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  • #224601

    Renegade Rob

    Over this past weekend, I’ve been processing the reveal of the Series XII flipside cover. As someone who likes consistency but also wants each series to have their own identity, I’ve been trying to figure out how I feel about the color. The pale red bunkroom and pale blue Starbug cockpit made perfect sense for X and XI, but the fact that the Science Room for XII, despite being an obvious choice, still nags at me a bit, so I’ve created this post more as a sounding board to help me work out how I come down on this very important issue.

    I really want each series to feel like it’s own distinct entity with its own identity, and up until now, they have. But let’s face it: the military blue Science Room XII cover is a little close to the ocean blue of the Starbug cockpit XI cover, so that’s 2 pale-blues in a row. Granted, they’re slightly different shades, with XII having more than a dash of light purple. But it’s the equivalent of making Series IV the officers Bunkroom and Series V the old III-V Science Room: same color scheme because of similar production design. If they had made XII yellow with the new Science Room at Yellow Alert, that would’ve been great. Or they could have, as I thought they might do, made XII pale-green with the Starbug 19 interior and echo the pattern of the original 6, so that a Series XIII cover would be even paler beige and so on.
    As it is, two light blues in a row, leaves me a little cold.

    But then I did some more thinking about the cover (What better way is there to spend a Sarurday night?), and the thought occurred that part of XII’s identity is the fact that it’s of a pair with XI. Thet were commissioned together, written together, share sets and even moved scenes, and were basically filmed together. This sort of was one long series split over two, more than possible any pair of series before. Now true, XII is, give or take a Timewave, way better than XI overall, as almost certainly it built off the momentum established by XI to be more bold and confident.

    In that light, it makes some deal of sense to have XI and XII be similar colors, because much of their identity is the fact that they’re intrinsically linked. Like those weird quasi-two-parters from Series 9 of Doctor Who. So I think I’m coming down on the side of “I get it and can live with it” but would have preferred something a little more distinct.

    Thoughts?

    #224602

    bloodteller

    yeah

    #224603

    International Debris

    Until BtE gets re-released with a reversed cover I’m having all my Dave era ones the ‘correct’ way around. So… yeah.

    #224605

    Renegade Rob

    That… actually makes a lot of sense.

    #224612

    Rubber

    Right but it still has all four of them rather than just Rimming and Fister like the others which is completely aaaaarrrrrggggghhhh.

    #224616

    bloodteller

    back to earth didn’t have just Rimming and Fister on the DVD cover

    #224617

    Rubber

    Is there a reversible BtE cover?! Show me!

    #224618

    Rubber

    Although I imagine it will be calling itself ‘Red Dwarf IX’ or some such thing.

    #224626

    GlenTokyo

    I made this one a while back, but it’s for Region 1, and I can’t remember if I finished the Region 2 one before I had a technical laptop shitting the bed issue</img>

    #224638

    International Debris

    I’ve seen a few BtE ones, but getting a nice printout, cutting it, putting it in a purchased DVD case, and then storing the other BtE case somewhere else is a lot more effort than bitching about a lack of official one here.

    #224649

    bloodteller

    well Back To Earth isn’t really a full series, is it? so it wouldn’t have the normal cover to match all the others.

    what i usually do to get around it is have my I-VIII and X-XI DVDs on my shelf all neatly next to each other in a row, and then i just chuck Back to Earth elsewhere on the shelf, usually sandwiched between Ghostbusters and Bottom Live 5.

    #224651

    Renegade Rob

    At some point I scratched my Series III DVD and had to order another one. So what I ended up doing was putting my BTE discs in the old Series III case and switched out the cover with a Series IX cover I made on photoshop. It’s not perfect but it does the trick, seamlessly connecting 1-8 with X and beyond.

    #224655

    Ben Saunders

    Do you think they’ll ever do a Just The Shows II eventually, and will it contain BtE?

    #224659

    International Debris

    what i usually do to get around it is have my I-VIII and X-XI DVDs on my shelf all neatly next to each other in a row

    You have a shelf of Red Dwarf DVDs that go I II III IV V VI VII VIII X XI? You are sick.

    Do you think they’ll ever do a Just The Shows II eventually, and will it contain BtE?

    I reckon after XIV we’ll get a Just The Daves box.

    #224660

    Rubber

    Home made covers 😰

    #224672

    flanl3

    You have a shelf of Red Dwarf DVDs that go I II III IV V VI VII VIII X XI? You are sick.

    You like a show that goes I II III IV V VI VII VIII X XI XII? That is sick.

    #224686

    Pete Part Three

    This goes up to XI.

    Ah, damn. XII now.

    Joke ruined.

    #224692

    Flap Jack

    Back to Earth being the only main series DVD spine that doesn’t match is a constant, very mild annoyance, but I still prefer to use the reversible covers over the standard ones. And I can’t countenance putting Back to Earth at the beginning or the end of the row – it’s just not chronological!

    In theory I agree with the “Back to Earth isn’t a proper series” idea, but in practice Dave/GNP insisted on calling the next series of Red Dwarf “Series X” so there’s no good in trying to argue that BtE isn’t Series 9.

    Random thought: for those of you who have it, where do you put The Bodysnatcher Collection on your DVD shelf?

    #224693

    Dave

    Back To Earth definitely *is* the ninth series of Red Dwarf, speaking literally.

    It’s just not called “Series 9”.

    (Or “Series IX”.)

    #224694

    bloodteller

    >Back to Earth being the only main series DVD spine that doesn’t match is a constant, very mild annoyance, but I still prefer to use the reversible covers over the standard ones. And I can’t countenance putting Back to Earth at the beginning or the end of the row – it’s just not chronological!

    just bung it on the other end of your shelf, maybe?

    #224697

    International Debris

    As ever, the French DVD of it calls it series IX. Therefore, it’s IX.

    #224705

    si

    Random thought: for those of you who have it, where do you put The Bodysnatcher Collection on your DVD shelf?

    My RD DVD shelf:
    https://twitter.com/bromley001/status/929030028670750720?s=09

    #224712

    International Debris

    I enjoy X, but four copies?!

    #224723

    si

    I like shiny things.

    #224724

    bloodteller

    where’d you get the US Pilot dvd?

    #224726

    si

    It’s a VCD that someone copied for me. Not great quality. Drew the sleeve myself.

    #224728

    flanl3

    Is it really series IX? Apart from the fact that it’s not, it’s not really even a series. If somebody asks me about the seasons of BoJack Horseman, I’m not going to go “Well there was season 1, the second season which was the Horsin’ Around credits, then season 3 which was the Christmas special, then the fourth season which they called season 2 and the fifth which they called season 3, then finally the sixth season which they called season 4.”

    Not everything has to be a season, and I am permanently annoyed with whomever designed that French cover.

    #224729

    Dave

    It is literally a series of three episodes. So yes, it is the ninth series of Red Dwarf. But that doesn’t make it ‘series IX’.

    #224738

    Ben Saunders

    I thought calling it Series X was a meta joke because I’m BtE Noddy calls Series IX the “best series ever”, and it would be funny if we never got to see it…

    Except he actually calls Series Ten the best series ever, which is a complete and total utter fucking shambles and I don’t know what they were thinking

    #224739

    bloodteller

    no he doesn’t

    #224741

    cwickham

    The series before Back to Earth was VIII and the series after it was X. Therefore, Back to Earth is IX.

    #224743

    Ben Paddon

    One day – some far off distant time way into the future which I hope to live long enough to see – people will stop arguing about whether or not the ninth series of Red Dwarf episodes should be called “series nine” or not.

    #224749

    International Debris

    it’s not really even a series

    Dictionary:

    a set or sequence of related television or radio programmes.

    It’s a fucking series.

    Miniseries probably works, but it’s still a series. Sherlock series are only three episodes long. Series 1 & 2 of The Thick of It were only three episodes long.

    #224750

    International Debris

    Anyone baffled by BtE being a series shouldn’t look at the episode listings for A Touch of Frost, they’ll get ill:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_A_Touch_of_Frost_episodes#Episodes

    #224755

    Ben Saunders

    Oh fucking hell, ignore my previous post, he does actually say “season nine” was the best season ever, hence the joke does work.

    I’m putting it down to the Mandela Effect, because I definitely heard him say “ten” on the docco.

    Also what kind of prick says “season” when referring to a British show and actually being British himself

    #224757

    Dave

    Imagine my confusion some years back when I started watching the new Battlestar Galactica from the start of season 1, and soon realised there had been a previous series before that, which I should have watched first.

    #224761

    si

    Who was it – Craig? Doug? – who suggested that series ten should be subtitled ‘The Hunt for Series Nine’?

    #224763

    Seb Patrick

    >Also what kind of prick says “season” when referring to a British show and actually being British himself

    Every Doctor Who fan for twenty-six years, for a start.

    #224765

    Ben Saunders

    It’s seasons of Classic Who, but series of New Who, and of Red Dwarf. I’m not sure why old Who is in seasons, might have something to do with The Sixties, either way hearing “season” is just one of those things that really grates with me, like people calling films “movies”… which is another thing Red Dwarf does. It’s just so American

    #224766

    flanl3

    a set or sequence of related television or radio programmes.

    Looking two lines later in this google definition lists “program” and “show” as synonyms, so this definition quite literally does refer to a whole show, not a British season equivalent.

    Seeing as I don’t think this is getting resolved unless Doug himself speaks on it, I do have an interesting other question: what would we be fighting about if the first series after BtE had been entitled series IX?

    #224770

    Flap Jack

    That’s a fine shelf you have there, Si. Mine goes Series I-VIII, Beat the Geek, Bodysnatcher, Back to Earth, Series X-XII (i.e. strict release order). I figured that BtE already screwed up the spine continuity, so why not?

    On the subject of BtE, if Doug wanted the name of the first full Dave series to complete the joke of there being missing series, he should have called Series X “Series XI”. But he lost his bottle!

    Of course if the first Dave series was Series IX, then we would have all been happy to regard Back to Earth as a wholly non-numbered special. But that isn’t what happened.

    Yes, this is definitely important enough to warrant lengthy discussion.

    #224772

    Ben Saunders

    My DVD shelf goes Just The Shows, BtE, X, XI :(

    #224774

    International Debris

    Look at this loser ^^

    #224776

    Ali Green

    My DVDs are ordered I-VIII, X-XII, BtE, Bodysnatcher, Beat The Geek. My OCD still isn’t happy about putting BtE out of running order but I hate it so much that I don’t even consider it canon.

    I had the same feeling about the XII DVD being so similar in colour to XI, my way of accepting this is that XI and XII were both filmed back to back, but I really would have preferred a different colour perhaps the yellow alert science room or something with a pale green in keeping with the I, II and II colours.

    Also no mention of Norman being on the spine for a second time? I would have much preferred it to have continued the pattern of having a guest star on there, Talkie Toaster or the M-Corp lady maybe? Also I believe this is the only spine with black writing which is just bloody annoying compared to the rest! Very tempted to flip the reversible covers for X, XI and XII to the main covers so I can put I-XII in chronological order!?

    #224780

    Lily

    I don’t have a shelf as I’m sorta homeless, but this is my box
    https://i.imgur.com/XAPHMl1.jpg

    #224781

    Dave

    Ooh, you need to get the SPACED boxset for the third disc. It’s worth it.

    #224787

    Lily

    In hindsight I should have curated that a little more before posting. I’ve not even watched the second disc of Spaced – only watched the first few shows and didn’t really ‘get’ it. I had to rummage through another box to find Beat the Geek, another disc that’s never been out the box.

    I seem to be the only one leaving X and XI with their original covers. I didn’t like the way the pattern was repeating, BtE causes a break anyway, and I feel the Dave era -isn’t- the same as the original DVD releases so there’s no point in even attempting to be cohesive.

    #224789

    si

    My RD:USA cover.
    https://twitter.com/bromley001/status/931189958051758080

    Ooh, you need to get the SPACED boxset for the third disc. It’s worth it.

    The 2010 Dutch boxsets have a new commentary track. Which is nice.
    https://twitter.com/bromley001/status/931192484562112512

    #224791

    Ben Saunders

    Yeah Lily, seeing them all together like that, I-VIII definitely look like one cohesive unit, and adding to that would just make it look a bit awkward, with the Red Dwarf logo all off to one side. The spilt makes sense, honestly

    #224792

    bloodteller

    you’re right i suppose- the way i have my DVDs lined up means the Red Dwarf logo is off to the left, which will only look even more weird once XII’s dvd comes out

    #224801

    Dave

    The 2010 Dutch boxsets have a new commentary track. Which is nice.

    Didn’t the US set have different commentary tracks too (I’m sure I remember reading somewhere that they’d actually got Tarantino on to do a track for at least one of the episodes)?

    Does Spaced win the award for the sitcom with the highest number of alternate commentary tracks?

    #224803

    flanl3

    In the US, we never got reversible covers on the new ones, but at least as consolation we don’t have to have that ugly straight-up-and-down massive season number on the side.

    #224804

    flanl3

    Well, except for X.

    #224807

    International Debris

    I seem to be the only one leaving X and XI with their original covers.

    #224808

    International Debris

    Despite the odd issue with the reversible covers, I’m really glad they’re doing them though. They didn’t have to, but it’s a really nice thing to do for fans who’ll appreciate them.

    The only one better is the Doctor Who team, who started doing reversible covers as soon as the BBC logo changed and their classic range spines looked ever so slightly different to the earlier ones. The difference wasn’t dramatic, but they did them anyway, knowing that the show has a fanbase that would appreciate the whole collection being correctly aligned.

    Compare that with almost any other TV show, with which the DVD sleeve designs are all over the place.

    #224814

    Lily

    Even on the original 8 it bugs me how they made 4 unique spines, then clearly went ‘fuck it’ and copy/pasted the spine in appropriate colours for the rest.

    Shame the Dave ones can’t even line up the main logos though.

    #224821

    International Debris

    Yeah, the shape of the paint markings on VII and VIII have always looked bloody awful.

    #224822

    Lily

    It’s the same paint mark on 5 & 6, the edge is just hidden behind the logo.

    #224825

    International Debris

    Yeah, I think that they’re hidden means I can look at them fine. But that repeating jagged shape is so glaringly obvious.

    #224827

    si

    I seem to be the only one leaving X and XI with their original covers.

    That’s why I both both the BluRay and the DVD. Original Bluray covers, reverse the DVD sleeves.
    Also, I like to have things. Hence the two additional RDX Steelbooks.

    #224828

    si

    Although I haven’t got the XI steelbook yet, have I? Or the BtE bluray. Tch.

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