November 1, 2018 at 8:20 am #238695
Reaction videos aren’t a genre I enjoy or would normally bother sitting through, but when I saw this pop up I thought it might be interesting to see what newcomers make of the series.
Would they start at the slow-burning first episode or an obvious favourite recommended by their followers? At 1:30 they announced the episode they would be watching to base their opinion of Red Dwarf on and it was too awkward a prospect for me to handle, so I bailed.
It is not Pete Part Two, and it’s an episode most of you probably like a bit more than I do, but still pretty insane and discouraging as the episode you’d base your opinion of Red Dwarf on. Did someone recommend this to them specifically or what? Let me know if you make it through:November 1, 2018 at 9:06 am #238696
Well, thank god it’s not Timewave. Still a really odd episode to start with thoughNovember 1, 2018 at 9:22 am #238697
Ok yeah, that’s a really odd one to watch with no knowledge. I like the episode itself, but there’s no surprise that the woman sat there looking utterly confused.
At least in the comments they recognise it was a bad one to start with and are asking for recommendations.November 1, 2018 at 9:26 am #238698
I was too curious so powered through – and they give up after about 15 minutes, ha ha! But it’s their fault for expecting something from season seven of something to be easily understandable or still on top form.
Anyway, still some things I found interesting or funny:
– If you haven’t seen Dimension Jump, you would assume the zany Nazi stuff was related to the Medieval stuff, like the disparate stuff in Meltdown.
– On Cat: “Why is he in a vampire’s outfit?” Classic.
– Ace Rimmer’s “mid-Atlantic” accent comes off Australian (though it might be their sped-up, stretched-out copyright-infringing copy).
– Don’t notice that Rimmer and Ace are both played by Chris Barrie for ages.
I haven’t watched Stoke for years – “your brain moves quicker than a nun’s first curry” made me laugh.November 1, 2018 at 9:31 am #238699
Bizarre choice. It’s not like it’s hard to identify a good jumping-on point for TV shows these days, given the wealth of information available.November 1, 2018 at 10:04 am #238701
Stoke was my first episode and I’m not a massive sneery I-VI snob so there.November 1, 2018 at 11:34 am #238704
I still think Backwards is the ideal jumping on point for a modern first time viewer.November 1, 2018 at 11:58 am #238705
I think they should have started with Back In The Red Part Two.November 1, 2018 at 12:21 pm #238706
I started with Series 3 (though I had seen Queeg before) and then read the (then) 2 novels while watching on. I didn’t think Series 1 and 2 were as good as the books when I finally saw them.November 1, 2018 at 12:23 pm #238707
They specify that the episode has to be (a) on YouTube and (b) not on an official channel – probably because that’s easier to embed and less likely to get taken down. Sped-up-n-stretched Stoke is the first full episode that shows up when I search for ‘red dwarf,’ so that explains that. Other episodes are available in similar quality or worse.November 1, 2018 at 1:05 pm #238711
I think a lot of the episodes from 4/5/6 would be good. Preferably ones without any alternate realities or duplicate characters.
A bunch of them say to start at The End, but if it’s only going to be a one off, it’s not really representative. Likewise with Back to Reality and Gunmen, although great episodes they spend so long in another reality it’s too confusing for a one off.
Something set mostly on the ship or a shape station, with minimal guest stars would be the better choice. DNA, Justice, White Hole, Inquisitor, Quarantine, Psirens, Legion etc.November 1, 2018 at 1:14 pm #238712
My first episode was Demons And Angels, which I think is a fairly good one to start withNovember 1, 2018 at 2:26 pm #238713
My first was The Inquisitor, which did the job.November 1, 2018 at 2:44 pm #238714
I imagine Justice could be a good starting point.November 1, 2018 at 5:08 pm #238716
Justice would work. Thanks for the Memory might. Maybe Quarantine. Possibly even Psirens.
Outside of VIII and IX, I think Stoke is up there with Emohawk and Nanarchy in terms of least appropriate first episodes.November 1, 2018 at 5:21 pm #238717
I rated Stoke top 5 in the pearl poll but it’s a totally inappropriate first episode, not least because it deals with the departure of a beloved main character, relies on your seeing a previous episode to understand what’s really going on and would most likely give the wrong impression of what the show typically is to newcomers.November 1, 2018 at 5:23 pm #238718
“Normalizing the traditional family in a liberal world”
Maybe Timewave would have been a better episode after all.November 1, 2018 at 6:24 pm #238723
Actually fuck these guys, I want to take my view count back from them.
Clicked on the Yes Minster one, and they literally watch a 3 minute clip then spend 5 minutes saying how they don’t understand who anyone was or the context of the 30+ year old political landscape being made joked about.
At the end they ‘defend’ not watching a whole show as they say it’d be taken down for copyright. “we’re just making react videos here”. So basically they’ve no interest in the show, or really reacting to it much they’re just putting up clickbait videos because they know that suckers will watch any video with the title of a well loved british comedy show in it
… like us lot.November 1, 2018 at 6:29 pm #238724
The first 2 episodes I saw properly were Marooned and Polymorph. They still have sacred status in my memories. I felt like I completely “got” the characters after that.November 1, 2018 at 6:43 pm #238726
Pete Part Three
Future Echoes. Hooked instantly,
I’ll stick up for the first few minutes of Stoke, as I think that’s interesting enough to lure anyone in, but the rest of it would be pretty incomprehensible.
Bearing in mind these guys are just clicking on links of dodgy uploads on YouTube, I don’t think much thought was put into this,
I don’t get the point of these videos anyway. Just the way they’re sat put me off.November 1, 2018 at 8:23 pm #238730
Bargain Bin Holly
Stoke is a good episode, but yeah, starting with it is like starting Doctor Who on The Parting of the WaysNovember 1, 2018 at 8:51 pm #238731
or Hell BentNovember 2, 2018 at 3:55 pm #238744
Imagine starting on Skipper.November 2, 2018 at 5:57 pm #238745
If they can’t even be bothered to get a dvd, hard to see why they deserve any views.November 5, 2018 at 2:54 am #238796
i introduced an American to Red Dwarf once, and figured if we were going to watch it, we might as well start at the beginning… or in this case, The End, an episode which I like, though mostly because it’s the genesis point for everything that’s to come rather than an actual stand-out in its own right.
It was fucking excruciating.
I love Red Dwarf, so sitting there in stony silence, watch a very dated-looking show, not laughing as they set up the premise of the series rather than tell any jokes. And then it’s three million years in the future and the Cat shows up and what the fuck is going on? What even is this? It was so painful.
At the end of the episode, I asked if she wanted to try episode two with the meek promise of “it does get better…” and she said “sure.” And by the end of Future Echoes, she was asking if we could watch more! And then I got spend a giddy few weeks watching the entire run through the eyes of someone who was experiencing the show for the first time, and it was GREAT.
Her reactions to all the various theme tune/set/character/costume changes were the best, although the impending sense of them killing the show off with Back to Reality or Out of Time, the lengthy waiting periods between seasons, and the mind-melting build-up to Back to Earth were all lost on her since she already knew how many DVDs were on the shelf. But yes, definitely one of my favourite experiences of having been a fan of the show, especially with the all the backseat audio commentary-ing I was able to do. “Did you know Tongue Tied actually charted in the UK?” “WHAAAAT?!” etc.November 5, 2018 at 11:38 am #238804
I really don’t like the Dad of the post modern family (who this video is by). He has that “cult member” smug charm mixed with wary paranoia. No surprise to hear that they are strict religious members who home school their kids.November 5, 2018 at 12:02 pm #238808
That quote from Ridley, “Normalizing the traditional family in a liberal world”, told me all I need to know about them, unfortunately.November 5, 2018 at 12:19 pm #238810
just seen them start off “Only Fools” with the “selling the watch” episode. they really know how to pick a jumping on point.November 5, 2018 at 12:27 pm #238812
Watched it mainly for the guy’s reaction to anything remotely sexual, where his eyes get filled with somekind of prudish fear and dread.November 5, 2018 at 12:38 pm #238813
And then I got spend a giddy few weeks watching the entire run through the eyes of someone who was experiencing the show for the first time, and it was GREAT.
I’d got to the stage where I could watch even my favourite episodes in silence because I’d seen them so, so many times, but had the same experience when I showed my girlfriend the show for the first time. It was the closest thing to actually discovering it for the first time again myself. That was eight years ago, and she’ll have forgotten most of it by now, so we’re due another rewatch soon and I’m looking forward to it a lot.November 5, 2018 at 7:57 pm #238819
I have a friend who’s really into a particular 90’s US TV show, which I’d never heard of prior to him introducing it to me. It’s pretty good. He’s a huge fan and it’s nice to see his reaction to me watching scenes for the first time that he knows off by heart.
I’ve been threatening to introduce him to Red Dwarf for months. He’s only vaguely heard of the show, and I don’t think he has any idea what it’s about. But yeah, I’m wary of starting with The End, due to its overpowering greyness and slow pace (at least until the last 10 minutes). I think I’l probably end up doing a The End/Future Echoes double bill, and then maybe skip forward to Series II.November 5, 2018 at 8:04 pm #238820
I read that as overpowering gayness, lmao
I banged on about Dwarf for months to my mate and he finally sat down to watch The End… and he said he fucking hated it because it was so slow. He disliked sci fi in general, though.November 5, 2018 at 10:01 pm #238821
That was the backup plan, to skip the series and go straight to the murkier corners of DeviantArt…
But yeah, I worry that might be his reaction.
I wouldn’t class him as a sci-fi fan, but we watched Silent Running recently, and he really enjoyed it – so I guess that’s a plus.November 5, 2018 at 10:39 pm #238822
What’s the 90s US TV show?
I love the end but it wasn’t the first one I saw. For my money you’re better off starting at series 3, even though Backwards is a bit wonky. Danny’s stopped doing the screeching, it’s a nicer colour palette, Kryten is on board, and Marooned.November 5, 2018 at 10:51 pm #238823
I gave up after they decided after watching Ace for a few minutes that it was an ‘Indiana Jones’ parody. Surely the British accent, cheesy one-liners etc would give off much more of a Bond vibe.November 5, 2018 at 11:04 pm #238824
Northern Exposure. Very peculiar, but quite charming comedy/drama set in Alaska.November 5, 2018 at 11:05 pm #238825
One day I’ll work out how to use the blockquote HTML tag.
That day is not today.November 6, 2018 at 12:54 am #238826
They probably thought Indiana Jones because he’s fighting Nazis.
I’d never watched a Bond film properly until last week, I always thought they’d be too blokey but they’re a lot of fun. Watching them in order and enjoying the suspension of disbelief ramping up with each installment. Thunderball is just flesh Supermarionation.November 6, 2018 at 1:49 am #238827
James Bond…Bloody Bond…I bloody love him.
Interestingly, you can draw a direct line from Thunderbirds, through 70’s/80’s Bond to Red Dwarf, via FX legend Derek Meddings, who was involved in all of them to varying degrees.November 6, 2018 at 4:29 am #238828
I’ve been meaning to get into Bond after catching a couple of them on ITV, they look great. Loved the PS2 games.
The bomb defusal scene in Goldfinger is just brilliantNovember 6, 2018 at 4:39 am #238829
This thread has been salvaged.
Goldfinger was the first I watched before backtracking. “Shocking,” the dick laser, “I expect you to die,” shagging the evil out of Pussy Galore. I recognised a lot of it from spoofs that don’t need to exist, it knows what it’s doing already.November 6, 2018 at 6:17 am #238830
You Only Live Twice is the best Bond, obviously.November 6, 2018 at 7:18 am #238831
Pete Part Three
Hmm, you’ve spelt The Spy Who Loved Me wrong, Dave.November 6, 2018 at 7:27 am #238832
Stop getting Bond wrong!November 6, 2018 at 8:29 am #238833
Ace has some strange mixtures really. Bond, Biggles/WW2 RAF, Top Gun.November 6, 2018 at 10:19 am #238834
With a bit of Lord Flashheart too.November 6, 2018 at 10:53 am #238835
“I’ve heard that it’s gold, I’ve heard that it’s a finger!”
YOLT is overrated imo. Connery’s crap, for one thing. Great in the first three, phones it in a bit in Thunderball, and clearly doesn’t want to be doing it anymore in YOLT.
TSWLM is a corker, FRWL maybe still objectively the best. Moonraker drags for a while but I do love it, TLD, TWINE (“I don’t know any doctor jokes.”), LALD and OHMSS.
> Thunderball is just flesh Supermarionation.
I’m having that.November 6, 2018 at 11:05 am #238836
You Only Live Twice is one that I love more for the scale and the outrageousness of it all. It might not be the best film but it’s where Bond really seems to have lodged itself in the public consciousness.
Often I find I like each actor’s first movie best – Casino Royale, Live and Let Die, and Goldeneye are all my favourites for each Bond.November 6, 2018 at 11:17 am #238837
You Only Live Twice is the best Bond, obviously
Best Bond? Goldeneye on N64.November 6, 2018 at 11:19 am #238838
<<Northern Exposure. Very peculiar, but quite charming comedy/drama set in Alaska. >>
To be fair, I’ve enjoyed what I’ve seen so far of it. Fish out of Water Jewish Doctor from Manhattan finds himself pressganged into spending five years as a rural doctor in a small town in the wilds of Alaska when he’d rather be on a sunny Californian golf course. One of those shows that’s a perfect antidote for the stress of city life I’ve found.November 6, 2018 at 11:25 am #238839
Best Bond? Goldeneye on N64.
Yeah you’ve got me there.
One-hit-kills and proximity mines all the way.November 6, 2018 at 12:19 pm #238840
From Russia With Love, On Her Majesties Secret Service, The Spy Who Loved Me, License to Kill, Skyfall. Some great Bond there.
Bond should be worse than it is. There are loads of problematic bits – the lead character being a misogynistic psychopath, for a start – but somehow they’re done with enough style and, post-Thunderball, knowingness, that the films manage to get away with it.
Ones I don’t like that everyone seems to love: Dr. No, Live and Let Die, Goldeneye.November 6, 2018 at 12:44 pm #238841
> Often I find I like each actor’s first movie best
That works for me with Dalton, Craig and, erm, Lazenby. And Moore I guess. I *like* other Moore films at least as much as I like LALD but I’d probably agree it’s his best.November 6, 2018 at 4:32 pm #238842
There’s also the argument that in their 3rd film, each actor gives their best performance (as they’ve become comfortable in the role, and the script has been specifically written for them). It’s tough to argue with.
– The Spy Who Loved Me
– The World Is Not Enough
Obviously Dalton and Lazenby never made it that far (although Dalton in Licence to Kill is great)
On the flip side, each of those actors’ final Bond films was easily their worst:
– Diamonds Are Forever
– A View To A Kill (look out for Tony Hawks!)
– Die Another Day
Here’s hoping Craig’s next (and probably last) outing will buck this trend.November 6, 2018 at 4:36 pm #238843
The best Bond is Everything Or Nothing on PS2, though. Platinum. Tanks. Willem Dafoe. Come on people.November 6, 2018 at 5:48 pm #238844
> A View To A Kill (look out for Tony Hawks!)
WHAT?! Where?November 6, 2018 at 8:19 pm #238845
And of course, who could forget the most famous Bond star cameos in Red Dwarf;
The tank from Goldeneye/Beyond a Joke and (allegedly) a chunk of Moonraker space station/Nova 5 miniature.November 6, 2018 at 10:54 pm #238850
Everything Or Nothing is a real flawed masterpiece. It can range from being the most fiddly frustrating thing you’ve ever played, to being almost magical in it’s ability to make you feel like you really are Bond making chaos in an OTT action movie.November 6, 2018 at 11:12 pm #238851
This is very poor quality, but you can see him here:
I tweeted him about to check it was him, and replied immediately confirming it with embarrassment.November 7, 2018 at 1:27 pm #238859
Thank you. Yeah I can kinda see why he’s embarrassed. Still, he’s in a Bond film. Can’t think of anyone else who’s been in Bond and Dwarf.November 7, 2018 at 3:02 pm #238860
The only other Bond/Dwarf link I can think of is Chris Barrie and Daniel Craig both being in the first Tomb Raider.November 7, 2018 at 4:16 pm #238861
She had to settle for being in Die Another Day and doing the song for it.November 7, 2018 at 9:44 pm #238866
I wonder where the link in that article to ‘bizarre’ production reports went to originally?
I think she was supposed to play some sort of Simulant Queen thing wasn’t she?November 7, 2018 at 11:40 pm #238867
The (presumed) homo sapienoid from that Red Dwarf movie media kit pamphlet thing?November 8, 2018 at 12:54 am #238868
Tbh I don’t remember the story. I Googled red dwarf madonna just to confirm she was one of the very famous people rumoured to be a Red Dwarf fan back in the day, and I hadn’t just made that up. Bill Clinton was another one of course. I’d love to know where that came from.November 8, 2018 at 3:28 am #238869
IMDb says Gary Powell was (stunt performer – uncredited) in Gunmen of the Apocalypse and (stunt double: Bond double #1 – uncredited) / (stunts) in GoldenEye. So he’d be indistinguishably on screen in both.November 8, 2018 at 5:53 am #238870
> I wonder where the link in that article to ‘bizarre’ production reports went to originally?
The Wayback Machine is your friend:
https://web.archive.org/web/20001017190244/https://filmforce.ign.com/news/1380.htmlNovember 8, 2018 at 11:59 am #238871
Has anyone been in both RD and Star Wars other than Koo Stark? ( Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones
in Timeslides and Camie in the original cut of New Hope)
Has anyone been in both RD and Doctor Who other than Angela Bruce? (Brigadier Bamera and Parallel Lister)November 8, 2018 at 12:04 pm #238872
There must be loads for Doctor Who, surely. The first one that springs to mind is Asclepius (Jami Reid-Quarrell) who was Colony Sarff and the Veil in DW series 9.November 8, 2018 at 12:34 pm #238873
Not Red Dwarf but interesting anyway: Jeremy Bulloch was in the first Sontaran story of Doctor Who before going on to play Boba Fett.
“Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones” has to be one of THE funniest things in all of Dwarf. Just something about the double-J.November 8, 2018 at 12:58 pm #238874
I wouldn’t know about Doctor Who but Jeremy “Boba Fett” Bulloch is also Smithers in For Your Eyes Only and Octopussy.
> Has anyone been in both RD and Star Wars other than Koo Stark?
The late Don Henderson of Bulman fame, who I always refer to exactly like that because the cave guide in League of Gentlemen does, is the simulant in Beyond a Joke and is in A New Hope.November 8, 2018 at 2:20 pm #238875
Wow so he is the first person to utter the word Sith on screen? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Erf6s_wYJkNovember 8, 2018 at 6:16 pm #238876
I love that deleted scene, there’s just something so engaging about it, even though it’s incomplete and unedited etc. First time I saw it I thought whoa. And yep, the word Sith had been around since at least ’76 but was never spoken on screen until Episode I (?); I think it’s used in the novelisation which came out before the film or something.November 8, 2018 at 7:17 pm #238877
Frances Barber has been in both.November 8, 2018 at 8:24 pm #238879
Wasn’t Mac McDonald in The Empire Strikes Back? As a rebel pilot apparently, though I’ve never noticed him myself.November 8, 2018 at 8:57 pm #238882
“Lady Sabrina Mulholland-Jjones” has to be one of THE funniest things in all of Dwarf. Just something about the double-J.
It’s an absolutely excellent silly name. Makes me wish they’d done more.November 8, 2018 at 10:33 pm #238883
Kevin Eldon’s been in RD and Hyperdrive. That’s a limited members club.November 8, 2018 at 11:04 pm #238884
Jack Klaff was Abraham Lincoln in ‘Meltdown’, Red Four in ‘A New Hope’ and Apostis in ‘For Your Eyes Only’.November 9, 2018 at 10:32 pm #238895
I was concerned that the Roger Moore era was going to be too stupid to appreciate, what with the Alan Partridge endorsement, but Live and Let Die was loads of fun and Yaphet Kotto’s death was hilarious, so keep it coming.November 10, 2018 at 10:43 am #238903
Be interested to see what you make of Moonraker.November 10, 2018 at 2:32 pm #238906
I was surprised that he only got to space in the end showdown, obviously I thought the whole film was in spaceNovember 10, 2018 at 3:25 pm #238907
Made on location in “OUTER SPACE!” according to the credits.November 10, 2018 at 4:40 pm #238908
Pete Part Three
I did a double-take when I saw that. You know, like pigeons do.November 11, 2018 at 1:18 am #238910
People forget, you can get lost in space.November 11, 2018 at 6:03 pm #238926
>Made on location in “OUTER SPACE!” according to the credits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g1Sq1Nr58hMNovember 14, 2018 at 12:07 am #239041
Because it was asked, I enjoyed Moonraker. Alternately crazily thrilling and quite dull, far from my least favourite (Golden Gun/Diamonds or Casino ’67 if that counts). Definitely the most over-the-top so far (I figure the 80s will hit the brakes hard then), but to their credit, they succeeded in gradually raising my suspension of disbelief to the point that I still accepted it as a Bond film – right up to the moment a blaster was fired and it became Star Wars for 20 minutes.December 10, 2018 at 2:19 pm #239955
Forgive the necroing of a semi-old thread. But my suggestion for a first watch would be Bodyswap or Marooned.December 10, 2018 at 2:32 pm #239956
Thanks for the bump/excuse.
1. Skyfall, 2. From Russia with Love, 3. Licence to Kill, 4. Goldfinger, 5. The Spy Who Loved Me, 6. Live and Let Die, 7. Casino Royale, 8. On Her Majesty’s Secret Service, 9. Moonraker, 10. You Only Live Twice, 11. Dr No, 12. The Living Daylights, 13. GoldenEye, 14. Octopussy, 15. Never Say Never Again, 16. Thunderball, 17. Tomorrow Never Dies, 18. For Your Eyes Only, 19. Spectre, 20. Die Another Day, 21. The World Is Not Enough, 22. Quantum of Solace, 23. Diamonds Are Forever, 24. A View to a Kill, 25. The Man With the Golden Gun, 26. Casino Royale 1967
Dalton.December 10, 2018 at 3:50 pm #239962
That’s not a bad ranking. TWINE so low and worst of Brosnan’s though?!December 11, 2018 at 12:39 am #239981
I was just bored by TWINE, and the Brosnan era was depressing me generally by not being the direction I wanted after LTK. DAD was definitely worse, but I had more fun laughing at its expense and was relieved it was the last one.December 11, 2018 at 2:40 am #239984
Ah, the Brosnan films were my first exposure to Bond, but yeah I can see how they might seem like a bit of a retrograde step if you were watching them all in order these days. After such a long gap there was definitely a conscious effort to go back to a tried and tested formula. I think they did try and have their cake and eat it to an extent though, and sometimes the grittiness is at odds with the lighter tone. Brosnan himself, however, manages to be a cross between Connery and Moore quite brilliantly I think
And I do have a soft spot for the utter bollocks of DAD when I’m in the right mood for it.December 11, 2018 at 3:34 am #239988
I would have appreciated Brosnan more if I’d taken a break after LTK like they did. I mainly enjoyed the tank stealing the show in GoldenEye and Michelle Yeoh in TND.
I remember seeing an advert for this Bond box set in some magazine c.2000 and my traditional 70-something Nana pointing out the good Bonds: Connery, Moore and (surprisingly) Brosnan. Fun to think of her watching GoldenEye on ITV and loving it.December 11, 2018 at 4:23 am #240036
Old ladies like a Bond with a twinkle in his eye I guess.
VHS tapes took up a lot of space, didn’t they?December 11, 2018 at 3:04 pm #240092
I really enjoy Tomorrow Never Dies. It captures the romp feel of the most fun Moore films, without the faux-grittiness of GoldenEye or the gimmicky shite of the other two Brosnans. It’s the only Brosnan I can imagine wanting to ever watch again, tank scene aside.December 11, 2018 at 7:15 pm #240093
I think all the Brosnan Bonds have their moments, although Die Another Day is largely shite.December 12, 2018 at 3:46 am #240098
Warren Zevon, after getting his cancer diagnosis, said he wanted to live long enough to see the next Bond film. That alone justifies Die Another Day.
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