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  • #106198
    JamesTC
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    ‘The Three Ranis’

    #106202
    Tarka Dal
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    Five Rani and It.

    #106204
    Petetranterssister
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    Okie Doke Ben thanks for the comments but i’ll still stick to what i’ve said about the weak episodes, i understand everyone has their own favourites and ones they dont like, boomtown and midnight are mine.

    and i dont like the old dr whos only the new ones from christopher eccleston onwards so i have no knowledge of what the others are like but now i know:)

    #106205
    Dave
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    Rani The Champion Of The World

    #106208
    Jonsmad
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    The Knights who say raNi!

    #106210
    Somebody
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    It?s easy to take it as outright death, but I think there?s a strong sense that the Doctor simply doesn?t want to stop being this incarnation – think of the fact that he, for the first time, wilfully stopped himself from fully regenerating when it would have been easier simply to do so.

    Not really. One and Five definitely fought it until they lost consciousness, while Three and Seven were also unconscious when it happened (okay, Seven was technically dead, but that doesn’t defeat the point) and Two was forcibly regenerated as a punishment (almost like an execution in some ways. And I sort of wonder at this point if that’s going to be Ten’s ultimate fate…). Since we didn’t properly see Six or Eight, only Four (definitely) and Nine (arguably, since he was trying to comfort Rose) can be said to have taken it with any sort of calm.

    Ten was simply the only one with the MEANS to stop it. Which I found dodgy – if a Time Lord is healed BEFORE their body changes, why is completion automatic? Surely the healing should be PART of the change…

    Either way, he should really be on his tenth regeneration (effectively the Eleventh Doctor, albeit with a direct continuation of Ten’s body and persona) by now.

    #106211

    > The Knights who say raNi!

    The most epic of epic wins this board has ever witnessed.

    #106213
    Dave
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    >all the beauty and all the pain of the universe is too much for one mind?

    Nicely put

    #106217
    Phil1034
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    > ?Caves of Androzani?. He is about to regenerate on that ship, we see his eventual regeneration effect but he stops it with enough time to save Peri and then he regenerates.

    Really? I must have missed that.

    #106221
    JamesTC
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    It is oddly subtle but it is there.

    #106222
    littlesmegger
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    > I respect your opinion, but you?re wrong.
    > This, too, is wrong.

    Always amuses me when someone puts the words “opinion” and “wrong” into the same sentance… seeing it is impossible for an opinion to be wrong, as it’s merely an opinion, not a statement of fact.

    For me Midnight was a dire episode, and the only one ever where I’ve felt myself physically nodding off half way through. The problem with it, isn’t the Doctor being alone, it is that the plot drags beyond belief… plus the ‘monster’ ain’t all that wonderful ontop.

    Most of the time psychological villains work 10 times better than ones who are in your face… but this one didn’t work at all [in my opinion].

    #106227
    Seb Patrick
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    Always amuses me when someone puts the words ?opinion? and ?wrong? into the same sentance? seeing it is impossible for an opinion to be wrong, as it?s merely an opinion, not a statement of fact.

    Always amuses me when someone doesn’t understand the concept of “exaggeration for effect”. Or when they don’t understand that the word “wrong” has multiple meanings.

    #106229
    Tarka Dal
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    He’s right though.

    #106231
    Dave
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    >Really? I must have missed that.

    You can be forgiven for that, it’s at the end of Part Three. The visual effect that will later play over the regeneration is seen and he sort of shakes it off, the casual audience would never have known what it was.

    #106233
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >He?s right though.

    About Midnight?

    Shut up, Karl.

    #106235
    Pete Part Three
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    Anyone who doesn’t like Midnight is a lameo. My opinion, there.

    #106237
    Tarka Dal
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    Na I just thought if wrong had different meanings, then surely right would do to ;-)

    As for Midnight, blaaaaaah. It’s over-rated. Lots of people shouting at each other doesn’t equate to good acting for me. However I’ve only watched it the once so I may appreciate it more second time around.

    #106241
    Julian Hazeldine
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    >only one ever where I?ve felt myself physically nodding off half way through.

    Going out on a limb here, but I get the impression you’ve never seen Black Orchid.

    #106243
    John Hoare
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    plus the ?monster? ain?t all that wonderful ontop.

    The monster is not the point of that episode – it’s the people’s reaction to it.

    Midnight is the best non-finale script RTD has written, in my opinion. (If you don’t count Rose, which is a bit of a special case.)

    #106244
    Jonathan Capps
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    > Going out on a limb here, but I get the impression you?ve never seen Black Orchid.

    I Heart Julian.

    #106245
    JamesTC
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    ‘Black Orchid’? Obviously you haven’t gotten to ‘The Web Planet’ yet, I sat through all ten episodes of ‘The War Games’ in one go, it took me four sittings to get through ‘The Web Planet’.

    #106247
    JamesTC
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    I see over 9 million people watched WOM!

    #106250
    Andrew
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    I’m a huge fan of the Pompeii story, but I actually though WoM mistakenly reworked the ‘fixed points in time’ concept…and not wholly for the better.

    The dialogue in FoP heavily presents the understanding of these fixed points as a curse the Time Lords have to bear. Not something practical – not simply knowledge of history and awareness of cause and effect, not something you get from a reference book – but a literal type of perception. The Time Lords, being not just human, have a form of sensory input that shows the universe to them in a way the rest of us don’t see.

    I really, really liked that. It justified the name of the species, suggested that Time Lord isn’t just a title given to two-hearted humanoids with great resources, it’s a from-birth, species-wide name that literally describes something about their physiology. Plus it comes with inherent sadness, a real Cassandra complex that justifies the Time Lords’ arrogance due to a necessary distance. It being too painful to look someone in the eye and know they have to die.

    By extension, it clarifies the Doctor’s specialness. The one Time Lord who forgoes his own emotional pain and wades into time with abandon, knowing he’ll come across these fixed moments but pushing onwards regardless.

    WoM’s dialogue suggested something less interesting. that it’s ‘just’ knowledge – the product of seeing, reading and hearing – and then coupled it with the same problem I have with Turn Left: that the universe turns on tiny, single moments. The destruction of the Mars base, the death (or not) of various red shirts, isn’t the crux of fate – it’s the death of one woman, the influence that has. While the butterfly effect’s valid SF fodder, and makes total sense to me, the Doctor’s constant travelling sees LOADS of history change every episode…and Time always compensates.

    I’m not sure I buy the importance of that one character’s death to the future of humanity. Not when there are always ambitious, motivated people looking to make discoveries.

    Which is to say: FoP is a ‘major disaster versus global disaster’ thing. WoM is a ‘we might not discover some space stuff quite as soon as we otherwise would’ story. And I’m never sure that works especially well in Who. Even though, in fact, the final result – that the Doctor truly is powerless to change those fixed moments – is the same.

    (Not that I’m down on the episode overall, mind you.)

    #106251
    JamesTC
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    Thinking about it, the ending to WOM is a little like the ending to ‘Remembrance of the Daleks’, the Doctor turning dark and doing what he normally wouldn’t do, in one case destroy Skaro, in another change time (and cause a suicide).

    #106260
    Dave
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    >the ending to WOM is a little like the ending to ?Remembrance of the Daleks?, the Doctor turning dark and doing what he normally wouldn?t do, in one case destroy Skaro, in another change time (and cause a suicide).

    In a sense they are both suicides. Skaro wouldn’t have died if the Daleks hadn’t used the Hand of Omega, alright yes the Doctor has reprogrammed it, but still.

    The Doctor didn’t cause Adelaide’s suicide in the last ten minutes of The Waters Of Mars, he caused it all the way through by talking about the weight of a history as yet unmade.

    #106265
    ChrisM
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    Considering fixed points in time, I was wondering if it’s the changing of such instances which causes the Reapers to come. (Although they didn’t this time. Buth then the lady killed herself before that could happen.) I.e. to nullify the paradox, so to speak, set the timeline back on course. More or less.

    When Rose’s father died, was that counted as a ‘fixed point in time’? That being said, it’s doubtful her father’s life would make a major change in the timeline. In fact they seemed to suggest that from the point where her father where her father was saved, a pocket universe was spawned, said universe being sterilised by the reapers. So I assume then that the rest of the universe continued on as normal then…

    So maybe the reapers are just a personal timeline paradox thing then…

    #106270
    Pete Part Three
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    >When Rose?s father died, was that counted as a ?fixed point in time??

    Well, I guess the in-show explanation could be that yes, it was…because of how much it affected Rose, leading to her joining the Doctor and ultimately saving the universe.

    #106271
    ChrisM
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    >Well, I guess the in-show explanation could be that yes, it was?because of how much it affected Rose, leading to her joining the Doctor and ultimately saving the universe.

    Hmmm. Yes. that makes sense. I was thinking that she still retained her original memories after saving him, but then she’d have been eaten by the Reapers in the pocket-verse wouldn’t she? It was her fathers sacrifice which set things back again, and her free.

    #106274
    Julian Hazeldine
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    Paul Cornell is on record as saying that the Reapers don?t come each time the universe?s history is changed- they?d show up in every Doctor Who story if that was the case. Alterations to the timeline give them strength, but the key factor in Father?s Day was the presence of two Doctors and Roses in the same place, and the elimination of one of those sets. This was what weakened the fabric of reality to let them through.

    #106281
    Pete Part Three
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    Ahhhhh.

    #106286
    si
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    Why all the palaver about the robot getting the key in the lock? Surely the Doctor could’ve just clicked his fingers?

    #106287
    ChrisM
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    Actually it is about time the Doctor had a remote control for the Tardis isn’t it? Actually, maybe not. It would resolve a lot of problems way too easily.

    I quite liked the zippy robot (not the annoying ‘gadget,gadget’ thing they say) although it was a little convenient that it happened to be stored in that particular area. Not that it bothers me much…

    I liked all the silliness of managing to put the key in on the first try. Hee, hee.

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