This is a Dwarfcast….or is it?

But… what the hell is that… who are these people…. what’s going on?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wwbwef4ekg&feature=fvwrel

WHAT SORT OF THING IS HAPPENING HERE?

http://thereddwarfpodcast.podbean.com/

> I notice it’s not called that on the webpage.

As of this morning, I don’t believe it’s called that anywhere. They’ve been very swift.

I do like this podcast, anyway. I’m a bit unsure about the two fans, a lot of their knowledge of the show is a bit wonky, but I really like the American couple who’ve not seen the show before. It’s genuinely interesting to see two TV and sci-fi literate people discover the show like this. I find myself really looking forward to their reaction to Future Echoes.

Happy birthday, Ori. :)

As of this morning, I don’t believe it’s called that anywhere. They’ve been very swift.

And very apologetic – they seem to have been genuinely unaware of our existence.

As of this morning, I don’t believe it’s called that anywhere. They’ve been very swift.

Well that’s considerate.

Although I was going to push for ‘us’ to start calling them G&T USA. :(

>> We were actually going to do this with Red Dwarf, and we sat down to watch Gunmen, but five minutes in he said, “This is like Saved By The Bell.”

>Saved By The Bell is like porridge in high school – gloopy crap that everyone avoids.

Saved by the Bell is brilliant and you’re all fools.

(Says the guy who recently found himself in possession of all four seasons on DVD, and who is currently writing a retrospective article about it. And reading Dustin Diamond’s terrible tell-all book.)

At what it does, it’s great. The first couple of seasons are excessively cheesy, but when it settles down there’s some really solid stuff in there. Again: at what it’s doing, which is being a Saturday morning kids’ show.

I can’t see or hear about Dustin Diamond without thinking about him giving a hooker a Dirty Sanchez now. Maybe that was his plan all along…

I read Dustin Diamond’s book (it’s about 70p for Kindle, peeps) in about two days. Utterly ridiculous yet compulsively addictive.

I’m enjoying these! It reminds me of when I was experiencing the show for the first time. But I’ll feel bad for the two Americans come October/November when all of us are sinking our teeth into RDX and they still have to play catch up (1 episode a week puts them only around series 3-4 by then). Maybe they’ll go ahead and watch it anyway.

Heath mentioned that he really likes the main theme and it occurred to me that when I rewatch the episodes, even if it’s without cast commentary or simultaneous DwarfCast, when I get to the end I still always let the main theme play all the way through. Sometimes I sing along and sometimes I just listen. I don’t do that with most other shows. What do you all do?

It’s half four in the morning, I’ve been awake for nearly two hours, so I decided to listen to the first one of these. Sorry, but I could only manage six and a half minutes. While I acknowledge that I would not be able to produce a particularly entertaining podcast myself, I just couldn’t get into it. I might try again when I’m in less of a foul mood, but I doubt it.

> For them it’s new Red Dwarf every week for over a year. ;)

True! Lucky them. But if they’re hooked on it (sounds like they are, given they gave Future Echoes a 9 and an 8) and when PBS and/or BBC America picks up RDX, it will take tons of willpower to not tune in even with most of the old eps still unseen. It would for me, anyway.

Interesting that Sarah found it ploddy and gave it a 5. Maybe she will turn out to be the podcast’s voice of dissent.

You can kinda rationalise away Lister’s nonchalance as his coping mechanism for such a trauma. Beside, Lister isn’t really the sort of person to dwell and always find the good in every situation – he’s still alive, he still has his plan and he still has his cat.

Probably, but thanks for the heads up anyway. One more student today and then I get to have a listen.

I’m stopping 3.5 minutes in to observe that Heath is already the type of Red Dwarf fan who casually inserts quotes from the show into his conversational speech. Can I get an ‘awesome.’

Yeah, I suspected some might be frustrated by this. I was glad to hear Cappsy point out some things, like Ed’s split-screen work, in his e-mail.

Though I have some of the same qualms as Ian, I’ll say a few things on Shane’s behalf since he’s not here. (Sarah never claimed to be an expert – just someone who likes the show. Anyway, compared to Heath and Angela, they are experts.)

The bit about Chris first, since that was the most offensive. It became much less so when I realized Shane had gotten his words turned around. He meant the characters are caricatures of the actors, not vice versa. It’s still a gross generalization, but Craig made the same generalization in one of the bts docs.

I think Shane got much of his info from these docs. He could be forgiven for misremembering some things as there is SO much info available these days. Angela and Heath are learning way more than I did when I first watched. The misinformation is irksome for us, but I doubt it’ll diminish their enjoyment of the show. Angela and Heath will get everything straightened out eventually (read: when they join G&T, which I expect they will).

Regarding looking things up, having Shane open up TOS while watching would indeed be a good suggestion if anyone plans on writing to them. This sounds like their first foray into podcasting. I don’t know if that’s a good excuse, but I do know I’ve heard many other, far less entertaining podcasts which would have benefited from having a reference or two handy.

Finally, keep in mind that you (Ian) and the other G&T staff are uber-qualified both as podcasters and as experts. Only Doug and Ed and a handful of others would be as expert as you. If it were my job (God forbid) I would certainly leave out important stuff too – not just stuff I still don’t know, but stuff I do know and neglect to mention in the moment.

The Introcast is neither perfect, nor comparable in any way to the DwarfCasts, but as podcasts go it’s one of the more entertaining ones. I can forgive some inaccuracies from Shane because I love reliving through Heath and Angela all my old discoveries and reactions, especially to the characters and the writing, their analysis of the internal logic, and the speculation. Mostly, I love seeing the show stand up to the test of time and gain new fans.

Interesting how close Mr. Heath and Ms. Angela get to predicting the next episode through the title. I do wonder how they’re going to handle Kryten’s absense, his and Holly’s subsequent personality changes, and the coming tweaks to the canon (or if indeed they’ll notice them).

Have to admit it’s taking me a while to warm to this new dynamic though. 3/10 for Kryten? Pfft.

Yeah, I don’t really like the new guy. But I think that might be because he interjects a little too much and his microphone doesn’t seem to be very good.

Lovely and encouraging reaction from Heath and Angela. Interesting to see they identify Kryten as a possible ongoing character straight away.

Welcome to the site, Shane!

the reason why paul rated it so low is that he doesnt like David Ross as Kryten

FEEEEEEEEEEEB one boiled egg…

Eggsterminate.

Someone else tell them. I’ve got gussets to scrub.

They’re still expecting Kryten to turn up in the very next episode. I wonder if it is because they are watching from Netflix or some other service if the like which would probably use a BTE promo photo to advertise the show.

In the last episode Heath mentioned seeing something about Kryten in the little research he did. I think that, and the fact that they liked him so much, are the reasons they’re waiting for him to come back. Or if they’re using the box set, they could have seen his picture on the box.

But I was really happy to hear that they loved this episode, and so much as to not notice that Kryten wasn’t in it. Can’t wait for “Thanks for the Memory.”

“I’d prefer chicken” – definitely a gag for the ages.

> I remember when I was watching Dwarf for the first time back in the 94 repeat season, I expected Kryten to come back in the following episode, as I’d heard he was a permanent character. Really surprised me when he didn’t.

Exactly the same for me, too.

I think Heath and Angela are going to have a massive continuity based meltdown when they get to Backwards…

“I really hope it’s going to cohere and it’s not just ‘we’re making this up as we go along’ and it’s never going to cohere or make sense, y’know?”

Oh my.

Yes!

With all due respect this introcast could use someone with comprehensive knowledge of the show stepping in.

I think you should be on it every week Cappsy!

> I’m likely to be a guest on the podcast at some point soon. I’m looking forward it immensely!

I’m possibly looking forward to hearing that more than watching the rest of RDX

Ooteeseeebeib. you say that into a microphone and it’ll read backwards as ‘BBC Two’ :)

“Jonathan”?

If this is the way their opinions are going then I have a horrible feeling that i’m going to find the show increasingly difficult to listen to.

>If this is the way their opinions are going then I have a horrible feeling that i’m going to find the show increasingly difficult to listen to.

Agreed. Their opinions are shit.

Plus, remember that they did give good marks to several highly regarded episodes (Future Echoes, Me^2, Stasis Leak). I think that earns them a niblick for Backwards.

Haha, auto correct thought I meant to type “no-lick” for “niblick.”

I guess another issue is perspective. Red Dwarf may not have invented the backwards universe concept, but it was pretty fresh to me as a ten year old. Watching it for the first time now I’d probably be less enthusiastic, the backwards idea itself would seem less original. Much like with some classic films or albums you have to think in terms of what else was around at the time.

I can recall a couch potato feature in SFX years ago where they tore into Backwards and I was fuming. Then I watched it myself and it’s really apparent that an awful lot of the ideas don’t make any sense at all.

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I’m as guilty of this as anyone, but it seems that people only complain about continuity or plot-holes if they didn’t like the episode anyway.

> I’m as guilty of this as anyone, but it seems that people only complain about continuity or plot-holes if they didn’t like the episode anyway.

If you don’t find anything funny in it, then I don’t see why you shouldn’t resort to relying on the plot to satisfy your entertainment needs.

That was hilarious. Well done Cappsy. I’ve never heard one of the series 2 loving series 3 haters in action before.
Wow. Poor woman at the moment it almost sounds like she has got the whole of Dwarf to now go through, hating everything ha ha. I hope for her sake she mellows. I’m glad i went through the 2 to 3 jump back at the very beginning of video taping and never really had a major problem cus backwards was the first thing i ever taped off the TV myself.

Sounds reasonable to me Jonsmad

Im assuming Johnathan Capps as a featured guest is a sign that everything is now resolved to everyones satisfaction at both sites.

Assuming this is true I’m wondering if it might be an idea for a few of us in the group to offer to help them with preparing some crib notes for each episode.

Basically im thinking along the lines of ‘the more net activity us fans can generate and sustain the easier it makes it for Doug Naylor when it comes to negotiations both regarding commissioning and budgeting’

To those who have had contact with them do youi feel this would be welcomed as helpful or do you think it might be taken as insulting,, obviously you cant garuantee what their reaction will be but you guys prob have a more accurate estimate than I would

“I remember when I was watching Dwarf for the first time back in the 94 repeat season, I expected Kryten to come back in the following episode, as I’d heard he was a permanent character. Really surprised me when he didn’t.”

So glad it wasn’t just me! I loved David Ross’ Kryten so I was gutted the following week. But then, when ‘Backwards’ started I was surprised again! Loved it though.

Drives me crazy that they say “the Red Dwarf” and “the Starbug.”

Especially since they said in the latest podcast that the one character who you couldn’t take out the show would be Rimmer.

I’m on for Tikka to Ride. It’s going to be… interesting.

So I’m going to try to get in on the spoilercast on Sunday. I just e-mailed Shane.

> More the merrier!

Hooray! That’s what Shane said, too.

My understanding of the spoilercast is it’s not just about Tikka, it’s us guessing how Heath and Angela will react to Series VII generally.

we had to wait to let it burst out

!

Ian Symes is a terrible person.

This was tremendous fun to record. I even managed to say “fuck”.