Hattie and Norman interview News Posted by Jonathan Capps on 29th July 2007, 01:30 As part of their pre-Edinburgh publicity, Hattie and Norm have a short but perfectly formed interview for Times Online. Shockingly, the interviewer shows at least a modicum of Dwarf knowledge by getting the number of episodes Hattie has been in correct, but let himself down by being WRONG about Norman’s (I count 21 episodes for Norm, but go ahead and prove me wrong if you can just about be bothered.) However, this… It was stupid. I’d moved to Edinburgh and I wanted one rehearsal day less, they said yeah, you don’t have to do the full week Norman, all friendly and nice, and then the fee dropped massively. And I said, well what’s that about then? I said that’s not fair. So I stood out for it. …interests me, though. We’ve known that circumstances around Norman moving to Edinburgh meant he ending up having to leave, but he makes it sound like he was unfairly shafted. Not sure I’d fully take his word for it, mind, but it’s yet another instance of him being less than complimentary about his former employers.
We old Norm is a world renowned moaner, yet if it is the case, he was right to take a stand. He should be on tv these days, as should the other cast members, forget Takeshi’s Castle, Massive Engines, these guys should be on the forefront of popular tv, like Mock the Week, Have I Got News for you. These grease monkeys that run the Television stations, head of programing, producers, should be giving the cast of one of Britain’s most successfully acclaimed and internationally popular series, as shown by DVD sales, much, much more limelight. It’s just not fair as I see it, a lot of talent is being allowed to fade away not gracefully enough it seems. Stop the pathetic one off in a life time appearances of our beloved cast, and get them onto broad horizons Television Executives!
I remember hearing exactly this story somewhere before – can’t remember where, though. The thing is, I just don’t trust Norm any more – he’s shown at best to exaggerate certain things he says, and other times just been outright unfair. Maybe the Series 2 docco on The Bodysnatcher Collection will enlighten us. True, it’s a GNP production, so you could argue that they have a vested interest (even if the show wasn’t produced by them at the time) – but I would say that they have proved to be rather more even-handed than Norm in the past. Stuff like the Juliet May debacle on the V docco showed both sides, for instance.
Yeah, his version of events did sounds familiar, but I’m pretty sure this is the first time I’ve seen him explicitly blame the ‘TV people’ for his leaving through cutting his pay. I think if he’s currently got that story in his mind and he’s using it in interviews, then we’ll definitely hear something similar on the documentary but, as you say, a little more even handed with all sides of the story represented… I wonder what Paul Jackson’s got to say about it?
I’m really pleased with the Series II docco’s section on this – Norman and Paul Jackson were the main players in that debate, two strong personalities. Who’s exaggerating will be up to the viewer to decide, but Rob, Doug, Chris and Craig also weigh in. Dunno if the interview response is edited, of simply if Norman gave a quick answer. But he expanded much more on the subject with us, and was not as one-sided as this makes it appear. Also, this: L: They promised me they?d get someone in completely different from me. And then they got Hattie. Dunno how likely this sounds to everyone, but it will be discussed… :-)
Re: They promised me they?d get someone in completely different from me. And then they got Hattie. I’m sure that’s been mentioned before….
Let’s not miss the point I was making. We need more shows with Dwarfers guest starring, true it won’t happen, but imagine how great it would be. There’s no new dwarf tv at the mo, so we could relish the actors in other situations. A golden opportunity that was missed by tv executives, all due to red dwarf being regarded as a cult. I tell you what though, it’s certainly been more successful internationally that some other supposed, ”superior” sitcoms. And of course the dwarf is much bigger than a mere cult, it annoys me to think it is relegated to that status by some.
You don’t have to resort to that level of immaturity my friend. We are all Dwarf fans, and I was only stating my opinion, so calm down. You have the fuse of a wookie. You always seem to be quite the nasty unreasonable fellow I dare say. I don’t want to have a needless fight, and I won’t stand your abusive statements, so back down. And by the way you never answered my question that I left on my first forum post – what do you think of Rimmer’s guilt. Much appreciated if you could answer Thanking you!
And there, in a nutshell, is the problem I have with you, and the reason I’m being ‘abusive’. You’ve no right to demand people discuss what *you* want to be discussed. Obviously, raising points and asking questions is a very good thing to do, but you’re only one of many people who post on this site, and your attempts to control the discussion and act as some sort of Speaker of the House are tedious, annoying and extraordinarily arrogant. I’m not quite sure how you feel qualified to judge my personality based on two comments I’ve made to you (the first of which was, I felt, rather fair and polite). But I know that I’m not the only person you’ve managed to annoy during the two weeks you’ve been posting here. Also, by G&T standards, you got off rather lightly with “piss off”…
Well i have seen your other posts, and you seem to like giving people the odd backhander, why do you feel qualified to do that to people who like the dwarf just as much as you and have their own opinions. Remember you aren’t the only one who feels passionate about what they are saying. Now I was expecting a few comments on what I said, in the first post in this topic, excuse me if I feel entitled to bring the subject back up ian. Now I am willing to let you off, I am a very forgiving person, but I don’t want to be talked to like that again, surely you can come up with an argument, without resorting to such immature levels. I am willing to let it rest if you are, therefore it rests in your hands. As you may.
I won’t be intimidated by your posts ian, I never use swear words against another member, because believe it or not, i have respect for other users, as should you. If as you say other people are annoyed with me, fine, but if someone has a problem, let them come to me and explain their reasons. I am willing to listen to any argument,
P.S. I see why you may be a tad upset with the way I phrased my, ”now let’s not forget my point’, but I think you should have voiced your concern in a more dignified manner. I know we may not see eye to eye at the precise moment, but I would like to think we can put this into the back of our minds and forgive.
Well i have seen your other posts, and you seem to like giving people the odd backhander, why do you feel qualified to do that to people who like the dwarf just as much as you and have their own opinions. Remember you aren?t the only one who feels passionate about what they are saying. Now I was expecting a few comments on what I said, in the first post in this topic, excuse me if I feel entitled to bring the subject back up ian. Now I am willing to let you off, I am a very forgiving person, but I don?t want to be talked to like that again, surely you can come up with an argument, without resorting to such immature levels. I am willing to let it rest if you are, therefore it rests in your hands. As you may. This is infuriating. Who the fuck do you think you are, you smug little man? Don’t attempt to patronise me, I don’t react well to it. I feel qualified to have a go at people because I am level-headed and sensible enough to know who deserves it and who doesn’t. I don’t go round slagging people off for the sake of it, which you seem to imply; I was polite and curteous to you at first, but you don’t seem to have paid any attention to what I’ve said. I’ve explained why I don’t like your posting style, and you’ve carried on regardless. You’re “willing to let me off”, are you? Well, thanks. You seem to think you’re in charge of this site, with you dictating what should be discussed, lecturing me about the way I conduct myself, and generally swanning around like you’ve absorbed the fucking Time Vortex. I really, really didn’t want to bring it down to this level, but if either one of us two is in charge here… well, it’s not you, is it? I won?t be intimidated by your posts ian, I never use swear words against another member, because believe it or not, i have respect for other users, as should you. Well, fuck-a-doodle-doo. If as you say other people are annoyed with me, fine, but if someone has a problem, let them come to me and explain their reasons. You heard him, folks.
I see you haven’t taken respect into account, well thanks ian Symes, you have shown yourself to be a stubborn trog. How old are you anyway, because it seems like I’m talking to a child. I was willing to let this go but you just can’t put your over zelous ego to one side can you ian. Either quit talking to me, or stop using abusive statements. I can imagine you have offend a few people with your outburst in the past. Well this guy ain’t going to just let you walk over him, I don’t think you should be allowed to post if you keep up this attitude friend.
Learn to respect other users Ian. Quit abusing users with your unruly language, and then we might be able to have a civilized conversation.
Again if you don’t want it to be brought down to this level, get off my back, I can and will keep up an argument if you want. But I would rather we put this behind us, since we seem to have got off on the wrong foot, ok?
I see you haven’t taken addressing any of the complaints I’ve made about you into account. For me, it’s you that’s being immature, trying to grasp some sort of moral highground because I’ve used some naughty words. Grow up. And I’m egotistical? It’s you who’s tried to drag every thread you’ve posted in round to your own topic, regardless of what other people want to talk about. You don’t think I should be allowed to post on here? Have you tried complaining to the admin guys? And for goodness sake, STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO!
You do realise that Ganymede & Titan is Ian’s site, don’t you? I think, Tonguetied, you should just drop your defenses. If someone riles someone else here then it’s made known. It’s just the way most of the people who post on this site conduct themselves, and Ian had made numerous attempts to properly explain his frustrations at you. You’ve ignored them completely. Now, this could be because you’ve taken offense to the fairly liberal amount of swearing that’s used here (which is pointless, really – you’ve got to take it, leave it, or ignore it) or you’re just being stubborn because you have some trumped up sense of importance. No one owes you discussions, no one owes you replies to your theories (hell, no one owes the site replies to our articles and news items, either – we don’t get ina strop when no one comments on something… much) so just calm down, drop the attitude and take it in your stride, cos that’s the only way you’re going to enjoy being here.
Thanks Jonathan, I hear what your saying man. I don’t mean to come across as the guy who never listens, or just rises up to a disagreement. But can you please just get Ian off my back. I think he deserves some of the blame here, since he sprang the argument. I am willing to let it all go if Ian is.
Tonguetied, the point you made (Dwarfers in more TV shows) should have been started in a new thread on the forums, IMO that is, I don’t think that it has much to do with the subject of this thread. If you don’t like swearing, then you’re really on the wrong website. You say that you’ve seen the way Ian speaks to other people on here, in that case you must have seen the way other people speak too. If you haven’t spotted the swearing then you haven’t been looking properly. Ian is not trying to “walk all over” you, he’s tried to be polite previously but you seemed to just ignore him. Perhaps you should just pay attention to the subject of the thread in which you are posting and if you would like to see it heading in a different direction then use the forums. If you can’t put up with a bit of bad language then you won’t last very long.
I hear what your saying SingingPotato1979, but as Seb said, I believe his behaviour should be brought to attention. I can deal with swearing but not when I believe I have done no wrong to merit such abuse.
I thought it was a joint owned site. But anyway, are we going to let this drop now? Ian are you willing to let this argument go? I don’t wish to be a loggerheads with you. Can’t we just have a compromise, both apologize, then everyone will be happy.
The way I see it, Ian has made his points and already let this go. You’ve not done any apologising, neither has he, so why not just drop it yourself and avoid derailing this thread any further? > I thought it was a joint owned site. It is, but it’s steadily grown over the years from when Ian originally founded the site.
*sigh* Seb was being sarcastic Tonguetied. Ian IS a founder of this site. Also I personally think that Ian is still being incredibly restrained. You seem to be totally unaware that you’ve done anything to annoy anyone, another reason that Ian, and other people, are getting hacked off with you.
Ok Jonathan, anyway thanks for intervening in this little tiff. And if Ian has let this go as you say, then cool, so have I. I just hope we can still have conversations without one of us becoming too hotheaded.
> And hey no need for the sigh, i?m new here remember lol. Pfft, and to think I spent all of 5 minutes writing that About page…
The thing is though, Tonguetied, it’s good manners to hang around on a site for a bit, get used to the mood of the site, learn who runs it, and so on. But you’ve just blundered in here and tried to control everything. It’s sheer bad manners, as much as anything else.
Well John I guess I was too excited to read that page, I just wanted to get on and talk about the dwarf lol. So shoot me.
Let us leave it at that, we have all taken onboard what has happened here, let the past stay in the past. Now that I am fully aware that there are people as passionate as I, well as a great man once wrote…nuff said!
Rimmer is a man to look up to Somebody. And of course Polymorph is such a delight to watch, I see it as one of the best episodes of dwarf in the history of le show. I see your point of me reminding you, it’s touching I dare say, I feel quite honoured to be associated with A J Rimmer!
>swanning around like you?ve absorbed the fucking Time Vortex May I steal this for my own daily use around other Doctor Who fans? Pleeeease?
hey. Just in case you’re interested, I’ve written a review of Norms show. If you want I can email it and you can use it as you please. Just let me know (PM me on the BTLi forum or email me)
cheers man. sent it from my hotmail account. If it’s in the wrong format (I left it in Microsoft Works format) let me know and I’ll change it.
