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  • #238695

    Warbofrog

    Reaction videos aren’t a genre I enjoy or would normally bother sitting through, but when I saw this pop up I thought it might be interesting to see what newcomers make of the series.

    Would they start at the slow-burning first episode or an obvious favourite recommended by their followers? At 1:30 they announced the episode they would be watching to base their opinion of Red Dwarf on and it was too awkward a prospect for me to handle, so I bailed.

    It is not Pete Part Two, and it’s an episode most of you probably like a bit more than I do, but still pretty insane and discouraging as the episode you’d base your opinion of Red Dwarf on. Did someone recommend this to them specifically or what? Let me know if you make it through:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RNBcyo4RW-M

    #238696

    bloodteller

    Well, thank god it’s not Timewave. Still a really odd episode to start with though

    #238697

    Lily

    Ok yeah, that’s a really odd one to watch with no knowledge. I like the episode itself, but there’s no surprise that the woman sat there looking utterly confused.

    At least in the comments they recognise it was a bad one to start with and are asking for recommendations.

    #238698

    Warbofrog

    I was too curious so powered through – and they give up after about 15 minutes, ha ha! But it’s their fault for expecting something from season seven of something to be easily understandable or still on top form.

    Anyway, still some things I found interesting or funny:

    – If you haven’t seen Dimension Jump, you would assume the zany Nazi stuff was related to the Medieval stuff, like the disparate stuff in Meltdown.

    – On Cat: “Why is he in a vampire’s outfit?” Classic.

    – Ace Rimmer’s “mid-Atlantic” accent comes off Australian (though it might be their sped-up, stretched-out copyright-infringing copy).

    – Don’t notice that Rimmer and Ace are both played by Chris Barrie for ages.

    I haven’t watched Stoke for years – “your brain moves quicker than a nun’s first curry” made me laugh.

    #238699

    Dave

    Bizarre choice. It’s not like it’s hard to identify a good jumping-on point for TV shows these days, given the wealth of information available.

    #238701

    Ridley

    Stoke was my first episode and I’m not a massive sneery I-VI snob so there.

    #238704

    NoFro

    I still think Backwards is the ideal jumping on point for a modern first time viewer.

    #238705

    Dave

    I think they should have started with Back In The Red Part Two.

    #238706

    tombow

    I started with Series 3 (though I had seen Queeg before) and then read the (then) 2 novels while watching on. I didn’t think Series 1 and 2 were as good as the books when I finally saw them.

    #238707

    Warbofrog

    They specify that the episode has to be (a) on YouTube and (b) not on an official channel – probably because that’s easier to embed and less likely to get taken down. Sped-up-n-stretched Stoke is the first full episode that shows up when I search for ‘red dwarf,’ so that explains that. Other episodes are available in similar quality or worse.

    #238711

    Lily

    I think a lot of the episodes from 4/5/6 would be good. Preferably ones without any alternate realities or duplicate characters.

    A bunch of them say to start at The End, but if it’s only going to be a one off, it’s not really representative. Likewise with Back to Reality and Gunmen, although great episodes they spend so long in another reality it’s too confusing for a one off.

    Something set mostly on the ship or a shape station, with minimal guest stars would be the better choice. DNA, Justice, White Hole, Inquisitor, Quarantine, Psirens, Legion etc.

    #238712

    bloodteller

    My first episode was Demons And Angels, which I think is a fairly good one to start with

    #238713

    Dave

    My first was The Inquisitor, which did the job.

    #238714

    si

    I imagine Justice could be a good starting point.

    #238716

    International Debris

    Justice would work. Thanks for the Memory might. Maybe Quarantine. Possibly even Psirens.
    Outside of VIII and IX, I think Stoke is up there with Emohawk and Nanarchy in terms of least appropriate first episodes.

    #238717

    Ben Saunders

    I rated Stoke top 5 in the pearl poll but it’s a totally inappropriate first episode, not least because it deals with the departure of a beloved main character, relies on your seeing a previous episode to understand what’s really going on and would most likely give the wrong impression of what the show typically is to newcomers.

    #238718

    Ridley

    “Normalizing the traditional family in a liberal world”

    Maybe Timewave would have been a better episode after all.

    #238723

    Lily

    Actually fuck these guys, I want to take my view count back from them.

    Clicked on the Yes Minster one, and they literally watch a 3 minute clip then spend 5 minutes saying how they don’t understand who anyone was or the context of the 30+ year old political landscape being made joked about.

    At the end they ‘defend’ not watching a whole show as they say it’d be taken down for copyright. “we’re just making react videos here”. So basically they’ve no interest in the show, or really reacting to it much they’re just putting up clickbait videos because they know that suckers will watch any video with the title of a well loved british comedy show in it

    … like us lot.

    #238724

    tombow

    The first 2 episodes I saw properly were Marooned and Polymorph. They still have sacred status in my memories. I felt like I completely “got” the characters after that.

    #238726

    Pete Part Three

    Future Echoes. Hooked instantly,

    I’ll stick up for the first few minutes of Stoke, as I think that’s interesting enough to lure anyone in, but the rest of it would be pretty incomprehensible.

    Bearing in mind these guys are just clicking on links of dodgy uploads on YouTube, I don’t think much thought was put into this,

    I don’t get the point of these videos anyway. Just the way they’re sat put me off.

    #238730

    Bargain Bin Holly

    Stoke is a good episode, but yeah, starting with it is like starting Doctor Who on The Parting of the Ways

    #238731

    Ben Saunders

    or Hell Bent

    #238744

    International Debris

    Imagine starting on Skipper.

    #238745

    tombow

    If they can’t even be bothered to get a dvd, hard to see why they deserve any views.

    #238796

    Captain Bollocks

    i introduced an American to Red Dwarf once, and figured if we were going to watch it, we might as well start at the beginning… or in this case, The End, an episode which I like, though mostly because it’s the genesis point for everything that’s to come rather than an actual stand-out in its own right.

    It was fucking excruciating.

    I love Red Dwarf, so sitting there in stony silence, watch a very dated-looking show, not laughing as they set up the premise of the series rather than tell any jokes. And then it’s three million years in the future and the Cat shows up and what the fuck is going on? What even is this? It was so painful.

    At the end of the episode, I asked if she wanted to try episode two with the meek promise of “it does get better…” and she said “sure.” And by the end of Future Echoes, she was asking if we could watch more! And then I got spend a giddy few weeks watching the entire run through the eyes of someone who was experiencing the show for the first time, and it was GREAT.

    Her reactions to all the various theme tune/set/character/costume changes were the best, although the impending sense of them killing the show off with Back to Reality or Out of Time, the lengthy waiting periods between seasons, and the mind-melting build-up to Back to Earth were all lost on her since she already knew how many DVDs were on the shelf. But yes, definitely one of my favourite experiences of having been a fan of the show, especially with the all the backseat audio commentary-ing I was able to do. “Did you know Tongue Tied actually charted in the UK?” “WHAAAAT?!” etc.

    #238804

    tombow

    I really don’t like the Dad of the post modern family (who this video is by). He has that “cult member” smug charm mixed with wary paranoia. No surprise to hear that they are strict religious members who home school their kids.

    #238808

    Ben Saunders

    That quote from Ridley, “Normalizing the traditional family in a liberal world”, told me all I need to know about them, unfortunately.

    #238810

    tombow

    just seen them start off “Only Fools” with the “selling the watch” episode. they really know how to pick a jumping on point.

    #238812

    Plastic Percy

    Watched it mainly for the guy’s reaction to anything remotely sexual, where his eyes get filled with somekind of prudish fear and dread.

    #238813

    International Debris

    And then I got spend a giddy few weeks watching the entire run through the eyes of someone who was experiencing the show for the first time, and it was GREAT.

    I’d got to the stage where I could watch even my favourite episodes in silence because I’d seen them so, so many times, but had the same experience when I showed my girlfriend the show for the first time. It was the closest thing to actually discovering it for the first time again myself. That was eight years ago, and she’ll have forgotten most of it by now, so we’re due another rewatch soon and I’m looking forward to it a lot.

    #238819

    Paul Muller

    I have a friend who’s really into a particular 90’s US TV show, which I’d never heard of prior to him introducing it to me. It’s pretty good. He’s a huge fan and it’s nice to see his reaction to me watching scenes for the first time that he knows off by heart.

    I’ve been threatening to introduce him to Red Dwarf for months. He’s only vaguely heard of the show, and I don’t think he has any idea what it’s about. But yeah, I’m wary of starting with The End, due to its overpowering greyness and slow pace (at least until the last 10 minutes). I think I’l probably end up doing a The End/Future Echoes double bill, and then maybe skip forward to Series II.

    #238820

    Ben Saunders

    I read that as overpowering gayness, lmao
    I banged on about Dwarf for months to my mate and he finally sat down to watch The End… and he said he fucking hated it because it was so slow. He disliked sci fi in general, though.

    #238821

    Paul Muller

    That was the backup plan, to skip the series and go straight to the murkier corners of DeviantArt…

    But yeah, I worry that might be his reaction.

    I wouldn’t class him as a sci-fi fan, but we watched Silent Running recently, and he really enjoyed it – so I guess that’s a plus.

    #238822

    Taiwan Tony

    What’s the 90s US TV show?

    I love the end but it wasn’t the first one I saw. For my money you’re better off starting at series 3, even though Backwards is a bit wonky. Danny’s stopped doing the screeching, it’s a nicer colour palette, Kryten is on board, and Marooned.

    #238823

    Mr-Stabby

    I gave up after they decided after watching Ace for a few minutes that it was an ‘Indiana Jones’ parody. Surely the British accent, cheesy one-liners etc would give off much more of a Bond vibe.

    #238824

    Paul Muller

    Northern Exposure. Very peculiar, but quite charming comedy/drama set in Alaska.

    #238825

    Paul Muller

    One day I’ll work out how to use the blockquote HTML tag.

    That day is not today.

    #238826

    Warbofrog

    They probably thought Indiana Jones because he’s fighting Nazis.

    I’d never watched a Bond film properly until last week, I always thought they’d be too blokey but they’re a lot of fun. Watching them in order and enjoying the suspension of disbelief ramping up with each installment. Thunderball is just flesh Supermarionation.

    #238827

    Paul Muller

    James Bond…Bloody Bond…I bloody love him.

    Interestingly, you can draw a direct line from Thunderbirds, through 70’s/80’s Bond to Red Dwarf, via FX legend Derek Meddings, who was involved in all of them to varying degrees.

    #238828

    Ben Saunders

    I’ve been meaning to get into Bond after catching a couple of them on ITV, they look great. Loved the PS2 games.
    The bomb defusal scene in Goldfinger is just brilliant

    #238829

    Warbofrog

    This thread has been salvaged.

    Goldfinger was the first I watched before backtracking. “Shocking,” the dick laser, “I expect you to die,” shagging the evil out of Pussy Galore. I recognised a lot of it from spoofs that don’t need to exist, it knows what it’s doing already.

    #238830

    Dave

    You Only Live Twice is the best Bond, obviously.

    #238831

    Pete Part Three

    Hmm, you’ve spelt The Spy Who Loved Me wrong, Dave.

    #238832

    Dave

    Stop getting Bond wrong!

    #238833

    tombow

    Ace has some strange mixtures really. Bond, Biggles/WW2 RAF, Top Gun.

    #238834

    Dave

    With a bit of Lord Flashheart too.

    #238835

    clem

    “I’ve heard that it’s gold, I’ve heard that it’s a finger!”

    YOLT is overrated imo. Connery’s crap, for one thing. Great in the first three, phones it in a bit in Thunderball, and clearly doesn’t want to be doing it anymore in YOLT.
    TSWLM is a corker, FRWL maybe still objectively the best. Moonraker drags for a while but I do love it, TLD, TWINE (“I don’t know any doctor jokes.”), LALD and OHMSS.

    > Thunderball is just flesh Supermarionation.

    I’m having that.

    #238836

    Dave

    You Only Live Twice is one that I love more for the scale and the outrageousness of it all. It might not be the best film but it’s where Bond really seems to have lodged itself in the public consciousness.

    Often I find I like each actor’s first movie best – Casino Royale, Live and Let Die, and Goldeneye are all my favourites for each Bond.

    #238837

    si

    You Only Live Twice is the best Bond, obviously

    Best Bond? Goldeneye on N64.

    #238838

    Plastic Percy

    <<Northern Exposure. Very peculiar, but quite charming comedy/drama set in Alaska. >>

    To be fair, I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen so far of it. Fish out of Water Jewish Doctor from Manhattan finds himself pressganged into spending five years as a rural doctor in a small town in the wilds of Alaska when he’d rather be on a sunny Californian golf course. One of those shows that’s a perfect antidote for the stress of city life I’ve found.

    #238839

    Dave

    Best Bond? Goldeneye on N64.

    Yeah you’ve got me there.

    One-hit-kills and proximity mines all the way.

    #238840

    International Debris

    From Russia With Love, On Her Majesties Secret Service, The Spy Who Loved Me, License to Kill, Skyfall. Some great Bond there.

    Bond should be worse than it is. There are loads of problematic bits – the lead character being a misogynistic psychopath, for a start – but somehow they’re done with enough style and, post-Thunderball, knowingness, that the films manage to get away with it.

    Ones I don’t like that everyone seems to love: Dr. No, Live and Let Die, Goldeneye.

    #238841

    clem

    > Often I find I like each actor’s first movie best

    That works for me with Dalton, Craig and, erm, Lazenby. And Moore I guess. I *like* other Moore films at least as much as I like LALD but I’d probably agree it’s his best.

    http://dissecting007.blogspot.com/2015/08/every-james-bonds-tenure.html?m=1

    #238842

    Toxteth O-Grady

    There’s also the argument that in their 3rd film, each actor gives their best performance (as they’ve become comfortable in the role, and the script has been specifically written for them). It’s tough to argue with.

    – Goldfinger
    – The Spy Who Loved Me
    – The World Is Not Enough
    – Skyfall

    Obviously Dalton and Lazenby never made it that far (although Dalton in Licence to Kill is great)

    On the flip side, each of those actors’ final Bond films was easily their worst:

    – Diamonds Are Forever
    – A View To A Kill (look out for Tony Hawks!)
    – Die Another Day

    Here’s hoping Craig’s next (and probably last) outing will buck this trend.

    #238843

    Ben Saunders

    The best Bond is Everything Or Nothing on PS2, though. Platinum. Tanks. Willem Dafoe. Come on people.

    #238844

    clem

    > A View To A Kill (look out for Tony Hawks!)

    WHAT?! Where?

    #238845

    Paul Muller

    And of course, who could forget the most famous Bond star cameos in Red Dwarf;

    The tank from Goldeneye/Beyond a Joke and (allegedly) a chunk of Moonraker space station/Nova 5 miniature.

    #238850

    tombow

    Everything Or Nothing is a real flawed masterpiece. It can range from being the most fiddly frustrating thing you’ve ever played, to being almost magical in it’s ability to make you feel like you really are Bond making chaos in an OTT action movie.

    #238851

    Toxteth O-Grady

    >WHAT?! Where?

    This is very poor quality, but you can see him here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2XO1zwKA24&feature=youtu.be&t=122

    I tweeted him about to check it was him, and replied immediately confirming it with embarrassment.

    #238859

    clem

    Thank you. Yeah I can kinda see why he’s embarrassed. Still, he’s in a Bond film. Can’t think of anyone else who’s been in Bond and Dwarf.

    #238860

    tombow

    The only other Bond/Dwarf link I can think of is Chris Barrie and Daniel Craig both being in the first Tomb Raider.

    #238861

    clem

    https://m.uk.ign.com/articles/2000/09/26/madonna-in-red-dwarf

    She had to settle for being in Die Another Day and doing the song for it.

    #238866

    Paul Muller

    I wonder where the link in that article to ‘bizarre’ production reports went to originally?

    I think she was supposed to play some sort of Simulant Queen thing wasn’t she?

    #238867

    Ridley

    The (presumed) homo sapienoid from that Red Dwarf movie media kit pamphlet thing?

    #238868

    clem

    Tbh I don’t remember the story. I Googled red dwarf madonna just to confirm she was one of the very famous people rumoured to be a Red Dwarf fan back in the day, and I hadn’t just made that up. Bill Clinton was another one of course. I’d love to know where that came from.

    #238869

    Warbofrog

    IMDb says Gary Powell was (stunt performer – uncredited) in Gunmen of the Apocalypse and (stunt double: Bond double #1 – uncredited) / (stunts) in GoldenEye. So he’d be indistinguishably on screen in both.

    #238870

    Hamish

    > I wonder where the link in that article to ‘bizarre’ production reports went to originally?

    The Wayback Machine is your friend:
    https://web.archive.org/web/20001017190244/https://filmforce.ign.com/news/1380.html

    #238871

    tombow

    Has anyone been in both RD and Star Wars other than Koo Stark? ( Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones
    in Timeslides and Camie in the original cut of New Hope)

    https://c1.staticflickr.com/6/5724/22783926380_c75c369f5e_b.jpg

    Has anyone been in both RD and Doctor Who other than Angela Bruce? (Brigadier Bamera and Parallel Lister)

    http://pm1.narvii.com/6087/25bc7ab801d86e95cc0a97f5894296f639e1023d_00.jpg

    #238872

    Dave

    There must be loads for Doctor Who, surely. The first one that springs to mind is Asclepius (Jami Reid-Quarrell) who was Colony Sarff and the Veil in DW series 9.

    #238873

    Ben Saunders

    Not Red Dwarf but interesting anyway: Jeremy Bulloch was in the first Sontaran story of Doctor Who before going on to play Boba Fett.

    “Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones” has to be one of THE funniest things in all of Dwarf. Just something about the double-J.

    #238874

    clem

    I wouldn’t know about Doctor Who but Jeremy “Boba Fett” Bulloch is also Smithers in For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy.

    > Has anyone been in both RD and Star Wars other than Koo Stark?

    The late Don Henderson of Bulman fame, who I always refer to exactly like that because the cave guide in League of Gentlemen does, is the simulant in Beyond a Joke and is in A New Hope.

    #238875

    tombow

    Wow so he is the first person to utter the word Sith on screen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJk

    #238876

    Ben Saunders

    I love that deleted scene, there’s just something so engaging about it, even though it’s incomplete and unedited etc. First time I saw it I thought whoa. And yep, the word Sith had been around since at least ’76 but was never spoken on screen until Episode I (?); I think it’s used in the novelisation which came out before the film or something.

    #238877

    Lemming Sunday

    Frances Barber has been in both.

    #238879

    CB3

    Wasn’t Mac McDonald in The Empire Strikes Back? As a rebel pilot apparently, though I’ve never noticed him myself.

    #238882

    International Debris

    “Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones” has to be one of THE funniest things in all of Dwarf. Just something about the double-J.

    It’s an absolutely excellent silly name. Makes me wish they’d done more.

    #238883

    si

    Kevin Eldon’s been in RD and Hyperdrive. That’s a limited members club.

    #238884

    Plastic Percy

    Jack Klaff was Abraham Lincoln in ‘Meltdown’, Red Four in ‘A New Hope’ and Apostis in ‘For Your Eyes Only’.

    #238895

    Warbofrog

    I was concerned that the Roger Moore era was going to be too stupid to appreciate, what with the Alan Partridge endorsement, but Live and Let Die was loads of fun and Yaphet Kotto’s death was hilarious, so keep it coming.

    #238903

    International Debris

    Be interested to see what you make of Moonraker.

    #238906

    tombow

    I was surprised that he only got to space in the end showdown, obviously I thought the whole film was in space

    #238907

    clem

    Made on location in “OUTER SPACE!” according to the credits.

    #238908

    Pete Part Three

    I did a double-take when I saw that. You know, like pigeons do.

    #238910

    Plastic Percy

    People forget, you can get lost in space.

    #238926

    Ben Saunders

    >Made on location in “OUTER SPACE!” according to the credits.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hM

    #239041

    Warbofrog

    Because it was asked, I enjoyed Moonraker. Alternately crazily thrilling and quite dull, far from my least favourite (Golden Gun/Diamonds or Casino ’67 if that counts). Definitely the most over-the-top so far (I figure the 80s will hit the brakes hard then), but to their credit, they succeeded in gradually raising my suspension of disbelief to the point that I still accepted it as a Bond film – right up to the moment a blaster was fired and it became Star Wars for 20 minutes.

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