A Big Red Dwarf X Round-Up News Posted by Jonathan Capps on 30th January 2012, 11:05 So, the audience days are done and it’s time to settle into our comfy chairs and see how the painfully long wait until broadcast unfolds. Time for us to take a big info dump right onto your astonished faces. As we’re all aware by now, the production will be spending six days this week in the studio shooting the myriad missing scenes and pick-ups from the previous six episodes. If Robert’s account of the extra pick-up day for Series V is anything to go by, I can’t imagine this is going to be the most fun of weeks. The amount of missing scenes (especially in episode 5 which has about 10 minutes un-filmed) is a little startling especially since they include what sounds like a complex action scene in episode 2 and the ENTIRE ENDING of episode 4 along with the aforementioned chunk of episode 5. To give us a better idea of how they’re going to tackle this, there’s been some interesting comments from Richard Naylor on Twitter: the end of Ep 4, missing sections of 5&6 take priority. Then it’s trying to make other eps as gd as poss. That Inc. Some new scenes. The mention of new scenes separate from the stuff needed for 4, 5 and 6 is interesting as it suggests Doug will be taking the opportunity to re-write bits as he sees fit. We know from the past that this is not unheard of (the ending of Only The Good… being a notorious example) so it’ll be interesting to see what, if anything, is replaced from the audience recordings. One of the main concerns about the missing scenes is what they’re going to do about audience laughter. There’s a fine line between augmented and canned laughter, and if they ended up having to paste laughs from other scenes to ones with none, then it’s going to be difficult to defend. Unless… We will most likely have a screening but nothing is confirmed. The fact that audience screenings are being considered is very good. It’ll certainly solve the problem of the missing scenes having no audience reaction, but we could get into choppy waters if the laughter from the screenings is used to augment or even replace the live reaction. You can hear the conversation with Dave – “if we’re getting laughs from screenings, then why are we bothering with a live audience?”. Anyway, regardless, audience screenings would be excellent, so fingers crossed this happens and more people get the a chance to have an early look at the new series. Now, some INTRIGUE, once again pilfered from Naylor Jnr’s Twitter feed: Would’ve been great to have another aud. day showing scenes but seating removed tomorrow to make room for something else… WHAT COULD IT BE? It seems very late in the day to be building a new set, and documentary interviews don’t need that much space, so it’s possible they need space to re-erect a second guest set for the re-shoots. OR… it’s for the model shoots, but that’s taking the massive assumption they’re a) actually shooting models and b) doing it on the main production’s stage and not a proper dedicated stage. Even so, it’ll definitely be nice to hear some details about what’s going on with the models, because all we have at the moment is a single Tweet from Doug and no hints as to whether Mike Tucker’s Model Unit will be involved at all. Fingers crossed we’ll get that sooner rather than later. EDIT: As spotted by bountyhunter in the comment, Ed Moore has confirmed that it is the “model unit” that’s moving into the space vacated by the audience seating. More SPECULATION in the comments. Finally, a little bit of catchup. On Thursday UKTV released another behind the scenes video, but this time with excellently tantalising glimpses of the set and costumes. So, better late than never, let’s have a look at the highlights. Lister and Rimmer in costume! Interestingly it shows Rimmer without his H, but that could be because it was during camera rehearsals and not for plot reasons… OR IS IT? No, it isn’t… OR IS IT? Here we have a blurry but fairly decent look at the drive room in full. As you can see, it features monitors, seats and the colour red. Please stop me if I’m getting too spoilery. Now, this is interesting. Apart from another look at Lister and Rimmer in their very BTE-like costumes, you’ll see that the top left split is deliberately blurred out to remove what is presumably a spoiler. Unfortunately my ability to speculate is fucked by the fact I know what this frame is showing, and I’m a little bit perplexed that it’s been hidden as it isn’t exactly hugely spoilery, but there you go. So, yeah, it seems the quality of these teaser videos have gone up since the trickle of uninspiring set photos early in the production. It’s nice to see that they’re starting to be comfortable with showing costumes, so hopefully we’ll get to see a good shot of Kryten soon so the great mask debate can properly begin. For the record, my opinion is that it starts off looking bad, and gets much better. That’s it for now, then. Our active witnessing of the production is now over and we’re back to rooting through the bins of Shepperton, hoping to find a juicy leaving or two. It’s going to be a long few months, guys, but we’ll be here for you. Hold me.
Ed Moore just confirmed the change on set: “#reddwarf model unit moving into K stage where the audience seating was tomorrow.”
VERY INTERESTING. Also interesting is the use of the words “model unit”. Does this mean THE model unit or just A model unit. I’ve asked him about it, anyway, so hopefully we can get some confirmation.
And he’s responded: “I don’t know who’s doing it” So that suggests his use of the words “model unit” shouldn’t lead anyone to jump to conclusions. They HAVE to use them, though, surely?
The wait is going to be horrendous. Although the last two months between applying for/getting the tickets, and actually getting to Shepperton actually passed quite quickly. Every year, as I get older, I moan about the year zipping by, and it being Christmas Again Already. This year, I will be *so* glad when September arrives next week.
I really can’t see Dave being up for audience screenings. They very very reluctant to get an audience into the recordings In the first place, for fear of spoiler issues. To have that sweat over It again? Nah… don’t see It happening. It’ll be a copy and past job in the sound edit me thinks. Model Unit – BEST start to the week!
I think you’ve got your reactions mixed up – the associate producers says they’ll “most likely have a screening” and Ed has clarified that he doesn’t actually know who’s shooting the models, despite his use of the words “model unit”.
I didn’t mean ‘the’ model unit… Just ‘a’ is enough for now. And I stand by what I said about the screenings. maybe If they happen, it’ll be for a private guest audience only – cast and crew, family, celebs etc.
> I didn’t mean ‘the’ model unit… Just ‘a’ is enough for now. Fair enough. It’s definitely fantastic to see models properly confirmed, but I’m also dying for confirmation on who’s doing it and whether these will be new or old models. > And I stand by what I said about the screenings. maybe If they happen, it’ll be for a private guest audience only – cast and crew, family, celebs etc. It’ll certainly be interesting to see how they’re handled, if they happen.
What was the deal with the VII screenings? I remember getting a mailshoot about the VIII recordings (although too late to do anything about it as Robert had already spread the word on t’internet), but I don’t remember the VII screenings being publicised at all. Who was invited? And who is that female audience member who groans during the Idelwild Airport scene in Tikka to Ride? BECAUSE SOMEONE NEEDS TO SLAP HER.
I had a ticket for the VII screenings – I had written assorted fan letters at the time (I was 17), and got a letter one day from GNP inviting me to a place in London. Still got it somewhere, in my bag of lost fings. I didn’t go, obviously – me mam wouldn’t let me.
So…is this proper confirmation that actual genuine, physical, real, fondleable models are being shot for this series?? I doubt they’d need to move the seating to fit in some CGI… I hope they finally get to use the huge movie Dwarf, even if it is the pencil design.
> So…is this proper confirmation that actual genuine, physical, real, fondleable models are being shot for this series?? I doubt they’d need to move the seating to fit in some CGI… Seems to be, aye. I mean, we’ve had confirmation from Doug for weeks, but it’s nice to see proper confirmation.
> I stand by what I said about the screenings. maybe If they happen, it’ll be for a private guest audience only – cast and crew, family, celebs etc. I don’t think that’ll be the case. Especially if the internet manages to remain relatively spoiler free from the audience attendees over the next few weeks/months. I can see an early showing to a select audience somewhere before the air dates to record some of the missing laughter track (if not redo all the laughter track) I always got the impression that Doug preferred to have the live audience to get the best from the actors and to gauge the reaction to certain jokes and scenes. Enabling small tweaks… If it was for the laughter track alone, would they have gone to all the hassle of recording of infront of a live audience when they could have just shown them the fully edited article? And on a totally unrelated note….why have they incorrectly labelled lister as Ed in the first photo above? Non of us are fooled by that!
is there footage of the Movie Dwarf Model. if that what it was ? i am sure i have seen something of it in the past.
It’s on the Bodysnatcher DVD… Re-Dwarf, I think. It has the test shot that was made for the movie, the credits flyover that was shot and other bits and bobs of footage.
That shot for the movie was incredible even though it was the pencil ship. It was like the opening of A New Hope. The ship just went on and on and on and on! So much detail and the CGI background and engine effects complimented the model beautifully. Hopefully we’ll be seeing very similar stuff in September.
> I hope we get a model of how it appeared in BTE. The perfect combo of old and new. Agreed. The model is lovely but too long, so if it’s chopped down to size then it will be perfect.
Model shots, shot in HD are going to be something we’ve never seen before! I want new ships, old ships, anything sprue.
Stop picking on Blue Midget. He’s only little. I quite liked the new design. Bear in mind they don’t HAVE to dance. That being said, if they’re using Starbug, they probably won’t need it.
I have the raw footage stills taken from the camera, file size for each is huge! The Ship and Starbug. Various shots of star back drops, and other models. Sorry I forgot the models were shot in 35mm, not tape.
Has there ever been a picture of the OTHER side of the original Dwarf model? Could you see inside It? Or was It the shape with no detail?
Has there ever been a picture of the OTHER side of the original Dwarf model? Could you see inside It? Or was It the shape with no detail? Interesting question. Logistically, if they knew they were only to film one side of the ship then they would only detail the ship on that side. To memory I don;’t think there are any shots of the entire ship, and if they needed a ‘Dark Side of the Dwarf’ I would assume they would have flopped the footage. When you say inside it? Do you mean did they detail the inside, or can you see inside the model. I doubt they detailed the inside for the same reasons as above, but you can see inside the model very briefly during one of the overhead fly-by shots, there’s a crack in the seam of the model and you can just see the lighting inside it…
Yes there is, it’s fully detailed round the back, and on all sides. A full model, it’s not detailed inside just hollow. There were 2 holes in the engine tail pipe, for a better word. This was caused by the heat of the lamp to produce the engine effect. It was actually coloured pink, not red. I’m sure they must have graded the shots later as the stlls look nothing like the final image on screen. I would post a picture, but I would be basically shot. The full image shot of the whole ship is amazing, the detail is beautiful.
If they did detail the other side… what a shame It was never seen… :( OH – And I have the exact same monitors as being used In the image above!
How do you know that we haven’t been always seeing both sides as I say, and the footage was flopped at times :P
…it was from here BTW: https://twitter.com/#!/RichardDGNaylor/status/164132008346386432 Just a little closer in and the specualtion on that scene would have been interesting.
> How do you know that we haven’t been always seeing both sides as I say, and the footage was flopped at times :P Because you can tell by the top exterior detail. Duh :D
I dont see audience screenings being any worse for spoilers than the live audience, unless there is something they’ve hidden in missing scene’s that is then shown. Also could be done last nearer to broadcast etc.
I think the potential problem is more that Dave might say: Why bother with a live audience at all, if screenings provide the audience response they need? In other news: Camera based geekery with Ed Moore – http://vimeo.com/35881289
Dave should understand that shooting scenes in front of an audience is a big part of what makes Red Dwarf the show it is. The Dwarf studio audience, over the years, has helped us, the wider viewing audience, connect with the show a hell of a lot more than if it had been laughter-free. We’re not just talking the broadcast episodes. This is a show where the outtakes are so legendary they got their own releases (on VHS, which was my first Dwarf experience) and the audience reactions for those outtakes are priceless. The cast playing up to the audience is bloody fantastic. BtE and any potential movie are Dwarf as a different dramatic animal that don’t suit a laughter track. Other than those…ALL Red Dwarf NEEDS to be shot in front of an audience or screened for genuine laughter. I’m gonna say that if Dave decided to forego audience recordings in the future (hopefully they won’t) then they might as well scrap the series altogether! Right now that’s how I feel. Future TV Red Dwarf – laughter. Always.
Those two quickly became two of my favourite Red Dwarf guest actors; the one on the left (I think!) in particular put in a stunning performance.
Agreed. The chap on the right wasn’t bad either, but the bloke on the left is going to go down as a *very* well-remembered appearance/performance.
https://twitter.com/#!/RichardDGNaylor/status/164433625687932928 #reddwarf ‘s K Stage in all it’s glory. pic.twitter.com/Pg6zaSow
Brilliant If you saw an ep being recorded, and yet It means nothing to those who haven’t. Love this photo.
While this photo doesn’t show much, it surely does show that there has been some serious money put into this production to hire a stage this big and have all these sets and props. I don’t often wish for a large company to make money, but i really hope that Dave make a big profit on this series. Seems like they’ve put quite a bit of faith in it.
Yes speaking from a different perspective – I hope that Dave do well from this. They’ve shown a lot of support for Red Dwarf, they deserve this to do well.
On a major voyage of discovery tonight – and stumbled on this set photo of ‘Moon’ filmed on Stage K at Shepperton: http://www.gavinrothery.com/storage/PIC%2001.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1314008348874 Here’s the full piece: http://www.gavinrothery.com/they-never-went-to-the-moon/?currentPage=7
That picture that Richard Naylor posted that looks like two people in a room with a black backdrop and a load of candles might have something to do with this line from the Episode 5 set report: Just after 6pm we started funneling into the studio, to be greeted by a candled and black curtained episode-specific set (which as it turned out, wasn’t used in this episode – at least, not in the parts we saw!).
Obscured model picture! https://twitter.com/#!/RichardDGNaylor/status/164821895416528896/photo/1 Things we’ve learnt: * It has thrusters * I can’t identify a single member of Mike Tucker’s team in that photo * Markers on the backdrop for CG starscapes.
Those clustered thruster lights look a lot like the back end of the Big Long Pencil ship to me…. hopefully with about half of it chopped off/out! Absolutely MADE UP that they’re using models. I’m looking on my phone so is very small pic, but could the blonde guy frame left be Pete Tyler?
FFUUUUUUUCK, that’s the maHUSive model from the movie promo!!!! Man alive i’m looking forward to seeing more of this…
Even if it’s the remastered model – or partly based on it – I don’t mind. Just the tiny bit we’re seeing so far has me excited and looking forward to seeing more. EDIT: And I agree, that model looks great!
It’s the remastered red dwarf model – they haven’t used the back to earth design. …… yet. Well, we assume so anyway. There’s nothing to say they haven’t modified it or built a new model with the same rear end (though I’ll admit it’s less likely, especially if Mike isn’t involved). Really, at this moment in time, all we know is that the back is from the pencil ship.
Well, I was watching the unused Remastered model shots earlier, on the Bodysnatcher set, and was struck by how lovely that looked. So I’ll be happy if the RDX shots look that nice.
Well the shot below shows the structure that is holding the model and it appears to be rather long and thin. Looks like we’re going to get the pencil which, for me, is no problem. The real problem I had with the pencil was that the CGI was shocking but, as we all know, the model they have is gorgeous and I reckon it’s pretty safe to assume that that will be used as if they chose to make a new model then surely they would go to the effort of making it to the same proportions as the BTE one. http://twitter.com/#!/RichardDGNaylor/status/164634531205365760/photo/1/large
Well the shot below shows the structure that is holding the model and it appears to be rather long and thin. The base the Dwarf is resting on isn’t the table pictured in the other photo. I’m not saying it’s not the Pencil on there, I’m just saying we have no way of being 100% certain at this point.
I doubt we’ll get the pencil. Doug mentioned in the Director’s Commentary on Back to Earth that he knows we don’t like it. He even called it a pencil. Most likely they’ll give the physical model a shipectomy to match the CG version from Back to Earth.
What I’m saying Is maybe both… maybe shooting with original pencil now, then chopping It down to BTE size with mods later – for whatever reason.
But why would they shoot now with the pencil if they were going to cut and shut it down to BtE size later, they’d then need to re-shoot all the footage surely?
But why would they shoot now with the pencil if they were going to cut and shut it down to BtE size later, they’d then need to re-shoot all the footage surely? They’re all sadomasicists. Ed Moore films everything wearing a gimp mask and Nathan Cubitt films all BtS interviews from his own private torture chamber.
Apart from the length, my other problem with the pencil model is the boosters themselves. I really miss the ram scoop at the end – it gave the ship a lovely sense of shape at the end which is just missing otherwise. (Used to great effect in the 1-IV closing titles, of course.) To be honest, though, boosters or no boosters, cut-and-shut or no cut-and-shut – I am just happy enough we’re getting the models back.
i suspect they have a way around it. Perhaps they are filming with the full Pencil Model with the middle section Blacked out in some way and then put the 2 ends Together in the edit. or maybe not as i know absolutely nothing about that sort of thing. >I am just happy enough we’re getting the models back. This.
Yeah, I kind of hated the Remastered version after seeing it smeared across my screen in glorious pixellated 2D, but then grew to appreciate it after watching the extras on the Bodysnatcher DVD, and also reading about its construction in Mike Tucker’s BBC VFX book. I mean, from a technical point of view, it’s way ahead of the original in terms of lighting, finish and detailing, although it does lose some of the lashed together charm of the original. But I think it bodes well that the only time we’ve seen it in action properly on camera is in the movie test shot – and that was fucking spectacular. Exciting stuff.
> (Used to great effect in the 1-IV closing titles, of course.) Definitely. The titles test sequence using the pencil completely misses that swoop down at the end.
I think the problem lies with the line. Five miles long. They had to make it look massive, but the scale was all wrong. The model built by Alan Brannan looks very much like the one on the table. The set scene must be the fly by shot. Models could have been built by Tucker instruments, but not shot by them?
Whoa whoa whoa. Is Dave HD only available with Sky? EDIT: Just seen it is. And Virgin media. Didn’t even know it had launched.
>But why would they shoot now with the pencil if they were going to cut and shut it down to BtE size later, they’d then need to re-shoot all the footage surely? Jo I’m saying maybe both designs feature in the series – for flash back purposes. maybe they’re doing shots of the ship for unrelated projects before they carve the bloody thing up. Who knows!
That all sounds far too complicated. If they’ve chopped it up then it’s been done well before this week. There’s no way they’d make major adjustments half way through a shoot. It’s impossible to say whether they’ve chopped it down to size, but as has been said, Doug’s comments about the ship circa BtE suggest they will.
I’d have thought if they were going to the trouble of chopping the middle out to match the BTE design then they would change the back too.
*watches speculation with growing amusement* You are Andrew Ellard circa March 2009 and I claim my 5 pounds.
Mike Tucker doesn’t mention anything on his site. http://www.themodelunit.co.uk/ But I doubt he would, the timeline of his work is covering now and previous months.
I really hope this isn’t some weird thing where they address the fact that the ship has changed size by showing both. No one gives a shit. Just give us the classic model like BTE, fuck the continuity nods and get on with telling jokes.
Indeed. For a show that has next to no reverence for it’s own plot continuity or cliffhangers, there’s no chance they’re going to be pissing around with the size of the ship just to explain something that doesn’t actually need to be explained.
Something i posted in the other thread, but I have to admit, after just purchasing ‘The Next Level’ Bluray preview of Star Trek The Next Generation in HD, and seeing those ILM miniatures of the Enterprise in HD, i have to say i really am looking forward to seeing some HD models of Red Dwarf and Starbug. So SO much more realistic than CGI. Quite astonishing just how good those Enterprise beauty passes are in HD.
it would be a massive shame to do it, but Mike Tucker has said that if they ever did want to bring the ship back to normal size, they would just cut it down to size and still use it. It’s an absolutely frigging GORGEOUS model, and it would be a shame to touch it in anyway. but if that’s what they have to do to get it on screen. Then please, do that to get it on screen.
They could shape the ship like a fucking banana, I don’t care anymore – I’m just glad it’s an honest-to-gosh physical model.
I’m all for it being the pencil if it means we get the movie model. They shouldn’t have to alter its design just to please us. The boosters…pah, I can live with them! > Quite astonishing just how good those Enterprise beauty passes are in HD. So true. The opening shot of Encounter at Farpoint is gorgeous! I still think they should have cut the title sequence making that the first time we see the Enterprise-D. Ah well… Something that disappoints me is the lack of mention of minatures (or ‘bigatures’) being used in the current Hobbit production. Some of the most breathtaking sequences in LOTR were achieved with extensive minature work which gave the world a solid feel. If they’ve had to sacrifice all that due to 3D or shooting at 48fps or anything like that I shall scream…
Let’s face it this series has surprised us in a number of ways. Did we HONESTLY think we were getting an audience for the new series? Did we HONESTLY think we were getting models shots again? You’ve got to hand it to Doug for trying to appease the fans with this stuff. It wasn’t needed (well, maybe it was, see personal opinions for more details) but it really was WANTED…
>Let’s face it this series has surprised us in a number of ways. Did we HONESTLY think we were getting an audience for the new series? Honestly? Yes, didn’t find that bit unexpected at all to be honest. >Did we HONESTLY think we were getting models shots again? No. Glad we are. It’s great that Doug cares enough to appease the fans and take criticism on board but I hope he still challenges and surprises us too.
>You’ve got to hand it to Doug for trying to appease the fans with this stuff. See, I don’t see it that way. I just think doing things like model shots and having an audience are Doug recognising what’s best for the show full stop. After all, there are doubtless many, many fans out there who’d love to see another Dibbley-centric episode. Doesn’t necessarily mean that they should be “appeased” with one. (Unless they ALREADY HAVE BEEN by RDX, ho ho ho) What fans want for a franchise isn’t always the best thing. And G&T, as sexy and intelligent as its readers are, isn’t representative of all of online fandom, which itself isn’t anything like representative of all of fandom.
Does anyone know if any more shots or video of the test footage on the bodysnatcher set is available online?
Well that would be copyright infringement now, wouldn’t it… And no, it isn’t – I’ve already looked. Unless you count a 2 second zoomed in clip in a Youtube video. Which I don’t.
Maybe ‘appease’ wasn’t the right word. Doug seems to be listening, though. What fans want for a franchise isn’t always the best thing. I can agree there, The best (or worst) example of this is the Sonic franchise. I’ve never seen a fanbase so diametrically opposed when it comes to new games and ideas.
>What fans want for a franchise isn’t always the best thing. Certainly not. No one needs a load of back references to stuff that only internet fans actually remember. When Red Dwarf does that, it disappears up its own back-passage. Does a casual viewer get anything from the plot of Nanarchy? Nope, because it’s referencing a bunch of stuff that happened 5 years and 14 episodes earlier. The moment Doug is making this solely for people with Red Dwarf DVD collections is the moment he should stop.
Does a casual viewer get anything from the plot of Nanarchy? Nope, because it’s referencing a bunch of stuff that happened 5 years and 14 episodes earlier. Does a casual viewer get anything from “The Wedding of River Song”? Nope, because it’s referencing a bunch of stuff that happened three and a half years and 38 episodes earlier.
>What fans want for a franchise isn’t always the best thing How many of you kids would like Lister & Rimmer to deal with real-life problems, like the ones you face every day? And who would like to see them do just the opposite – getting into far-out situations involving robots and magic powers? So, you want a realistic, down-to-earth show… that’s completely off-the-wall and swarming with magic robots? (And also, you should win things by watching)
Don’t forget the new, totally never seen a episode before. I’m actually introducing a 23 year old to the wonders of Smeg, Gimps and Gelfs right now. It’s amazing watching the reactions! They do exist. Surely people who kept the show alive for this amount of time have more a say than someone who stopped watching after the first Episode of BTE? Of course this statement doesn’t work in the real world, everyone can have a say. Continuity in a show of this length and time must be a nightmare to control, and it does get sought out and displayed, but gets totally lost on the average viewer. I’m proud to be apart of a fan base the clearly cares so much about the show. In this depth of quality, when the length of something so important doesn’t make a difference then you know it’s serious.
>*watches speculation with growing amusement* >I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren’t there. I nominate these posts for Hall of Smug-Cunt status.
Something interesting that’s only just struck me about that picture of the model is they’re filming it traveling right to left which is something they’ve only done in BTE, I think. Well, I say “interesting”…
What fans want for a franchise isn’t always the best thing. I can agree there, The best (or worst) example of this is the Sonic franchise. I’ve never seen a fanbase so diametrically opposed when it comes to new games and ideas. Very true.
>No one needs a load of back references to stuff that only internet fans actually remember. When Red Dwarf does that, it disappears up its own back-passage. Agreed. It’s worse than Rimmerworld!!!!!
Very true. I was trying to find that article to post but I couldn’t find it. Cheers. yes read that if you want an explanation of how Sega literally try to accommodate fans every which way… and fail. Inevitably.
I had a wander around the model shoot today. It was basically like BEING IN SPACE. Only instead of the sun there was a fuckoff light on a stand being looked after by an electrician from south London.
Ed’s here to find out how AlexVS found out about his gimp mask :oS I had a wander around the model shoot today. *jealous* p.s. Welcome to G&T Ed :)
>I love humans. Always seeing patterns in things that aren’t there. Are you a different Seb Patrick to the one quoted in this article?: http://www.ganymede.tv/indepth/oh-boy-were-we-suckered :)
Well I don’t tweet, so… I’m casting my vote here: pencil. I know, people here prefer the short version. I like it too. Also I know that the ship’s dimensions in IWCD are 5X4X3 miles. But don’t shorten the pencil model. It will make (or will have made, by now) for such nice slow sweeping shots, as others have already argued. I have to admit that if I hadn’t started hanging around here so much, I would still not care or probably not even notice whether models or CGI or both are used. (Don’t kick me out y’all!) It was always about the characters and plot for me and I am a bit slow on the uptake where recognition of fine art is concerned, unless it is music, which is my field. So thanks for the education. By happy coincidence, I’ve just started taking an art history class too.
At least I think I remember reading that it was 5X4X3. Correct me if I’m wrong. Oh yeah, and hi Ed. (:
It is a shortened and updated version of the Remastered model and done by the guy who shot the miniatures for Moon. I am pleased.
> After all, there are doubtless many, many fans out there who’d love to see another Dibbley-centric episode. Doesn’t necessarily mean that they should be “appeased” with one. Except to a degree Doug has a history of appeasing ‘the fans’. Everything post VII has more or less come across that way whether it was in line with the best intentions or not. As John sort of said on the Pre-X Dwarfcast though, sod us. We know nothing.
I reserve the phrase ‘Fuck me that model is the epitome of gorgeousness’ until the article is written…
Well I’m glad someone had the guts to say it. You’ve given me the courage to come out the closet…I like pencil, and I’m proud of it!
I prefer the squat model, but I don’t dislike the pencil (although the CG version was obviously a bit naff).
The boosters are shit. It screams out “Look at this, isn’t it cool?!!!”. But the ship isn’t supposed to be cool, it’s supposed to be an old rust-bucket.
The boosters are shit. It screams out “Look at this, isn’t it cool?!!!”. But the ship isn’t supposed to be cool, it’s supposed to be an old rust-bucket. I disagree, (although that shot on the Red Dwarf Remastered opening titles of the shio “going to warp” or some such bollocks is, of course, utter shit). I’d like to remind you that there are a number of scifi ships that are supposed to look like an old rust-bucket that still manage to come across as cool, and I’d argue Red Dwarf fits in that list, especially considering it’s atypical design.
EDIT: Posted this half an hour or so ago. Have since seen it referred to as Spoilery. So I’ll just add a SPOILER warning. (You can see some of the set). Continue… Robert Llewellyn’s posted another update on his blog, all about the end of recording. He’s just added this amusing photo: http://llewblog.squarespace.com/storage/Danny%20censor%20small.jpg?__SQUARESPACE_CACHEVERSION=1328460804587
Seriously, this is not spoilery in the slightest. You see the edges of the set, a tiny bit of cat’s costume and some of Lister’s (which has already been seen in an official video).
“a load of promotional videos we had to make, hundreds of still photos of the cast in various locations” Look forward to all of this.
To those interested, there’s a new pic of Danny in costume available to all via the futuristic wonder of Twitter, as posted by someone famous. It won’t take Sherlock Holmes to find it if you wish, but I shall refrain from posting the link ‘coz I don’t wanna be that guy.
Doug has sort of released what might be an ickle wickle spoiler. Personally I don’t consider it a spoiler but you know how some people get about spoilers.
Or is Doug trolling to the highest order to get someone to watch the series in full, even though he might not actually resolve that particular plot point…
It took me a moment to work out what he was referring to. Unless they’ve shot some new stuff, I wonder if he’s over playing the issue somewhat. Spoiler wise, feel free to talk about / speculate on what he’s said. We’ve got enough to worry about without being coy with things Doug Naylor has said in a public place.
No real spoiler at all I’d say except that we’ll get an answer to a question that’s been raised. I suppose that’s a spoiler of a kind.
Oi Doug. No fair. Stop giving away Red Dwarf X things, when you told us we’re not allowed to you bastard! ;-) he he.
Stop giving away Red Dwarf X things, when you told us we’re not allowed to you bastard! I heard that in Vyvyan’s voice.
We all seen Doug’s Tweet by now? About ten minutes ago he asked: RDX – Given a choice between opening titles or an extra 20 secs of show or more show and faster closing creds what would it be? Vote now! I think we *need* a montage title sequence, but I don’t want speedy closing titles either – where the closing theme has been edited on some of the DVD features, it sounds awful. :/ Anyway, apologies if someone else has beaten me to sharing this snippet. ;)
Ooh. And another one from @DougRDNaylor: Next question: should most music links be versions and variations of Red Dwarf theme tune as in days of old? YES.
And: Last question for tonight. Opening titles: sombre (like S1 and S2) or montage of clips from the show like S3 – S8?
I second that YES. :) IMO they should go with the faster montage opening. And I really hope they don’t edit the theme song. It deserves to be heard in full.
>Last question for tonight. Opening titles: sombre (like S1 and S2) or montage of clips from the show like S3 – S8? Yes
>RDX – Given a choice between opening titles or an extra 20 secs of show or more show and faster closing creds what would it be? Vote now! I was tempted to say: To hell with opening titels and closing credits, give us more show; but recent discussion about Holoship – extended made me think twice. Maybe shorter episode means a better episode.(?) We’ll watch the deleted scenes anyway. And I love Dwarfs opening titels and closing credits. >Next question: should most music links be versions and variations of Red Dwarf theme tune as in days of old? YES. Also, does this mean they have a skilled composer? I wonder who it is… >Last question for tonight. Opening titles: sombre (like S1 and S2) or montage of clips from the show like S3 – S8? This depends on the mood of the series. From what I’ve read in reports, montage seems more appropriate.
1. I’m for more show, personally. I don’t need opening credits. About the closing theme – don’t cut it, especially if there’s a chance to switch it up with some alternate versions a la series 4. 2. Yes, loved the incarnations of the theme as transition music! And like Potor, I am very curious who’s doing the music… 3. Loved both versions of the intro. I agree with Adam, it depends what sort of feel they’re going for.
