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  • #223605

    sd99

    It seems a bit odd for the first 3 episodes in the series to all feature starbug, find another ship & meet lots of guests etc. and the back half of the series (so far) to be red dwarf based. And as much as I liked Cured, I think it would work better as a Byte2 opener. So, I think my ideal order would be:

    Byte One:
    1. Siliconia
    2. M-Corp

    Byte Two:
    4. Cured
    5. Mechocracy
    6. Skipper

    #223607

    bloodteller

    you forgot Timewave

    #223608

    Rubber

    , which helps.

    #223609

    Dave

    I think that’s the joke.

    #223614

    Ian Symes

    G&T Admin

    Swapping Timewave and M-Corp would be my only change. Solves the imbalance of the settings to some extent and adheres to traditional placement of best/worst episodes.

    #223620

    sd99

    Well it would be better without Timewave… but M-Corp may have just hidden it.

    #223632

    Darrell

    VERSION 1:
    Skipper
    Mechocracy
    Siliconia
    Cured
    Timewave
    M-Corp

    VERSION 2:
    Cured
    Mechocracy
    Siliconia
    M-Corp
    Timewave
    Skipper

    Come back to me when I’ve seen Skipper.

    #223635

    Pete Part Three

    M-Corp
    Cured
    Siliconia
    Mechocracy
    Timewave
    Skipper

    Open strong. Continue with something reasonable. Bung in something a bit shite. Reassure people with something good. Throw in the absolute stinker in the graveyard slot. Save the fangasms for the finale.

    By the same logic:

    Give & Take
    Krysis
    Can of Worms.
    Office Rimmer.
    Samsara
    Twentica

    #223636

    cwickham

    Cured
    M-Corp
    Siliconia
    Mechocracy
    Timewave
    Skipper

    #223660

    Warbodog

    What do you really hate about Samsara, Pete Part Three? I think it breaks during that boring Cat-Lister conversation about Archimedes or whatever it was, but up to that point I thought we might have a latter day classic on our hands with the sexy skeletons, creepy atmos and gradually unfolding mystery. Damn shame, but I still really like it for the first half.

    #223663

    Pete Part Three

    Well, first of all I find it bloody boring. I can’t say that about *any* other episode. There’s a fair few I strongly dislike, but I’ve never been bored watching Red Dwarf…until that scene of Lister and Cat exchanging shit dialogue while sat down.

    I don’t think solo- Doug has ever really nailed static scenes of just comedy dialogue, which have nothing to do with plot. (Compare Marooned to Duct Soup) and this episode kind of brings it to the fore.

    The opening scene does nothing for me. The rest of the episode is Kryten and Rimmer walking into one room, while Lister and Cat sit around in another one exchanging horribly contrived dialogue that relies on Lister knowing things that he would not know.

    The flashbacks are clunky in direction and I’m not overly keen on the acting. Find the morality theme slightly dodgy, the central idea is ripped off from a far better episode, the comedy skeletons don’t make laugh, the mystery goes nowhere and the resolution is thrown away.

    Apart from that, it’s marvelous. :-)

    #223667

    Ben Saunders

    The Formica shit really drags it down, and I’m not fond of the guest cast, but Samsara is a worthy episode imo.

    #223670

    International Debris

    For all the implausible knowledge in the Formica scene, I find it really funny and well performed. I like the episode a lot.

    #223673

    Warbodog

    Thanks! I’ve seen you bashing it a few times, so just wanted to know. I’ll have to rewatch most of XI-XII to update my opinions beyond first impressions, since I was too annoyed by Krysis’ weird continuity to appreciate it at the time (series 3000, not-quite-3-million-years-after-all, more random undisclosed stasis time and other things that seemed important a year ago).

    #223685

    Pete Part Three

    Yeah, I’m like a cracked record, I know…:-)

    I don’t think I’ve ever changed from my first impressions of any Red Dwarf episode. First and foremost, it has to make me laugh and surprise me; and it’s got a far better chance of doing on first-watch.

    #223686

    Hamish

    > I don’t think solo- Doug has ever really nailed static scenes of just comedy dialogue, which have nothing to do with plot. (Compare Marooned to Duct Soup) and this episode kind of brings it to the fore … The opening scene does nothing for me.

    I still think the Mineoply scenes are the best the Rimmer/Lister two hander Doug has given them in the Dave era. Also the best acting he has gotten out of Chris, with the possible exception of his little tantrum upon losing the game, but at least it is still little.

    #223969

    Dollar Pound

    sex rise ii

    #224000

    performingmonkey

    Cured was fine to open the series. I just wish it was a little better. A twist of the professor being the real Hitler would have done it for me.

    1. Cured
    2. M-Corp
    3. Siliconia
    4. Mechocracy
    5. Timewave
    6. Skipper

    M-Corp was placed weirdly at episode 5, though we have had some great episode 5’s over the years! That being said, it should definitely have either opened the series or been episode 2. Definitely not in the back 3.

    As for Timewave… a little editing and it wouldn’t be THAT bad. The main scene with Johnny Vegas is pretty funny until the Cat lines at the end. In fact, if it was just ‘Lieutenant Asshole’ I don’t think anyone would have cared. Cut out the two shittiest lines from the episode and it’s immediately more acceptable. Of course, you can’t cut the costumes… Though this and Siliconia are definitely the ones with most wasted opportunity. Siliconia is weird because you’re expecting for it to be a decent episode and….it’s just not.

    #224015

    Hamish

    I still think Lieutenant Asshole is a terrible line myself.

    #224016

    Ben Saunders

    well you’re WRONG

    #224026

    Hamish

    Wrong, wrong, absolutely brimming over with wrong-ability.

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