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  • #226594

    flanl3

    There are a lot of different sounds happening at the same time in the audience reaction when Lister kisses the Psiren. I’m aware that I already said this, but it seemed so important that it was worth saying twice.

    #226614

    Ben Saunders

    Didn’t you already say this?

    #226621

    bloodteller

    were the Psirens aliens, or just GELFs? i don’t remember at all if the episode confirms it or not.

    it’s like in DNA where they say the ship is not of ‘earth construction’ but don’t go into detail as to if that means aliens built it or not.

    #226622

    Pete Part Three

    No aliens in Red Dwarf. Dialogue mentions several times that they’re GELFs.

    #226628

    International Debris

    The DNA ship has always been a mild niggle for me. Everything about it seems very distinctly alien.

    #226630

    pi r squared

    What is the actual extent of the “no aliens” badge? Is it that nothing shown in the show is alien, or that aliens do not exist in the Red Dwarf universe full stop? I get that the GELFs, Simulants, viruses etc. are all of Earth descent, but things that are referred to – such as the pan-dimensional liquid beast from the Mogodon complex that attacked them on Christmas Day – seem distinctly alien to me. So too the Vidal Beast of Sharmut 2, although admittedly that’s Series VII and I don’t know if the rules have changed since then. You would also argue the Universe in Krysis is ‘alien’ by any definition of the word.

    #226639

    Dave

    The DNA ship has always been a mild niggle for me. Everything about it seems very distinctly alien.

    I always understood that it was an Earth ship that had been transformed beyond recognition by the unbridled and irresponsible use of the DNA-altering machine.

    #226641

    GlenTokyo

    Same Dave. Also not of Earth construction could just mean made on Titan or something, it’s clear in Legion that other planets have different cultures, Jovian boogle hoops, Mercurian boomerang spoon etc

    Could also be Kryten is just talking out of his arse since he’s probably only remained in contact with Earth for a couple of centuries after creation, so it might just be after his time, but I choose the ‘transmogrified beyond recognition’ explanation, as it goes with the double dog head fella later.

    The pan dimensional liquid beast from the mogadon cluster, Vidal beast are questionable though to me though. Though I suppose if humans made the polymorph and can cross dimensions then they could make a beast that can cross dimensions which they fired off into deep space.

    #226642

    Pete Part Three

    >Is it that nothing shown in the show is alien, or that aliens do not exist in the Red Dwarf universe full stop?

    The show seemed like eager in the early years to reinforce the fact that, despite Rimmer’s yearnings, every time they encounter something, it originates (indirectly or otherwise from Earth). Simulants, GELFs, Holograms, highly evolved animals with Earth origins; they all seem a way of sticking to the no-Aliens rule.

    The mentions of other creatures are deliberating as silly-sounding as possible, without the need to specify their origins.

    Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers explicitly states no aliens, of course…but that’s the novels.

    #226643

    Pete Part Three

    >The show seemed like eager

    Pretend there’s, like, an edit button too.

    #226645

    bloodteller

    is the universe in krysis technically an alien? he’s not from earth, surely.

    #226650

    International Debris

    I always understood that it was an Earth ship that had been transformed beyond recognition by the unbridled and irresponsible use of the DNA-altering machine.

    Although this is a possibility, there’s no reference to it being able to alter anything other than DNA (indeed, Kryten is only altered because his brain is part organic). So how on Earth does a spaceship get altered? Does a ship have DNA?

    #226652

    GlenTokyo

    Red Dwarf has ship wide bioorganic networking so why not. Also, long shot but would wood be organic, it was once part of a living organism like the curry and Rimmer’s dandruff, maybe it was a tasteful oak spaceship? Or just a wooden/ organic by product.

    Kryten being part organic seems to suggest that humans managed to make synthetic brain matter for computation pretty well, so why not use that to run a ship too.

    #226653

    Warbodog

    The Universe in Krysis claims “I’ve only ever created one lousy, stupid planet with intelligent life.” So it’s confirmed there are no smart aliens. Apart from The Universe, which is an alien.

    #226654

    Jawscvmcdia

    Who invented the no aliens rule? Was it Doug or Rob?

    #226659

    flanl3

    Was it Rob Doug or Grant Naylor?

    #226671

    Dave

    (played by Robert Llewellyn)

    #226672

    Katydid

    Grob Dougler.

    #226675

    Ben Saunders

    Dub Grant

    #226685

    International Debris

    Grub Antlor

    #226686

    Pete Part Three

    I’m thinking it was Rob, who didn’t want a funny robot either. Seems like the “No Aliens” rule was a way of keeping away from similar Sci-fi tropes.

    #226688

    International Debris

    To be fair, can you imagine how shit it would have been if they’d introduced a robot as a main character?

    #226689

    Ben Paddon

    Why did you turn one opinion into two posts, though?

    #226690

    Katydid

    He’d probably be all “THA BLEEEW MIJIT IS LODED.”

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