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  • #228190
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Seb P., Apart from Graham Chapman, were there any guest actors that were considered for a role but when they did an availability check, the actor was unable to do it?

    #228191
    flanl3
    Participant

    I think they wanted Adolf Hitler back in his character’s two later appearances.

    #228193
    Jawscvmcdia
    Blocked

    Alexandra Pigg was supposed to be the Kochanski in the original series, but they couldn’t get her back when the show was remounted.

    #228196
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    todhunter was supposed to come back for series VIII but robert bathurst was doing something else

    #228203
    Ridley
    Participant

    Is your name Seb P?

    #228204
    flanl3
    Participant

    Is your name Seb P?

    #228218
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Is your name Seb P?

    #228219
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Yes.

    #228232
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Seb P., when are you going to update the Blue Midget page?

    #228234
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    Seb P. Parts One, Two and Three

    #228235
    cwickham
    Participant

    Why weren’t three different people asking “Is your name Seb P?” combined into one, though?

    #228236
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Wait for the Director’s Cut

    #228237
    flanl3
    Participant

    It was a valid reference, just not one that worked very well in text.

    Anyways, to answer your question, they tried to get Seb P in every episode, but he was always unavailable.

    #228242
    clem
    Participant

    When Kryten is restored to factory settings in VIII, at one point the idea was that David Ross would provide the voice. I don’t know whether it got as far as actually trying to get him though.

    #228251
    MANI506
    Participant

    Brian May. Or he may not.

    #228268
    Lily
    Participant

    >It was a valid reference, just not one that worked very well in text.

    Reference was on point. Worked fine.

    #228288
    (deleted)
    Participant

    Clare Grogan in the Stasis Leak studio shoot.
    Mark Williams in Back In The Red.
    Norman Lovett in Back To Earth.
    Chloe Annett in Entangled.

    Also, they nearly couldn’t get Robert Llewellyn for series 3. That’s why they had John Sparkes on standby as a failsafe (and I sometimes wonder if that was the reason they booked Gordon Kennedy as Hudzen 10…)

    #228290
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    >Chloe Annett in Entangled

    what?

    #228293

    The chimp was meant to be Kochanski, but it didn’t work out so when it is returned to being a woman it ends up being Irene, an ending Doug had to rush and rewrite along with most of Dear Dave to account for the lack of Kochanski hence it being a shit show of an episode.

    #228307

    Dear Dave’s loss is XI/XII’s gain. I cannot see Kochanski working in the current version of the show.

    #228312
    bloodteller
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    >The chimp was meant to be Kochanski

    are you sure? in the X Documentary they explain the original idea was that the chimp would stay a chimp for the rest of the episode, and Rimmer found out it was very intelligent and tried to use it to pass his exams or something. but apparently actors in chimp suits can only work 45 minutes at a time, so they had to quickly rewrite it as turning back into a human.

    #228313
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    idk maybe it was meant to be Kochanski and i just never heard about it, but the story on the documentary is definitely that the professor was to remain a chimp

    #228317
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I heard that originally it was supposed to be Kochanski behind the door or something, but perhaps that was just wild speculation.

    Actors in chimp suits can only work for 45 minutes but old Bobby Llew can work day in day out for weeks, shameful x

    (I have no idea how difficult being in a chimp suit is, maybe it’s horrible)

    #228318
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Actors in chimp suits can only work for 45 minutes

    Which is 45 minutes longer than the idea works for.

    #228320

    Oh yeah, maybe I’m getting the two stories confused. But either way, the many references to finding Kochanski earlier in the series were meant to pay off with them actually finding her in the back end of the series.

    #228321
    Dave
    Participant

    I thought the suggestion in the documentary was that it was originally due to be Kochanski in the stasis booth, then they made it a chimp, then they had to add a human after the chimp restrictions became clear.

    #228324

    Pretty sure the Kochanski plot strand had to be scrapped when the series was cut from eight episodes to six, but the rest of Entangled was salvaged and given a different ending. And then the working issue required another rewrite at the last minute.

    #228325
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >when the series was cut from eight episodes to six
    ????

    #228326
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I know they cut location filming etc but didn’t know they were going to make eight episodes. where are you getting this information from, i don’t remember it being in We’re Smegged

    #228327
    Warbodog
    Participant

    It’s the old, old story. Crew’s supposed to find Kochanski, Kochanski becomes chimpanzee. Doug loses chimpanzee. Chimpanzee becomes woman, woman trips out of airlock and amusingly dies in cold vacuum of space. It’s a classic tale.

    #228328
    NoFro
    Participant

    Warbodog wins the thread.

    #228329

    I’m actually in tears reading that Warbodog. Well done.

    #228334
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I nominate Warbodog’s post for Hall of Fame status.

    #228342

    I know they cut location filming etc but didn’t know they were going to make eight episodes. where are you getting this information from, i don’t remember it being in We’re Smegged

    I’m not sure anymore, but I’m almost 100% certain it’s the case.
    It’s probably bollocks now I’ve said that.

    #228352
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I think in We’re Smegged, Doug says “we lost two episodes” – but I took this to mean “we lost two episodes I had started writing and had to write two replacements”, not we had to drop the total number fbeps from 8 to 6.

    #228359

    Ah! That’s probably it then. I honestly thought that meant there was an arc lined up for the series, then it got cut down and wasn’t possible any more. Silly me!

    #228375
    cwickham
    Participant

    Somebody posted a theory on here that the chimp was meant to turn out to be Kochanski, based on the fact that Professor E was a last-minute addition to the script after they found out the restrictions on the actor with the chimp suit, but I think in the original version of Entangled the chimp was just meant to stay a chimp.

    I think that was all just supposition though, and Kochanski was only down to be in the scrapped episodes 5 & 6. Remember that the original ending of Entangled, which they couldn’t film because of the restrictions, was meant to be Rimmer and Lister arguing over who was going to look after the chimp, which doesn’t fit with the idea that chimp = Kochanski.

    #228380
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    them arguing about who has to look after the chimp sounds like a much funnier end to the episode, it’s a shame it had to be changed

    #228381
    si
    Participant

    >Guest actors that they wanted but couldn’t get?

    How about Guest actors that they got but didn’t want? Or Guest actors we didn’t want but that they got anyway? Guest actors that they got but really shouldn’t? Guest actors they could have got but didn’t bother?

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