Let’s Talk About The Extras (on iTunes / Play Store)

Well, we were hoping to have the weekend off. But because the staggered, disjointed manner in which we all watched Series XI was so much fun, the extra features on the forthcoming Red Dwarf XI DVD/Bluray have been quietly and unexpectedly released on iTunes and Play Store. The extras were seemingly made available overnight to anyone who bought a series pass on either platform. Alternatively, the main documentary is available to buy on its own, while the deleted scenes and smeg ups are series pass only. The visual effects, model shots and image gallery are not available, but the trailers are there – for free on Play Store, but at the price of £2.49 on iTunes. Insert joke about Apple products being a rip-off here.

So, this was certainly a surprise. I assumed at first that this was a Krysis-esque fuck-up where things had gone live before they were meant to, what with the lack of any official notification, and the fact that we’re still a fortnight away from the physical release of this stuff in the UK. But the fact that it’s on both of these platforms makes me think otherwise. If this was a mistake, it’s pretty bloody amateurish. If it’s not a mistake, it’s also pretty bloody amateurish. Much like the way the release of the episodes themselves were handled, this is all a big mess.

So yeah, we at G&T are going to have to figure out between us how and when we start reviewing and discussing this stuff, but in the meantime… I dunno, use this thread for whatever. It seems that while the makers of the programme care about how its presented to the public, those in charge of its distribution do not give a solitary shit, so why should we?

UPDATE (30/10/16): They’ve disappeared from iTunes. The downloads will still play for those who grabbed them yesterday, but you can no longer buy them. It’s all still there on Google Play, though – if those disappear soon too, we’ll know the whole thing was a cock-up. Still, some sort of communication from an official channel would be nice, eh?

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  1. I would wait until around the time of the physical release to review. You guys deserve a break!

  2. It’s alright, because the download version doesn’t feature the commen– oh.

    We had precisely one day where Red Dwarf’s audience wasn’t split against itself. One. Day.

  3. UKTV are a real Mickey Mouse operation, aren’t they?

    In saying that, thanks for recommissioning RD so much, thank you, bye, bye, thanks, bye.

  4. Well they wanna milk this money cow for all its worth, i mean lets be honest people will buy it on itunes and will still buy the DVD and Blu-ray, while if they released them at same same time… you are gonna pick one or the other.

  5. The documentary is fine. Goes along at a zippy pace like the series itself and I would have liked more from Doug and Richard on the writing of the episodes but they seem to catch all the main points whilst leaving Series XII to go over some important stuff (they don’t touch on the models outside of the bazookoid). Chris Barrie seems to love everything.

    Smeg Ups are tightly packed but the fact it is so short and they repeat a few in the documentary leaves it feeling unnecessarily short.

    Deleted Scenes seem to be missing loads. Not least a few mentioned sequences from Twentica including their escape from the EMP. I believe Can of Worms had more with the tuck machine which isn’t included here. Nice to see the original Can of Worms upper Starbug deck set, the set if fine but the scene definitely needed refilming as the performances just seem off. The opening to Officer Rimmer should have been kept in. All the stuff cut out from Give & Take was rightfully cut out, they got the right balance there. Though I do like Lister complaining that they didn’t realise it was a snack machine.

    The documentary is great whilst the other two feel oddly incomplete. Sadly disappointing. Hopefully if we mention the deleted scenes that are missing to Doug they can look to include them on the Series XII DVD.

    And yes Craig, we noticed the set was different.

  6. Oh look, another piece where a fan complains that material is released in a way that makes it more widely available and doesn’t make them feel like a special unique snowflake.

    No comments on the extras themselves since I will check them out when I get the XI DVD, but the whole ongoing complaints from some on this site that it isn’t actually 1992 anymore come off as being over-entitled pricks.

  7. I’ve only watched the documentary, as I’m not going to buy the whole series on digital AND DVD…. It’s a competent enough hour, with some decent behind the scenes footage. But talk about de-fanged. Anyone expecting something remotely akin to We’re Smegged will be really disappointed, as the warts have all been lasered off – unless Red Dwarf XI really was just a happy fun time where no bad things happened at all.

  8. G&T Admin

    What’s wrong with wanting everything to be released at the same time? No one is railing against digital releases, it’s the staggering that’s the problem. I’m not entirely sure why that’s so difficult to grasp.

  9. G&T Admin

    Oh look, another piece where a fan complains that material is released in a way that makes it more widely available and doesn’t make them feel like a special unique snowflake.

    No comments on the extras themselves since I will check them out when I get the XI DVD, but the whole ongoing complaints from some on this site that it isn’t actually 1992 anymore come off as being over-entitled pricks.

    I have no issue with the extras being released as downloads. I have an issue with them being released with no prior announcement, no fanfare and seemingly no plan. It’s about respecting the audience enough to give the impression that they know what they’re doing. If there’d have been so much as a tweet in the last few days, let alone a TOS article or on-air announcement, stating that the extras would be released online today, I wouldn’t be moaning.

    Given your comment about me being unhappy that it’s not 1992 any more, I assume you’re unaware that my day job is as a digital producer in the TV industry. My career is built on the question of how best to integrate traditional linear TV with online platforms. I believe that the two can co-exist peacefully, so it matters to me that these things are done right. My issue is not with what’s being done, it’s with how badly it’s being managed.

  10. If everything was released at once it’d make more business sense, and would make more of a media impact. It’s not *just* a fan entitlement thing. Reading between the lines, XI has slightly underperformed numbers-wise, so that’s not even a theoretical criticism. Red Dwarf’s social media impact has been the one thing knitting all of this together, and the release strategy has harmed it.

    Everyone’s too exhausted from trying to keep up over the six episodes to get angry about this anymore, but it’s obviously yet another fucking stupid release decision in two months of fucking stupid release decisions. It’s a testament to the general air of disillusionment that this isn’t even a surprise anymore.

    As to the overly hurried content leaving an underwhelming aftertaste, though again I’m not surprised I appreciate the heads-up and will adjust my blinkers accordingly. Such a shame.

    Fun fact – there’s more unseen footage from VI on the Smeg Ups VHS than there is unseen footage from XI on its own DVD. The future, there.

  11. It’s odd given how important Red Dwarf has been to UKTV/Dave that it’s being treated in such a bizarrely amateurish, half-arsed way. I’m all for synchronicity in releasing, but as Ian said, even if the digital extras have to come before everything else, why haven’t they been promoted? Also, why only on these platforms, why are the trailers free on one and not the other etc. It’s just all been handled so messily that it suggests the distributors haven’t any respect for the parent show.

  12. I found the documentary really underwhelming. It didn’t really have an awful lot to say for its 50 mins, which is probably a product of everything more or less running smoothly. Still I’m glad we got it and had something more from this series to devour, but unlike past series I can’t see it being a documentary to return to. My only real take away from it is wigs, masks, cutdown sets (and you can see why the lighting for the bunk room was so dark considering how little detail it seems to have compared to series X) and … well that’s about it.

    The smeg ups provided some real laughs, although it’s a shame so many of them were featured in the documentary.

    The deleted scenes raise one question. Why did they re-shoot their entire first personality machine scene. It’s a different set with a different machine chair/prop etc … but word for word it’s identical. There must be a story there which isn’t told, and something that would have enriched the documentary. Also be interested to know why the Officer Rimmer pop corn scene was re-shot. As that was better IMO than the broadcast scene. OK that’s two questions raised. The rest thought I can see why bits were cut for time and pacing. Nothing of great value lost.

    Also interesting to note there were at least 2 scenes where the crew do the old lean and Starbug turns that ended up being cut. Wonder why that was. Looked naff in the edit? Who knows. Again, something the documentary should have covered.

  13. i am assuming when it comes to the extra that any money that would have gone on dvd extras was actually used in the series budget which is why no commentaries and stuff

  14. i am assuming when it comes to the extra that any money that would have gone on dvd extras was actually used in the series budget which is why no commentaries and stuff

    Didn’t Doug say they were going to release commentaries online or something, ala Inside No 9? I remember something being mentioned on a Live Dwarfcast and my commenting that it’s been done before, with the latter. I can’t remember the details though.

  15. Pretty disappointed that the Twentica escape sequence isn’t there.

  16. i am assuming when it comes to the extra that any money that would have gone on dvd extras was actually used in the series budget which is why no commentaries and stuff

    Didn’t Doug say they were going to release commentaries online or something, ala Inside No 9? I remember something being mentioned on a Live Dwarfcast and my commenting that it’s been done before, with the latter. I can’t remember the details though.

    Someone asked about commentaries and he said they weren’t included in the extras but that he “had an idea” or something along those lines. We’re kinda guessing there’ll be something released to download but nothing is confirmed as far as I know

  17. I downloaded the series pass and cancelled my DVD pre-order. If I had more cash to throw around then of course I would have bought both!

    I enjoyed the extras package but it doesn’t colour my life like it used to. I think that Ian said something on the last Dwarf Cast about it being increasingly challenging to juggle Red Dwarf and real life.

    It’s like Kettle chips – have they changed or have I?

    All that said – XI has made 2016 so much better than it would have been.

  18. What a shitshow.

    UKTV have been diabolical outside of commissioning Red Dwarf XI in the first place.

  19. Worth noting that those who bought the season pass via BBC Store (who are a shopfront for the *actual distributor* let’s not forget) get no extras at all despite them being set up to offer bonus features now. I didn’t (personally I really struggle to get on with buy-to-keep if I’m paying for anything other than a nice downloadable file that trusts me to do what I want with it, and that is miserably rare for video), but how ludicrously unfair to those that did given the complete lack of warning.

  20. I just tweeted Doug to ask about commentaries. I was looking forward to seeing the back projected escape sequence! Also, what was the rudest joke in Red Dwarf ever that was cut from Can Of Worms mentioned by Alex in the Garbage Podcast?

  21. It’s like Kettle chips – have they changed or have I??

    The roofs of our mouths have grown weaker with age and less willing to accept resistance.

  22. G&T Admin

    Just watched it all. I’ll save my more substantial thoughts for our future coverage, but wow, there’s a hell of a lot missing from the deleted scenes, just from the two episodes I saw recorded.

  23. Worth noting that those who bought the season pass via BBC Store (who are a shopfront for the *actual distributor* let’s not forget) get no extras at all despite them being set up to offer bonus features now. I didn’t (personally I really struggle to get on with buy-to-keep if I’m paying for anything other than a nice downloadable file that trusts me to do what I want with it, and that is miserably rare for video), but how ludicrously unfair to those that did given the complete lack of warning.

    I very nearly got the season pass, and from the BBC Store too, a few weeks ago before deciding to stick it out and wait for the DVD. I would’ve been so pissed off right now if I had.

    As for the trailers being free on one but not the other, it’s a bit of a rip off to expect people to pay for them at all when they’re available free online anyway.

  24. Watching these extras makes me wish that Red Dwarf Teh Rushes actually existed.

  25. Re: “missing” deleted scenes: We already know some scenes in XI episodes were deleted and reshot for XII episodes. Is it not possible this could be the case with most of what’s missing here? If so, it’d make sense why it’s not included here as Doug and the team won’t want to spoil Series XII episodes on the XI DVD. Just hope that in such cases the versions originally shot for XI are included on the XII DVD along with a note on which XI episode they were originally shot for.

  26. I haven’t read any of the comments above so apologies if I’m just repeating someone else.

    Decided against watching the BTS, but did watch the trailers. Nice to include the XI/XII announcements, and the full trailer-trailer, and showing them with dates, which often get taken away on DVD collections.
    However, a shame that the idents and other bits and bobs – the other ‘cold chill’ trailer edit, for example, and wasn’t there another New trailer a couple of weeks ago? – weren’t included. I can understand the Scents Of Humour trailer not being included because of the other shows, but not as comprehensive a collection as I’d’ve liked.

  27. G&T should wait for the physical release to do any reviews. If for no other reason than because I’m eagerly anticipating The Sticker: The Definitive G&T Verdict. DOES THE DOWNLOAD VERSION COME WITH A STICKER NO IT DOES NOT.

  28. Is the version of Twentica on the DVD the longer version that was shown at the screenings? I’m wondering if that’s where the escape sequence is.

  29. > (and you can see why the lighting for the bunk room was so dark considering how little detail it seems to have compared to series X)

    Indeed. Though IMO too much of X was shot on the bunk room set (though it’s not like they had much choice…) so to simplify it for XI, and put more effort into the science room and Starbug sets was most definitely the right path to take. Saying that, the XII bunk room looks much improved!

    > Is the version of Twentica on the DVD the longer version that was shown at the screenings? I’m wondering if that’s where the escape sequence is.

    Well the Twentica on iTunes is the broadcast version, though I don’t think the escape scene was included in the original screening cut either. Afaik there were only a couple of moments they got rid of – Kryten playing the saxophone and Cat introducing Rimmer at the door. That could be total bollocks though…

    As for the documentary…it’s pretty blatant that they had a brief – ‘everything’s lovely!’ which is NOT necessarily a bad thing, considering it follows ‘We’re Smegged’ which was relatively brutal (albeit ten times more interesting, partly because of that). It’s all well and good, but doesn’t live up to past docs, where we got much more info. Maybe they think we don’t wanna know about what cameras were used and a little more about the budget etc. but I reckon I speak for everyone when I say YES we bloody well wanna know it ALL!! Okay, I’m sure some of it will crop up on the XII doc, but still… could they really not have squeezed in another 10-15 minutes? Now I’m praying Doug can do commentaries for the series so he can talk about all the stuff not covered here. :)

  30. Annoyingly, I just bought the season pass on iTunes to check these out, and they don’t appear to be available for me.

  31. I’ve just looked at iTunes and the bonus features do indeed seem to have disappeared.

    Additional: They’re still on Play Store though.

    What a flamingo-up.

  32. G&T Admin

    Hmm. Still there on Play Store.

  33. G&T Admin

    The copies I downloaded to my iPad yesterday still work, but they’re gone from the series listing. So it was a mistake after all? Or is this the mistake?

  34. I’m guessing that BBC Store kicked up a fuss that iTunes and Google jumped the gun, so iTunes took it down, and Google are like “Bonus features? What bonus features? Sorry, we don’t work weekends, we’ll do something about it tommorrow *snicker*” {/my uninformed opinion}

  35. All that’s left now is for them to release all the series XII episodes in one go in a couple of weeks for 15minutes before removing them and then accidentally deleting every single version and back up of them in existence.

  36. You have to stand in awe at the level of shitshow we’ve bore witness to these past few weeks. It’s unprecedented.

  37. You have to stand in awe at the level of shitshow we’ve bore witness to these past few weeks. It’s unprecedented.

    Maybe it’s an immersive experience. It’s all been handled as if Rimmer was in charge or distribution. Except we didn’t know we were taking part because he forgot to tell us.

  38. Everything seems to be present and correct for me. Using iTunes and the vids are still sat there ready for download or stream. Odd.

  39. Everything seems to be present and correct for me. Using iTunes and the vids are still sat there ready for download or stream. Odd.

    If you already have them, you have them, but they’re no longer available otherwise.

  40. Just watched the XI documentary via Play (paid for HD but anything above 480 was refusing to play ball on my setup without slowing down and wrenching out of sink, so that was a fun use of 60p). In fairness, it’s actually very good for what it is, not too dissimilar to the BTE ones, but what it is isn’t much of anything. Basically, as already said by others, it feels as though it ends before it’s done, with loads missing and a XI trademark abrupt ending. On any other release of anything it wouldn’t be so notable, but it sticks out like a sore thumb on a Dwarf release.

    The problems are nothing to do with what’s there (which is great), it’s all about what’s not. It feels like it’s breathlessly racing towards a maximum running time limit and that somewhere I have a feeling that there’s a rough cut that feels a lot more familiar in pace. The studio nights are especially hard done by – nearly the whole documentary focuses on pre-production and taping the inserts. I also expected to see breakdowns of the Rimmer splitscreens, a look at the barbershop quartet, stuff about bringing the Polymorph back and doing the new model/transformations, filming the animals in Can Of Worms, the Cat’s birth scene, the Mexican standoff sequence, stuff with the audience, anything with Howard Burden and the costume department, a discussion of the new look and lighting style, constructing the models, the miniature shoot. Literally NONE of that is there, and this is stuff that the BTE and X docs *would* have included. Can Of Worms gets least of all (literally less than two minutes), but none of these episodes get what you could comfortably call an Ellardian making-of featurette as we know it (which even We’re Smegged found room for). We don’t even get much in the way of the cast’s opinions on anything, or their favourite episodes, or anything in the way of anecdotes particularly. It’s all just… there.

    What I feel like I’ve seen is an edited TV version of a much longer two-hour piece, like you get when they broadcast standup videos at Christmas, but the biggest criticisms I can make are that (a) I didn’t feel like I learned that much about the production, and (b) I wasn’t particularly amused or entertained by it either – the RD documentaries have traditionally always been REALLY funny in places and this just wasn’t. Ultimately, the lack of an actual title means we’ve been deliberately prepped not to see this as the latest instalment in the documentary series we know and love, and that’s because it really clearly isn’t. A bit like how We’re Smegged was so comprehensive as to not make the absence of a commentary that bad, it’s a documentary that would be more than fine if there *was* also a commentary there. But there isn’t. I’m only going off what people in this thread have said about the deleted scenes/outtakes, and we know nothing of the “Model Shots” extra other than that it’s 20 minutes long, but it’s looking like we’ve been short changed from pretty much every conceivable angle.

    Still, thank god we’ve got the subtitled Facebook trailers in 1080p. I can sleep safe tonight knowing that.

  41. As a lot of people said when the content was originally revealed, generally DVD extras seem to be lacking these days, so it’s a decent set in comparison, and the shorter nature of it all could well be at least partially to do with simply a sign of the times.
    That said, the whole thing really just seems totally odd given just how brilliant the past DVDs have been. Even the (relative) disappointment of the X DVD was somewhat off-set by the brilliance of We’re Smegged. But given the many, many hours of extras we’ve had in the past, it’s really difficult to feel anything other than disappointed by how brief this all is.
    Throw in the bizarre appearance of stuff online early, plus niggling little things like the design differences on the reversed sleeve, and the whole thing just feels like it’s been done with far less care and attention than before, which just seems so sad given that the show itself is, for a large number of people at least, currently better than it has been in almost 25 years.

    (Un)interesting story: Red Dwarf I-III were the first TV series I bought on DVD (in fact I’d only bought a couple of films prior to it purely to try out the DVD drive on my new laptop, and not even thought about extras), and I bought them partially based on reading a review (quite possibly here) of how good the extras were. It was such a joy to suddenly have all this ‘new’ Dwarf material, hours and hours worth all in one go. Coupled with the fact that this was the first time I’d seen non-Remastered versions of some of the episodes – and thus plenty of new jokes – it resparked my love of the show that had definitely waned in the post-VIII drought (or the post-VI drought, if I’m feeling particularly snarky). The following five DVDs were marked down in my calendar and approached with the same excitement as an album release by my favourite band (something I’ve never had with other DVDs). The Back to Earth DVD, with its excellent documentaries and even more excellent commentary from Doug, helped me reassess that story and once again make me excited about the future of the show. The Red Dwarf DVDs set the bar incredibly high for DVD packages for me, and to be honest – other than classic Doctor Who – I’ve always been disappointed with other DVD packages I’ve bought. The boxsets of The League of Gentlemen and Spaced fared pretty well (thanked by a certain similar ‘geeky’ fanbase, I’m sure), but nothing ever really came close to the I-VIII Dwarf DVDs. So when we get a release like this, it just feels like such a wasted opportunity. Why go down the popular path of unexceptional DVDs now, when the Dwarf DVDs were always better than largely unexceptional ones anyway? They’ve always been ahead of the game, it’s so sad to see that disappear.

    Hmm, that was more emotional than I expected. But I can genuinely put part of the reason I’m still such a big fan after all these days down to the DVDs. So I felt the need to say it.

  42. I’ve expressed my feelings about it before in a slightly rantier way, but I agree, it is genuinely upsetting to see the Dwarf DVD range belittled. Agree completely as well about how it used to be like your favourite band bringing out an album every spring and autumn. And let’s not forget this was the range that put out a 4-disc box set of ‘extra extras’ to the ultra-hardcore for an RRP of £50 and still turned over a profit on it – this is a viable market. The DVDs were a natural extension of the Smeg Ups/Smeg Outs/Six Of The Best/Xtended/Remastered videos which aimed to take the show further than just the TV broadcasts, and they existed in the way they did due to the ambition and encouragement of a guy at BBC Video called Ross McGinley who really pushed the button for things like commentaries and archive trawls (he commissioned Six Of The Best which is obviously a prototype DVD commentary) and nursed the Dwarf DVDs under GNP as well as other ambitious titles like The League Of Gentlemen releases (which featured the first ever commentary on a BBC DVD). He was really all for fans getting a good deal because it actively strengthened brands for the future, and it’s a shame to see his efforts in ruin these days when Red Dwarf’s stuff is getting downsized et al. For execs now to just passively blame ‘the market’ is bad business sense – just because the market now requires a bit more ingenuity to win at doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be done.

    (Also glad it’s not just me who had to wait until the DVDs to see some of the episodes in non-Remastered form – that’s always been of particular embarrassment to me!)

  43. I’ve expressed my feelings about it before in a slightly rantier way, but I agree, it is genuinely upsetting to see the Dwarf DVD range belittled. Agree completely as well about how it used to be like your favourite band bringing out an album every spring and autumn. And let’s not forget this was the range that put out a 4-disc box set of ‘extra extras’ to the ultra-hardcore for an RRP of £50 and still turned over a profit on it – this is a viable market. The DVDs were a natural extension of the Smeg Ups/Smeg Outs/Six Of The Best/Xtended/Remastered videos which aimed to take the show further than just the TV broadcasts, and they existed in the way they did due to the ambition and encouragement of a guy at BBC Video called Ross McGinley who really pushed the button for things like commentaries and archive trawls (he commissioned Six Of The Best which is obviously a prototype DVD commentary) and nursed the Dwarf DVDs under GNP as well as other ambitious titles like The League Of Gentlemen releases (which featured the first ever commentary on a BBC DVD). He was really all for fans getting a good deal because it actively strengthened brands for the future, and it’s a shame to see his efforts in ruin these days when Red Dwarf’s stuff is getting downsized et al. For execs now to just passively blame ‘the market’ is bad business sense – just because the market now requires a bit more ingenuity to win at doesn’t mean it can’t or shouldn’t be done.

    (Also glad it’s not just me who had to wait until the DVDs to see some of the episodes in non-Remastered form – that’s always been of particular embarrassment to me!)

    Here’s a thought. Is it possible that UKTV or whomever is responsible for things like this now diverted money away from DVD extras to produce the mobile game? We’re all kinda complaining that the extra material around the show is a bit poor (though we haven’t seen all of it, still some model shots to get a look at) but we do seem to be forgetting that we’re getting a game that covers all 6 episodes and has been regularly updated over the last few weeks. If Samsara drops this week, and we continue to get regularly (more or less weekly updates) and each episode comes out every 6 weeks then the guys at Game Digits have bagged themselves a project for 36 weeks plus all the pre-release production that went into so probably close to a full year. Now I can’t imagine they’re working on it full time, but a healthy amount of time is being devoted to it for which they would bill for.

    So, could we be seeing a dip in DVD extra quality because of this?

    And this is by no means a complaint, if that is the reason then fair enough I say. It’s a new avenue that I’m glad they’ve explored and I’ve really enjoyed what has been released so far and look forward to the other 5 episodes over the coming months.

    On another note, thinking about the documentary itself, as I’ve said above it feels like there are stories not told that should have been. Given that the series was shot back to back, all the behind the scenes stuff would be too … I wonder if it wouldn’t be worth considering the documentary part 1 of 2. With the second part really completing the story and filling in some gaps. Proof yet again Red Dwarf can’t do multi-parters :p

  44. If that’s true, and the game is partially the reason, then that would be easier to take. But at the same time, I find that hard to believe, simply because I can’t work out what it is that would have cost extortionately more to make the existing extras longer. Knowing that some scenes have been reshot for XII obviously makes a case for an ‘incomplete’ deleted scenes, but I’d take an educated guess and suggest that that’s not all of them; still, asking a few more questions and including longer answers on the documentary, including more smeg-ups etc.: – it can’t cost THAT much more money, can it? I know sod all about the process, so maybe one of the many industry types here might be able to correct me and say that editing these things in would actually take a lot of time and money.

    But taking Darrell’s point about the Bodysnatcher Collection and going further – this boxset included previously lost deleted scenes from earlier series! They scraped the barrel (not in a bad way – it was a wonderful barrel full of goodness right down to the last drop) for the DVD range, including almost every imaginable scene they could get their hands on. It’s just so unfathomable that they can do that for a DVD that is a glorified set of extras purely for the hardcore fans, yet can’t do more for the standard extras of a staggeringly well received new series.

    The two part element of the documentary may well be true, we could see more about certain things on the XII documentary, but that won’t shake off the fact that a lot of XI-specific elements of it don’t seem to be given as much time or depth as before.

  45. G&T Admin

    I know sod all about the process, so maybe one of the many industry types here might be able to correct me and say that editing these things in would actually take a lot of time and money.

    Well, with editing you basically get what you pay for. The more time you spend on logging, pulling footage together, fine tuning, grading, sound mix, etc, the more money it costs – you’re paying for the editor and possibly an assistant editor and/or edit producer, as well as the kit they’re using and the room they’re sitting in. All told it’s anything from the mid-hundreds to the early-thousands per day. So if you’ve got a finite budget, you’ve got to scale your ambitions accordingly. Basically, an extra day or two to get things perfect isn’t always an option.

    So for me the question seems to be not why they didn’t do better, more why they weren’t allowed to do better.

  46. I see. In which case, that leads to my next question of industry ignorance: who decides exactly how much funding the DVD has, and what goes on it? Obviously 2 Entertain and Baby Cow are involved so it’s not quite black and white, but I always imagine given that GNP are involved, Doug would have quite a big say in it. But maybe I’m totally wrong there. I do find it bizarre that he wanted a commentary but couldn’t have one, on his own programme.

  47. And let’s not forget this was the range that put out a 4-disc box set of ‘extra extras’ to the ultra-hardcore for an RRP of £50 and still turned over a profit on it – this is a viable market.

    My understanding was that the Bodysnatcher Collection *didn’t* do that well commercially, hence why it hasn’t been reprinted since that unfortunate arson business?

  48. I can’t buy series XI, which means either it’s been pulled on Google Play as well, or they hate Australians (though swapping to a UK IP didn’t help). Both are likely.

  49. It’s likely the DVD/extras budget is close to what they had for X but spread across the XI and XII releases.

    I guess we should be thankful that we have had XI with great sets, impressive location footage, an audience etc. The money has been onscreen. Perhaps some of that has eaten away at the extras budget?

  50. I bought the Play Store content. I’m happy that I can be heard shouting my love for Bobby in the smeg ups. I was that lucky excitable audience member. I also agree that although the content is all great it all seems rather brief. Perhaps we should all just be grateful that this series has been so exceptionally brilliant. On a different note I’m loving that I can now hear the Red Dwarf voice in the theme tune. Magic.

  51. A friendly Amazon delivery driver just dropped off the Bluray two days early, in true XI tradition.

  52. G&T Admin

    I preordered all the iterations on Amazon as soon as they were available, and I have received fuck all. The audience remains split.

  53. Right, (non-steelbook, RDXII-titles fuck-up) blu-ray received, extras watched. Best go back and see what everyone else’s said so far.

  54. The image gallery is nice. All the storyboards are on there plus an amazing photo of Ray Peacock stealing popcorn that I want as a poster.

    The model shot rushes… are… erm… there? If anyone used to watch the ones on the I-VI DVDs for a spacey, somnambulistic mellow-out, you’ll be disappointed unless you have a thing for blue cloth and big wooden sticks.

  55. Okay, a lot of my thoughts are pretty much already expressed in these two posts from James and Darrell:

    http://www.ganymede.tv/2016/10/lets-talk-about-the-extras-on-itunesplay-store/#comment-85929
    http://www.ganymede.tv/2016/10/lets-talk-about-the-extras-on-itunesplay-store/#comment-85980

    I’ve enjoyed the lot. The Behind The Scenes was nowhere near as poor as I’d feared (partly from the lack of a title or the word “documentary”, but also partly from the odd comment I e seen here and there online), and I thoroughly enjoyed it. I think the lack of detail of *any* of the many uses of split screen seen across this past series is one of the main disappointments there.
    The deleted scenes…I could see why a couple were cut. The full length Cat visiting Lister scene from Give & Take is just faaaar too long. Starbug scenes where Chris Barrie can be seen peeling bits of script from his console. And the opening of Can of Worms definitely benefitted from a reshoot. The graphic of the head looked a bit, well, pony, for a start.
    Smeg-Ups – yes, some had already been seen in the BTS feature (three or four, I think), so it was just a matter of seeing them from a different angle, really.
    I said before about how short the Trailers section was – I have a lot more than those recorded (onto a VHS tape, no less) at home. Shame there isn’t more. Also, never noticed how horrifically wide that gap between the W and the A in the XI/XII announcement promo was before. *shudder*
    The VFX and Model shots sections were nice. Though the Models may have benefited from something to fill the silence. Also, am I out of line to say how much I prefer the old ‘Bug? The legs of the new model annoy me when they’re bent. From the front, when flying towards camera, the front legs almost look like they’re bent towards each other in contrast to the back legs, which are splayed wide, in a way which would be banned in many states. Plus the writing annoys me. The height and angle of the Starbug 1 on the back, and the lack of the small name on the cockpit section, and the 1 on the front of the mid-section…oh, ignore me, I’m being pedantic.
    The inclusion of storyboards in the Image Gallery is lovely.

    As has been mentioned before in discussions about the BtE and RDX DVDs, we’ve been spoilt by the Series 1-VIII releases. We get an amazing extras, more, and of the highest quality, than many, many other releases. But we’ve not had (spoilt brat splitting hairs coming up) booklets, which is a shame, or commentaries (which we’ve all discussed at length many times). But we haven’t got an animated menu this year. We’ve got a lovely menu intro (the logo introduction is excellent), but the selection from just a list, and no chapter selection screen, either) is just a bit of a shame.
    But I’m just being needlessly pernickety.

    Oh, and there’s no sticker. Bastards.

  56. The overediting kills the Smeg Ups reel. There’s no buildup or aftermath or atmosphere, at points it’s literally just cut down to the swearing (which is bleeped anyway, so it’s just a montage of bleeps). You know that bit on Smeg Outs where they show a montage of Lovett swearing as a punchline to “I’m not usually rude”? The whole thing’s to the rhythm of that.

    They’ve shot themselves in the foot though as that reel can’t be resold to TV outtakes compilations as has happened a couple of times since X was made (Entangled outtakes on IBAOTN, ‘Comedy Bloopers’ last Xmas…). And those things pay serious money.

  57. I like bobby’s smeg skid up.

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