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  • #2338

    Pete Part Three

    You know; on DVD or TV repeat? What was the episode and was it as good/bad as you remember?

    #80279

    Phil

    Missed this week’s due to a collapsed lung. Did they make it back to Earth!?

    #80280

    Pete Part Three

    Sadly not. I can’t believe (here be spoilers) that Bexley died though.

    #80282

    Dave

    I don’t think that was Bexley. I think it was Jim’s clone.

    It looks like next week’s ep is set in a GELF salon on Bolanski

    #80284

    Zombie Jim Undead

    I’m so happy with this series so far. Now Rob and Doug are back together the scripts really shine.

    Still don’t think that Ice Cube is very good as Holly, though.

    #80285

    TheLeen

    I want to see the new dwarf!

    You bloody Brits and your bloody ITV!

    I will stay away from this thread and its spoilers now until I can watch the German episodes of “iZwerg” and compare them for you.

    #80286

    Seb Patrick

    Murray Gold’s new arrangement of the theme music is SHIT, though.

    #80288

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    The switch to using flash-forwards in the new series is really interesting, I think. Lister and Kochanski living together and looking after Michael McGruder is a bit dull, but I’m loving the stuff with Kryten working as a hitman for Ackerman.

    #80289

    Zombie Jim Undead

    Hmmm. I just wish they’d get on with the bloody story and get that hatch opened.

    #80290

    Paul Muller

    Enjoyed the first episode, in particular the bits where Blue Midget goes up a cat’s arse, and the twelve seperate occasions where everyone gets an erection.

    #80292

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    Do you know what? I reckon that Rimmer is mad, in a coma *and* back in time.

    #80293

    Ridley

    Which one’s Nick Frost again?

    #80294

    Pete Part Three

    What I don’t understand is why Rimmer is no longer working for the JMC and why his Dad keeps on appearing. Is he a space-mirage?

    [EDIT:

    >Do you know what? I reckon that Rimmer is mad, in a coma *and* back in time.

    Ah, that explains it!]

    And why did they write out Kryten? Was the actor busy?

    That scene set in a supermarket made no sense whatsoever. As if Holly would work there!

    #80295

    Ben Paddon

    Just finished watching the ep after downloading it last night. Overall I thought the story was good, but the pauses every six minutes for Lister to have yet another Appendectomy just seemed poorly shot. Anyone else get the impression that they were filmed much later to pad the episode out?

    #80310

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >The switch to using flash-forwards in the new series is really interesting, I think. Lister and Kochanski living together and looking after Michael McGruder is a bit dull,

    Okay, am I the only one here who just can’t stand Michael McGruder? He’s obviously the author’s pet, ‘cos he doesn’t have anything resembling a real flaw, and nothing really bad ever happens to him except so that everyone can mourn it as The Worst Thing That Ever Happened In The History Of The Universe, Ever. GAH! And oh, God, that painfully contrived “romance” with Todhunter’s daughter…

    #80311

    Phil

    I nominate this thread for Hall of Fame induction.

    #80314

    Danny Stephenson

    G&T Admin

    I recognised the GELFs in the newest episode as the Firey’s from Labyrinth. That was a stroke of genius, and getting them to sing the ending theme was just awesome. Danny john-Jules finally got to sing a version for an aired episode. Good on him!

    #80316

    Dave

    Agreed, this is series so much better than Series XVI.

    I was worried about the recasting of Bob & Madge, but they have been more than vindicated by that ultra-violent domestic abuse scene.

    #80321

    Ben Paddon

    The teaser for next week’s episode looks good, although I could do without the Ace Rimmer rear-end shot. They’ve been talking about him returning and “coming out” for a while now, but there’s a fine line between good taste and Just Plain Stupid.

    #80322

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >The teaser for next week?s episode looks good, although I could do without the Ace Rimmer rear-end shot. They?ve been talking about him returning and ?coming out? for a while now, but there?s a fine line between good taste and Just Plain Stupid.

    I think they’re just giving the fangirls/slashfic community a bit of fanservice, there. Lots of ficcers keep Lister/Ace Rimmer as their One True Pairing. Or Arnold Rimmer/Ace Rimmer, tho’ I think that’s kind of weird. Or even Michael McGruder/Ace Rimmer (bleah).

    #80324

    Pete Part Three

    Did everyone get the significance of the empty washing up bowl? Very clever, I thought.

    #80329

    Phil

    Finally got to see this thanks to a friend with a metal plate in his skull.

    I have mixed feelings. I mean, was it ever mentioned before that Lister had a dog before he went into stasis? And how, exactly, did it get “fast fossilized” when everyone else on board the ship was just vaporized?

    Some really good moments throughout (Scrappy, the janitor, is an excellent new character and a great addition, and I really enjoyed the wrestling scene between Kochanski and Pete Tranter’s sister) but I hope I’m not alone in feeling that it was VERY out of character for Kryten to toss the dog into the lava pit. (Why did they have one of those on board, anyway?)

    All in all a 7/10, but if you don’t cry during the ending sequence that shows Lister’s dog waiting for him for three million years set to the tune of Don’t Go Breakin’ My Heart, then you’ve got no soul man. No soul.

    #80332

    John Hoare

    G&T Admin

    FUCKING FILM EFFECT FUCK OFF

    #80337

    Paul Muller

    I’m still not sure about Doug Naylor singing over the closing credits, but I think the full-time addition of Bird Man to the crew is great. I think the one thing a sitcom will always benefit from is a comedy Welshman – look at Dad’s Army!

    Best scene so far? Kryten masturbating into Kochanski’s tea.

    #80339

    Pete Part Three

    I wish Craig Charles would stop breaking the 4th wall and addressing the audience, it really spoils the reality of the show.

    Not sure that teenage pregnancy is a fitting subject for a sitcom, either. I know it’s a valid issue but it got REALLY downbeat at one point with the b+w montage and the Esther Rantzen cameo.

    #80340

    Seb Patrick

    Right, so we know that five of the JMC Six are Lister, Rimmer, Kochanski, Kryten and Ackerman (McGruder doesn’t count as he was born after the ship left, obviously). So who’s the last one? I’ve got a feeling it’s NOT going to be the Cat, which would just be crazy…

    #80343

    Ben Paddon

    Also, I find that Captain Hollister’s new character quirk of happy-slapping people he sees eating donuts to be a bit much. It’s taken the throw-away “Dennis the Donut Boy” gag to unnecessary limits, if you ask me.

    #80350

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    Right, so we know that five of the JMC Six are Lister, Rimmer, Kochanski, Kryten and Ackerman (McGruder doesn?t count as he was born after the ship left, obviously). So who?s the last one? I?ve got a feeling it?s NOT going to be the Cat, which would just be crazy…

    Well, we know Cat’s not going to leave now that he’s taking over from Hollister as the “chosen one”.

    #80364

    Phil

    I’m having trouble understanding how much of series XV was part of Rimmer’s dream. Obviously it’s clear by now that he never bought the hotel on Mimas and employed Hollister as the lowly bellman, who then had to cater to a hilariously rude but famous orangutan, and that Cat did not really win the Fish-For-A-Lifetime Sweepstakes. But how come Lister remembers solving all of those curry-related murders since we’ve only ever seen his detective agency in connection with those two stories?

    Still not convinced Kryten could have gotten Kochanski pregnant, either. The synthetic sperm explanation was logical, sure, but I’m not sure why they would have bothered having it installed…

    #80365

    Phil

    Also, whomever knocked this thread off the front page deserves to die.

    #80367

    Joey

    >>The switch to using flash-forwards in the new series is really interesting, I think. Lister and Kochanski living together and looking after Michael McGruder is a bit dull, but I?m loving the stuff with Kryten working as a hitman for Ackerman.

    HA!

    #80368

    Dave

    >Also, whomever knocked this thread off the front page deserves to die.

    And with something as substandard as that Lucky Bobby bollocks as well

    #80370

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >Still not convinced Kryten could have gotten Kochanski pregnant, either. The synthetic sperm explanation was logical, sure, but I?m not sure why they would have bothered having it installed?

    Speaking of, I know it’s been with him for ages and it’s practically tradition for him to have it, but does anyone else think the writers have really been overusing the artificial penis lately? I mean, Kryten all but whips it out every five minutes–it’s been used so often and for so many different purposes, it’s practically a magic wand now. Give it a rest, writers, and stop using the artificial penis as a crutch. It’s lazy writing.

    #80380

    Pete Part Three

    Does anyone know if the sponsor adverts for Vagisil come out of the running time of the episode, or the alloted commercial break time?

    #80386

    Ben Paddon

    Arleeeeeeene!
    Speaking of, I know it?s been with him for ages and it?s practically tradition for him to have it, but does anyone else think the writers have really been overusing the artificial penis lately? I mean, Kryten all but whips it out every five minutes?it?s been used so often and for so many different purposes, it?s practically a magic wand now. Give it a rest, writers, and stop using the artificial penis as a crutch. It?s lazy writing.

    I stopped paying attention after he used it to remove Lister’s appendix three or four times towards the end of the episode. Incidentally did anyone actually count how many appendixes Lister’s had taken out now? I lost count – I think it’s twelve, not including the ones he had removed prior to his trip into the Genetic Makeover Machine (which, bluntly, I think was just a device invented by the writers to re-cast the role).

    #80387

    Jonathan Capps

    G&T Admin

    YOU WATCHED IT. YOU CAN’T *UN*WATCH IT.

    #80389

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >Incidentally did anyone actually count how many appendixes Lister?s had taken out now? I lost count – I think it?s twelve, not including the ones he had removed prior to his trip into the Genetic Makeover Machine (which, bluntly, I think was just a device invented by the writers to re-cast the role).

    Y’know, initially I really had my doubts about the recasting (you remember, after Craig Charles’ kinky sex tape got leaked to the public), but I think it’s worked out.

    Now, Ricky Gervais’ turn as Arnold Rimmer–that was terrible. It’s a good thing he didn’t stick around, huh?

    >YOU WATCHED IT. YOU CAN?T *UN*WATCH IT.

    You say that almost like we don’t have a right to complain. This is the Internet; what else is it for? (Besides porn.)

    #80390

    Phil

    >Now, Ricky Gervais? turn as Arnold Rimmer?that was terrible.

    His turn as Kryten however…mwah! Perfecto.

    #80391

    peas_and_corn

    I must say that series XIV remains my favourite. This is mainly because it was all one long arc, and we all know from experience that Dwarf fans love having ‘to be continued’ displayed at the end of as many episodes in a series as possible. Not only that, but the shipwide AIDS epidemic was handled brilliantly. The proposed solution of removing everyone’s appendix was somewhat hard to believe, but then again Kryten did it, and he did have magical powers for the series.

    BUT I digress. XVI is a good series so far, but what about Lister’s third GELF bride? I mean, a new condom vending machine in the disco was required, but surely marrying was a bit too silly. Of course Rimmer’s fluent GELF (well, he does have a thing for languages) created a great situation for them to annul the marriage, but it all felt a bit much like padding- and what’s with the set they used for the trial? black and white floors and no backdrop? LAME.

    #80395

    Ben Paddon

    GNP are livecasting the next episode live online for free all day Friday. You can catch the broadcast here from 12pm BST, and then on the hour every hour afterwards until the episode is broadcast on Groovy Funky Channel 27 in the evening. It’s locked out to everyone outside of the UK though, so I’ll have to wait.

    #80404

    Seb Patrick

    So, who do we reckon shot Mr Ackerman?

    I’m betting it was Killcrazy. When Ackerman landed on the sundial, his hands pointed to W and S – meaningless you might think, but remember that in the Mimosian dialect, the words for “West” and “South” are “Kraal” and “Cato’ch”. And as we all know, Ackerman is from Mimas. So in his own language, pointing at those letters would really mean he was pointing at… K.C.

    Of course, why a sundial would have directional markers rather than numbers on it is BEYOND ME.

    #80405

    Pete Part Three

    >Of course, why a sundial would have directional markers rather than numbers on it is BEYOND ME.

    I’ve never actually questioned that before!

    Oh, and how did Rimmer lose the leg? I’m finding it hard keeping up with the series. You’d think ITV2 could find a better timeslot than 1.20am on a Wednesday morning.

    #80407

    Dave

    >So in his own language, pointing at those letters would really mean he was pointing at? K.C.

    Karen Carpenter

    #80408

    Phil

    >I?ve never actually questioned that before!

    I’d hate to bring reality into this discussion, but my old college had a sundial with directional markers as well…that said, it ALSO had numbers (or numerals, I guess I should say). The idea is that the sundial serves a dual purpose. I reckon they left the numbers off the sundial in that particular mystery as it would have been distracting from the main clue.

    Also, I do like they way they set Kryten up to be the obvious suspect. I wonder how many of you realize, though, that Ackerman was shot at 3:30, which, as we know from the television in the background of Parrot’s, is when Channel 27 airs Androids.

    That was a brilliant way of layering the mystery, I thought.

    A less-brilliant move was revealing that Kryten’s surname is actually Connor, just so he could be referred to in the same clue as Kill Crazy.

    Lazy writing.

    Still not as bad as revealing Kevin to be Cat’s first name…

    #80410

    Seb Patrick

    *kisses Phil*

    #80453

    Ben Paddon

    Now they’re putting Lister’s appendixes back in? My Glod, they’ve run out of ideas.

    #80454

    Ridley

    No, no, these are NEW appendixes.

    #80457

    Seb Patrick

    Wow, so McGruder DOES count as one of the JMC Six after all. You know, when it showed them on that shuttle heading towards the press conference on Ganymede, I thought it was being really clever and “hiding” the sixth one. Ah well.

    #80460

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >Wow, so McGruder DOES count as one of the JMC Six after all.

    Oh, God. As if Michael McGruder needed to be made any more of a Speshul Snowflake. Wasn’t being told by the ancient compu-oracle that he was the One Twoo Bearer of the Magical Heart of Red Dwarf that can fix time and Save All Humanity and getting the power to create and manipulate any kind of matter with his mind enough?

    #80464

    philmyer92

    What amazes me is that they manage to fit all this into a 30 minute episode never mind the two advert breaks as well. However the ratings aren?t very good it turns out they only managed to pull in about 20 people. It’s not what it used to be after they changed the colour of red dwarf to the same colours as mr blobby. Never mind what they did to starbug. I mean don’t get me wrong it was a good idea to mark the 10th series by changing the ships colour and making Mr. blobby a regular cast member. But it?s when they brought noel in with his boxes and reviled kryten as the banker from deal or no deal.

    #80467

    Dave

    >It?s not what it used to be after they changed the colour of red dwarf to the same colours as mr blobby

    But is it Ocean Pink or Military Pink?

    #80469

    philmyer92

    Ocean pink because military pink would just look really silly.

    #80472

    Phil

    >So, who do we reckon shot Mr Ackerman?

    I’ve been rewatching that episode a few times over the past couple of days to see if there are any more clues I can pick up on. But each time through I just get more and more disgusted by that scene at the end, where Archie sodomizes the unconscious Ackerman as he’s bent over the sundial, bleeding. Totally unnecessary.

    I mean, there’s bad taste…and then there’s BAD TASTE.

    #80499

    Paul Muller

    “I mean, there?s bad taste?and then there?s BAD TASTE”

    Yeah. I’m not sure about rewriting Kryten as some sort of sinister plastic sex offender, especially as they play it for laughs, a la Benny Hill.

    And anyway, how do they plan to keep up the subplot, I mean he’s raped EVERYONE.

    #80516

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >Yeah. I?m not sure about rewriting Kryten as some sort of sinister plastic sex offender, especially as they play it for laughs, a la Benny Hill.

    Now, see, I disagree–I think it’s daring. And since I have disagreed with you on the Internet, I am obliged to tell you that you are, in fact, worse than Hitler and Stalin cubed; further, I must accuse your mother of having socially unacceptable and possibly risky sexual preferences and habits.

    Nothing personal, of course; but this is the Internet. I don’t write the rules. And what sort of Internet would we have if we didn’t follow the rules?

    #80518

    Phil

    I NOMINATE THIS THREAD FOR HALL OF FAME STATUS.

    #80519

    Tanya Jones

    G&T Admin

    Do we have a Hall of Fame?

    #80520

    Andrew

    It’s more of an airing cupboard.

    #80527

    Pete Part Three

    WOW.

    Have just seen the next episode at a special press screening. Quite a high-profile event. I believe the Bracknell Gazette were there so they’ll be quite a bit of coverage in the media, I’m sure.

    I don’t want to give anything away in advance of the airing later and in light of that cliff-hanger featuring the Cat and the faulty pooper scooper, but here are some disguised quotes:

    “Lister is ****? How the smeg did that happen?”
    “We need to get back to ***** before the **** ******”
    “Just ***** it up my ****. Yeah, I like it like that”

    #80530

    Seb Patrick

    Wow, I can’t believe that Doug Naylor is stepping down as showrunner, with Russell Davies taking over. Where do we think Doug will go now? Will he do series two of Jekyll in Moffat’s absence, do you think?

    #80531

    ChrisM

    That’s just sick. ;)
    Not that I’m an RTD hater.

    #80542

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >Wow, I can?t believe that Doug Naylor is stepping down as showrunner, with Russell Davies taking over. Where do we think Doug will go now? Will he do series two of Jekyll in Moffat?s absence, do you think?

    In retrospect, I should have asked for more time to read the contract. But I signed anyway, ‘cos he said Rose Tyler would be eliminated from canon forever, and nobody would give the Doctor a One Twoo Wuv ever again. I even said to myself, “Hey, he must have something up his sleeve to offer me all this without wanting anything in return”. Really, I ought to have known better. Satan is downright notorious for dishonest dealing.

    …Incidentally, does anyone know how to get candle wax, goat’s blood and sulfur stains out of a carpet? It’s really starting to stink in here.

    #80602

    Pete Part Three

    Woah. I can’t believe they had a scene where the baby T-rex gave Captain Hollister a massage.

    #80606

    Phil

    *I* can’t believe they had Hollister leave the blindfold on the entire time he was cornholing the baby T-rex, believing he was having anal sex with his sexy new housemaid Carla.

    #80646

    peas_and_corn

    >And anyway, how do they plan to keep up the subplot, I mean he?s raped EVERYONE.

    Ahh yes, and someone decided to make a reference to it in the show-

    Lister: Not Chen?
    Holly: Yes, Chen, everybody, everybody’s been raped Dave

    On another topic, it appears that Jamie Oliver will be the new Holly. Apparently he will be saying “Gordon Bennet” at the beginning of every line, which is concerning.

    #80650

    Jason aka Smeg4Brains

    > On another topic, it appears that Jamie Oliver will be the new Holly. Apparently he will be saying ?Gordon Bennet? at the beginning of every line, which is concerning.

    Bill Bailey was definitely the best Holly!

    #80651

    Phil

    >Bill Bailey was definitely the best Holly!

    Seconded.

    Absolutely positively seconded.

    #80685

    Paul Muller

    I can just about live with Oliver.

    But I still don’t understand why the scripts had to be written in rhyming couplets, it just sounds wierd.

    And setting the whole series in a present-day Manhattan publishing house? I’m still not sure about the whole rom-com format, I know it’s being shown on ITV3 but honestly…

    #80712

    John Hoare

    G&T Admin

    Is it just me, or is the use of the Corgi ships in the model shots just getting embarrassing now?

    #80713

    Andrew

    That wasn’t a corgi, it was a dachshund.

    #80722

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    It started off a Scottie, and then they remastered it as a dachshund.

    #80723

    Danny Stephenson

    G&T Admin

    And called it Colin, an obvious homage to the days of Blackadder. But when the remastering process involved just stretching the screen and altering the colour. But they could’ve tried to do it just on the dog…

    #80728

    Ben Paddon

    I don’t care what anyone says, I like the film effect. Always have done.

    It’s the addition of the Barbra Streisand Spooky-Vision that annoys me the most.

    #80732

    Seb Patrick

    How fucking brilliant was the musical episode? Ten whole minutes of Blue Midget dancing! And Craig Charles has got a lovely voice – although I thought having Lister do a rendition of “Who’s Got The Crack?” was probably pushing it a bit.

    #80735

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    Good to see Tony Hawks returning as Morris Minor, with Kryten and Rimmer as the Majors.

    #84129

    Dave

    I hope Doug’s been paying attention.

    #84130

    Phil

    >>Best scene so far? Kryten masturbating into Kochanski?s tea.

    I fucking loved this thread.

    #84132

    Danny Stephenson

    G&T Admin

    Reading back on this, Bill Bailey seriously would make a good Holly!! And it would give us an excuse to meet him face to face at Dimension Jumps..

    #84144

    Paul Muller

    Hi guys. Have just heard that the Series XV DVD will contain the full uncut Kryten/Lister blowjob scene, including gagging,vomiting and a remastered cumshot.

    #84145

    Paul Muller

    Have just read that back and I’m actually disgusted with myself.

    #84146

    Phil

    I’m excited about the in-character commentary during which Archie fucks Hollister for 28 minutes.

    #84147

    Paul Muller

    I’m still not sure about the logic behind that scene. I’m not convinced Hollister would Hollister grant Kryten a full pardon in exchange for an hour alone with Archie to test out his new post-sex-change-op vagina.

    #86034

    Carlito

    To be honest, I think it jumped the shark when they set that entire 24-part series in real time, but on a day when nothing happened. I think they dragged the whole ‘crew catching a good night’s sleep’ arc out at least three episodes too many.

    To whomever commented on Craig Charles’ lovely singing voice in the musical episode; well, that was to be expected. After all, he has spawned a previous hit single:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnoaj8b2bGM

    Listening to it again, I think that must have been when he was still on the drugs, before he became “straight edge” and got the crosses tattooed on his eyelids.

    Also, I know it was inevitable that eventually the ‘no aliens’ rule would be breached after 329 episodes, but seriously, Dennis Rodman? Let’s have something fresh. It just hasn’t been as brimming with new ideas since Iain Lee left the writing team.

    #89595

    Carlito

    I’m still convinced that’s Craig Charles in the video…

    #89638

    Seb Patrick

    Okay, so the new season opener – class. I was a bit apprehensive about yet another recasting, but Norman Lovett really was born to play Rimmer; and having Chloe Annett as a female Lister is inspired.

    #89640

    Mnoooah

    Nightmares for a week. Thanks for that.

    #89641

    Ben Paddon

    It really does seem like they’re running out of ideas.

    Because they had Lister and Rimmer sitting in a room doing nothing for 26 minutes (although Lister did break the silence at around the 7-minute mark by gently coughing).

    #89642

    Danny Stephenson

    G&T Admin

    It was a legal issue, that. If someone didn’t break the silence within 10 minutes. John Cage would have sued.

    #99380

    Stabbim the Skutter

    I’ve just gone back and rewatched Series IX and X, they really were the best by miles, weren’t they?

    (Now that BtE has given us two fake series, I felt this topic needed a revival)

    #99381

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    Phil:

    Missed this week?s due to a collapsed lung. Did they make it back to Earth!?

    John:

    FUCKING FILM EFFECT FUCK OFF

    Pete:

    I wish Craig Charles would stop breaking the 4th wall

    #99393

    performingmonkey

    OH EM GEE

    #99394

    SoundableObject

    I don’t like some of the re-casting in the latest series though I must say Zachary Quinto was born to play Rimmer.

    #99395

    Ben Paddon

    Casting Robert Picardo as Holly was an inspired move.

    #99403

    Carlito

    Yeah but I really don’t buy that Lister would be hopelessly in love with Kochanski now that she’s played by Susan Boyle. That’s a bad move.

    #99409

    Ben Paddon

    Ah, but that was a dream sequence. I reckon they’ve pulled an Ab Fab there. I mean, why else would they’ve had Keith Chegwin playing Kryten?

    #99412

    Seb Patrick

    I think Iain Lee’s probably the best writer the show’s ever had.

    #99413

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    So I missed this ep on account of my knees falling out, but I’m watching it on the interweb, and I got a couple of questions. First: It looks like Susan Boyle’s playing Yvonne Magruder now–the whole sequence where she’s mistaken for Kochanski being a product of strong hallucinations from eating crack-laced vindaloo–and I had no idea this was happening. Really, Doug, why all this shameless fad-chasing? It’s just going to date the show horribly within months–that and the Twitter feed of fan input at the bottom of the screen. Ugh.

    Besides, all the fansites I follow said Catherine Tate was a dead lock for the role, and honestly, I was kind of looking forward to it and to the projected series-long love pentagon with her, Cat, Rimmer, Lister and Bob the skutter. What the hell? (Incidentally, I’m really intrigued by Mos Def’s slightly sinister turn as Bob the skutter. He brings a real depth, pathos, and moral ambiguity to the role that Alan Cumming, for all his talents, could never quite manage.)

    However–Alan Rickman: Great Talkie Toaster, or the best Talkie Toaster ever? I loved the way he killed that bear with his new plasma rifle attachment. That was awesome.

    #99414

    Ben Paddon

    Honestly, I’m really excited about this series, and I’m not just saying that because I’m on the writing team. A shame that it’s going to be the last series, although we’ll finally have proper closure on the show. Andrew and I were quite annoyed to discover we’d been passed on to write the finale in favour of Forbes Masson, but having read his script (I won’t give anything away, but I will say “Scottish airport” and leave it there…) I think Doug and Linwood have made the right choice.

    That said, the decision to make this series 42 episodes in length, airing the episodes two and a half weeks apart on different channels owned by separate companies, is a bit silly.

    #99417

    Carlito

    > However?Alan Rickman: Great Talkie Toaster, or the best Talkie Toaster ever?

    With all due respect: fuck off. The best Talkie Toaster ever was Alan Carr, and you know it. I’m not dissing Rickman… he was better than okay… but Carr made the part his own. Who else could have pulled off an entire Talkie Toaster solo episode? And made it even better than the infamous vending machine two-hander starring the Chuckle Brothers?

    #99420

    si

    The Dwarf/Hyperdrive crossover episode was fantastic.

    #99423

    Carlito

    The Dwarf/Green Green Grass crossover episode wasn’t.

    #99424

    Stabbim the Skutter

    So they found Kochanski in the end then, I never would’ve guessed she was hiding out within the cast of Horne and Corden – after all, it’s the one place nobody was looking.

    I’m not sure about her being played by Kerry Katona, mind. But Tony Slattery makes a brilliant Rimmer!

    #99425

    Carlito

    Thinking about it, there really has been TOO MUCH recasting ever since they brought it back. Getting a bit over the top now. Still, Brian Blessed as Hollister and Kelsey Grammer as Petersen truly were masterstrokes.

    #99435

    Seb Patrick

    I thought the episode where they just displayed the script onscreen and encouraged viewers to act it out themselves was a pretty inspired bit of meta-commentary on all the recasting, though.

    #99437

    SoundableObject

    I have just finished the episode ‘Kryten Kholera’ and I have to say the USB shit scene was way too graphic.

    #99446

    Ben Paddon

    I have just finished the episode ?Kryten Kholera? and I have to say the USB shit scene was way too graphic.

    As I was writing that scene I wondered, “Is this too much?” I ran it by Linwood and he kept telling me to make it bigger and more gross.

    Then he turned to the wall and started talking about me as if he was remembering this at a later time and I wasn’t there. It was weird.

    #99447

    SoundableObject

    Next weeks ‘Krazy Krytie’ looks very promising.

    #99450

    Carlito

    Seen it. It’s already leaked online.

    After months of build-up, turns out it’s basically just a 30-min spoof of The Shining… but not even the movie version – the TV mini-series version. I’d suggest watching The Shining first, otherwise you won’t get the references.

    #99451

    SoundableObject

    Oh I just watched it on youtube, Cat coming back through time at the end was fantastic though what could “Vista Riddle” mean?

    #99462

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    I bet it has to do with Michael Magruder coming back. Here I thought he was sealed away in the chrono-locked vacuum dimension forever–hell, Lister even said, “That’s it, he’s locked in there forever, with no way to leave under any circumstances” like eight different times, so I thought I could rest easy knowing it was canon.

    But noooooo. According to leaked footage online, he’s rescued by the gestalt psychic power of the entire Space Corps when everyone chants “We love you Michael” until he rematerializes in a blaze of light on the Red Dwarf bridge, wipes out the billion-strong fleet of simulants with a blink of his eye using his absurdly overpowered telekinesis (where the hell did he get that power, anyway?), and has a twenty-minute sex scene with Todhunter’s daughter on the captain’s desk. Fucking Michael Magruder. God, what a Gary-Stu.

    #99466

    SoundableObject

    They really should find the guy leaking episodes and footage onto the internet.

    #99476

    Jonathan Capps

    G&T Admin

    You guys are hilarious.

    #99478

    si

    ‘Stasis Leap’ is an instant classic. From the instant Sam Beckett leaps into Lister’s body, with his “Oh Boy” , you know you’re in for a treat. And Al’s discomfort when he realises that, being a Hologram, Rimmer can see him… oh, my sides.

    #99484

    Carlito

    Yeah. That one was much better than ‘Dimension Gump’, although it was nice to see Tom Hanks do a bit of TV again for once.

    #99487

    SoundableObject

    Yeh, Tom Hanks has been off TV for so long since he got that afro it is good to see him back.

    #99501

    Carlito

    I’m not even gonna mention Mark Morrison’s acting in ‘Mack To Reality’… oh wait, I just did.

    #99563

    Ben Paddon

    Did everybody else catch the Randall & Hopkirk (deceased) reference in the latest episode? Inspired writing, that. What with Rimmer being dead, and all.

    #99567

    J_Spaced

    Well that was wierd. Who’s idea was it to “uncast” the series? I mean lovely looking at the sets and all, but for fourty-seven minutes with Murray Gold’s reworking of an epic-album-version of the theme and extra lyrics?

    “Oh I love you Dave, don’t you understand how/
    “Much this composer loves you and can tell/
    “You through the medium of this song?

    Still it was nice to see Norman Lovett’s Holly on the CGI monitors complaining constantly throughout. Nice pink mohawk he’d decided to go with too.

    #99601

    SoundableObject

    I liked it were Kryten quotes the all nations agreement 572 436 8217968B.

    #99602

    Carlito

    Yeah, but that was just completely blatant product placement. Since when did any member of the crew have a Motorola W230, let alone ALL of them? And it was never properly explained how they could phone American TV stations from deep space 3 million years in the future.

    Left a bad taste in my mouth, is all I’m saying. All compounded by the fact that the crew then proceeded to attend the Orange Wednesdays showing of Die Screaming… in the ship cinema. Needless and blatant.

    #99604

    peas_and_corn

    The latest episode was just fangirl service. I mena, come on- a virus that makes Lister and Rimmer take off their shirts and make out? Kryten’s “Looks like an extra load of laundry” line stole the show, though.

    Thoughts on Cat being played by Patrick Stewart (as part of the now famous law suit)?

    #99608

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >The latest episode was just fangirl service.

    You say that almost as though it’s a bad thing. I for one quite enjoyed their extended side-trip to the abandoned space station full of male prostidroids while under the influence of engineered pheromones. I thought it was a daring exercise in character exploration.

    >Thoughts on Cat being played by Patrick Stewart (as part of the now famous law suit)?

    Thought the GELF-wrestling scene was really interesting, but trying to make him up to look like Danny John-Jules might potentially backfire. And now that DJJ is being made up for his new role as Mrs. Golightly to look like an out-of-costume Robert Llewellyn in drag–I’m just saying, things are getting a tad confused on the casting front.

    #99610

    Ben Paddon

    Sneak-peak of next fortnight’s episode.

    (It’s not a Rickroll, by the way. That’d be stupid.)

    #99616

    SoundableObject

    The end had me laughing to fuckery.

    #99625

    Stabbim the Skutter

    I can’t believe that Red Dwarf episodes are now basically just Youtube Poop-style remixes. Don’t get me wrong, I laughed at “It’s my BAGEL. My BAGEL as a complete and utter KOOPA FOOTBALL PLAYER.” and the bit where they just showed Kryten falling over and over again while a clip of Dr Robotnik shouting “PINGAS” played, but it’s a bit cheap. Plus I know that some people find the particular style of humour immature, and it certainly won’t help the show’s “lol smeg curry lager” image.

    #99626

    SoundableObject

    I like the new theme, Howard Goodall’s mix of the Mario theme works perfectly.

    #99719

    SoundableObject

    I can’t help but think this weeks episode would have been better if it ended like was originally intended, you know with Kryten and his evil future self falling into the matrix.

    #99727

    peas_and_corn

    Well, the Dibbley liver cancer story has finally ended. TBH making Dibbley a regular character was a mistake and the mistake has finally been fixed. It’s about time.

    #99735

    Seb Patrick

    I thought the handwritten card saying he died on the way back to his home planet was a bit lazy, though.

    #99737

    Ben Paddon

    Not as lazy as the split-screen Danny John-Jules stuff. By which I mean they just had Danny hop from one side of the screen to the other as he said his lines, changing his teeth as he went.

    #99740

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    All right, I’ll say it: Screw all the haters, I liked the “Weird Al” Yankovic cameo where he sings several parodies of Spice Girls songs.

    #99749

    si

    The alternate Universe characters were alright the other week, though I don’t see how Kryten and Kochanski could grow goatee beards.

    #99753

    Pete Part Three

    I don’t care how integral it is to the plot, I don’t want to see Norman Lovett’s penis.

    #99757

    Stabbim the Skutter

    I didn’t mind Hattie getting her vag out, mind…

    #99782

    si

    Too far.

    #99813

    Carlito

    That wasn’t Norm’s real penis though, to be fair. It was clearly CGI.

    #99814

    Dave

    >Too far.

    Hattie got her vag out too far?

    #99818

    Ben Paddon

    That wasn?t Norm?s real penis though, to be fair. It was clearly CGI.

    Yeah. I much prefer the “short” model to the CGI “pencil”.

    #99821

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    >Yeah. I much prefer the ?short? model to the CGI ?pencil?.

    Well, it’s more realistic-looking, of course. It’s got all the little fiddly bits on it (along with what looks like a tea bag on the bottom).

    #99829

    si

    *applauds*

    He got his ball back, then?

    #99839

    J_Spaced

    Wow, we really have just crashed through the floor when it comes to taste in this thread haven’t we? Do we think we can do more depraved than this? I’m willing to bet we can. When I say we, I mean you.

    #99930

    Carlito

    > Wow, we really have just crashed through the floor when it comes to taste in this thread haven?t we? Do we think we can do more depraved than this? I?m willing to bet we can. When I say we, I mean you.

    I think Doug Naylor’s already on the case, judging by this week’s episode.

    The revelation that Rimmer is a paedophile was bad enough, but why did they have to show that felching scene with his 8yr old past self? And I’m not as up-in-arms as most about Lister wanking on camera – after all, it’s been a long time since he got laid – but did they really have to have the cum shot in 3D? I’ve had nightmares ever since.

    Don’t even get me started on Two Simulants, One Cup. Unpleasant and unnecessary.

    I’m actually quite impressed by Gary Glitter’s turn as this week’s Holly, although I don’t understand the physics of a computer being addicted to necrophilia. And who exactly was it who grassed him up? I mean, that scene where he mentioned that he had gotten away with it for years until some rotten cunt split on him…. I couldn’t work it out.

    #99938

    Ben Paddon

    The announcement of the Queeg spin-off confuses me. How can he have his own show? How come he’s a person now? Why is he in a perfect recreation of 1970s Liverpool running a corner shop? It doesn’t make any sense, and it doesn’t fit in with established canon.

    #99940

    Carlito

    What about the announcement on TOS about next Summer’s new ‘Red Dwarf Wrestling Federation’, and the baffling assurance that “it’s canon”? Hopefully more details will emerge during the publicity blitz for the debut episode of ‘Queeg The Extraordinary Gentleman’ later this year.

    #99956

    Ben Paddon

    I don’t honestly think that the RDWF will really go anywhere. It’s a fun-sounding (if slightly perplexing) idea, but I find myself wondering if networks are interested in the audience wrestling normally attracts.

    #99962

    Pete Part Three

    Who is everyone voting for in tonight’s eviction? I think I’ll plump for Kryten because he keeps on doing that squeaky voice.

    You wouldn’t think a phone vote would work for Red Dwarf, but it’s added an extra dimension to the show.

    #99963

    J_Spaced

    Carl, you’re like Scotty or something. Just when we think it’s running out of energy, you reroute the energisers or something and pow we’re past warp 10!

    “We need more depravity, Mr. Carl!”

    “I’m giving her all she’s got!”

    #99964

    Carlito

    What can I say? I’m doing it all for the fans. It’s all about the fans.

    #99966

    Seb Patrick

    Wait… you mean you’re making these up?

    #99969

    Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc

    Seb, I believe Carl was quoting Doug Naylor, from when he was asked about adding the puppet show-within-the-show, “Silly Sprinkles, The Talking Vole and His Ever-So-Wacky Adventures”.

    #99970

    SoundableObject

    I think the spin off ‘Star Bug’ will be brilliant, can’t see the mini-series ‘Blue Midget’ going anywhere though.

    #99971

    ChrisM

    >can?t see the mini-series ?Blue Midget? going anywhere though.

    Yeah, Red Dwarf doesn’t have a good history with musical sequences. (Ok Tougue tied was good, but many people don’t like the Blue Midget tap dance in series 8.*) I actually didn’t mind it, but an entire series of episodes with a cast consisting entirely of Blue Midgets retelling ‘classic episodes’ through the medium of dance is a bit much.

    #99972

    Jonathan Capps

    G&T Admin

    Least worthy thread of a second page ever.

    #99973

    Danny Stephenson

    G&T Admin

    I was just about to say this.

    #100084

    Carlito

    Give me a second page, ya shit.

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