Mundane observation dome

[clem]

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

    

[Dave]

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

     

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

[Dave]

No real point to this mundane observation other than that Kryten looks really fucking scary in this image.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Because he is calmly explaining how he will insert a pencil in your bottom

[Dave]

[Formica]

“Yellow Corridor 541” seemed so out of place, so I went and had a look.

It struck me as maybe more red, although that was probably just wishful thinking, hoping there was a pattern. But no, it’s not that, after all:

So if it’s not red, does that make it yellow? No, that doesn’t seem quite right either. It quite clearly isn’t the same color we se on Yellow Corridor 348:

That’s right, I believe we have Orange Corridor 541.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Na that is the same yellow just in a different lighting 

[Formica]

Na that is the same yellow just in a different lighting

I need good proof if I’m to believe this. At first I thought it was maybe that, but the impression the lighting there gives me is that everything’s showing up darker in the ‘yellow’ shot than in the ‘orange’ shot. Not to mention that the overall tone of the image hasn’t changed enough to redden it that much, far as I can tell.

I really know my technical terms in this field, for those who haven’t noticed.

[Dave]

I need good proof if I’m to believe this. At first I thought it was maybe that, but the impression the lighting there gives me is that everything’s showing up darker in the ‘yellow’ shot than in the ‘orange’ shot. Not to mention that the overall tone of the image hasn’t changed enough to redden it that much, far as I can tell.

I really know my technical terms in this field, for those who haven’t noticed.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

The yellow corridor, has more lighting from behind, lighting up the set itself more

the orange one is lit more from the fro t as that’s where our protagonists are. So the actors are lit but the set behind them isn’t. 

[GlenTokyo]

The yellow corridor, has more lighting from behind, lighting up the set itself more
the orange one is lit more from the fro t as that’s where our protagonists are. So the actors are lit but the set behind them isn’t. 

I think it’s that the light in the obviously yellow one, is tinted more green/blue, you can see it on the wall around Level Nivelo, which has a light khaki colouring from the green tint.

When you add a small amount of blue hue to the up for debate one, it becomes obviously yellow.

I wouldn’t put money on it definitely having been yellow, but I think it was probably yellow and lighting gels/ general amount of lighting and contrast are the cause for it being up for debate.

[Formica]

Wild and wonderful.

[Unrumble]

I wouldn’t put money on it definitely having been yellow, but I think it was probably yellow

[clem]

I’ve been using the DVDs for our rewatch and watched some of the Series III extras. The deleted scenes include some Holly gags intended for Series 1 and 2 style episode intros, including this one: “We’ve been drifting helplessly in deep space for three million and three years. We are rapidly reaching the inescapable conclusion – that AA man’s never gonna turn up.” Thirty years before Stellar Rescue. 

[Formica]

Thirty years isn’t too bad when you’re that far out.

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

Probably closer to twenty-seven, though that’s a bit of a guess on my part.

[Warbodog]

With all the contemporary pop culture references through the first three series (especially), a first-time viewer could assume Lister is a displaced 20th-century guy – an Arthur Dent, Philip Fry or John Crichton – until proven otherwise, which might not happen depending on the episode.

This thought occurred when watching The Last Day (Brigitte Nielsen and debatable Wacko Jacko, though I don’t think that’s really a reference), but the Petersen references still give Lister some background in the setting.

[GlenTokyo]

With all the contemporary pop culture references through the first three series (especially), a first-time viewer could assume Lister is a displaced 20th-century guy – an Arthur Dent, Philip Fry or John Crichton – until proven otherwise, which might not happen depending on the episode.
This thought occurred when watching The Last Day (Brigitte Nielsen and debatable Wacko Jacko, though I don’t think that’s really a reference), but the Petersen references still give Lister some background in the setting.

That’s interesting because I think in a lot of ways they were sort of bang on. If you look at our culture today, there are obviously a lot of changes but there’s so much that’s sort of stagnated. Technology is better but it’s all the same form factor doing the same things but a bit better, no huge leaps. An old iPhone just looks like a smaller new smartphone. My old phones from 10 years ago don’t look old, but if I looked at a 2002 phone in 2012 it’d look ridiculous.

Pop music feels broadly similar too, maybe a bit more depressing with Ed Sheeran and Adele, but there’s not been a huge rock and roll to disco to synths to grunge change, and the radio is full of bands that have been around for at least a decade if not two or three, releasing new stuff.

And all the old actors from the 80s and 90s are still pulling the big crowds.

In the world of Red Dwarf with holograms this would be extended even further,  Indiana Jones 12 with softlight Harrison Ford etc.

[Warbodog]

In the world of Red Dwarf with holograms this would be extended even further,  Indiana Jones 12 with softlight Harrison Ford etc.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

That suggests they’re knocking out a new Friday the 13th every week doesn’t it. 

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

You mean they aren’t?

[Flap Jack]

Thank you to the renowned ‘On This Day in Red Dwarf’ Twitter account for pointing out that Parallel Universe and Fathers & Suns were both first broadcast on 11th October.

https://twitter.com/jackchristmas1/status/1579823674437570560

[International Debris]

That would mean Trojan and Queeg were on the same day too, right?

[Ian Symes]

Yep. There’s a few days that are the anniversaries of two episodes, but nothing beats 7th March – Waiting For God, White Hole and Nanarchy. Honourable mention to 14th February, the original air date of Camille, Blue and Red Dwarf Night.

[Flap Jack]

Ah ha. 7th March – From Cat God to Pool God.

… also Nanarchy is there.

[International Debris]

Ha, I had no idea Red Dwarf Night was on Valentine’s Day. I wonder if that caused any arguments. “Sorry love, I can’t take you out for that meal, I’ve got to watch Garry Bushell talking about Red Dwarf.”

[Flap Jack]

Just as an aside, thinking about broadcast dates prompted me to peruse the Wikipedia “List of Red Dwarf episodes” article for a bit, and I spotted this from the end of the summary:

As of 9 April 2020, 74 episodes of Red Dwarf have aired, including one special, concluding the twelfth series.

I’m sorry? The Promised Land concluded Series XII???

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Yep. There’s a few days that are the anniversaries of two episodes, but nothing beats 7th March – Waiting For God, White Hole and Nanarchy. Honourable mention to 14th February, the original air date of Camille, Blue and Red Dwarf Night.

You could then technically count the broadcast premier of The End Remastered.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Just as an aside, thinking about broadcast dates prompted me to peruse the Wikipedia “List of Red Dwarf episodes” article for a bit, and I spotted this from the end of the summary:

As of 9 April 2020, 74 episodes of Red Dwarf have aired, including one special, concluding the twelfth series.

I’m sorry? The Promised Land concluded Series XII???

Yeah thats nonsense.  The Promised Land is obviously series XIII.

[Ian Symes]

You could then technically count the broadcast premier of The End Remastered.

That was the night before!

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

You could then technically count the broadcast premier of The End Remastered.
That was the night before!

The fuck it was ….

… oh fuck, it was.

I must have had it all in the same tape and assumed it was from the same night.

[Ian Symes]

That’s what I did, the ideal way to fill an E-180.

[Dave]

Given that hologram Rimmer has now been “alive” for much longer than the original Rimmer was, with plenty of character development along the way, is there an argument that he actually now has much more of a claim to being the definitive Rimmer than his dead counterpart?

Or to put it another way, if there was suddenly a way of bringing the original living Rimmer back, would you actually stand to lose a lot more by switching off the hologram than you did when he died in the first place?

[Warbodog]

At this point, they’d have to come across an alternative living Rimmer whose mind had just been removed/destroyed (Cat: “How can you tell?”) so Rimmer would be free to possess it via mindswap and could live happily ever after for a few minutes until he immediately died again lol!

[Ian Symes]

Given that hologram Rimmer has now been “alive” for much longer than the original Rimmer was, with plenty of character development along the way, is there an argument that he actually now has much more of a claim to being the definitive Rimmer than his dead counterpart?

Or to put it another way, if there was suddenly a way of bringing the original living Rimmer back, would you actually stand to lose a lot more by switching off the hologram than you did when he died in the first place?

We already know what happens when hologram Rimmer departs and is replaced by a living Rimmer with none of the character development, and it’s shite.

[International Debris]

Let’s be fair, even if it was hologram Rimmer in VIII he’d be just as shite.

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

Let’s be fair, even if it was hologram Rimmer in VIII he’d be just as shite.

[Rudolph]

Let’s be fair, even if it was hologram Rimmer in VIII he’d be just as shite.

Doesn’t Doug mention in the VIII scriptbook that there were rumours (somehow) of Rimmer being killed off in VIII and being replaced as a hologram (again), and that was the impetus behind Cassandra?

[Future Producer of Series IX – aaaaany day now]

Doesn’t Doug mention in the VIII scriptbook that there were rumours (somehow) of Rimmer being killed off in VIII and being replaced as a hologram (again), and that was the impetus behind Cassandra?

That’s asinine, even by VIII’s standards. Why on Io would the Red Dwarf crew want to use their memory-intensive hologrammatic reconstruction software to bring back the second lowest crewmember on the ship who was at the time serving a two year statutory sentence in the ship’s brig that officially doesn’t exist, just to have him continue the remainder of his sentence? Surely, surely there must be a more valuable, higher ranking, competent crewmember they’d want to bring back first?

In fact, I’m pretty sure Rimmer’s hologram disk is stamped with the words “UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES”, in big red letters, all caps.

[cwickham]

Just checked the VIII book – Doug believed that the audience would assume that was what would happen

[Rudolph]

Just checked the VIII book – Doug believed that the audience would assume that was what would happen

Cheers, I thought it was something like that. That book is a goldmine of bollocks.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Just checked the VIII book – Doug believed that the audience would assume that was what would happen

Cheers, I thought it was something like that. That book is a goldmine of bollocks.

just like series viii then 

[Warbodog]

Just checked the VIII book – Doug believed that the audience would assume that was what would happen

It added real suspense to the episode for me on first watch. It was a disappointment that he made it out alive, really.

By the time of the series cliffhanger, I couldn’t give a shit either way.

[Ian Symes]

I remember assuming that the whole prison thing would be wrapped up by the end of Back In The Red, and they’d go back to the III-V status quo (but with Norm’s Holly and an additional Kochanski). It never occurred to me the purpose of BITR was to set up a new status quo, because even as an over-excited twelve year old, that seemed like a fucking stupid idea.

Just imagine if G&T was a thing back then. Tens of thousands of furious comments.

[Dave]

Just imagine if G&T was a thing back then.

Let’s Talk About: Back In The Red

– Well, at least we know there will never, ever be a shitter episode of Red Dwarf than this one

– Idea for an episode: Blue Midget learns to dance

– I nominate this episode for Hall Of Shame status

– Why didn’t they combine three episodes into one, though?

[International Debris]

I remember assuming that the whole prison thing would be wrapped up by the end of Back In The Red, and they’d go back to the III-V status quo (but with Norm’s Holly and an additional Kochanski). It never occurred to me the purpose of BITR was to set up a new status quo, because even as an over-excited twelve year old, that seemed like a fucking stupid idea.

Oh God me too. When they left on Blue Midget I thought ‘wow, this will be like VI but in even more desperate circumstances’. The AI reveal was the first hint that, no, this might actually be the show now.

[Flap Jack]

They spent 3 episodes establishing their new “fuck it, this is a prison comedy now” status quo, and then in the very next episode had to hurriedly set up the concept of the Canaries, just so they could continue doing stories in the old “the gang explore an abandoned spaceship” format… and then they only went on 1 mission all together as Canaries.

Have I ever mentioned that Series VIII is kind of bad.

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