Back to Earth Director’s Cut – Dave & Dave HD, 9pm Sun 4 March

[Nick R]

http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/news/2012/03/02/back-to-back-to-earth/

Is this the first time Dave have broadcast the director’s cut?

Oh, and the 1998 Smeg Ups is on straight afterwards.

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[Danny Stephenson]

I thnk it’s safe to say that Rimmer’s psyche isn’t exactly black and white.

[clem]

> just WATCH Blade Runner please!!

Which version should we watch? I did see it many years ago and keep meaning to watch it again. You should all watch Dark Star as well if you’ve never seen it.

[Ridley]

As for any arguments over morals, he even gets her to justify him killing her.

Myes, she does basically give him permission.

[Pete Part Three]

>She’s gone and he lives, so he gets one over. He outwits her simply because she didn’t see it coming. Ok, it’s not an ingenious plot on his part, but the character isn’t one for dreaming up such plans.

Not even, on the evidence of BTE, in his own fantasies.

>As for any arguments over morals, he even gets her to justify him killing her.

Yes, that’s how morals work.

I’m not going to continue arguing this point as you think killing someone is the same thing as outwitting them, so I’ll just smile and nod and say you’re right, lest you feel the inclination to push me in front of a car.

[Phil]

I thnk it’s safe to say that Rimmer’s psyche isn’t exactly black and white.

In fact, one might say it’s a grey matter.

[Ben Paddon]

Expertly done, Phil.

[ChrisM]

Which version should we watch? I did see it many years ago and keep meaning to watch it again. You should all watch Dark Star as well if you’ve never seen it.

The Final Cut is my favourite version, but to all the references I’d advise you watch The Theatrical Cut.

Actually, watch both. :)

[pfm]

The Final Cut was IMO one of the few cases where the director messing with a film years down the line actually worked. Brilliantly, too. It’s absolutely flawless.

Differing opinions to this are welcome…in the reject bin with the rest of the Raggy Dolls! :D

> I still need to see Reservoir Dogs, Chicago and Being Human.

Oh what delights await you, Kelly! Chicago is actually a guilty pleasure of mine, with it coming out right in the middle of my *obsesses over Renee Zellweger* phase…

[Pete Part Three]

You don’t need to see Chicago. It’s shit.

[Alex]

In all seriousness I think it’d make for an excellent essay. For someone else to write.

Done.

[UncreativeUserName]

The Blade Runner angle in BTE is one of the most baffling things I’ve ever seen in anything ever. I mean, I kinda liked Back To Earth, but it would’ve been so much better without it.

[Pete Part Three]

>Done

Lovely stuff. I’m not sure I can be arsed to write a full rebuttal, but briefly (because this has been discussed above);

Most of your examples are where Rimmer asks someone else to do the dirty work for him, and they provide a “no” to stop that happening. Or in the case of The Inquisitor, they actually go along with it (?!). Were he the one holding the bazookoid in these instances, one wonders if he’d live up to his bold claims.

In the case of the oft-quoted Demons and Angels bit; Rimmer isn’t advocating killing Lister or The Cat, he’s simply saying that, if they die, it helps him and Kryten reach the asteroid. I guess this comes down to whether you think allowing someone to die is the same as murder, and there’s plenty of discussion on that topic to be going on with.

[Alex]

ost of your examples are where Rimmer asks someone else to do the dirty work for him, and they provide a “no” to stop that happening. Or in the case of The Inquisitor, they actually go along with it (?!). Were he the one holding the bazookoid in these instances, one wonders if he’d live up to his bold claims.

There were more examples originally, but I cut it down to save on sanity. I couldn’t justify a 1,500+ word count either. Without re-reading it i’m not sure if it was kept in, but my feeling was that no he wouldn’t due to being a coward, and that it is extreme good fortune for the charecter in such episodes that he is soft light.

[genericnerdyusername]

Rimmer now knows that Katrina is a fictional character and not a real person. That’s good enough an explanation for me.

[Pete Part Three]

Did you watch Part Three before Part Two?

[clem]

Got BtE on Blu-ray for Christmas and promised myself I’d finally get around to seeing Blade Runner again before I watch it. Handily, the Final Cut is on BBC2 tomorrow night at 11.30, followed by a making-of documentary.

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