDs to make a similar visual distinction between what was deleted and what was kept, because if I’m not particularly familiar with the main feature, I can’t always tell which bits are different, especially if it’s just minor dialogue cuts.

    As for DVDs that include deleted scenes without any context at all, not even text? Why, they’re just scum, Timmy.

    Re: Andrew’s post… very interesting to hear just how drastically the structure of Back to Earth changed in post-production.

    As for “Oh Mummy”: like Jonathan, I’d assumed it would be from episode 1’s diving bell scene. But si’s theory sounds very plausible…

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    I always liked the method used in The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular for presenting deleted scenes, where parts that were kept in the episodes were at full brightness, and the outtake material was faded out slightly. I?ve often thought that it?d be nice for DVDs to make a similar visual distinction between what was deleted and what was kept, because if I?m not particularly familiar with the main feature, I can?t always tell which bits are different, especially if it?s just minor dialogue cuts.

    Isn’t that more due to the fact that the animation isn’t finished on the deleted bits, rather than an artistic decision? I do agree that an indicator of what stayed in and what got cut is a good thing, though.

  9. > As for ?Oh Mummy?: like Jonathan, I?d assumed it would be from episode 1?s diving bell scene. But si?s theory sounds very plausible?

    Oh Mummy what’s a sex pistol?

  10. >I always liked the method used in The Simpsons 138th Episode Spectacular for presenting deleted scenes, where parts that were kept in the episodes were at full brightness, and the outtake material was faded out slightly

    I prefer it the other way around- with the deleted scene at full quality. On the Simpsons DVDs, for the deleted clip montage (with commentary) they put the regular footage in B&W and the deleted scene in colour. That works really well.

  11. I prefer deleted scenes presented in perfect colour/quality because it means they can be added into fan edits.

  12. This is shaping up to be another great dvd. So once again there is a small amount of new red dwarf to look forward to again with these brief scenes. And 10 minutes of smeg ups cool. I wonder if one of them is Chris Barrie in a picture frame saying “and now on bbc 2 …. oh smeg”

  13. I am *so* looking forward to this.

  14. I thought that maybe the screening at Berkeley Square would have been a perfect oppertunity to record a laugh track? A juicy prospect.

  15. it interesting that the feature length version runs for over 70 minutes. I wonder how many deleted scenes were restored and why these weren’t put back in to the Director’s cut, assuming they haven’t already. I wonder if nearet the time we will get another list of restored scenes. I wonder if the the guys spotting the fan in Ace Rimmer T-shirt will create a line from Rimmer like say “ah back when I was Ace”

  16. > I wonder how many deleted scenes were restored

    None. Seriously. Both the nature of the Director’s Cut and the deleted scene list have been detailed accurately on reddwarf.co.uk. Aside from the addition of a couple of shots, the tweaks have mainly been trims and replacements. But the extended credit-roller mentioned last week – which I recommend sticking with to the very, very end – brings us back to the number you see on the BBFC site.

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