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  • #2699
    John Hoare
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    This thread continues this topic because OUR SYSTEM IS A BIG PILE OF SHIT AND RUNS OUT OF MEMORY. Have fun!

    #87649
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Davros, though.

    #87650
    Phil
    Participant
    #87660
    TheLeen
    Participant

    This is a nasa-piss-free thread. Thank you for your cooperation.

    On the subject of Journey’s End – thought a bit more about it on the train today and I came to the conclusion that something on a smaller scale (for example, Earth was transported somewhere else where it’s left to freeze… or the void… or just shrouded and sealed off from the rest of the galaxy) would have been a lot more frightening than “the multiverse is going to collapse any minute now”. AND the stars going out all at the same time would’ve made at least a little sense.

    #87669
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Germans always keep their technology in Castle Wolfenstein.

    I fucking KNEW it!

    #87675
    Somebody
    Participant

    Considering most of the stuff which came up in the latter part of Part II… read the sidebar (don’t bother with the main blog unless you REALLY want to) here: http://beasthouse-lm2.blogspot.com/

    #87676
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Uh-oh.

    #87677
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Oh, thanks. I was in a blissful state of having almost forgotten about the existence of that Thing. Now I’ll be reading it over Christmas and getting angry all over again.

    #87680
    Dave
    Participant

    “De-e-e-us ex ma-chi-na…”

    Has anyone read any Lawrence Miles’ fiction, I haven’t but I’m certain he’s guilty of all the things he hates in others.

    #87681
    Andrew
    Participant

    Oh Christ, that thing…

    “Patterson Joseph (4-1 favourite)…. There’s a reason that Joseph specialises in harsh, aggressive, alienating characters, and it’s simply that he has no capacity for making the audience like him.”

    No, it’s because he’s able to play those things while clearly making it about ‘the character’. I could watch an entire Marquis de Carabas spin-off series, frankly. And a prickly, arrogant Doctor – if braved – would suit Moffat’s writing down to the ground.

    “Robert Carlyse (14-1). Oh, God, yes. Please, yes.”

    Right, so Carlyle (as we spell it hear on Earth) is famous for being LIKEABLE is he?!

    #87687
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    “Still coming to terms with a world in which TV presenters can comfortably say things like: “Please welcome to the panel… Lauren Laverne, John Barrowman, and Lulu!””

    Yes. Because it’s not like John Barrowman was famous for anything before Doctor Who, is it? And certainly not for anything that might see him appeal to the same demographic as Lulu.

    “You’d think, wouldn’t you, that we’d get at least one close-up of the newly-regenerated arch-villain in order to establish his identity?? But, no. All we get are waist-up shots as he dashes around the TARDIS console”

    Erm, we get loads of close-ups. Including one THE MOMENT HE WAKES UP. Fucking cretin.

    #87688
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I could watch an entire Marquis de Carabas spin-off series, frankly.

    This.

    >And a prickly, arrogant Doctor – if braved – would suit Moffat?s writing down to the ground.

    This.

    #87689
    Somebody
    Participant

    Hey, I warned y’all to stick to the sidebar :p

    #87693
    ChrisM
    Participant

    ?Robert Carlyse (14-1). Oh, God, yes. Please, yes.?

    Right, so Carlyle (as we spell it hear on Earth) is famous for being LIKEABLE is he?!

    Looks like Robert Carlyle has other plans anyway: (Not that he was ever seriously in the run in.)

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7785467.stm

    Stargate- it’s not bad, but that’s one Sci-fi franchise I never got into.

    #87694
    Jo
    Participant

    Stargate = Awesome! I just hope that RDA makes a few guest appearances :oP

    #87721
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Meh do these bookmakers not read my threads?! We picked the new Who weeks ago.

    #87748
    Jo
    Participant

    (from the last thread)

    K9. I feel evil mentioning it. But I think in an epic, mature, desperation-based series finale, he has no place.

    NONONO! Evil Marleen!!!! I totally disagree.

    #87749
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Actually, yes, I must have missed that.

    I CHEERED when he appeared. CHEERED.

    #87750
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Well that in essence was the whole finale wasn’t it? Full of cheap pops, rather than a particularly involving story.

    #87751
    Andrew
    Participant

    Okay, here we go…

    > Rose. She didn?t act or sound any like I remember her. And: she hardly DID anything.

    Rewatching the series recently I feel much the same. As with Martha her time away from the Doctor has mostly led to her becoming a gun-toting alien-warrior (yawn), and her return turned out to be a ‘watch out’ warning. And not much else.

    Her effect on the Doctor should be the real meat of the thing, obviously, but in the end I’m never, ever going to feel right about the way that was concluded. Theirs was, to my mind, SO much more than a romantic relationship – so much more substantial and unclich?d than just a star-crossed-lovers riff. Making it so actually reduced it. (This may be meta-textual, since I often allowed myself a ‘gay man and female mate’ reading to their relationship. ‘Turning’ him feels slash-fan-ficcy)

    Also: The second Doctor is part Donna. We know that cos we got a string of great, funny stuff based on the idea. So at what point during sexual intercourse with Rose will Doctor B yell out “Blimey, this is a turn-up, innit?!”

    > K9. I feel evil mentioning it. But I think in an epic, mature, desperation-based series finale, he has no place.

    You are correct – this DOES, in fact, make you evil. :-)

    Having him tagging along behind the others would have been kinda wrong, but as the final component of ‘the gang’s all here’, he’s perfect. I bloody love him firing his laser at Krillitane, and this gave me a similar glow – this is a universe where robot dogs get to save the day. Or just pop up and help out. Yes.

    > The idea of a 27-planets-doomsday machine. (Granted – it LOOKED pretty. But I didn?t like the idea.)

    For some reason I’m very taken with the notion of orbits functioning like cogs in a massive machine.

    > The ?cliffhanger? at the end of The Stolen Earth. No, actually, that?s not true. It was a good cliffhanger. But the way it was shrugged off at the beginning of Journey?s End, in this ?no big deal, let?s move on? way, I didn?t like. Cheating?

    It was only briefly shrugged off, though – it turned out to be the solution to the whole damn thing. The cause of a second Doctor, of the Doctordonna, and thus the defeat of the Daleks.

    > How the TARDIS pulled Earth back.

    Probably fair. But the score, and the sense of triumph…they carried me right along with them. (See below – it’s the whole shebang on a nutshell.)

    > The Doctor II exiled for genocide? Riiiight? look who?s talking? anyway: very unconvincing reason for dropping him off in a parallel world.

    He’s not exiled, it’s not a punishment to be left to a future shagging the arse off Billie Piper. (Or if it is…etc.) While I loathe many things about this conclusion it plays fair by pretty much everyone on-screen. He’ll be nurtured by Rose and become wonderful. Again. In his own universe. (Though thank fuck they cut the bit where the Doctor gives his double a bit of TARDIS coral to grow his own machine and start travelling. Ugh!)

    > Should Osterhagen mean anything to me? Or was it made up for the episode?

    Totally new. Just another example of RTD’s odd gift for naming things. (CF all the fuss fans made over what ‘Astrid’ – and anagram of TARDIS – could mean, before learning that it was just a nice name he picked when deciding he didn’t like his first choice.)

    I think here’s a thread around here somewhere from the time of broadcast where I was stumbling over myself trying to find a useful anagram…

    > Davros
    > ALL of the bloody spin-offs. Mr Smith?

    I did wonder how much back-knowledge would have helped with this stuff. As a viewer of Torchwood who has yet to get into the Sarah Jane Adventures, it all played out fine for me – in that it’s easy enough to keep up. But the reappearance of Davros, well, that – like the discovery of the Dalek in, um, Dalek – maybe only completely worked as viscerally as it’s meant to if it’s already in your cultural history.

    > The Doctor Donna thing – I just want to say that I didn?t mind it. Didn?t especially love it, but it worked for me.

    I loved the Doctordonna. And I can’t think of three actresses who could have done it as well. It was well-received here, if I recall correctly.

    > I wasn?t scared, I didn?t cry, it didn?t touch me. Why?

    But…but Donna! Oh God, poor Donna! Come ON! :-(

    It’s interesting how much of your reading hinges on a perceived attempt to be ‘scarier’, because that’s not how I take the RTD finales at all. I see them trying to top themselves in terms of scale, sure, and to outdo the invention that’s gone before – sometimes succeeding, sometimes failing – but I’m not sure I equate that to trying to be especially scarier. More at stake, I suppose, but that always feels slightly tangental to what really matters. Destroy the world, destroy the universe, it feels about the same to me. So long as it’s funny, clever, touching, surprising, exciting…I’ll leave the terror to the mid-series ‘scary ones’. In the meantime, ‘How do you get out of this one?’ is my favourite question.

    And nope, I’m never going to see how this kills off or discredits the Bad Wolf stuff from series one. I really can’t see that at all.

    But in the end, if you didn’t feel it, you didn’t feel it. Me, I’ll take the climax over series three every time. It’s just SO much fun.

    > I wish they?d given the TARDIS more to do. I know *someone* shut the door.

    Dalek Caan, in fact, shut the door.

    I think a lot of us felt the same thing about this story – that all the bits are kinda silly. The double doctor, the regeneration cliffhanger, the repeated return of the Daleks, the gathering of every damn companion available. As a list, it sounds worrying. But the pace, the cheek, the sheer joy of the whole thing kinda swept us up regardless. It felt, arguably, better than it actually was. But our breath was, at the time, totally taken away.

    So it’s hard to argue that you’re wrong on any point…but it’s kinda sad to think that you missed out on the huge, jump-out-of-your-chair thrills. There’s no way to make those happen, but we were pretty swept up, I think.

    #87758
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    All the ingredients are wrong…

    #87759
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    And :

    > I wasn?t scared, I didn?t cry, it didn?t touch me. Why?

    I didn’t really cry over Donna. But I blubbed my eyes out during the final scene with Wilf.

    #98413
    TheLeen
    Participant

    … so!

    Thanks to Tanya & John being so awesome to send me DVDs, I have just watched:

    The Daleks

    It’s difficult to even think of anything to write about it, because it was, you know, so very different from new Who; it was totally what I expected it to be like, and at the same time, not. So I won’t do the whole “I like/I don’t like” things – because the things I’d usually labelled “don’t like” amused me, and the other way round… or something.

    All the characters are… weird. They switch between being totally amiable and total jerks. By the minute. Like, Ian and Barbara are such bores. Especially Ian. No wait, especially Barbara. But then I started to like Ian a bit. But then not. Argh!

    From an “in-story” point of view, this was excellent. But it was a little difficult for me to keep the “in-story” perspective because things kept drawing my attention away. Things like the actors breaking off chunks of styrofoam rock in the cave and no one bothering. Or the actors casting shadows on the back wall of a hallway that was supposed to look infinetly long (and would have…) or Vincent saying “Ian, I want to go home” in his Barbara voice, or the Thals looking and talking like they came straight out of Flash Gordon. Or miniatures that looked like miniatures instead of a city. None of these are things I dislike, in fact I had a lot of with them, and not just for a cheap laugh, but they did distract me from the story a bit. But: the whole “oh, they don’t know the Daleks, oh, could the Doctor have made a difference back then, oh, if they knew what’s yet to come” gave us an additional thrill.

    Awesome details: the Daleks. The Daleks being dalekky. The Daleks doing the nazi salute. The Doctor lying to the adults in order to get his chance to look at the city. The Daleks handing each other stuff with their acetabula.

    Sadly, I couldn’t relate to the main characters much. The Doctor was good but remained distant. Susan didn’t do much for me, and her switching back and forth between being a whiny little girl and a carefree powergirl confused me. Barbara and Ian, well. I COULD relate to both the Thals and Daleks.

    The episode(s) left Vincent and me discussing what happened with the Daleks. Did the Thal forget one or the other Dalek in the cellar? Did the Thal evolve into Daleks themselves? I suppose we’ll find out sooner or later…

    So, does anyone think they can explain to me why the miniatures looked mini?

    #98414
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Because it was made in 1963?

    #98416
    TheLeen
    Participant

    And miniatures were smaller then? :p

    I mean, really. There has to be a technical reason why sometimes they look small and sometimes they look far away. … to do with the technical equipment or something. Is it the lense you use, is it the lighting, etc., and how does it work?

    #98418
    Dave
    Participant

    I blame Vincent.

    #98419
    JamesTC
    Participant

    They had a week to do 1 episode so really small was the best they could do. I mean they make 48 episodes a year from 1963-1969.
    The thing I look for in a Who story is a bloody good script and you can’t say that ‘The Daleks’ failed in that area (though I think it would have benefited being a 6 part story instead). I do on the other hand think ‘Genesis of the Daleks’ works much better as an opening story for the Daleks.

    #98423
    Dave
    Participant

    >The thing I look for in a Who story is a bloody good script

    As long as its not ‘about something’

    #98426
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I do on the other hand think ?Genesis of the Daleks? works much better as an opening story for the Daleks.

    Yeah, but then the first time you see the Dalek, the impact is lessened if you don’t know what it is and what it represents…

    #98431
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >>The thing I look for in a Who story is a bloody good script
    >As long as its not ?about something?

    Well, yes.

    ‘The Two Doctors’ is a fantastic story but I couldn’t give a shite about being a vegetarian.

    #98489
    TheLeen
    Participant

    The Talons of Weng-Chiang

    Another Who story we’ve been able to watch, again thanks to Tanya and John ♥

    That was quite good. I liked the big rats and the laser dragon and the time cabinet and the phantom of the opera chinese God and when the Doctor spoke of the 51st century (yay!) and some interesting and likable side-characters (the professor and Jago).

    Odd though that they put so much make-up on a Caucasian to make him look like a Chinese man who can’t blink, instead of giving the part to a Chinese actor :x

    The first parts were okay, but I thought it got better towards the end. Also, I didn’t like the Doctor at first, but liked him a little better in the end. But the way he talks to and about Leela made me cringe.

    Vincent preferred this story over The Daleks, I think I liked The Daleks better, and also I definitely liked the first Doctor better (so far).

    I also watched the documentary from the bonus disc and that was a real revelation, and kind of scary at the same time. Wow, the seventies seem a long time ago.

    #98493
    Dave
    Participant

    >Odd though that they put so much make-up on a Caucasian to make him look like a Chinese man who can?t blink, instead of giving the part to a Chinese actor :x

    I think, and I could be wrong, but pretty much the only working Chinese actor in London in 1976 was the then very busy and expensive Burt Kwouk.

    I think John Bennett does a very good job, but it is very difficult to ignore “his epicanthic eyebrows”

    #98496
    TheLeen
    Participant

    I agree that he was very good.

    It was just odd to see the Chinese main role reprised by him while all the henchmen were proper Asians.

    Oh, and “epicanthic”: wow there were a LOT of words and expressions in these episodes that I’d never heard or read before. Like… corks! Haha! Formidable. I want to watch them all over again and take notes. But I don’t have the time. Right now, anyway.

    #98497
    Dave
    Participant

    >It was just odd to see the Chinese main role reprised by him while all the henchmen were proper Asians.

    Agreed, but none of them are more than extras really, are they? Oriental Rental?

    #98498
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Some of them had lines :P

    #98546
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    I don’t know what it was like in Germany, but non-white actors didn’t really get starring parts that much in British TV until the 1980s. If it makes you feel better, the first director of Who was Waris Hussain ;)

    Also, the make-up in Chiang was probably inspired by Victorian music hall, where there would have been many such, erm, unsubtle make-up jobs. Perhaps a British upbringing, where you get taken to pantomime, a modern version of music-hall, helps with old Who. But, y’know, it’s the past, and they do things differently there…

    #98555
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I stated reading my first Who book the other day, fucking weird, it was ‘The Eight Doctors’ and it starts with the Doctor saving a girl from a drug dealer and then being arrested because the police believe he was the dealer. Drugs and Who don’t really connect in my brain, I was releived when I got to Romans,Sea Devils and Vampires, back to normal.

    #98558
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    The Eight Doctors is supposed to be really shit anyway, isn’t it? If you want any recommendations then, despite being a tit, Mad Larry Miles spins a good yarn.

    #98563
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I am quite enjoying it actually, the Doctor going back in time meeting his previous incarnations and getting them pissed off. Plus it expands on the end of ‘The Sea Devils’ and ‘State of Decay’. It is really fun while reading it to try and work out which story he is in next, took me ages to realise he was in ‘The War Games’, couldn’t think of a Troughton story with Romans. I am only about half way through but it is enjoyable.
    I think I will read ‘Lungbarrow’ next because it is meant to have a load of stuff about Time Lords and “The Other”.

    #98565
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I rented out a couple of old Who DVDs this week. I’m on ‘The Web Planet’ with William Hartnell at the moment. I haven’t seen much of the first Doctor’s stuff, or much of any before new Who for that matter, so I thought I’d give it a chance.

    After that I’ve got ‘The Robots of Death’ with Tom Baker (him being a classic Doctor and City of Death was good.) The robot designs on the cover remind me of those angel things on the Titanic episode. I can actually see a bloke’s eye through the eye-hole though. Heh.

    I won’t spoil anything, it being the ‘Marleen’s no spoilers’ thread, except to say that from what I’ve seen of The Web Planet, problems of New Who were there from the start. It’s not all bad though*. The story is ok so far.

    *Not that I dislike new Who either. At least they don’t have that overblown hero worship of the Doctor in these old episode though.

    #98566
    JamesTC
    Participant

    ‘The Web Planet’ is an odd one for me, I could not watch it from start to finish like I can with most stories, it is too boring in one big run but at 2 episodes a week it is a wonderful story, for some reason spreading it out and letting it sink in helps the story.

    #98567
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Ok. The first episode bored me rather a lot, (these are very slow paced compared to the new stuff) but it picked up a bit.

    I made the mistake of getting two Who DVDs from the library, but they only give us three days to watch them. I’m about half way through The Web Planet, so it’ll be a little marathon now…

    #98568
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I’d rather have a slow pace than a fast pace to be fair, sometimes the new series stuff is gone as fast as it came. Same with 2-parters in the classic series, I want more!
    I find the 2-parters of the new series or the 4-parters of the classic to be the optimum length, I mean most of my favourite stories are 4-parters, ‘The Tomb of the Cybermen’, ‘Jubilee’, ‘The Empty Child’/’The Doctor Dances’ and ‘Medicinal Purposes’

    #98569
    Dave
    Participant

    >Drugs and Who don?t really connect in my brain

    Nightmare Of Eden

    >The Eight Doctors is supposed to be really shit anyway, isn?t it?

    It’s appalling.

    #98578
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Not seen ‘Nightmare of Eden’, its meant to be bad anyway.

    #98580
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Drugs and Who don?t really connect in my brain

    I once fell asleep while watching Caves of Androzani stoned, and dreamt that Peter Davison was fighting monsters in my living room.

    #98591
    Dave
    Participant

    >Drugs and Who don?t really connect in my brain

    Oh and The Talons Of Weng-Chiang, of course

    >Not seen ?Nightmare of Eden?, its meant to be bad anyway.

    It shits on The Eight Doctors from a colossal height.

    #98602
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I will end up watching ‘Nightmare on Eden’, I think it is part of a 3 pack DVD for release at the start of 2010 so I will watch it then.

    #98604
    JamesTC
    Participant

    The episode ‘Gridlock’ was chock full of drugs, I guess drugs and Who do connect in my brain, well they do now.

    #98636
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I watched Robots of Death last night/this morning (my sleep cycle is all topsy turvey at the moment. )

    Pretty good overall. Great Who-done-it.

    And Leela’s outfit was interesting.

    #98644
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I stated reading my first Who book the other day, fucking weird, it was ?The Eight Doctors? and it starts with the Doctor saving a girl from a drug dealer and then being arrested because the police believe he was the dealer. Drugs and Who don?t really connect in my brain, I was releived when I got to Romans,Sea Devils and Vampires, back to normal.

    Hahahaha. Terrance Dicks is a lovely, lovely man (and I can’t say too much bad about him because we rep him), but… yeah, that’s not so good. I remember being SO excited about it when it came out just after the TV movie, as well. But it’s… yeah. It contains a massive internal logic flaw of its own making, too, when the second to fifth Doctors all remember having met Eight before, but then six and seven inexplicably don’t…

    Also, Terrance Dicks attempting to write present-day (well, 1996) “street” teenagers = BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD IDEA.

    #98653
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >And Leela?s outfit was interesting.

    Leela’s outfit is always interesting.

    #98659
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Terrance Dicks is a cracking fella. Always fun to listen to his commentaries and watch him natter on the classic Who DVD documentaries.

    He is, however, an utterly atrocious writer.

    #98665
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    MmmmmI think that’s a bit unfair – Brain of Morbius? The bajillions of Target novelisations he did? He’s a bit of an outdated writer, and he’s written some dreck, but I wouldn’t call him “utterly atrocious”.

    #98669
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I wouldn’t say ‘The Brain of Morbius’ was Terrance, he himself denied the creditg of the story after Robert Holmes’ re-write.
    He has written ‘The Five Doctors’ and ‘State of Decay’ which were both quite good and he was co=writer on the story that is nothing short of amazing, ‘The War Games’.

    #98676
    JamesTC
    Participant

    How much bollocks can one tabloid newspaper come up with? Being the Sun you can see loads. Before you say this is not spoilers for Series 5 because it is complete shite – http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article2417822.ece
    “Who boss Russell T Davies said there would be an ?Indiana Jones-type chamber hidden beneath the floor with sliding stone doors and stuff?.”
    If they are going to make shit up they could atleast make it accurate.

    #98681
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The Target novelizations are cracking by virtue of the fact that Dicks didn’t have to write them. He just had to adapt them, and even then he changed plot elements of certain stories here and there.

    Read his New Who stuff – the “Quick Reads”. They’re bollocks. “The Eight Doctors” is also unashamedly shit. And while, yes, “The Five Doctors” is a lot of fun it certainly isn’t that great of a story.

    Dicks can adapt, but he can’t write to save his life.

    #98684
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    How much bollocks can one tabloid newspaper come up with? Being the Sun you can see loads. Before you say this is not spoilers for Series 5 because it is complete shite – http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/showbiz/tv/article2417822.ece
    ?Who boss Russell T Davies said there would be an ?Indiana Jones-type chamber hidden beneath the floor with sliding stone doors and stuff?.?
    If they are going to make shit up they could atleast make it accurate.

    HAHAHAHAHAHA. So they’ve got comments from a writer who WON’T BE INVOLVED WITH THE SHOW when Matt Smith is the Doctor. Superlolz. Also, wasn’t Gatiss’ WW2 story something originally planned, but ditched, for series four? I’m pretty sure that was in the Writers Tale, right?

    #98705
    Dave
    Participant

    >Also, wasn?t Gatiss? WW2 story something originally planned, but ditched, for series four? I?m pretty sure that was in the Writers Tale, right?

    Yep.

    Although that could also mean it was the first script Moffatt read when he took over, and maybe he loved it.

    #98773
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Yay, ‘The Deadly Assassin’ for a lovely ?12.71. Up to part 3 now, I think Co-Ordinator Engin deserves a spin-off.

    #98970
    Dave
    Participant

    Since 2005 the new Doctor Who has done wonders to convince the public that fans are not all twats.

    Until now:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ICW9Phb9k1M

    #98971
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Mara doesn’t look so bad now eh?

    #98972
    JamesTC
    Participant

    The first woman looks like a pink version of the cat people out of ‘Survival’.

    #98973
    Dave
    Participant

    The first woman makes the cat people out of ?Survival? look like fucking Shaft.

    #98978
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Ha, ha! I missed that at the time. Barrowman falls off his chair laughing and clutches a booby to stop his descent. Classic.

    #99023
    JamesTC
    Participant
    #99027
    Dave
    Participant

    >The bonus features of ?The War Games? DVD, by god that will be a fantastic release

    Great. I love Patrick Froughton.

    #99029
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Oh my, they got his name wrong again.

    #99030
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Oh my, they got his name wrong again.

    #99031
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Not again!

    #99033
    JamesTC
    Participant

    They got it wrong a few weeks back when the first ‘The War Games’ set was put up there.

    #99083
    si
    Participant

    There’s a short interview on the Beeb’s front page with Russell the T. He says that they finish filming tomorrow, but more importantly, for all you people with a similar inclination to my little sister, David Tennant FINISHED YESTERDAY.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/arts

    #99085
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I wonder if Matt Smith will just film a pick up scene when he starts or if he filmed at the same time as Tennant for the regeneration.

    #99092
    Andrew
    Participant

    > I wonder if Matt Smith will just film a pick up scene when he starts or if he filmed at the same time as Tennant for the regeneration.

    Seems massively unlikely they wouldn’t be there together. The sheer practicalities of shooting a regeneration would make a pick-up a massive undertaking – same set has to be in place, lit and decorated in exactly the same way, matching the camera angles…

    It’s a waste of effort when you could just yell ‘Okay freeze…and David step out…Matt step in…and action!”

    #99093
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Maybe they will dress Matt like Tennant, we won’t see his face, the Rani will then fire at the TARDIS and it will crash and the Doctor will get a bump on the noggin to regenerate.

    #99095
    Dave
    Participant

    >Seems massively unlikely they wouldn?t be there together. The sheer practicalities of shooting a regeneration would make a pick-up a massive undertaking – same set has to be in place, lit and decorated in exactly the same way, matching the camera angles?

    That is precisely what they did for Christopher Eccleston’s exit/David Tennant’s debut.

    #99096
    Andrew
    Participant

    Yeah, but at that point they were hoping to keep the regeneration secret – which is hardly the case this time.

    #99259
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I think I’m in love.

    #99260
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Wait what? Is that the new companion? When the fuck was this announced?

    #99261
    Rad
    Participant

    Yeah, full marks for this first impression.

    Not sure how the BBC thinks Lizo from Newsround is an ‘insider’. He hasn’t learned how to speak to adults yet.

    #99262
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Ahh a breath of fresh air, a series companion who isn’t from London.
    And she is someone joining a list of people to play a small part in Doctor Who and then go on to play a big part – Nicholas Courtney, Colin Baker, Lisa Bowerman, Freema Agyeman ect.

    #99264
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Is it just me, or does the TARDIS look a bit different? It looks a bit more battered, and… has Moffat gone and bloody fixed the windows?

    #99267
    ChrisM
    Participant

    A bit of info here:
    http://www.gallifreyone.com/news.php#newsitemEkuFVAAApEyQIHNbKI

    Apparently she was the soothsayer in ‘The Fires of Pompeii’.

    #99268
    JamesTC
    Participant

    > Apparently she was the soothsayer in ?The Fires of Pompeii?.

    Which is why I said –
    “And she is someone joining a list of people to play a small part in Doctor Who and then go on to play a big part – Nicholas Courtney, Colin Baker, Lisa Bowerman, Freema Agyeman ect.”

    I can add David Tennant to that list.

    #99269
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    What do you want; a biscuit?

    #99270
    ChrisM
    Participant

    >Which is why I said –

    I guessed that. I added more info though as to WHAT she did.

    #99271
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >What do you want; a biscuit?

    Depends on what you got.

    #99277
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >What do you want?

    Karen Gillan in my house right now please.

    #99279
    JamesTC
    Participant

    She should be Jamie McCrimmon’s great great great great great great great great grand-daughter.

    #99278
    pfm
    Participant

    > I think I?m in love.

    THIS. She’s 5’11” though so I’d have to stand on my bloody tiptoes to kiss her beautiful ginger face!

    Firstly let’s actually say her name – KAREN GILLAN. She’s 21 and not been in much except the fucking Kevin Bishop Show, though from a couple of clips I’ve now seen of her in that she’s just brilliant, gorgeous, talented, she can be funny, do decent serious acting, do voices, SHE’S FUCKING SCOTTISH MOFFAT THERE WITH THE AGENDA FROM THE OFF, more importantly she’s NOT Southern. They better not make her speak like she’s from the South East either or I will make them pay. Scottish accent all the way.

    I know that’s NOT the character’s look in the promo pics but I would so love her to have that style. She looks so cool, sweet and sexy standing in front of the Tardis. I pray they don’t chav her up to ‘relate’ to the masses. She may not be from 2010 Britain though (unlikely). She would probably look just as great in Georgian attire as contemporary. OK OK the bottom line is her acting ability. And her gorgeousness. Nice one Moffat.

    Btw who has her as their background? Thank god the Tardis is in shot (and yes looking like it needs a lick of Cuprinol Garden Shades Barleywood or something) because that gives me the excuse ‘It’s Doctor Who! The new companion!!’ otherwise I would probably be dead now.

    #99280
    pfm
    Participant

    > She should be Jamie McCrimmon?s great great great great great great great great grand-daughter.

    Hannah McCrimmon could be a good name. Maybe. Or they could just call her Jamie.

    #99282
    Dave
    Participant

    >She should be Jamie McCrimmon?s great great great great great great great great grand-daughter

    Well to be fair she could just as easily be Jamie McCrimmon?s great great great great great great great great grandmother

    #99284
    pfm
    Participant

    Is her name Holly?

    #99285
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    “Is her name Holly?”

    #99290
    si
    Participant

    >Is her name Holly?

    >”Is her name Holly?”

    *applauds*

    #99310
    JamesTC
    Participant
    #99327
    si
    Participant

    If she’d got green hair and red eyes, I might like her even more.

    #99336
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Ah, I’ve seen those pics. before. She looks incredibly childlike in the first picture. Pretty girl though.

    #99339
    pfm
    Participant

    > If she?d got green hair and red eyes, I might like her even more.

    That’s the stupid way round.

    #104253
    Dave
    Participant

    Anyone else miss the good old days when Marleen was still working her way through Who?

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