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or: Why We Insist On Being Grumpy Bastards Every Time This Happens

If, like me, you’re known amongst your more neurotypical friends, family and colleagues as “the Red Dwarf fan”, you’ll have received umpteen messages in the last couple of days, reacting to the “news” that new Red Dwarf has been “confirmed”. These normies will then have been confused by your lukewarm response, before you have to tediously explain that nothing is actually official yet, and the articles that they’ve seen online are just discussing the rumours we’ve known about for months. “But look”, they reply, “it says it right here, the Scrapheap Challenge guy announced it”. At this point, you have to choose between launching into a full scale rant about the intricacies of television commissioning, or just saying “yeah, looking forward to it” in order to maintain the illusion that you’re a well-adjusted individual like them.

It’s especially frustrating when you can also see this happening on a much wider scale. Us lot – you, me and anyone else who’ll visit a fansite for a sci-fi programme from the 1980s – know the score, but there are vast swathes of Dwarf fans who have a much more casual relationship with the show. They might love it every bit as much as we do, but they’re not as obsessive about the details as we are, and are less likely to have been following the series of small scale leaks that we’ve been tracking. But all of a sudden, they’re all over social media in the last two days, sharing their excitement at the confirmation of something that isn’t actually confirmed. But here’s the thing – it’s not their fault. They’re being let down by the people they trust to provide information.

First of all, rumour control. Here are the facts. Robert Llewellyn did a live stream on his personal YouTube channel on Wednesday evening. The VOD has since been taken down, but the relevant section has been snipped out so that we can see exactly what he said.

We knew we were going to do more Red Dwarf, and we’re now actually doing it in the middle of October til the middle of November this year. Three… well, a 90 minute special. Three half-hours. And the whole point was that we don’t announce that until it’s confirmed, and we knew that. So then I was at a science-fiction convention sitting next to Craig Charles, and everyone that came up and said “are you doing more Red Dwarf?”, he just said yes! […] Anyway, so yes, we are making more. I can’t believe I’ve agreed to do it, I’m insane. I’m much too old.

Our interpretation of that is the only real piece of new information is the October-November shooting dates, which hadn’t previously been mentioned. There’s two ways of taking the “90 minute special / three half-hours” bit. It either means that it will be broadcast in three parts, or it could simply be Robert comparing the runtime to the standard episode length. Either way, we won’t know for sure until we’re explicitly told by UKTV and/or Grant Naylor Productions.

So that’s how we’d report the news, complete with context and caveats. But we don’t have adverts on our site. We’re not run for profit, so there’s no incentive for us to lure people over to boost our stats. Unfortunately, the vast majority of news sources on the internet are much less discerning; they rely on your clicks to generate income in order to pay their staff and remain viable, and so it doesn’t matter to them what you’re clicking on, as long as you’re clicking.

And so when Jay Richardson of the British Comedy Guide saw the YouTube video, it somehow became an EXCLUSIVE. Red Dwarf IS returning. It’s a “new three-episode special”. The absolute gall of the phrase “British Comedy Guide can exclusively reveal” is staggering. It’s an abhorrent display of total disrespect towards your audience. In fact, it’s just a plain lie. You’re not exclusively revealing shit, you’re transcribing a publicly available livestream. Furthermore, you’re reporting your own interpretations of what was said as fact. This “three episodes” thing is going to be attached to whatever this project is for good, and we don’t even know if it’s true. It’s bad journalism, but sadly that’s what this industry feeds on right now. Nuance goes out of the window when you need to get page views in order to get paid.

Then it snowballs. British Comedy Guide got there first, so that allows other publications to follow suit. The Radio Times says Red Dwarf is ‘returning to TV with 3 brand new episodes’, citing BCG as their source. They haven’t watched Robert’s video themselves, they’re just copying what Jay Richardson said. And how do we know? Because Jay Richardson got his facts wrong. The British Comedy Guide article states that “Llewellyn yesterday confirmed the show’s return on his Fully Charged YouTube channel”. He didn’t, it was his own YouTube channel, not Fully Charged.

And yet the Radio Times article says “Robert Llewellyn reportedy [sic] confirmed the news on his Fully Charged YouTube channel”. Thus confirming that they’re just re-writing what the other website says, with no attempt to verify the information. This article has not been fact-checked. They’re just repeating what they’ve heard verbatim. And if that’s the case, why should we trust anything they report on? All it takes is for these click-hungry demons to report on something you personally know something about, for you to realise that this is how it works. And it’s very worrying. We know that it’s not that important a mistake, we know that there’s bigger worries in the world than the accurate reporting of Red Dwarf rumours. But if they’re getting this wrong, because they have to churn out as much content as they can as quickly as possible, what else are they getting wrong?

Incidentally, by the time the story reached the absolute depths of the gutter, ie. The Sun, it had somehow mutated to “Robert Llewellyn, who played the mechanoid Kryten, told the British Comedy Guide…” Oh, did he now? Not content with repeating other people’s inaccuracies, you introduce your own because you haven’t even bothered to read the thing you’re copying properly. Leave the Red Dwarf reporting to us, you focus on hacking the phones of murder victims.

There is one crucial piece of information buried at the end of all of these pieces. Very deliberately placed at the end, because they’re not banking on people getting that far – as long as they click the article, it doesn’t matter if they actually read it. To quote the original BCG piece:

UKTV declined to comment.

And you know why they declined to comment? Because Red Dwarf‘s return is not confirmed. UKTV would be the people to confirm it. But hey, who cares about piffling details like that when there are misleading headlines to write. Most news organisations have this as part of their process – they write their article, then ping an email to the channel’s overworked PR department to give them the right to reply, then publish as soon as they hear back either way. It’s theoretically there to ensure the story is true, but it doesn’t stop them from publishing details that are completely unconfirmed and unverified, leaving the disclaimer until a point where most people will have scrolled away.

But, you may ask, why hasn’t the news been confirmed by the channel yet? Well, because it’s bloody well up to the channel when they announce it, regardless of how leaky the cast are. There are numerous reasons why they wouldn’t want to say it out loud just yet. It’s possible that contracts haven’t been signed yet – it may well be verbally agreed but not signed on the dotted line, and it’s far from uncommon for early stages of pre-production (such as checking the actors’ availability and pencilling in dates) to start while the legal departments are still going over the finer details of the commission. Not only that, they’d surely want to include confirmation that all four (or five?) regulars are returning in any press release, and they can’t do that until they’ve all signed their contracts.

Alternatively, even if it is all officially signed, sealed and delivered, it’s still their prerogative to announce it in their own good time. Take a look at the television industry right now. It’s on its arse. Nobody’s got any money, and so every single commercial broadcaster is scaling back its commissioning. They’re making fewer new programmes than ever before, and so naturally they want to control the release of information. No point shouting about all your big new shows now and then having nothing to announce for six months, they want to pace themselves.

Incidentally, this is often at odds with the wishes of the production companies and creatives behind the programmes, as they’re usually keen to get news of their successful commission out there as soon as possible, to prove to their peers and competitors that they’re still keeping their heads above to the water. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that all of Robert’s previous live streams stayed up on the channel, but this one was taken down, once it started taking off to a point where UKTV were undoubtedly aware of it.

Not all of the blame for the current confusion lies at the door of what passes for online journalism, although most of it does. Things would no doubt be a little more under control if we still had official sources of Red Dwarf news. Back when reddwarf.co.uk was updated on a weekly basis, they’d be able to elude to the show being in the news even if they weren’t able to officially say anything. A “watch this space” type placeholder was enough to assure people that things were happening behind the scenes, and that they’d be the source of the eventual news that people could truly trust. But we don’t even have @RedDwarfHQ any more, and so we’re in the faintly ludicrous position where the closest thing we’ve got to an official social media account is Robert Llewellyn tweeting in character as Kryten to 8,400 followers, looking to all and sundry like a parody account.

Look, we have no doubt that Red Dwarf is probably coming back. It seems extremely likely that everything Robert said in his live stream is true (or at least true to the best of his knowledge, as things stand), and that there will be official confirmation at some point in the next few months. It’s not that we don’t believe the stories, it’s just… well, we’ve been burned before. Consider this. In 1997’s Swirly Thing Alert special (coming soon to G&TV by the way), Robert Llewellyn told viewers of Seattle’s KCTS:

I think we probably will do [a movie]. They’ve raised a lot of the money for it already. The producers and the director, Ed Bye, are absolutely determined. They’ve booked the studios and you know… Officially, we’re doing a series, Series VIII, next year, in about a year’s time, and then after that, in the Fall of next year we’re supposed to be shooting Red Dwarf: The Movie. And also I think they’re going to combine it with a live stage show, where we’re actually trying out some of the dialogue we’ll use in the movie on stage so that we get an audience response and they’ll tighten it up and change it. […] It won’t be a Hollywood film, they want to do it with the original cast in Great Britain, but with American names too.

Everything he said was true, to the best of his knowledge, as things stood. But if the internet of 1997 was like the internet of 2024, the headlines would write themselves. Red Dwarf: The Movie CONFIRMED. It will be shot in Autumn 1998. It will be directed by Ed Bye. It will feature big-name American actors. The funding is in place. There will be a live stage show too.

And that’s just the most notorious example of the countless abandoned Red Dwarf projects that were discussed but never saw the light of day. We’re confident it won’t, but this latest special-slash-mini-series could go the same way. Which is why it’s important, as fans, to hold your fucking horses, and curb your excitement until we have official confirmation from the right people, at which point we’ll shout it from the rooftops. But unfortunately, when we do, those normies we mentioned at the start will go “pfft, this is old news, I saw it online ages ago”. UKTV and Grant Naylor will be denied the splash and the buzz that they’d been planning for, just because one journalist saw an opportunity to get a decent number of clicks from a premature and totally bogus “exclusive”, and kicked off the news cycle early.

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  • An excellent piece, and it’s interesting how this one relatively small event (spinning just one comment) perfectly encapsulates the exact wider problem.


    “All it takes is for these click-hungry demons to report on something you personally know something about, for you to realise that this is how it works.

    Absolutely.  My realisation was from keeping up with Cost of Living Payments, the energy crisis and government support, knowing how benefits work, etc.  Shattered any illusions I had of journalism still being to a decent standard.  Not even BBC News is reliable for domestic* matters. 

    The only way is indeed to go to the sources, but when most online sites don’t bother to cite any, it’s very difficult.

    *(International matters where they caveat reports saying they’re unconfirmed and they wait for BBC Verify results lends an air of at least attempted accuracy, but I’m not knowledgeable enough to know for sure).

  • All these so-called “journalists” will have egg on their face when they find out that Bobby and Craig just got their wires crossed, and the 90-minute/3 part special they’re actually shooting this year is Out of the Red.

  • An excellent rant. Well said. The state of clickbait “journalism” is a bloody shambles.

  • The Mirror & Metro have done stories on it this evening which appear to be pretty much the same although by 2 different people (not sure how that works) although some research appears to have gone into them.

    https://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/beloved-bbc-series-making-huge-32840966

    https://metro.co.uk/2024/05/18/hit-bbc-series-returning-screens-36-years-first-ever-episode-20865880/

    They do at least say Robert said it “on his YouTube channel” rather than Fully Charged and add a quote from another one he did (“‘We’ve all agreed to do more,’ he told his channel a couple of weeks ago, revealing all of the cast would be returning. ‘We’re not going to do a new series but we’re making something and it should be fun.’”)

    Interesting that they include Craig’s Liverpool Echo quote on there which I would suggest probably came via this site since it isn’t really something that’s easy to find on Google etc. unless you’re specifically looking for it (I only found it by accident a couple of months back when searching for a Craig interview on Twitter before posting here).

    However, I think the important thing in all of this is that Metro called it Reed Dwarf


  • Pretend I found a GIF of Richie from Bottom going “British journalism, Eddie. Best in the world.”

    I did look.

  • Pretend I found a GIF of Richie from Bottom going “British journalism, Eddie. Best in the world.”

    I did look.

    We need a Bottom version of the Smegadrive. (The Mega-Seedy?)

  • Here here. I’ve been pouring a truck of salt on the people questioning the “3” episodes why not “6” thing. Whatever happens this is one story. I think. One of those 2 specials that was ready and signed before the GNP situation. So it’s a tv movie or a mini event series. Watch the grumbles of they said 3 where are the other 2? Etc 

    Internet obsessives love jumping the gun, ooh look to me I’m Neil Armstrong I said the news first!! Happens all the time. Last year in my online world around the band Madness they had a number 1 album. They revealed the cover artwork in a set of teasers, revealing the LP backdrop first and then 1 band member pose at a time in pictures 24 Hours apart , and titles were teased In different interviews. 24 hours before the final reveal a fan photoshopped it all together into a composite image ( which was missing a heap of final art elements and quality issues) then guessed half wrong the title in their own font and circulated it as an exclusive, causing all of fandom and multiple press places to report the news with the wrong album art. Taking loads of extra work to correct when most people didn’t raise and eyebrow. Of no consequence at all really. You are right to rant. It’s the death of detail. That’s what’s brilliant about G&T detail. 






  • I am torn on this. As a footie fan I am well versed in clickbait these days, particularly during transfer windows. I do agree that the articles about new Red Dwarf being confirmed are of that ilk and not the most professional, BUT, I think some ‘blame’ needs to go Roberts way here. 

    If Mikel Arteta put out a video where he said 

    “People are asking me about new signings, I am interested in Isak, we have tabled an offer of £75m to Newcastle who are considering it” 

    I’m pretty sure you’d see a few articles (and more) about Arteta confirming his interest in Isak. I wouldn’t blame anyone. 

    There is also another, longer discussion about the reason/need for clickbait articles in the digital age but that’s for another time. 

  • This whole article, but especially ‘The Sun’,👌

    Looking forward to the G&TV on Swirly Thing Alert. I was wondering about the link to archive.org and sure enough the YouTube channel it used to be on is completely empty now, which is a shame as there were quite a few other interesting RD-related odds and sods on there as well. 

  • I am torn on this. As a footie fan I am well versed in clickbait these days, particularly during transfer windows. I do agree that the articles about new Red Dwarf being confirmed are of that ilk and not the most professional, BUT, I think some ‘blame’ needs to go Roberts way here. 

    If Mikel Arteta put out a video where he said 
    “People are asking me about new signings, I am interested in Isak, we have tabled an offer of £75m to Newcastle who are considering it” 
    I’m pretty sure you’d see a few articles (and more) about Arteta confirming his interest in Isak. I wouldn’t blame anyone. 
    There is also another, longer discussion about the reason/need for clickbait articles in the digital age but that’s for another time.

    Your example is very different though. These articles are reporting, as fact, that new Red Dwarf is confirmed in the same way they would if an official press release had been published. 

    If they had said “Robert Llewellyn told viewers on his YouTube channel there are plans to make more Red Dwarf in October. Neither UKTV or GNP have commented or confirmed this” that would be closer to your example of the reporting interest and closer to the actual truth.

    Taking an actors word on their YiuTube channel and in stone, solid, official confirmation something is happening and reporting it as such, whilst getting the details of what was said wrong, is sloppy at best and down right unprofessional at worst.

  • Yeah, I think the main problems here are the inaccuracies and failures to do even the most basic fact-checking. Nobody can be surprised that when Bobby reveals these details, they get reported on – but when so much of the reporting is wrong, with errors that then get repeated and magnified as they are unquestioningly rehashed by multiple outlets, I think much of the blame has to be shouldered by the people writing this stuff.

    Of course, there is a wider context to consider too. The publishing environment for free online content means that a lot of outlets are being whittled down to skeleton staff, with writers pushed to get stories out extremely quickly, without adequate editorial/fact-checking processes in place – and they’re actively encouraged to play up and sensationalise the most newsworthy aspects to drive engagement and views, which is what writers’ livelihoods depend on.

    But that’s still no excuse for such basic, obvious errors and lack of even the most cursory research. As has been said, when you read stories like this about something you know about in detail and realise how wrong the reports are, it makes you wonder how much you can trust them on anything else.

  • Looking forward to the G&TV on Swirly Thing Alert. I was wondering about the link to archive.org and sure enough the YouTube channel it used to be on is completely empty now, which is a shame as there were quite a few other interesting RD-related odds and sods on there as well.

    Yeah, I discovered that after writing 75% of our article, running out of time and attempting to come back to it after a couple of weeks! Thank goodness for archive.org, although they don’t also have Smegheads in Seattle, which was previously on that same YouTube channel.

  • It said we needed to enter a date of birth. I put in 14/09/2002, which is the day the site launched. I thought about it before submitting, but figured it would be fine because it’s nearly 22 years ago. It then immediately banned us because “we” were underage when we signed up for Twitter. Ffs.

    I’ve filled out all the forms so hopefully it should be back within a couple of days. Time was, I would have just been able to email one of my several contacts at Twitter to help me instantly, but they’ve all lost their jobs now. 

  • The Brasseye one is my favourite so far, but I must admire the effort from Jenuall in finding a grab where I’m facing the right angle.

  • The Brasseye one is my favourite so far, but I must admire the effort from Jenuall in finding a grab where I’m facing the right angle.

    I was worried this would be harder than it turned out – fortunately within the first few minutes of the ChatG&T video you struck the perfect pose!

  • Looking forward to the G&TV on Swirly Thing Alert. I was wondering about the link to archive.org and sure enough the YouTube channel it used to be on is completely empty now, which is a shame as there were quite a few other interesting RD-related odds and sods on there as well.

    Just noticed STA is on YouTube again. Really ropey quality compared to the upload that used to be on there though, and the one on archive.org but here it is anyway 


    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aDenxsJLedE

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