January 9, 2019 at 9:09 pm #241661
Doug just tweeted this:
Scientists have spotted repeating radio signals 1.5 billion light years into deep space directed at Earth. According to SETEE the signal is in an algorithmic rhythmic communication system which appears to translate as: ‘13 – when? 13 -when? Don’t make us invade.’ #RedDwarf.January 9, 2019 at 10:06 pm #241692
I don’t get it.January 9, 2019 at 10:10 pm #241695
It’s just a joke about a current news story. There is a scientific published document about a fast radio burst from deep space which is rare and causes debate about what is causing the signal whether it’s a star under unique conditions or Aliens!!January 9, 2019 at 10:21 pm #241702
Oh, I thought Doug had made the whole thing up and it was a complicated joke.January 10, 2019 at 8:49 am #242114
I thought it was some hidden message among the capitals type of tweet. Or maybe it is and no-one has cracked the code yet.January 10, 2019 at 9:30 am #242115
SESETEEDRD – what could it mean … what does any of this mean. This forum is covered in complete and utter, nonsense jibberishJanuary 10, 2019 at 10:15 am #242116
I think it’s something to do with the Daleks as Doug is hiding behind the SETEE.January 10, 2019 at 10:22 am #242117
Hopefully SETI/setee isn’t a tease of the standard of joke we can expect in XIII.January 10, 2019 at 11:16 am #242118
After the MILFs joke in XII it would still represent an improvement.January 10, 2019 at 11:52 am #242119
I honestly would advise anybody to not get your hopes up about a XIII. The commission/production/distribution line of XIII is defunct – Dave has completely different commissioners, Kerry Waddell is no longer at Baby Cow, Henry Normal is no longer at Baby Cow, and Dave are much more concerned with Taskmaster, having not mentioned Red Dwarf in a press release for some time now and with their merch store about to close. XII got a much softer marketing push, it’s not on the radar of the execs that are there now. They dropped the ball and lost momentum – in terms of chance of a new series we’re about where we were 15 years ago all over again. I’d love to see it happen and it’s not impossible, but I think we’re running on magic beans now. A tour via Phil McIntyre Promotions is still possible, but I’d bet actual money against it returning to TV and I think Doug’s being slightly cruel teasing something which to all intents and purposes may never exist. Hope I’m wrong, don’t think I am.January 10, 2019 at 12:26 pm #242120
The more I think about it, the more I feel like I’m actually not that fussed about a new series.
I think there’s been some good stuff in XI and XII but I think Skipper was a nice send-off for the show and I wouldn’t be upset if we didn’t see anything further.
A live show would be lots of fun and would make for a good celebration of the series, and I’d love to see another book at some point – and yes, I’d obviously look forward to a Series XIII if it was announced.
But I don’t feel the need for closure or correction in the same way as in the aftermath of series VIII.January 10, 2019 at 12:53 pm #242121
Same as Dave. The last half of XII made for the strongest ending since VI, and with all those nostalgic callbacks it would work nicely at the end of the legacy. They had a good run.January 10, 2019 at 1:13 pm #242122
Well, I still want to see XIII.January 10, 2019 at 1:28 pm #242123
I also agree that XII will have been a really nice thing to have gone out on. Four belters out of six, that’s astonishing.January 10, 2019 at 2:05 pm #242154
In one way i wanna see the show keep going. and in another i am kinda fed up of being disappointed by the new shows… so I’m a bit split on whether I’m that interested in a new series.
Either way Doug will probably find a way to get a new red dwarf off the ground.January 10, 2019 at 3:09 pm #242157
Given the amount of talk we’ve had about the series so far, I would be surprised if we don’t get a XIII. For all the focus on Taskmaster, RD has still been an enormous success for the channel, and I can’t imagine them turning it down.
At the same time, if there is less interest, it might take something like ‘the last ever series!’ or something for it to get commissioned. A lot of people would tune in to see the show’s send off.January 10, 2019 at 3:24 pm #242158
I wonder if a format like BTE is a possibility, if they finally wanted to do ‘Earth’ properly.January 10, 2019 at 3:47 pm #242159
I get the feeling that the existence and timing of the unexpected third series of Zapped, airing last year in the slot that XI and XII had, is somehow meaningful here.January 10, 2019 at 5:14 pm #242160
The only reason I want a XIII is because of Richard and Doug discussing extra rehearsal time in the XII doc. Otherwise I would be very happy if what we have is what we have. I know the G & T team and community would have plenty to discuss whatever happens. I am more hopeful for more Dwarfcasts than a new series.January 10, 2019 at 10:30 pm #242162
Threat level: Robert Llewellyn has taken “soon to be in Red Dwarf XIII” out of his Twitter bioJanuary 10, 2019 at 10:54 pm #242163
I don’t think I’d mind if there wasn’t an XIII. XI/XII were really inconsistent in terms of quality, and if we’re going to get an XIII with another episode as dreadful as Timewave, or as poorly-structured as Can Of Worms, then maybe it’s better to just leave it as it is. For all the problems I have with Skipper, it does work well enough as a final episode of the show, although arguably BtE and The Beginning were much, much better finales. Red Dwarf doesn’t need to go on forever, and I think 29 years is a pretty good runJanuary 10, 2019 at 11:36 pm #242165
Yup, if there’s going to be 2 poor episodes out of 12 probably best not to bother.January 11, 2019 at 1:10 am #242167
I remember some comedy writer or other say that in a sitcom series two episodes will be great, two will be average and two will be below average. I think you could apply that to most sitcoms and I think every Red Dwarf series (VII, VIII and BTE excluded) could be broken down this way. There was more than enough great stuff in XI and XII to justify XIII imo although I’m starting to think that Twentica may have been best of all straight out of the gate.January 11, 2019 at 1:38 am #242168
>I think every Red Dwarf series could be broken down this way
I don’t know, I think almost all of I-V’s episodes are great, and 4/6 of VI’s are great. The two great/two average/two below average system doesn’t really work for meJanuary 11, 2019 at 1:39 am #242169
I lost hope approximately when the biggest DJ ever went by without a peep about 13. Remember when it seemed very possible that we’d get not just a 13 but a 14? And then here we are almost convinced a 13 won’t ever happen. What is about this show where it can be so fucking popular and yet nobody ever wants to give it any money?January 11, 2019 at 1:51 am #242171
It was Ben Elton, when talking about Blackadder 2-4 specifically and sitcoms generally.January 11, 2019 at 1:57 am #242173
^ No it wasn’t, it was Richard Curtis.January 11, 2019 at 2:05 am #242174
It’s just frustrating as anything really wanting to have more of the Series XI/XII incarnation of Red Dwarf but only having 12 episodes, one of which is Timewave. As much as I loved Series X when it was the newest series, it’s just felt largely underwhelming in comparison to Series XI and XII since they came along. And Back to Earth of course isn’t something you’d just throw on as an episode of Red Dwarf to rewatch.
Even after a few years, Series XI and XII still have that newness to them. I don’t yet feel like with the original run of the show that I’ve seen it many times recently even when it’s been a while. There’s still a novelty to seeing these episodes that I haven’t been watching for more than a year or two. Even Series X dates back 6 years, and Back to Earth is literally coming up on its 10th anniversary.
I just want to keep enjoying new episodes of this show now that it can be consistently as enjoyable to me as the average classic episode. And I really can’t help but feel like it was Series X’s clusterfuck of a production that put us in the position we are now. X could have been as good as XI, _and_ XI could have come in like 2014 instead of 2016. If Series XI and XII had been shot in 2013 we’d almost definitely be waiting on Series XIV right now, or maybe even be coming off the back of its airing.
Red Dwarf had so much room to get new episodes made in the past decade that it couldn’t take advantage of because it was busy trying to get money or working out whatever stupid insane problems the previous production put up with. I personally would be infuriated if we didn’t get Series XIII after we came off the back of Series XII seeing it as a certainty, with even a Series XIV teased as likely by Doug.
And of course, I like Series XI and XII a lot more than most of you seem to. Series XI is one of my favorite series of the entire show, and the back half of XII is absolutely fantastic. I can’t say I feel satisfied with the show ending at Skipper when it’s only just finally regained its ability to produce such quality episodes.January 11, 2019 at 3:11 am #242177
For me Dave era Dwarf just suffers from unnecessarily over stuffed plots, over use of call backs and while there are funny moments, there are also bits of comedy that either go on too long, just don’t work that well or just seem more sketch show silly then funny.
Am also not fond of the direction Doug went with the Cat in the last 2 series. I dunno why Doug made him into an insecure idiotic teenager whose scared that his school chums will find out he is a virgin or needs glasses.
Even Skipper which is the highlight of 11 and 12 for me has some issues that I feel could have been fixed very easily.
So yeah I am abit nervous what Doug would do with a series 13January 11, 2019 at 4:09 am #242180
>Even Skipper which is the highlight of 11 and 12 for me has some issues that I feel could have been fixed very easily.
Yeah, agreed. It’s one of the better ones out of XI/XII, but I still think it has some problems here and there, especially towards the end of the episode.
I think maybe an XIII would be better than XI/XII because Doug would only have to write/direct 6 shows rather than 12, so shit like Timewave wouldn’t seep through the cracks, but even so… I don’t know. Out of the whole Dave era, the only one that actually FEELS like Red Dwarf to me is BtE. Which I know sounds weird given that the content of the story is nothing like Red Dwarf, but it works for me in a way that X-XII just doesn’t. Watching X-XII for me is like watching sort of, a slightly off-brand version of Red Dwarf, it doesn’t feel like I’m watching the same show as I-BtE.
I don’t know, I’d have to wait until a Series XIII was actually made until I could pass judgement on it. One one hand, it could be an entire Series of stuff as good as Give & Take, but on the other hand it could open up another Can Of Worms, which would be rubbish. I think an XIII has the potential to be good though, that’s for sure. Doug can write really good Dwarf sometimesJanuary 11, 2019 at 5:53 am #242195
Everybody knows that if there’s even the slightest chance that one sixth of your work might be a little sketchy you should just not bother at all, right?January 11, 2019 at 3:03 pm #242213
Frankly, just from my own writing experience, I think it’s pretty astounding that we got as many good episodes as we have from Doug alone when the show used to be a joint effort. Trying to fill in for your co-writer’s brain is a bitch, doubly so because you’re missing the voice that tells you when something isn’t working or suggests an idea you’d never have thought of.January 11, 2019 at 3:37 pm #242214
For me, the last three episodes of XII were where Dave Dwarf began to forge its own identity. Despite all three episodes having heavy (and, in places, unnecessary) call-backs, they don’t feel like they could be so easily called “a mix of II and IV” or whatever, in the way that X, XI and earlier XII episodes do. I’m hoping Doug can carry this on for at least a series.January 11, 2019 at 3:43 pm #242215
I feel the new shows could be far better than it actually are, because i have seen the show be better in the early days so i know its possible. its just the balance for the new shows is all over the place and i think it doesn’t help that Doug has taken full creative control over everything.
I think what made alot of the early best episodes work would be lost if they were made today because Doug wants to throw in so many ideas and probably add an extra bit of edge to the episodes, as well as really pushing the humour to be louder and a bit sketchy.
I think if Dimension Jump was made today it wouldn’t be a simple character piece story about a parallel rimmer from another dimension helping the crew get off a water planet. it would probably still be the water planet stuff but there would be an extra threat at the end like some villains or another sci-fi issue that needs to be fixed to top off the episode, and it would have Rimmer desperately trying to upstage Ace and making himself look silly multiple times, and then it would probably end with Rimmer saving the day and getting some earned respect from Ace while Rimmer looks like he is about to give some mutual respect back… but then just is a cocky git about it (enter audience applause)
Basically it would be dimension jump, but with an extra 7-10 minutes, then trimmed down the whole thing to 28-29 minutes.January 11, 2019 at 8:56 pm #242224
Dax, your capacity to make things up and then get genuinely annoyed about them never ceases to amaze me.January 11, 2019 at 9:54 pm #242226
Maybe UKTV will pass on XIII and Doug can take it to the BBC who could give it a 6 or 8 episode series to finish the show for good. Rob could even come back for it. It started and ended on BBC 2. How fitting.
What? After Brexit, anything can happen.January 16, 2019 at 12:32 am #242577
Let’s get Rob Grant writing his own Red Dwarf IX.January 17, 2019 at 6:48 pm #242673
Darrell, you’re back out of retirement. What brought you back?January 17, 2019 at 11:57 pm #242731
Apathy for my own apathy.January 18, 2019 at 7:11 am #242757
Wasn’t that a Metallica album?January 21, 2019 at 9:59 pm #242950
So when does Doug announce that sales of the I-VIII Blu-ray collection (and resulting sales of Dave era series) have not only guaranteed Series XIII, but provided enough extra funding to not only massively increase per-episode production values but allow for 8 episodes, giving you just that much more show without over-stretching Doug?
It could happen.
I mean it won’t, but it’s technically possible.January 22, 2019 at 12:54 pm #242999
Den Of Geek had me going for a second there with their latest Dwarf article.
“With more Red Dwarf on the way…”January 22, 2019 at 2:07 pm #243007
Andrew followed that up by saying the fact he hasn’t had a call to work on XIII probably means that it isn’t imminentJanuary 22, 2019 at 2:25 pm #243016
Odd that DoG keeps suggesting that XIII is a done deal.
Brimming over with wrongability.January 26, 2019 at 2:24 pm #243312
Seb has updated the TOS FAQs this past week but is this XIII answer new/updated?
“Following the success of the most recent series on Dave, new episodes of Red Dwarf are something that all parties have a keen interest in making happen. As always with the world of TV commissioning and production, however, various things have to be worked out and worked through in order to bring it to the screen.”
With the update in mind, it’s interesting that the official response still indicates that all parties want to make XIII happen.
I am very curious as to what all these issues could be. It seemed that XI/XII had much smoother productions than X and came in at a lower cost per episode.January 26, 2019 at 6:54 pm #243315
Pete Part Three
So when are tickets available?January 27, 2019 at 3:41 am #243350
Den of Geek has been insisting Series XIII has been officially commissioned basically since Series XII finished airing. Sometimes the actual article admits the headline is straight-up lying and actually spells out the situation as it is, but it’s not like anyone pays attention to that part and they know it.January 27, 2019 at 10:23 pm #243364
>So when are tickets available?
I think the person to ask is Robert Llewellyn. Best thing to do is tweet him.January 28, 2019 at 12:48 am #243368
the delay is due to finalizing things with rob and a new deal with netflix.January 28, 2019 at 2:14 am #243369
Netflix should work out some new deals where they actually put stuff people would want to watch on their platform. The only decent thing I could find on there was Red Dwarf, and I’ve already seen that
Also they have Ghostbusters 2 but not the first one??February 7, 2019 at 12:14 pm #243937
DaveFebruary 7, 2019 at 1:32 pm #243938
Ah, this will be why every factual CBeebies show lately seems to be made in the house style of Discovery Kids.February 7, 2019 at 5:51 pm #243939
Dave generally seems to be moving away from “scripted” comedy, and going for things scripted to appear that they don’t have a script. Taskmaster was a massive success and now it seems like everyone that’s ever been on Taskmaster has been given a show on Dave. Hypothetical (?) being the latest with Josh Widdicombe (ugh) and James Acaster. Probably costs about 20 quid outside of talent and has a broad appeal with the ‘Would I Lie To You, ‘Mock the Week’ and ‘Taskmaster’ crowd, compared to Red Dwarf which employs people like The Model Unit and Millennium Effects and doesn’t have the mass market appeal, though it is very popular.
Financially it’s no surprise it’s yet to return. I’d love it to go somewhere else to be honest, Dave’s great and all but I feel like it forces Dwarf to be something slightly different because it’s ‘the comedy channel’. The dream would be Netflix but I can’t see it.February 7, 2019 at 6:11 pm #243942
Panel shows will always be cheap to make. And you can come up with a million and one different formats that are really just vehicles for comedians to be funny.
I would largely agree with what your saying about Dave spending its money there as its cheaper, but Red Dwarf has constantly been the highest ratings show on Dave. Taskmaster has come close, only to be surpassed by Red Dwarf again.
And for how Doug etc tells it, they’re always making Red Dwarf on a shoe string. It might be more than a panel show, but I wouldn’t mind betting it isn’t that much more. Especially when they only have to make 6 episodes a year for it, production is just a couple of months etc, and Taskmaster films and broadcasts 16 in a year, pretty much making it all year round at this point.
Red Dwarf also has the ability to generate DVD sales and such, which panel shows don’t really do. They just get repeated ad infinitum on Dave. Which is something Dave could do more with the Red Dwarf it owns if it wanted to, the way it used to with classic Dwarf back in the day which lead it to making the damn show in the first place.February 7, 2019 at 7:57 pm #243944
I think Taskmaster is ahead of Dwarf now, ratings-wise, isn’t it?February 7, 2019 at 8:19 pm #243946
I said it before, but I’ll say it again, it would be interesting if Red Dwarf actually ended up back on BBC 2.
It’s not as if BBC 2 couldn’t use some decent programming…February 7, 2019 at 9:36 pm #243949
Red Dwarf back on BBC Two is hardly the most far fetched thing. The BBC have been known to dust off some old comedy shows and bring them back and Dwarf remains one of their most popular. As much as I appreciate all that Dave has done for Dwarf, new Dwarf would certainly get a viewing figures bump if it were to be shown on the BBC rather than Dave.February 7, 2019 at 9:54 pm #243951
Maybe when Doctor Who gets put on hiatus/cancelled they’ll re-revive Dwarf and give Doug all the budget.
Doug will then do a series with an improved budget that looks nice and then stop making it so he can work on the movie again.
In 2030 digital channel Phil will commission a new special with all the cast being digitally de-aged.February 7, 2019 at 10:03 pm #243952
>I think Taskmaster is ahead of Dwarf now, ratings-wise, isn’t it?
I’d seen this mentioned before and just accepted it but now I’ve had a look at the BARB.
All 7-day viewing:
Taskmaster S05E05: 0.635m
Taskmaster S05E06: 0.652m
Taskmaster S05E07: 0.593m
Taskmaster S05E08: 0.875m (the finale)
Red Dwarf also does a little better in 28-day viewing and repeats (marginal but noticeable).
Taskmaster Series 6 and 7 have upped a little on that. A few of the episodes go above 1m in 7-day viewing:
Taskmaster S06E01: 1.238m
Taskmaster S06E10: 1.109m
Taskmaster S07E01: 1.131m
I’d say they are roughly at the same level of success now. Which is great as they are both two of the best shows on TV.February 7, 2019 at 10:08 pm #243953
Taskmaster is easy and quick to make too. Alex Horne and Tim Key write it, they do all the task inserts in mini blocks with a skeleton crew, edit the packages, shoot the live nights very close together, cut those and they’ve got ten hours of television which can be ready for TX very soon after the recordings.
Red Dwarf is a mixture of being genuinely more complicated to make than a regular sitcom and just being a deceptively ordinary sitcom to make that’s terminally prone to having its production overcomplicated by a kamikaze, self-sabotaging showrunner with a chronic resistance to the creative assistance of outsiders bordering on absolute madness and less of an aptitude for writing last minute script pages on the fly than he thinks he has.February 7, 2019 at 10:08 pm #243954
Any figures on how much they cost to make?February 7, 2019 at 10:13 pm #243955
Taskmaster is probably deceptively expensive as it has 7 name leads at a time, and Avalon are notorious for playing financial hardball. But then again they don’t need any of their people for anywhere near as long and they get triple the finished screentime as Dwarf gets.February 7, 2019 at 10:24 pm #243956
It would be interesting if the BBC were once again interested in the type of audience Red Dwarf used to attractFebruary 7, 2019 at 10:26 pm #243957
Even if Taskmaster is more ‘successful’ now, Red Dwarf is still the channel’s second most successful show, and one which really opened up the channel to original programming. It’s the closest to a classic / legacy show the channel has, and I’d be really, really surprised if they turned down the chance for another series.February 10, 2019 at 10:46 am #244071
My bad on the Taskmaster ratings comparison, I may have just been thinking of overnights.February 10, 2019 at 11:51 am #244075
Red Dwarf also gave Dave it’s highest ever rating and also holds the record for the most watched TV show on a non-terrestrial UK channel ever.February 10, 2019 at 12:15 pm #244077
10 years ago though. Not a lot in real terms but I’d be amazed if there’s a single person at Dave or UKTV now who was there when that happened. And again, that wouldn’t be relevant were it not telly, where everyone wants to come in with a new broom because they’re all paranoid. BBC Two were callously uninterested by VIII’s ratings record what, 7 years later?March 28, 2019 at 5:56 pm #246736
Chris has done a news update on his site and there’s no reference to the small rouge one whatsoever. More on this story as it develops.April 3, 2019 at 2:39 pm #247128
The full BBC Studios takeover of UKTV has gone ahead. Though awful news for television (it’s pretty much the final push for the BBC’s now irreversible journey of going fully privatised) it’s theoretically good news for Red Dwarf as it takes one finger out of the pie. If Worldwide judge Red Dwarf to be beneficially profitable out of the box then in theory there’s not a lot in the way of them commissioning more. In reality though there’s Doug Naylor and his being afflicted with an ancient curse which turns every advantage into a problem.April 7, 2019 at 11:58 pm #247217
Well, personally I’ve given up all hope for a series XIII. I’m across the pond and so slightly more out of
the loop than most of you, but I have heard not a single word that gave me hope for more episodes.
Reading through these comments hasn’t brightened my outlook either to be honest. What with the
BBC/Dave buyout/take over news (of which I’ve been entirely unaware) and the complete absence of
even a peep from Mr. John-Jules (only dwarfer I follow on Twitter) my original optimism is now
completely gone. Very very sad about that but….. what can you do? I still have all my DVD’s of the show and actually watched some of series 1 again this morning so the Boys from the Dwarf will always be making me laugh regardless. To me its all the more sad because I thought XI and XII were very good entries in the canon. Hell, I even think Timewave is better than most seem to think. (to me the absolute worst part of that episode involved the damn costumes! The guest star was brilliant imho)
Anyway, while you British MAY have an opportunity for some kind of “live show” involving the Dwarf and its crew, its completely out of the question for me and the rest of its American fans. So, in the last few months after lurking here to look for any good news, I have finally and completely given up even a shred of hope. Red Dwarf will never completely die, the shows we have are just too damn good for that to happen but as far as any new stuff goes……….. I’ve already paid my respects and cherish the memories.April 8, 2019 at 3:37 pm #247262
I kind of agree, but look at the first third of 2009. Death of hope to televised Red Dwarf within the space of about ten weeks.April 8, 2019 at 7:55 pm #247267
Pete Part Three
Red Dwarf XII aired less than two years ago. A sense of perspective wouldn’t go amiss.April 8, 2019 at 9:43 pm #247270
To be fair it was filmed over three years ago, and announced four years ago, two and a half years before it aired. It *is* very much a past tense thing and all momentum is definitely gone. That’s not a defeatist attitude, it’s just factual observation. TV might have got to a point recently where popular shows may not necessary air new series annually anymore, but they’re certainly not dormant for FOUR YEARS.
It’s also worth noting that we are now as far away from the XI/XII announcement as that was from the X announcement. If we’re heading into yet another potential announcement as speculated, I feel like the tour – which pre-dates XI as a project – is more likely. And perhaps more vital as a next step than ‘they’re back, again, again, again, again!’
It certainly shouldn’t be viewed as negativity or hyperbole for someone to agree that XIII is starting to stretch credibility as a plausible going concern. Because it obviously is, particularly in light of GNP’s consistently lax attitude towards organisational competency of late. To *believe*, not hope, otherwise might be borderline masochism.April 9, 2019 at 6:54 am #247318
Pete Part Three
I’m dubious on the importance of “momentum”, especially in UK Telly, where incredibly well-received shows regularly take long gaps. British TV has *never* got to the point where new series have had to air annually. That’s a US thing, and more and more of them are taking extended breaks.
When well-loved shows return, they will find their audience. Let’s use, um, Red Dwarf as an example. It was dormant for 10 years.
It’s produced just 12 series in 31 years, so I wouldn’t be tapping my watch and tutting. I seriously doubt we’ve seen the last of it on telly.April 9, 2019 at 9:00 am #247319
During the 10 year hiatus, Red Dwarf was nurtured very well – in addition to the movie hype there were five years of high profile DVD releases with huge sales and high profiles. It was only really 2001 and 2008 where the brand wasn’t being aggressively pushed in some way, and they were mostly down to the movie stalling and merch fatigue, legitimate post-activity rests. When current TV shows take 9 or 18 months out, they’re still making sure all their plates are spinning. Even Fawlty Towers had high profile repeats, books and records in its gap.
Compare that to 2018, the brand-vital thirtieth anniversary year – where literally nothing happened at all. All that happened in 2017 was that XII aired and the DVD appeared in shops – it was all completed and signed off the year before. It wasn’t like 2018 was a rest year, because they’d technically already had one they could have strategically utilised. Regardless of anything that was happening behind the scenes, that’s a definite slipup in brand momentum, and one worryingly complacent about the ever-present nature of an aging fanbase. I don’t think Red Dwarf has infinite stamina, nor infinite luck, nor infinite charity from its fans, and it’s perhaps over-reliant on the continued existence of all three.
Since XII, nothing has happened. Nothing. I’m not counting the box set because its belated release was low-key to an almost homeopathic degree and even the most recent of its contents was 11 years old, and so that’s an incredibly long period of dormancy considering when XII would have been completed and picture-locked. We’re already back to the main news articles for any month being ‘Norman Lovett to headline anti-dandruff benefit gig in Colchester’ and ‘this week’s Radio Times features Red Dwarf at number 17 in its list of Top 20 Sci-Fi Sitcoms That Used To Be On BBC Two’. That’s not what happens when you’re waiting to go into pre-production on your next series. Your online shop doesn’t usually shut either.April 9, 2019 at 11:46 am #247346
It’s hard not to feel deflated at the absurdly long gap we’re well into at the minute, but I don’t actually see anything that suggests it’s not going to happen. If Doug and the cast are up for it, there’s no way Dave are going to turn it down (as I said a couple of months ago, it’s one of their two most successful shows).
If anything, the gap is making it more likely that the next series (or two) will be the last. If this gap is to be expected, then Rob will be into his 70s if another block comes along after XIII. So we could be on for a final series next. But I’m still confident we’ll get more, whatever happens.April 9, 2019 at 12:02 pm #247347
I think there’s a danger of getting a bit too worked-up over all of this. All indications have been that Doug is keen to make XIII happen and that the cast seem to be open to more, it just seems to be a case of things having to align internally to make it happen – and with all the recent upheaval at Dave it probably hasn’t been easy to get it to that stage yet.
It’s easy to sit back and complain that all the people involved in Red Dwarf aren’t doing anything to make a new series happen, but do we really think that’s true? Let’s give them some credit and assume that they are actually doing what they can, within the limitations that they’re working within, and we’ll just have to wait and see.
I can see how some fans would be disappointed by the quietness of the last year or two, but maybe we should be mindful that there’s probably more going on than we have knowledge of.
Personally, I feel less angry that there’s no confirmation of Series XIII and more grateful that we got Dave-era Red Dwarf at all. I’ve enjoyed the last few series, but as I said upthread, I won’t be desperately sad if there isn’t any more.
A lot of ageing franchises get bogged down by endless fan moaning and entitlement, let’s not let it happen to Red Dwarf.April 9, 2019 at 12:42 pm #247348
Doug seems incredibly motivated to get new Red Dwarf out there, so either way i think there will be new Red Dwarf at some point, even if Doug has to turn a clip show budget into another 3 part special.
But that said i don’t even think Doug has given up on the movie idea yet.April 9, 2019 at 2:24 pm #247349
Shoes Have Soles
Personally I would be quite surprised if we get another Series. In 20 years Doug has managed one special and one 6 series (which nearly fell apart when making it) without Baby Cow helping out.
Visionary genius writer and all round good bloke? Yes. Realistic and efficient tv producer? Probably not.
I am in the camp of being very grateful of the post Dave tv shows and treated those as a hugely welcome bonus to one of my favourite tv shows ever. But everything has its time and I think RD might well have past it. Sorry.April 9, 2019 at 4:12 pm #247352
To be fair, I’m neither moaning here not acting in an entitled way, and I have already said in this thread that I’d be perfectly happy with XII and Skipper as an endpoint. I also fully acknowledged that more may have been going on behind the scenes than it appears. But the *brand* has definitely been neglected and all the clues are there that XIII is unlikely to happen, which I went through one by one. That’s all I said!
The whole Dave era has been a lovely, impossible extra life for Red Dwarf. But that *was* our bonus go, our flash of lightning, our get-out-of-jail-free card. We cashed it in and spent it already.April 9, 2019 at 5:23 pm #247353
“I’m not counting the box set” is fucking absurd, it’s a thing that happened and it was a fairly big undertaking regardless of if you liked it or not, when you define your own arbitrary rules of what “counts” and what doesn’t your whole argument falls apart. The sense of entitlement certain people seem to have about -demanding- that Series XIII be made NOW is astonishing to see, really. Why don’t you go tweet Doug to just try harder at getting it made? I’m sure he would appreciate the advice.April 9, 2019 at 5:24 pm #247355
Doug spent 6-7 years trying to get a movie off the ground. He won’t give up that easy when it comes to getting new Red Dwarf off the ground.
Personally i don’t know whether i want a new series. i wasn’t that impressed by most of the Dave era and it gets depressing the more the show goes on and the more the show becomes a shadow of its glory days.
Even a stage show which Doug also wants to do i feel doesn’t suit the shows format. especially the idea of it being a new story but with old scenes redone by the cast. But Doug seems to want to get that off the ground.April 9, 2019 at 5:28 pm #247356
Why so defeatist about it? It’ll either happen or it won’t, go watch something else in the meantimeApril 9, 2019 at 5:35 pm #247357
“Why so defeatist about it?”
Every Dax post comes with 2 free scoops of negativity.April 9, 2019 at 5:43 pm #247358
Hey i pretty much said i was confident Doug would make more Red Dwarf. id say that could be considered positive. but i ain’t gonna lie about how i feel about it ;p
My 2 scoops of negativity will come with chocolate syrup if there is any syrup to use ;pApril 9, 2019 at 8:25 pm #247364
Ben, read my posts again. Including the one where I specifically say I’m not bothered either way as to whether there’s a XIII or not and that I’m just listing the reasons why a XIII seems highly unlikely.
It’s not spreading toxicity to point out that every bridge Red Dwarf has crossed over the last 20 years has, for various reasons, burnt up behind it. The movie’s impossible, there’s no more money in the back catalogue, they’re never going to get a giant VFX team for free again, they can’t make a series alone again, they can’t make a series with Baby Cow again as their two chief allies have left, and they’re highly unlikely to make a new series for Dave again as the chiefs have changed, XII had noticeably muted promo and UKTV closed down the merch outlet.
At every juncture I’ve stressed that a live show *is* an open option available to them right now, as is Big Finish who are gagging to work with RD and could easily have done so for the 30th.
One thing I’ll pull you up on though – what part of the box set was “a big undertaking”? TOS might have done a good job at talking it up pre-release, and it might have taken forever to actually emerge, but in essence it was a very run-of-the-mill mastering project in order to gain shelf real-estate for BBCWW in a chain of shops that bellyflopped before they could buy it in. It certainly wasn’t ‘output’, and if a very simple repressing exercise can count as one it does kind of prove my point about how the brand has been laying inert for longer than would be practically expected by a channel or partner looking to co-produce a series XIII as a going concern.April 9, 2019 at 9:38 pm #247366
Personally speaking, I’d be more than happy with a book or two.April 9, 2019 at 10:27 pm #247371
I kind of feel like I’d be happy with *anything* else, in the sense that we’ve already had much more than I ever expected. But I’ll also be happy enough if that’s it.
I’m sure Doug’s doing his best to keep the possibility of new projects in play, and I’m not going to sit here second-guessing it all, feeling like I could do it better or berating him for doing a shit job. I don’t feel like Red Dwarf owes me anything at this point.April 9, 2019 at 11:10 pm #247374
>what part of the box set was “a big undertaking”?
The box set. You can criticise it to your heart’s content, but remastering eight series of television from the 90s into HD and sticking them on Blu-Ray’s and chucking them into vans to be distributed into all the different shops around the country is more than an afternoon’s workApril 10, 2019 at 9:57 am #247440
I don’t think Doug was driving the vans.
Seriously though, in the scheme of the DVD industry, even as it now stands, that release would be regarded as small fry by most criteria. Stuff is rebundled and repackaged and reversioned all the time. The process behind the RD Bluray box was no different to or more complicated than a film or an NTSC show being prepared for a PAL DVD, which happens every day. Even the compiling of the Bodysnatcher disc afresh from old assets would be second nature to even tiny boutique labels. Just because Doug’s ancient curse turned it all into a mountain doesn’t mean it wasn’t still a molehill. That’s not even a criticism, that’s just contextualising what that release was. It was a simple squeeze.April 10, 2019 at 10:50 am #247442
they’re highly unlikely to make a new series for Dave again as the chiefs have changed
I don’t get this. The people at Dave now are going to go “This was an enormously successful show for our channel that spearheaded our line in original content, let’s not have any more of it”?April 10, 2019 at 11:52 am #247443
In anything else in the world, that would be insane. In UK telly, nobody wants to recommission the shows that their predecessors commissioned. This is clearly abhorrently stupid, but clean sweeps under a new broom have been the norm since the 80s at least. Whether it’s BBC One primetime or CBeebies, that’s what happens. Always. Axe happy.April 10, 2019 at 12:00 pm #247444
Drop the enormously successful and expensive Red Dwarf? The BBC did something similar in the 90s, didn’t it?
Darrell, I agree with you an all accounts. I hope I’m misreading the tone of the replies people have been sending you. They seem aggressive, but I could be inferring a tone which isn’t there. I just want to say your contribution to this forum is always great and I hope people aren’t putting you off.
Who is in charge of Dave these days? I’ve Googled but too much of an idiot to find the information, I guess.
I haven’t thought this post through.April 10, 2019 at 12:10 pm #247445
The only things immune from this, that sit in a kind of sacred safe zone, are shows where there would be negative consequences for the commissioner if they axed them. Whether that be unstoppable brand momentum where the show becomes more famous than the channel (Bake Off, Call The Midwife), long term contractual agreements that would be costly to break (Mrs Browns Boys or golden handcuffs deals that go wrong like when BBC1 signed Jim Davidson and couldn’t get rid), a show where its profits are big enough to prop up the channel financially (Doctor Who, Sherlock) or anticipated viewer pushback significant enough to create PR issues (any BBC or ITV soap). I don’t think Red Dwarf has ever been in that zone for Dave like it was for BBC2 in the 1990s. Taskmaster, if not for Avalon reasons than anything else, has probably gained immunity from this sort of thing, but Dwarf is easy meat.April 10, 2019 at 5:17 pm #247449
>Drop the enormously successful and expensive Red Dwarf? The BBC did something similar in the 90s, didn’t it?
Well really no they didn’t. the BBC were fully onboard with making more Red Dwarf all through out the 90s. and from what it sounds like they were onboard with it after series 8 too since they apparently kept money aside for a potential new series after… problem is i think Doug left it too long to go back and say hey can we have that money now? and by that point the BBC were like nah.April 10, 2019 at 5:32 pm #247451
he really ought to have kept the TV show going whilst trying to get the movie off the ground, at least for the first year or so.April 10, 2019 at 7:27 pm #247453
> At every juncture I’ve stressed that a live show *is* an open option available to them right now, as is Big Finish who are gagging to work with RD and could easily have done so for the 30th.
BF *are* meant to have recently acquired four new licensed properties. One of them is Adam Adamant Lives, we don’t know what the other three are…April 10, 2019 at 11:45 pm #247458
I kind of feel like I’d be happy with *anything* else, in the sense that we’ve already had much more than I ever expected. But I’ll also be happy enough if that’s it.
This is of course the correct attitude. Ending on ‘Skipper’ would at least tie things up in a neat fashion, certainly a damn sight better than Ed Bye copping a knee to the bollocks.
Whatever the likelihood of new series, I do think that a show that’s spanned thirty years, with such a rich and diverse universe of characters and stories deserves to continue and expand into new forms – whether it’s through books, comics, animation, videogames – whatever.
I’m convinced there’s still a strong audience out there, TV or otherwise, but it’s in Doug’s hands, and after what must have been a fairly exhausting decade for him, I can understand if he wants to finally put the show to bed.April 11, 2019 at 12:10 am #247459
Red Dwarf: The Next GenerationApril 11, 2019 at 12:44 am #247460
Jim & Bexley’s Saturday Night Takeaway.April 11, 2019 at 12:55 pm #247473
Pretty sure it’s been said here before that Doug’s already turned down Big Finish.
I like the idea of it in some ways, but without an audience, and with the possibility of getting other writers in, I’m not sure how good it would be anyway…April 11, 2019 at 4:04 pm #247474
The one thing BF could definitely do without having to worry about other writers or no audience is dramatised adaptations of the novels.April 11, 2019 at 4:37 pm #247475
Nothing to say BF wouldn’t have got an audience in if Doug or the cast had asked for it. I think he was absolutely mad to say no when he did. Loads of different things they could have done. Expanded universe spinoffs (Kochanski, Cat People, Ace Rimmer, pre-accident ship stories with side characters), novel adaptations, Chris Barrie readings of new short stories, full blown radio episodes… could even do ‘Red Dwarf Unplugged’ at last if they wanted. It would have made money, grown the audience and grown the brand.April 11, 2019 at 4:53 pm #247476
I think I’m in the ‘less is more’ camp when it comes to that kind of spinoff stuff.
Loads of different things they could have done. Expanded universe spinoffs (Kochanski, Cat People, Ace Rimmer, pre-accident ship stories with side characters)
This sounds worse to me than a year with nothing at all.
I think we have to give Doug some credit for having an eye on quality-control (cue Timewave jokes) and not wanting to just license out RD for the sake of having stuff out there. It would be very easy for him to do that, but I think it would risk making the show itself feel like less of a special event when it came along.April 11, 2019 at 5:23 pm #247477
Yes, Big Finish’s tendency to do go one spin-off too far is something I wouldn’t be keen on Red Dwarf following.
April 11, 2019 at 6:21 pm #247478
Yeah, I don’t think Big Finish is necessarily the route to go – nobody needs a ten part saga centred around the Dibbley Family.
Personally, I think Red Dwarf has always lent itself to graphic novel/comic incarnations – something along the lines of ‘Prelude to Nanarchy’ could work really well, especially with Doug’s writing and involvement.April 11, 2019 at 6:57 pm #247479
Perhaps the problem with Big Finish is that it would reduce the chances of a new series. after all if fans can get their fix through audio then why would they pay out a budget to actually make the show?
But if fans are thirsty for more and there is only one way to get it, then there will be much more hype.
As for Doug and quality control… i sometimes think that filter may need a refresh :PApril 11, 2019 at 7:06 pm #247480
Perhaps the problem with Big Finish is that it would reduce the chances of a new series.
Yes, that’s why there hasn’t been any new Doctor Who on TV since the Paul McGann movie.April 11, 2019 at 7:11 pm #247482
The big finish stuff is mostly on the doctors of the past. the only way you get more adventures on them currently.April 11, 2019 at 8:01 pm #247483
Yes, I think Doctor Who is a bit of a special case in that each new Doctor refreshes the show to such an extent that it feels like a mini-relaunch each time, so new material featuring the old Doctors doesn’t tread on the toes of the current series in the same way.
I have nothing against the idea of Red Dwarf in audio form, and stuff like the audiobooks and Bodysnatcher has proved it can work that way. But I wouldn’t personally have any interest in spinoffs featuring minor Red Dwarf characters of the past, and I’m not sure that it would make a new RD TV series any more likely even if it did happen.
If the TV series finally hit a hard endpoint and we knew that no Series XIII was ever going to be on the cards, I guess full-cast audios could be fun if Doug and the cast were willing and able.April 11, 2019 at 8:43 pm #247485
I think once you get into all this area, I realise… I don’t really *need* to see any more of the Dwarfers. I have no appetite for any of this stuff at all, in the same way that I don’t listen to Doctor Who Big Finish stuff either. I have too much other shit I’ll never get round to listening to first.
Which is not a reason not to make any of that stuff, of course. This is about my limits, not the show’s.April 11, 2019 at 9:02 pm #247486
Yeah, that’s kind of what I’m getting at for me, too. I obviously wouldn’t object to any of this stuff existing for other people to enjoy it, but I don’t personally have much (if any) interest and I’m not even that desperate for more of the TV series.April 12, 2019 at 7:31 am #247487
Pete Part Three
I’ll take one more Red Dwarf outing as long as it’s a TV sitcom and has everyone drawing a line under it, rather than making the occasional noise about bringing it back. No interest in stage shows, spin-offs, radio re-imaginings, TV reboots or 80 minute Blade Runner tributes. The only interest `I have in Red Dwarf in other mediums is in book-form, and that’s more on the original stuff in the first two.
If a fan wants Red Dwarf: The Next Generation, I’m kind of baffled as to why they like Red Dwarf in the first place.April 12, 2019 at 7:24 pm #247521
I see that Doug, Craig, Danny, Bobby & Norman are doing ‘Stoke Con Trent’ this weekend so hopefully someone will ask how things are looking (I imagine the answers will range from ‘no idea’ to ‘fingers crossed’ if so)April 13, 2019 at 3:01 pm #247612
John Cleese’s Bitch
I’d hope if they do get renewed they’d go out with the intention of Red Dwarf XIII (or XIV) being the last one.
Since I bet they can make it really special if they went in with the intention this was the conclusion. Plus, I bet it being the final would boost ratings and probably interest Dave more than just another series would.April 16, 2019 at 3:25 pm #247779
Seems worth noting here that Zapped has been cancelledApril 16, 2019 at 5:29 pm #247780
My mate is going to be Craig Charles’ artist liaison at an upcoming festival he’s scheduled to appear at, an MD I’ve asked him to inquire about the XIII situation. It pays to have friends in high places.
(He’ll probably just get the standard “hopefully/soon” answer)April 29, 2019 at 11:12 pm #248340
One way or another, I’m just glad the show hasn’t ended (for the time being, at least) on a cliffhanger.May 9, 2019 at 9:23 pm #248792
Well we have the recent pics Danny has been posting of some form of meeting and a pic yesterday of him getting a teeth moulding done. So it would appear something is afoot…May 24, 2019 at 2:31 pm #249682
Robert just announced XIII on TalksportMay 24, 2019 at 2:38 pm #249691
Oddly glossed over but along the lines of “Are you doing any more?” “We are, we start filming XIII” followed by discussion of the show in general.May 24, 2019 at 2:46 pm #249700
Evidently I was the only person to tune in since it’s got no mentions at all on twitter. Would think once the show finishes at 4 it’ll be on listen again at the link below, almost exactly halfway through.May 24, 2019 at 3:01 pm #249701
This makes all the overly-pessimistic comments about how XIII was never going to happen and that rubbish someone posted about a stage show “definitely happening” seem a bit silly, doesn’t it
Also- Series XIII! Fuck yeahMay 24, 2019 at 4:26 pm #249702
Original (in better quality) https://talksport.com/radio/listen-again/1558699200/1558702800/ (28 mins in)May 24, 2019 at 4:33 pm #249703
I don’t know what I’m looking forward to more, Series XIII or the response to it from certain people who assured us it was definitely not going to happen ever, we were definitely getting a stage show and that Danny definitely wouldn’t be getting his teeth moulded for another series.
Great news to wake up to (at 4pm), thoughMay 24, 2019 at 4:44 pm #249705
Everybody tweet Doug to make sure the editor on XIII realizes they have more than one model shot and music cue and that you don’t need to invoke that same fucking music cue when Howard Goodall literally composed something new and specific.
I’m an overall fan of XI / XII but I want to see the handling of model shots and music not done incompetently this time.
XII had a great soundtrack that got 90% thrown out.May 24, 2019 at 4:56 pm #249706
I can hear his brain going “We start series thirteen- oh shit, I shouldn’t have confirmed that, er… I mean we’ve been doing it for ages and we love doing it, make-up and props lol”May 24, 2019 at 6:22 pm #249707
>Everybody tweet Doug to make sure the editor on XIII realizes they have more than one model shot and music cue and that you don’t need to invoke that same fucking music cue when Howard Goodall literally composed something new and specific.
No offense against Andrew Ellard but perhaps a better script editor too. maybe even someone who can say ok Doug maybe only 1 plot is enough?
Perhaps also someone that can say Douglas am not sure the idea of the pink police offer rubbing his nipples is well… funny. maybe you could write a bit less, well silly?
Also a bit more early dwarf subtleness wouldn’t hurt.May 24, 2019 at 7:02 pm #249708
Thanks Stephen, nicking this for the front page!May 24, 2019 at 9:57 pm #249738
John Cleese’s Bitch
You bastard, Stephen sue this twat for everything he ownsMay 24, 2019 at 11:43 pm #249743
If the Maybot wasn’t crashing today this would be on all the front pages.May 25, 2019 at 8:17 pm #249828
> No offense against Andrew Ellard but perhaps a better script editor too.
‘No offense but, yeah, offense.’ xDMay 30, 2019 at 2:06 pm #250100
He took a fence and sat on it. Just like Jeremy.May 30, 2019 at 4:58 pm #250125
Little bit of politics.May 30, 2019 at 7:37 pm #250127
just a smidgeMay 30, 2019 at 9:11 pm #250128
People these days are too young to realise that when I say ‘Little bit of politics’, I’m attempting to be funny, and mentally saying it in Ben Elton’s voice.May 30, 2019 at 10:19 pm #250129
I’m not too young, although I do associate that line more with Rob Newman’s impression.June 2, 2019 at 8:48 am #250247
I haven’t posted on here for a while, but I couldn’t resist.June 2, 2019 at 12:00 pm #250252
And if that wasn’t the comeback and a half we’ve been waiting for, I don’t know what is.June 25, 2019 at 12:57 pm #251360
Couple of weeks eh….July 1, 2019 at 8:26 pm #251696
This would make sense for the new AA Red Dwarf Commercial but Danny has said Red Dwarf XIII should be done by the end of the year.July 1, 2019 at 10:04 pm #251698
Both Danny and Rob have now suggested XIII will be filmed in the second half of the year. It’s quite likely the final contractual things are being sorted out before any announcement can be made. Two people saying the same thing is a positive sign.July 1, 2019 at 10:43 pm #251708
Two people once said they’d beat me up after schoolJuly 1, 2019 at 10:44 pm #251710
Exactly.July 1, 2019 at 10:59 pm #251711
I wouldn’t put too much stock in what Rob says. He’s probably too focused on The Quanderhorn Xperimentations.July 1, 2019 at 11:30 pm #251714
They used to say things like this during the Movie years though. They were always about to start filming.
Six months for preproduction and shooting of an FX-heavy audience sitcom, with no standing sets, and without a formal commission or any cast seeing scripts yet… someone’s on the shonk.July 1, 2019 at 11:43 pm #251715
In other news, my band The Debbie Downers just released their new single, Based On No Evidence. Check it out if you can, sound of the summer.July 1, 2019 at 11:50 pm #251716
Oh fuck off you tedious cunt.July 2, 2019 at 12:05 am #251717
You underestimate Dougs power of doing whatever it takes to get new Red Dwarf off the ground.July 2, 2019 at 12:09 am #251718
Unless it’s Big Finish.
There’s absolutely no need to rag on Darrel.July 2, 2019 at 1:17 am #251719
They used to say things like this during the Movie years though. They were always about to start filming.
You mean that they’re not?July 2, 2019 at 7:04 am #251720
I don’t think it’s outside the realms of possibility that Series XIII is on the way, that formal arrangements are already being made behind the scenes, and that it just hasn’t been officially announced yet.
Comparing it to the movie just seems unrealistic – like actively willing it to not happen.
In a week where we’ve been pleasantly surprised by a new project that was (largely) successfully kept under wraps, I think it’s worth bearing in mind that just because we don’t know all the details for ourselves yet, it doesn’t mean nothing is happening.July 2, 2019 at 7:22 am #251721
Of course I want it to happen. I just don’t think it’s the certain bet everybody else does. The commission is not confirmed, therefore it’s still a *proposal* for a thirteenth series. That’s not negativity, it’s just perspective.July 2, 2019 at 10:04 am #251722
That we know of.July 2, 2019 at 12:10 pm #251723
Well, that’s kind of what a confirmation is.July 2, 2019 at 12:42 pm #251724
My point is that you have to take into account the fact that there may be things going on that we aren’t aware of.
If you assume that you’re in possession of all the facts when you’re not, then you’re going to inevitably draw the wrong conclusions.
A week ago, before the AA ad came out, we could have been having this exact same conversation about how impossible it would have been for new footage to come out on Monday when no filming had been done; It turned out it had been, we just didn’t know about it.
Without acknowledging that fans don’t have all the facts, and that we aren’t privy to what’s going on behind-the-scenes with Red Dwarf at the moment, you could end up drawing all sorts of false conclusions like a Red Dwarf stage show being the only possible reason why the cast might be getting together, as we had in another thread.July 2, 2019 at 8:17 pm #251728
Tbf at one stage they DID think they were very close indeed to having the movie greenlit.July 2, 2019 at 8:26 pm #251729
And we also had readthrough photos, pictures of Robert being lifecast, a preorder Amazon page for the tie-in book, and a teaser poster, on top of everything that what we’re getting now about XIII is echoing. They were always “in pre-production” or “about to start shooting.” For about 5 years.
I’ve been burned before. I have no shame in staying pessimistic on this. To be proven wrong will be all the more pleasing if I am, but I couldn’t be more sceptical right now. Maybe some fans are too young to have fully lived through the full 3D heartbreak of the broken Movie promises, or have forgotten itJuly 2, 2019 at 8:32 pm #251730
(I will happily concede that both the BBC buyout of UKTV and the exposure from the AA ad make XIII more likely to happen, but that doesn’t change the fact that RD is not only not actively within a rolling commission, but enough time has passed since XII wrapped to effectively give XIII the pitch status of a ‘revival’ rather than a continuation.)
I want series 13. Don’t get me wrong on this. I just don’t see it.July 2, 2019 at 8:46 pm #251731
I think the Amazon page for the Movie tie-in book is *still* up, all these years later.July 2, 2019 at 9:00 pm #251732
Who says Doug doesn’t still have it planned to make the movie? :PJuly 2, 2019 at 9:08 pm #251733
I still believe Doug intends to end Red Dwarf completely with either a movie or a feature length episode.
XIII … maybe a XIV and end with a feature length XV
:) I can dreamJuly 2, 2019 at 9:38 pm #251735
> but enough time has passed since XII wrapped to effectively give XIII the pitch status of a ‘revival’ rather than a continuation.
Pitch your arse.July 2, 2019 at 9:59 pm #251738
?July 2, 2019 at 10:03 pm #251739
Darrel’s Arse RETURNS, brand new and exclusive to Dave, the home of shitty banter.July 2, 2019 at 10:07 pm #251741
Maybe I shouldn’t have bothered coming back.July 2, 2019 at 10:19 pm #251742
enough time has passed since XII wrapped to effectively give XIII the pitch status of a ‘revival’ rather than a continuation
I share your concern that we’re heading in that direction, but I don’t think we’re quite there yet. – it may have been a while since the show was in production, but the broadcast of XII is still recent enough to classify as a continuation, if XIII were to be shown next year. Don’t forget there was a full four years between X and XI, and XII was only 2017. I was almost as pessimistic as you for a good while, so I know where you’re coming from, but the latest flurry of activity has thawed me a little.July 2, 2019 at 10:47 pm #251744
I’ve not *not* thawed, but I still think not getting a recommission within 12 months of XII is a very big deal that no-one’s really processed. We did literally get axed, in a way that’s different from the ‘Dave want more, but we need to go back to the drawing board’ limbos of BtE and X. And we did lose the two biggest reasons XI/XII happened at all in the shape of Normal and Waddell. That’s a lot of injuries. I think my rationale in being so downbeat is correct even if my interpretation might be seen as excessive. (And I do think I’m right about the merch situation and botched anniversary too…)
I’ll be honest though, I was amazed when XI and XII got announced. For a while, X seemed like a pipe dream. I just can’t get the blank horror of 2008 out of my head, that’s what it is. It was the biggest ‘please clear out your lockers, lads’ we’ve ever had, and it remains my internal default for how to view RD production activity. On top of that the Movie stuff has trained me to assume everything is a bluff, wishful thinking and/or a downright lie. I’m always gobsmacked and delighted when new Red Dwarf makes it to screen at all.
And we all get surprised when something as ordinary as an ad on the tube appears, as though it shouldn’t really be there at all somehow and it’s some kind of backhanded trick. We’re all to some extent radicalised against expecting high competency from GNP. I think I’m just being a bit rawer in my relationship to this.
Best analogy is, even now we’re like a really shit football team that very rarely wins or scores. The times we win are joyous occasions, but expecting to lose is the healthiest way of getting through a Saturday afternoon.July 2, 2019 at 11:26 pm #251747
The times we win are joyous occasions, but expecting to lose is the healthiest way of getting through a Saturday afternoon.</bloockquote>
Welcome to life as a Sheffield United supporter.July 2, 2019 at 11:27 pm #251748
Oh, fuck that.July 2, 2019 at 11:51 pm #251751
>I will happily concede that both the BBC buyout of UKTV and the exposure from the AA ad make XIII more likely to happen
Plus Dave’s advert for moving channel where they got the model unit in and the blurb on their corporate website that says “It’s not just in front of the camera where the comic genius lies either, with a wealth of scripted treasure such as Sliced, Porters and the globally popular Red Dwarf” [2 shows that aired new episodes in the last 3 months and one that aired a year and a half ago] suggests they very much regard Dwarf as an active concern (I don’t see them promoting repeats of Top Gear or Zapped alongside all their new shows for instance).September 10, 2019 at 5:29 pm #253914
“Danny John-Jules says Red Dwarf is ‘waiting to get everyone signed up’. With the four leads having their own work commitments, including Danny’s one man show I’ve Got To Be Me, there’s a bit of jostling going on to bring everyone on board. But fans of the sci-fi show needn’t worry, the show is on track to return once the cast is locked in. Speaking to Metro.co.uk at the TV Choice Awards on Monday night, he said of the new series: ‘It’s gonna be funny. ‘We’re just waiting for the ink and the stamps to go down. ‘I’m doing my one-man show so I’m not really concentrating on Red Dwarf. I’m not in Cat mode because I can do that like a light switch.
‘Right now it’s about trying to get everybody signed up.’
He added that no one has seen a script or any potential ideas for new episodes yet, and asked if there is anything he would like to see happen to his character, Danny is fine just to go with the flow. The actor told us: ‘I never ask anybody to write anything. I never have in 31 years. I’ve never asked for more lines. ‘When my character was the smallest I never asked for a bigger part. Why tamper with success?’
So what does he think is the key to Red Dwarf’s ongoing success? Danny, 59, insisted: ‘The key is talent. Showbiz. That’s what we’re here for, so every single person should be on that road, otherwise why are we here? ‘The actors are all dedicated to their characters and that’s why it works. There’s not any magic. ‘You don’t see us all hanging out at the pub every week. Why do you not see photos of all the Red Dwarf cast together? We’ve been in the show 31 years. Because we’re all individuals.’ Hopefully those individuals can get their acts together to bring us another hilarious series.”September 10, 2019 at 5:50 pm #253915
Pete Part Three
Ah shit. Danny’s talking to journalists again.September 10, 2019 at 7:35 pm #253916
But he’s the only cast member so far to do so with a realistic appraisal of the current status.September 10, 2019 at 7:46 pm #253917
I’m sure I read on a Red Dwarf Facebook group a couple of weeks back that Craig confirmed it on I think, Sara Cox’s show.September 10, 2019 at 9:49 pm #253918
It must get frustrating for the guys to be constantly asked about Dwarf when they’re busy trying to pimp out whatever it is they’re currently working on.September 11, 2019 at 6:18 am #253922
Pete Part Three
Even more frustrating when it’s Danny, who is his own worst publicist. It’s bad enough when he gets ‘misquoted’, it’s worse when they just lift what he says verbatim and it just reads as nonsense.
‘The key is talent.’
‘Showbiz. That’s what we’re here for, so every single person should be on that road, otherwise why are we here?’
Every single person on the planet should be in showbiz to justify their existence? What does this even mean?
‘The actors are all dedicated to their characters and that’s why it works.’
That’s not why Red Dwarf works. That’s just how good actors work.
‘There’s not any magic’.
“You don’t see us all hanging out at the pub every week. Why do you not see photos of all the Red Dwarf cast together?”
Because you all hate each other? Because the media isn’t interested?
“We’ve been in the show 31 years. Because we’re all individuals.’
And professionalism is…and that is what I wantSeptember 11, 2019 at 12:12 pm #253929
“Ah shit. Danny’s talking to journalists again.”
Send the bin men around.
*AllegedlySeptember 11, 2019 at 4:39 pm #253930
Thing is, you do see pictures of the cast together. Getting a curry for instance.September 11, 2019 at 4:46 pm #253931
“Thing is, you do see pictures of the cast together. Getting a curry for instance.”
….in 1963?September 17, 2019 at 3:14 pm #254200
Well, at least it seems pretty much confirmed that we’ll _eventually_ get a 13th series. Y’know, one of these days. I’m gonna go out on a limb and suggest this could be the big one, the last ever, so we should probably start setting up the for the eventual Chromium Canvass poll that will be the show’s legacy.
Still, you have to admit, 1988-202? is a pretty decent run.September 17, 2019 at 6:00 pm #254203
An astonishing -1786 years!September 17, 2019 at 9:12 pm #254210
It’s perfectly consistent with current theory. Everything starts with a Big Bang, right? And the universe starts expanding. Eventually, when it’s expanded as far as it can, there’s a big crunch, right? And everything starts contracting. Perfectly possible that time starts running in the opposite direction, as well.September 19, 2019 at 11:06 am #254329
You know guys, I’m starting to think I may have been right all along.September 19, 2019 at 11:10 am #254335
About Cat’s new teeth definitely being for a Red Dwarf stage show?September 19, 2019 at 1:39 pm #254337
And repeated apologies for the huge error I made in assuming that a comedy team that announces plans to go on tour might actually do that within five bastard years of saying so. I’ve learned my lesson now.
The lesson I am currently learning btw is remaining credulous at the idea that the four main cast members of Red Dwarf are triple-A-listers in such high demand that it’s nigh-on impossible to book them through for six weeks and requires a triage period of several years. Like they’re the Beatles in 1976.
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