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  • #242980
    Ben Kirkham
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    Terrible topic title. Couldn’t resist. Apologies.

    I’ve just watched it again, I watch it loads and loads and every time I find it to be one of the funniest, most enjoyable episodes. So let’s have this out, once and for all. Why the bad reputation? Let’s hear from people who love it, hate it and are a bit indifferent to it and why.

    Discuss.

    #242985
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I’m not all that fond of the guest cast and the big focus they get, but I love all the scenes with the regulars, which are up there with the funniest of the whole series. So that balances out to kind of indifferent, but on the good side.

    When I did a semi-rewatch last year, that was the episode that made me laugh out loud the most, maybe because I didn’t used to watch it so often or just because it’s one of the funniest.

    #242986
    Warbodog
    Participant

    Meltdown survey rankings:

    Smegazine 1992 – 23rd of 30 (not so good)
    BTL 1994 – 36th of 36 (worst)
    BTL 1997 – 41st of 44 (one of the worst)
    BTL 1999 – 35th of 49 (not that bad)
    G&T 2008 – joint 15th of 52 (great, but this is just G&T admin)
    G&T 2013 – 31st of 61 (middle)
    G&T 2018 – 29th of 73 (above average)

    #242993
    si
    Participant

    I think it’s great, personally.
    Just had a look at how I voted in the Pearl Poll, and I placed it 26th of 73.

    #242997
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I’ve always loved it. It is very silly, features the guest cast heavily, features some arguably out-of-character behaviour and a location which just looks utterly depressing, as well as that deliberately(?) shoddy stock footage, but it’s still very funny and has a fantastic little anti-war speech at the end. I don’t see why it would be “hated”, but I can see why people wouldn’t be rushing to place it in their top tens.

    #243009

    Cat and Lister in jail is probably some of the funniest stuff from series 4.

    Watching it again recently myself and I did have to question why they needed a matter paddle to get there. What about the plot, other than a few jokes about using it wrong and ending up in showers or chimneys, is required by the paddle. Why not just a planet they stumble across, see sizes of life and take Starbug down? I guess it helps separate the crew on the planet … but then so could Kryten and Rimmer going missing (again – Backwards, Terrorform) and Lister and the Cat going to find them and ending up on landing on the evil side.

    #243010
    Lily
    Participant

    Dodgy ‘dinosaurs’.
    Outside stuff looks like the back of the studios.
    Whinny the Poo scene has the air of “we don’t have the budget to film this”.
    Some of the guests give a weak performance.
    Some of the guests are too over the top.

    All that being said, I’ve always quite liked it.

    #243011
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    I like it a lot. And the smeg ups are very memorable too.
    “Stone…”

    #243014
    Jimboid
    Participant

    I think it feels quite broad in the context of the original 36.

    Compared to what was coming in a few years, though…it’s almost Swiftian in its rapier-etc-etc.

    It’s always been funny, just in a slightly different gear to what we were used to at the time.

    #243017
    Dave
    Participant

    I like it but it’s definitely one of the sillier ones.

    Elvis steals the show a bit too much at times, but he’s so great that you can’t complain.

    #243021

    The Winnie the Pooh bit being all dialogue is infinitely funnier than it being done visually, and I’m pretty sure everyone making it knew this at the time. It’s all about Craig’s delivery.
    I think the matter panel stuff works because it splits them up in a more original way than repeating things from literally the previous series. Plus cool effect for the time. Anyway, it manages to make Rimmer’s brainlessly boring story work better because it can be shoe horned in and yet it comes across as the actual plot of the episode interrupting what “should” be happening, which is Lister and the Cat having no escape from Rimmer’s risk story. It’s a well constructed beginning.

    I’ve kind of always loved Meltdown and, I shit you not readers, I was gutted when I found out how unpopular it is/was. Looking back, it has similar ideas in it to series X-II, and like Jimboid said, it is much broader than something like Dimension Jump or Camille, but it just does them much better. Cured is probably a good example of having an idea close to Meltdown but doing it… not wrongly but certainly less successfully.

    #243024
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    I don’t know. As a kid, it was always my least favourite of Series IV, but I’ve never been able to isolate why. As I’ve grown older, I’ve found it funnier and funnier, and now it’s an episode I really enjoy.

    Maybe it was because it was at the end of my off-broadcast-VHS tapes, so it took longer to to get to and got rewatched less? Maybe because even for Dwarf it was a bit more out-there and bizarre? I dunno. Maybe now we have a lot more Red Dwarf that is of much worse quality (looking square at you Series VIII), it raises Meltdown by comparison.

    #243026
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >Whinny the Poo scene has the air of “we don’t have the budget to film this”.
    No way, it’s absolutely a joke that works better through dialogue than through us actually being shown it, especially with Craig’s delivery of it

    Also the comments on the matter paddle not being necessary is kind of strange, because it’s not like it detracts from the episode in any way, and it does lead to a lot of funny gags, and this is a comedy after all.

    Basically my comment is exactly what genericnerdyusername said, carry on

    #243028

    Thanks for agreeing with me, Ben! Whenever I give an opinion anywhere online I usually get anxious over how it’s going to come across, so it’s nice to feel justified.

    #243031
    Warbodog
    Participant

    This isn’t what we’re talking about, sorry, but Holoship is an even more extreme case than Meltdown of an episode being confusingly unpopular once and gradually working its way up the ranks, now approaching the top 10.

    Second worst in 1992
    32nd in 1994
    28th in 1997
    23rd in 1999
    15th in 2013
    13th in 2018
    (10th G&T 2008)

    What’s that all about? I think it’s one of the most quotable episodes, great design, and obviously a good one for Rimmer. 90s sci-fi fans stereotypically weren’t interested in love stories? Camille’s never done that well either, usually in the 30s or 40s, but at least that’s consistent.

    #243033
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion on G&T, genericnerdyusername, we’re all friends here :-)

    I, too, agree that the Winnie the Pooh scene is sold purely through dialogue and reactions. “He’s refusing the blindfold” always makes me laugh. And maybe that’s why I love the episode and it’s unique style. It’s utterly absurd but it’s absurdity seems to make sense within itself. Quite Monty Python-esque. Compare it’s broad and freewheeling absurdity to the dinosaur/cow moment in ‘Pete Part Two’ which is ludicrous in a sad and desperate way. Likewise ‘Timewave,’ which is just embarrassing.

    I wouldn’t like Red Dwarf to be like this all the time, but if it ever experiments with going a bit Monty Python, I’m glad it’s this episode.

    #243036
    Lily
    Participant

    I love the Winnie scene too, I was just trying to think of reasons why people in general might not like it.

    > but Holoship is an even more extreme case than Meltdown of an episode being confusingly unpopular once and gradually working its way up the ranks

    I could see that people’s opinions on Holoship would change over time. The young teenagers that rated it in the 90s were less likely to understand or empathise with Rimmers motivations as well as the 30somethings that are rating it now.

    #243037
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Never been keen on the weird scene transitions, the odd music, the budget impersonators, the crap location, and the stock footage, all of which are production choices rather than writing.

    I can name 31 episodes of Red Dwarf which are worse though.

    #243038
    Dax101
    Participant

    I like it, but might be my least favorite of Series 4. alot of the story banks around the impersonators.

    But on the plus though, the impersonators play it mostly subtle so it doesn’t fall into X/XI/XII hamming.

    Clayton Mark as Elvis is great though.

    #243039
    Dave
    Participant

    The Winnie-the-Pooh scene is like doing a radio sketch but on TV. It gets funnier as each invisible detail is revealed.

    #243041
    Hamish
    Participant

    I will say that, considering that they are playing wax droid versions of the historical figures and not the historical figures themselves, them being a bit broad is actually more realistic.

    It also makes the determination on who is good or evil here a little less dodgy, since it is all based on popular perceptions of the figures rather than the figures themselves. There is a lot of dirt you can throw at Mother Teresa, Queen Victoria, or even Gandhi if you look, but all that matters is their reputation.

    #243042
    Hamish
    Participant

    Further I would say that both Raspution and Messalina get a bit of an unfair rap, but it is fine in the context of the episode.

    #243048
    NoFro
    Participant

    It is a generally strong script with some outstanding scenes but I definitely found it hard to get past the crap locations and broad impersonations when I was younger and I’ve always disliked that they didn’t do anything to make the waxworks look more like waxworks through a subtle make up effect or something.

    Always loved Pythagoras though. Always with the triangles.

    #243050
    si
    Participant

    This thread has made me go back and look at the polls, and, as I’ve only been dipping in and out of the boxset til now, I’ve now started a full RD rewatch, but in Pearl Poll reverse order. The idea being that it’ll keep getting better.
    This means I’ve started this afternoon by watching Pete and Back In The Red. (The whole stories – I’m not going to break them up, that’s just silly)
    Timewave, Only The Good… and Krytie TV tomorrow.

    #243052
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    Re, reverse order. That is an EXCELLENT idea.

    #243054
    Dave
    Participant

    Or a terrible one – I think I might not make it past that first couple of days.

    #243055
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    Brave decision if you’re playing the long game. Sort of like that bit in The Shawshank Redemption when Andy Dufresne tunnels through all the shit to get to freedom.

    #243057

    That’s very brave. Apart from anything else I’d probably get annoyed at watching g things out of ordered before I got annoyed at watching lots of shit episodes.

    #243058
    Warbodog
    Participant

    Does anyone have a preferred viewing order they stubbornly stick to over the broadcast order because it “makes more sense”?

    I only ever watch random episodes anyway, but I’d theoretically do:

    I – Future Echoes fourth to preserve the sense of an opening trilogy dealing with the fallout before moving on to Zany space antics.

    II – Head before Bells for Percy’s beard continuity. Wrong show, but I actually do that one.

    III – Marooned before Backwards for Kryten’s strangeness continuity.

    IV – Meltdown before Camille for Kryten’s rebelling continuity. Feels a bit extreme though.

    VIII – Pete before Krytie TV so the name “Ackerman” might actually mean something.

    #243060
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Meltdown is worth it for Rimmer’s line about poncey French philosophers

    #243061
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >Timewave, Only The Good… and Krytie TV tomorrow.
    I like how the ellipsis at the end of Only The Good makes it look like you’re pausing for dramatic effect before the reveal of the horror that is Krytie TV.

    #243062
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    Re: The Percy’s Beard thing in Blackadder II. He chops it off in Bells and grows it back before Head. Then he decides to get rid of it before Potato. Continuity issue solved ;)

    #243069
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    the location footage looks like a couple of fields somewhere in England, not an alien planet.

    #243070

    SCI-FI SHOW IN EXTERIOR FOOTAGE LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE EARTH AND NOT ANOTHER PLANET SHOCK!

    #243096
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    >the location footage looks like a couple of fields somewhere in England, not an alien planet.

    I think even Rob and Doug were annoyed about this, to be fair. As I recall Rob mentioned in an interview “they could have at least put up a few signs saying ‘Welcome to Wax-world’ ” or something like that, and pointing out how it isn’t really convincing that they’re in this wax droid theme park

    #243097

    A dilapidated sign could have worked, but then wouldn’t that give it away to the character’s who don’t know for quite a while what’s going on.

    Also, one of the droids says to Rimmer they’ve been there on their own for millions of years. So any semblance of a theme park would be gone and it would just all be overgrown fields and woodland etc. Even the buildings shouldn’t really still be standing but you can sort of forgive that a little.

    As much as it looks naff, that is how it’d look in reality

    #243098
    Lily
    Participant

    I think the problem is that it’s not even convincing as fields somewhere in England. The buildings in the background and the fence line they walk along really make it feel like the bit of scrubland at the back of the studio car park. It’s the lack of any type of effort that devalues it.

    The outside stuff in Better Than Life is pretty ropey as well. You don’t see Rhyll beach and think of paradise, but with the doorway and car ‘appearing’ it’s enough to be able to just about hold on to enough suspension of belief to make it work.

    #243099
    Lily
    Participant

    Oh and I was going to also say -where- is Wax World? It must be pretty close to Earth surely? If they’ve been alone there for millions of years, they must be of pretty much the same time as Lister? Had humans gone beyond the solar system at that point?

    #243100
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    There would countless uninhabited planets in the Dwarf universe that have ended up colonized by humanity, so it may not be close to Earth.

    #243101
    Warbodog
    Participant

    RIMMER: So are there any planets with an atmosphere in range?

    KRYTEN: Well, several according to the paddle’s scanners, but the most interesting prospect appears to be 200,000 light years away. In the normal course of things it would take Starbug several billion years to reach it.

    200,000 light years is about the size of the Milky Way. I have no idea how any of this applies to Red Dwarf or how those various numbers work together.

    #243104
    clem
    Participant

    > I placed it 26th of 73.

    That’s what I did. Seems about right – it’s a little bit better than people think it is. Chris gives a good performance. Broad, but like in Officer Rimmer it’s Rimmer himself that’s getting carried away so it works. His disdain for Gandhi is hilarious. Also Caligula is the highlight of Tony Hawks’ Red Dwarf career.

    Maybe it’s more popular than it used to be because now, in the Dave era, fans are more open to different approaches, whereas before it was seen as the show doing something outside its remit or a perceived creative vision. I agree it’s got a bit of a X – XII vibe, mainly due to the guest cast.

    #243105
    clem
    Participant

    > Terrible topic title. Couldn’t resist. Apologies.

    Am I missing something? What’s the joke?

    #243106

    I think a lot of it is more broad and silly than the show generally went for at the time, which might put some people off. I think it’s bloody great though. It’s odd that it wasn’t originally intended to be the last episode of IV, as it has the ‘something slightly different’ end-of-series feel that the closers tend to have. The Lister and Cat prison scene is up there with my favourite Dwarf moments, particularly the Caligula part.

    The location never bothered me. Plus it helped set up shows I got into later, like being able to enjoy SG-1 without getting bothered that every single planet in the universe looks like Canada.

    I – Future Echoes fourth to preserve the sense of an opening trilogy dealing with the fallout before moving on to Zany space antics.

    Although in some senses I think this might lead to an oddly paced series in terms of it just being a sitcom, I agree that narratively having the ‘not much happens’ episodes at the start works a lot better.

    #243107

    Oh and I was going to also say -where- is Wax World? It must be pretty close to Earth surely? If they’ve been alone there for millions of years, they must be of pretty much the same time as Lister? Had humans gone beyond the solar system at that point?

    I’m pretty sure the show implies that the ship Red Dwarf stays within the solar system for the most part – that is until Skipper when in one of the universes it is said they are “doing jags up and down the Milky Way every six months”. If that’s true then they are regularly breaking physics because the Milky Way is 100,000 light years across so to traverse that in 6months you’d have to be going way over the speed limit … or travelling much much much faster than light can.

    But even before that, Tod Hunter asks Lister in The End if he has ever travelled interstellar as he is about to go into stasis. So that tells us that in Lister’s life time, long distance space travel was capable – albeit crew would probably be in suspended animation.

    It’s not stated in the show, but in the novels, Kryten and the Nova 5 ended up where they were (ostensibly 3million years into deep space) by way of a Holly Hop type drive … or actually more like the BSG jumping drive thing (can’t remember what it’s called) that can instantly propel them across very large sections of space. I think in Infinity Welcome’s Careful Drivers it’s stated they could use the Nove 5 drive to get back to Earth in multiple jumps in 6 months.

    And Kryten isn’t much younger than Lister and Rimmer right? Built around the same time, maybe a hundred years later. So humanity was able to expand and explore space as much as they wanted in Lister and Rimmer’s time or shortly after.

    Also, the matter paddle is an experiment found aboard Red Dwarf (why they’re conducting experiments on mining ship, who knows) but it could be a precursor to the Nova 5 drive as it acts in exactly the same why. Can transport you vast distances in seconds. It’s just the Nova 5 drive is capable of transporting entire space ships and not just people.

    All of that also goes someway to explaining why the space they are travelling through is always so populated. Over those 3 million years humanity got everywhere … Maybe even further out than Red Dwarf before it turned around.

    I’d also use that to question whether humanity is actually really extinct … there’s probably some version of it out there somewhere, given the technology we appeared to have developed in a short time. We’ve either moved on further and further out or evolved in higher beings or something.

    #243109
    Warbodog
    Participant

    They reckon the galaxy’s 200,000 light years across now. Monty Python’s Galaxy Song is hard to shake off though.

    #243111

    I think the main disc is 100,000 still, but there’s some masses outside of that that are caught in the galaxies gravity and are in orbit with it, so there’s stuff further out, but it’s sparse in comparison.

    So it can be measured as 200,000, but you there’s nothing much there, and the main bit you’d want to travel around in is still only 100,000.

    Either way, its bloody big and apparently humanity, in the RD universe (at the time of or shortly after the radiation leak), has the technology to travel around it fairly easily.

    #243112
    si
    Participant

    Timewave, Only The Good… and Krytie TV tomorrow.

    Just watched Timewave. Crikey. Not only is it bad, it’s not even as good as I remember.

    #243113

    Having 3 million years to play with is pretty handy. If you think of the rate technology is developing currently, then even a few hundred years after the pre-accident era could easily bring about astonishing technological changes, the likes of which are seen in the show, and yet barely scratch the surface of the time Lister was in stasis. Humanity could have lived a long, rich 100,000 years before going extinct and still barely scratch the surface of the time Lister was in stasis.

    #243114

    Ignoring the fact that it supposedly takes 4,000 years to turn around (thus they’re still not remotely heading back to Earth and never will in their lifetime)*, if they’re heading in the general direction of Earth then there’s 3 million years of the universe expanding to take into account, which means it’s likely that various planets and such they visit are a lot further from Earth than they were when they were initially settled. It’s also likely that these were the furthest reaches of humanity and they’re still a fair way from larger settlements. Of all this, the only one that doesn’t quite work is the psi-moon, which I can’t imagine being quite so far out given its status as a luxury place for rich people.

    *There are enough ways around this for it to not be a dramatic plot hole.

    #243115

    gnoring the fact that it supposedly takes 4,000 years to turn around (thus they’re still not remotely heading back to Earth and never will in their lifetime)

    I don’t think they mean it will take literally 4000 years, just that at the speed they’re travelling, light speed or close to it, they would have travelled a further 4,000 years distance at a relatively normal speed. So it might only take a day to turn the ship around but in that time they’ve have been travelling so fast, that at normal speeds they’d be 4,000 years further away.

    So they would be slightly further away, but in the great scheme of things not that much. And if they’re still travelling at light speed once the turn is completed, they’d make some of that distance back up before they’ve slowed down to a stop.

    #243116
    si
    Participant

    Just watched Timewave. Crikey. Not only is it bad, it’s not even as good as I remember.

    My immediate reaction… what the fuck was I on?

    Let’s Talk About Timewave (on UKTV Play)

    #243117
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    pony ob. killing pooh is too dark. i like the dinosaur.

    #243118
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    pony is cockney rhyming slang but djj is from west london

    #243119
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    too obviously framing rimmer to top up his smeghead factor and maintain the wooby balance (so they can keep being mean to him). i think it was slated to go first which would have made more sense in this respect.

    #243120
    clem
    Participant

    It’s odd that Kryten calls the big bird creatures ‘dinosaurs’ because they don’t really look like dinosaurs, not even crap unconvincing ones, like Pete. They’re in Prehistoric World though, so I guess that’s what they are. When they wrote the script Rob and Doug were probably envisaging a model being made rather than footage from a Japanese monster film.

    #243121

    I don’t think they mean it will take literally 4000 years, just that at the speed they’re travelling, light speed or close to it, they would have travelled a further 4,000 years distance at a relatively normal speed. So it might only take a day to turn the ship around but in that time they’ve have been travelling so fast, that at normal speeds they’d be 4,000 years further away.

    Given that he also says “you can’t do a three point turn this close to light speed” it definitely seems to be that the turning itself will be long and difficult.

    #243122

    <block quote> Given that he also says “you can’t do a three point turn this close to light speed” it definitely seems to be that the turning itself will be long and difficult.

    Oh it will, but it would have to be a rather long arc. You couldn’t do a 3 point turn doing 100mph but given enough open space you could turn the car around, you’d just have to turn at a relatively shallow angle and keep travelling forward whilst you did it.

    #243123
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    >Ignoring the fact that it supposedly takes 4,000 years to turn around (thus they’re still not remotely heading back to Earth and never will in their lifetime)

    Holly mentions in Better Than Life that they’ve turned around though, which is why the post-pod was finally able to catch up with them.

    Also I think Meltdown is a good episode on paper, but the dodgy location footage, fucking awful dinosaur effects, rubbish scene transitions etc. all kind of sour it a bit. If they had the money to do it how Rob and Doug had envisaged, I’m sure it would have been less crap in terms of visuals

    #243172
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I never understood how that 4,000 years to turn around line fits with the rest of the series. It gives the impression that Red Dwarf will be stuck at near light speed from now on, but from series 2 they can stop and park and even in series 1 they seem to be travelling at a safe speed if they can pick up garbage pods and go outside the ship. Oh yeah, sitcom.

    #243173
    Warbodog
    Participant

    …Maybe they could slow down (Holly activates reverse thrust because light speed is too scary), they just wanted to maintain the incredible speed they’d built up over millions of years and 4,000 years was considered an acceptable trade-off, because they’d still get back to Earth much faster than if they slowed to a more conventional speed and turned around. But then they decide to do the latter anyway. I don’t bloody know.

    #243174
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    The guest stars were mostly professional lookalikes that you hire for events, were they not? Even so, Elvis steals the show.

    #243200
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    >…Maybe they could slow down (Holly activates reverse thrust because light speed is too scary), they just wanted to maintain the incredible speed they’d built up over millions of years and 4,000 years was considered an acceptable trade-off, because they’d still get back to Earth much faster than if they slowed to a more conventional speed and turned around. But then they decide to do the latter anyway. I don’t bloody know.

    It’s explained in Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers that during the events of Future Echoes, Holly managed to do some complicated maneuver that allowed them to turn around. Sure, this isn’t shown in the show, but given that they’ve turned around by Series 2 then it’s the only way that really explains how

    #243201
    clem
    Participant

    > The guest stars were mostly professional lookalikes that you hire for events, were they not?

    It’s a mix of actors, impressionists and lookalikes. Roger Blake (Noel Coward) did voices on Spitting Image, including Prince Phillip. I think he and Chris would both have still been working on SI at the time Meltdown was recorded.

    #243205
    Ben Kirkham
    Participant

    So the consensus I’m getting is that it’s mainly in the production looking a bit cheap and uninspired. I’d never really noticed it that much before, but there’s definitely a point to be made there. Still love it, though.

    #243210
    Dollar Pound
    Participant

    i really like the pony eagle dinosaur though

    #243211

    Kryten does make a point of saying the dinosaurs are unconvincing, and I’d assume that they would have written/filmed that line before they got the footage of the creatures to put into the edit.

    #243213
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    >Kryten does make a point of saying the dinosaurs are unconvincing, and I’d assume that they would have written/filmed that line before they got the footage of the creatures to put into the edit.

    It’s not so much the dinosaurs looking fake that bothers me, it’s that the quality of the footage doesn’t at all match the rest of the episode. It’s all grainy and horrible, so it doesn’t look like the dinosaurs are even in Waxworld at all, it just looks like Kryten is reacting to footage of an old monster movie- which he is, but still, it breaks my suspension of disbelief

    #243215
    clem
    Participant

    My point is that they *don’t* look like fake/unconvincing dinosaurs though. Clearly that’s what they’re meant to be, diegetically, because of what Kryten says about them and because they’re in ‘Prehistoric World’. It’s just a bit crap that if they had to use existing footage for budget or other reasons they couldn’t get actual ropey-looking fake dinosaurs, instead of using kaiju monsters.

    #243238
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I always liked that “dinosaurs” bit and Kryten criticising their credibility. I like it when Red Dwarf breaks the fourth wall – “rather unconvincing red eyes”, “why don’t we ever meet anyone who can shoot straight?”, Back to Earth part 2 before it gets a bit much.

    Not that I can remember, but when someone’s watching series IV for the first time, especially once per week, they must be wondering what the hell that dodgy bird head is in the credits, so it’s fun that it’s dragged out right to the last episode.

    #243255
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    It is bizarre that they choose to use it in the opening credits, isn’t it? Maybe it cost them a lot of money to clear or Rob and Doug actually thought it was brilliant

    #243257

    Yeah, the monsters have never bothered me, to be honest. I like the fact that their ridiculousness is played upon with a joke. It always just made me laugh, really.

    #243258

    aybe it cost them a lot of money to clear

    If that clip cost a lot of money I’d have thought they’d want to limit it’s usage. They’d have to pass a residual for each time it’s used, that could potentially mean for each TV broadcast and each home release etc …

    Putting it on every episode would cost them every time an episode from series IV airs etc.

    Unless they somehow got a flat one off rate on it, in which case it would mean it’s really cheap.

    I’d be more inclined to say that they thought it looked good in the montage to make people sit and wonder what the fuck it was when the series first went out. Though I’d have thought seeing Mother Theresa with a machine gun would have been more of a cool what the fuck thing to include, so who knows.

    #243259
    Dave
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    Now I want a Red Dwarf opening montage that consists solely of various shots of Hitler.

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