Home › Forums › Ganymede & Titan Forum › Loose Ends Search for: This topic has 38 replies, 17 voices, and was last updated 3 years, 9 months ago by Dax101. Scroll to bottom Viewing 39 posts - 1 through 39 (of 39 total) Author Posts June 5, 2020 at 11:18 am #258862 DaveParticipant Watching the documentary on the Promised Land Blu-Ray, I thought it was interesting that Doug talked about the cat race as one of the major loose ends from the early days of the show, how he wanted to address that in the special, and how any future specials would probably seek to address other major loose ends. So what could these be? Kochanski seems like the main one. Also what happened to the rest of the crew after Series VIII (and the Rimmer changeover), although Doug doesn’t seem keen on revisiting this. What else? Old Lister from Future Echoes? The Stasis Leak future? What else could they mine for a new special? June 5, 2020 at 1:14 pm #258864 siParticipant Parallel Universe – Did Hilly change her face to Norman Lovett’s? Cassandra – *Did* The Cat ever find his singing tie pin? June 5, 2020 at 1:41 pm #258869 Ben SaundersParticipant What happened to Lister’s pea? June 5, 2020 at 2:30 pm #258870 Dax101Participant Well the biggest loose end has to be the obvious one. what happened after series 8. there isn’t that many loose ends in this show. at least none that really need expansion. i guess you could expand on the events between series 2 and 3. but personally id rather he left loose ends alone. June 5, 2020 at 2:41 pm #258871 Ben SaundersParticipant What DID Kryten mean when he said “it’s almost to the day?” How did the events of White Hole pan out after the episode ended, they’d go back to what they were doing before but without the effects of the White Hole itself, right? I’m torn between not wanting Kochanski to return because of how it might impact future episodes, and accepting that there might not be that many future episodes so you might as well, AND the fact that it’s not the 90s anymore and her inclusion might be handled a lot better and more naturally in the special format. June 5, 2020 at 2:56 pm #258872 ChrisMParticipant I’m mainly interested in catching up with Kochanski, but that’s been mentioned already above. I’d also like to be filled in with how the cliff-hanger at the end of series 8 was resolved, but I appreciate Doug may not be interested in telling that story. I don’t really care that the characters look too old for a back-flash story. I’d just see it as a story of their memory of events and assume the other people of the time see them how they would have looked back then. On the other hand, I appreciate that the fact this story was left hanging was a source of gags in The Beginning, so part of me wouldn’t mind if it were just left that way. Another story that could be picked up: What happened to Lister’s sons with him/herself from a parallel universe. We know from the fast moving catch up text at the start of Series 3 that they aged quickly* and were returned to their father (who is a woman) in her universe, but they have never been referred to again. It’s not really a loose end, and I’m not fussed if they never tell the story, but it could be fuel for an interesting Lister-centric story with their reunion. *Why would that actually happen? I know it’s something to do with different rules in different universes but it seems a peculiar outcome. A time dilation thing maybe? June 5, 2020 at 2:59 pm #258873 ChrisMParticipant My post mysteriously vanished after I edited it, so here it is again: I’m mainly interested in catching up with Kochanski, but that’s been mentioned already above. I’d also like to be filled in with how the cliff-hanger at the end of series 8 was resolved, but I appreciate Doug may not be interested in telling that story. I don’t really care that the characters look too old for a back-flash story. I’d just see it as a story of their memory of events and assume the other people of the time see them how they Would have looked back then. On the other hand, I appreciate that the fact this story was left hanging was a source of gags in The Beginning, so part of me wouldn’t mind if it were just left that way. Another story that could be picked up: What happened to Lister’s sons with him/herself from a parallel universe. We know from the fast moving catch up text at the start of Series 3 that they aged quickly* and were returned to their father (who is a woman) in her universe, but they have never been referred to again. It’s not really a loose end, and I’m not fussed if they never tell the story, but it could be fuel for an interesting Lister-centric story with their reunion. *Why would that actually happen? I know it’s something to do with different rules in different universes but it seems a peculiar outcome. A time dilation thing maybe? June 5, 2020 at 3:22 pm #258874 Ian SymesKeymaster How did Dave know that we’d be discussing this exact topic in a podcast that wasn’t released until two hours after he started this thread? June 5, 2020 at 4:25 pm #258875 DaveParticipant How did Dave know that we’d be discussing this exact topic in a podcast that wasn’t released until two hours after he started this thread? Clearly a case of quantum entanglement. The suggestion of Jim and Bexley made in the podcast is one that I’d never really considered before, because I assumed from the way they’re handled in Backwards that they were shuffled off because they had no story to tell there. But arguably the age of the cast today now makes that a potentially very different story, and there could be some decent drama there in an absent-father Lister somehow meeting up with them again. Although, you know, with laughs. June 5, 2020 at 5:18 pm #258876 pendo86Participant I’d love to see an episode exploring what happened to Jim and Bexley. Perhaps a return to the Parallel Universe using the Holly Hop Drive? And an excuse to get the wonderful Hattie back, and perhaps even Angela Bruce, Suzanne Bertish and Matthew Devitt (if he’s still acting ????????♂️). We could possibly explore old Lister from Future Echoes, but I don’t know how you’d build a whole episode around that one moment where an old man in a bunk is talking to someone he can’t see. ????????♂️ The only other loose end I can think of is Kochanski, which I think makes sense to explore. And my theory is that she’s still on board Red Dwarf hiding on another part of the ship. I hope Doug doesn’t explore the Series VIII cliffhanger. With the age of the cast, I don’t think there’s any way of producing a satisfactory resolution to the cliffhanger, a flashback wouldn’t work. I think how it was handled in The Beginning was perfect and funny. On another note, I’d love for them to do a ‘Back to the Future Part II’ style episode where the crew go back and affect events that we’ve seen happen in Series 1/2. They recreated the old bunk set perfectly in XII and could reproduce some of the other old sets. This might enable them to work in the old Lister scene in Future Echoes. But I’m not sure if they have the budget or technology, or even if it would be possible to successfully blend footage together from the old show with the new. June 5, 2020 at 5:26 pm #258877 pendo86Participant Erm… I typed a response to this thread. Edited it to correct a spelling and now it’s disappeared. Can anyone else see it or has it gone? ???? Don’t know if it’s some bug on the forum system. Anyways, to paraphrase: Yes to Jim & Bexley Yes to Kochanski No to S8 cliffhanger. That’s about it. ???? June 5, 2020 at 5:54 pm #258880 Ian SymesKeymaster I don’t know what you’re on about Pendo, your post was there the whole time. June 5, 2020 at 6:54 pm #258881 pendo86Participant ???? whatever you did, thank you ???? June 5, 2020 at 6:54 pm #258882 DaveParticipant On another note, I’d love for them to do a ‘Back to the Future Part II’ style episode where the crew go back and affect events that we’ve seen happen in Series 1/2. They recreated the old bunk set perfectly in XII and could reproduce some of the other old sets. This might enable them to work in the old Lister scene in Future Echoes. But I’m not sure if they have the budget or technology, or even if it would be possible to successfully blend footage together from the old show with the new. Yeah, I’ve wondered about this before. I guess Trials And Tribble-ations was almost 25 years ago now so presumably something similar would now be possible on a Red Dwarf budget. Whether they should, though… I don’t know. It would be an extremely stark reminder of how different the show is today, amd maybe not in a good way. I also don’t know what the rights issues around the old episodes are. Didn’t they say there were a lot of hoops to jump through just for the few seconds of footage used in the campaign video in Mechocracy? June 5, 2020 at 7:07 pm #258883 clemParticipant Jim and Bexley has potential I think, and the absentee father angle could be good. I was gonna say they’d only be about 7 years younger than Lister, assuming they started aging normally once they were in the parallel universe, but what with all the time Lister’s spent in deep sleep/stasis since then, who knows? If they went with that though, it could maybe tie in with Lister, seeing as he’s his own father, also being the twins’ big half-brother, as well as their dad. It all raises the problem of the future echoes not having happened, of course, including Bexley dying in his mid-twenties… Nah, fuck it. Do Kochanski instead. June 5, 2020 at 7:14 pm #258884 Dax101Participant It certainly could invite plot holes to try and deal with that whole Jim and Bexley thing. although lister wouldn’t be the father technically. he would be the mother as he gave birth to them. I say just leave it alone. we don’t need to invite possible hic-ups like the cat race leaving before the cat was born in Waiting for God to actually now be left behind by his brother because he wasn’t cool enough. June 5, 2020 at 7:26 pm #258885 NoFroParticipant > “What DID Kryten mean when he said “it’s almost to the day?” Clearly he meant that everything between Fathers & Suns and Siliconia happened in one day. June 5, 2020 at 7:27 pm #258886 GlenTokyoParticipant If they did Jim and Bexley I wonder if they could deep fake Craig Charles face onto some actors, that’d be interesting, it’d be like Gemini Man but on a realistic budget. Maybe not doable for an entire episode, but for a scene or two. June 5, 2020 at 7:28 pm #258887 DaveParticipant I don’t really mind the odd continuity inconsistency, and I don’t know if I’d avoid an entire story idea for that reason. I was just wondering if there’s really any other major unanswered question for the show on the same scale as the cat race. June 5, 2020 at 7:29 pm #258888 pendo86Participant including Bexley dying in his mid-twenties… Of course that happened. How could I forget. Certainly adds a complication. ???? I also don’t know what the rights issues around the old episodes are. Didn’t they say there were a lot of hoops to jump through just for the few seconds of footage used in the campaign video in Mechocracy? Yes, there were quite a few issues. If I remember correctly, I think it cost them a small fortune to use just a few clips. June 5, 2020 at 8:31 pm #258889 International DebrisParticipant I wouldn’t want any messing about in past timelines, especially as back-referencing has been a regular complaint about the Dave era. Entirely new stories, that are worthwhile stories, that allow the option of returning to past plots that have been left open have potential, as The Promised Land showed. Series 2, 8 and Kochanski resolutions aside, there’s only one glaring story that needs a proper resolution: how did the crew get off the Encomium? A mini-series exploring that obvious gap in XII’s chronology is pretty essential, I think. June 5, 2020 at 8:34 pm #258890 Dax101Participant Perhaps we should find out what happened to the 2nd Polymorph in series 3. oh wait that was explained in the remastered version… June 5, 2020 at 9:38 pm #258891 clemParticipant On second thoughts never mind Kochanski, Jim and Bexley, or what happened after VIII. WHERE’S SNACKY!?? June 5, 2020 at 9:39 pm #258892 DaveParticipant No, save Snacky for his own spinoff series. June 5, 2020 at 9:45 pm #258893 clemParticipant Word. June 6, 2020 at 12:31 am #258894 Ben SaundersParticipant I had to google “Red Dwarf the Encomium”. Still only watched that episode once June 6, 2020 at 5:45 pm #258895 HamishParticipant Kill two birds with one stone. Show that Kochanski eloped with Snacky. June 7, 2020 at 12:56 pm #258896 Pete Part ThreeParticipant I’d just like some new ideas rather than revisiting olds ones, tbh. June 7, 2020 at 1:49 pm #258897 By Jove its holmesParticipant In the “repaired” timeline of Timelides, how does Young Rimmer react to Porky beating him to the Tension Sheet after overhearing Old Rimmer? June 7, 2020 at 5:48 pm #258902 RealBigOleDummyParticipant Seeing as how The Promised Land hasn’t been released yet for us yanks I haven’t seen the extras or the the episode yet for that matter. But reading the comments so far I can plainly see that I’m in a very small minority when I say …… NO! NO! NO! No more Kochanski! Please, she was and is nothing more than a sidebar to the main story imo. To ME at least she died with the crew… parallel universes/alternate timelines be damned. Let her memory rest in peace. While not a “loose end” I would much rather see the boys revisit “Better than Life”. Either just re-do the whole thing but at an hour (with much better graphics) and conform more closely to the novel OR let them find another mail pod with Better than Life 2 inside. “New and improved! Easier to get out of” etc etc. Hell I’d rather they went back and found Butler again and work a story around that. He’s a “loose end” in a way. How about Dave’s “wife” the GELF? Anything but more Kochanski…………………………………….. June 7, 2020 at 6:20 pm #258903 DaveParticipant Lister’s wife already came back once, I don’t think we need to bump her up to a series regular. And I don’t really fancy second cracks at the same idea, even something as potentially enticing as Better Than Life. It would be the same diminishing returns seen with the Polymorph. It really is hard to think of something as obvious an unexplored major loose end as the cats without it feeling like a rehash of something they’ve done already. (That’s if they’re still intent on not returning to Earth. Because if that’s up for grabs then they could definitely get a special out of that. Although I’m not sure they should.) June 7, 2020 at 10:42 pm #258904 StilianidesParticipant In an interview in 2017 Doug was asked about Ace Rimmer and said, “almost certainly we’ll bring him back”. But that he also knows that some fans will whinge about repeating old ideas. He also said that filming the unused Kochanski script from Series X is a possibility at some point… June 7, 2020 at 10:49 pm #258905 International DebrisParticipant I’d just like some new ideas rather than revisiting olds ones, tbh. Yeah, I mean M Corp and Skipper had a lot of brilliant stuff that felt totally new and yet classic Dwarf (alongside a bunch of fan service, to be fair), to the extent that I was feeling very positive about the future of the show. As good as The Promised Land was, I really would just like a self-contained series of six episodes, each with a totally new idea in it, like M Corp and Skipper mostly were. June 8, 2020 at 1:07 am #258906 clemParticipant > He also said that filming the unused Kochanski script from Series X is a possibility at some point… I didn’t know he’d talked about that so recently. This is a lot of speculation but there was an interview in Starburst shortly before X aired where he said the last two episodes were dropped because they required location filming, which they couldn’t afford. Kochanski was meant to be in at least one of those episodes, and I wondered why she wasn’t in XI or XII. There was a big enough budget for location shoots on those series, and you’d think Doug would use existing scripts if he possibly could, given he had 12 episodes to come up with in a relatively short time. He might have gone off the idea of bringing her back at the time, Chloe might have been unavailable or unwilling to return, or maybe there still wasn’t enough money to realise those episodes the way Doug wanted. OR maybe he was already thinking about doing specials in future and has been saving those scripts rather than making them as an end of series two-parter. June 8, 2020 at 12:19 pm #258908 StilianidesParticipant > I didn’t know he’d talked about that so recently. This is a lot of speculation but there was an interview in Starburst shortly before X aired where he said the last two episodes were dropped because they required location filming, which they couldn’t afford. Kochanski was meant to be in at least one of those episodes, and I wondered why she wasn’t in XI or XII. Well, I think the full quote from 2017 was along the lines of…it’s possible that we’ll make that Kochanski episode, but that character isn’t part of the show anymore. So possible rather than probable perhaps. June 8, 2020 at 3:03 pm #258911 Dax101Participant Well i get the impression Doug wasn’t confident that Dave would give them another series after 10. so he probably was thinking about what would be a good possible last episode. and i guess Kochanski was that idea originally. Obviously, though Doug has said he wants to keep final episodes open and not completely end the show. so the reset button probably would have been hit somehow. June 11, 2020 at 5:30 pm #259081 Plastic PercyParticipant Kochanski works better as an ideal, a goal for Lister. That she’s out there, somewhere, in the great mishmash of time, space, life and death. The hope that he’ll someday be reunited with his ex-planet and his ex-girlfriend keeps him going. I don’t think we really need an explanation for what happened at the end of VIII, it’s been effectively handwaved in the same manner that Lister’s pregnancy and the Future Selves attack were. Something happened, and they were able to save Red Dwarf. The way I see it, the crew got back in the nick of time with the cesiumfrancolithicmixialibidiumrixydixydoxydexydroxide and Ace Rimmer turned up to train Nano Rimmer as his replacement, returning to his rightful place aboard Red Dwarf. June 11, 2020 at 9:18 pm #259082 International DebrisParticipant As ever, I think Karnie’s Homecoming fanfic does a better job of tying up the VIII loose ends than Doug probably could. It’s canon for me. Doug doesn’t want to do a ‘final’ episode, in the sense of the Seinfeld one or such, but is happy for them to carry on journeying through space. At the same time, there will be a point where it’s likely it’ll be the last story – either the next production block or the one after – and I think that would be a good time to bring back Kochanski. Writing her back in as a positive addition to Lister’s life as we see them flying off into the distance one last time would be a nice way to end the show without it being written as a definite ‘ending’. June 11, 2020 at 9:47 pm #259083 Dax101Participant I don’t think Doug will bring back Kochanski until he is certain the show is ending. i don’t think he wants to bring her back and then write her out again. and he clearly feels the show works better without her. Author Posts Viewing 39 posts - 1 through 39 (of 39 total) Scroll to top • Scroll to Recent Forum Posts You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Log In Username: Password: Keep me signed in Log In