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  • #11533
    Ben Paddon
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    Good !

    Unfortunately some idiots on Twitter are complaining that this means there’ll be a single ten-minute ad break in the middle of the show. These people should be banned from, y’know, places.

    #115751
    Claire
    Participant

    If ads are the price we have to pay for a new series, it’s worth it.

    #115755
    my brook is babbled
    Participant

    Who cares about ads, it’s 30 minutes, it’s not as if people complain about some successful mainstream shows such as Downton Abbey having ad breaks, it doesn’t affect the shows.

    #115756
    Alex
    Participant

    I have to say, with a couple of the episodes I saw being recorded, the 3x ten minute sections to a show seemed to work quite well. Doug had clearly planned more carefully this time and tried to create three distinct acts.

    #115759
    Carlito
    Participant

    I doubt there will be two interruptions during the show though? Just the one surely, and bookended by ads to make up the 40 min slot?

    #115761
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I imagine there’ll be a short midway ad-break.

    #115765
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I imagine it will be EXACTLY LIKE THE THIRTY MINUTE EPISODES THAT DAVE ARE CURRENTLY BROADCASTING IN A FORTY MINUTE SLOT.

    #115766
    Ridley
    Participant

    That only gives us 28 hours!

    #115771
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Well I’ve heard* it will be a 30 minute episode in a 2 hour slot…The greedy marketing bastards!!

    *I haven’t

    #115776
    si
    Participant

    I’ve heard* it will be a seven minute episode in a four minute slot.

    *see above

    #115787
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I imagine it will be EXACTLY LIKE THE THIRTY MINUTE EPISODES THAT DAVE ARE CURRENTLY BROADCASTING IN A FORTY MINUTE SLOT.

    Yeah, that’s more or less the point I’ve been making with idiots on Twitter. No responses, mind. I think they’re too busy trying to poke electrical sockets with wet forks.

    #115416
    si
    Participant

    Richard’s just Tweeted this:

    Re #reddwarf ad breaks, we’re editing the show with one ad break in the middle approx half way. Not two.

    #115417
    Carlito
    Participant

    Hopefully there will be some kind of on-screen legend and/or sting to denote the end of part 1, start of part 2. The ad breaks were very jarring in BTE and not least because it cut directly from the action to an ad.

    #115418
    si
    Participant

    The way that bunkroom scene ends before the ads in part one of BtE, with the Cat’s yell, really annoys me for some reason.

    #115419
    pfm
    Participant

    Hopefully it’s edited so there’s a strong woofer going into the break. If you’re laughing going into the ads there’s more chance of you sticking with the show.

    #115420
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Well isn’t that the ONLY take of that, as JUST after the cut, Danny goes base over apex over the doorway?

    #115421
    si
    Participant

    Good point, well made.

    #115404
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Part of the reason the placement of the breaks were so pony for BTE was that the show was shot as a two parter, with the intended break points being completely different to where they ended up in the finished show. This time round, each episode will have been written and shot with an ad break in mind (in fact, it was fun trying to figure them out during recordings), so hopefully it’ll be better. When done with expert timing, having an ad break can actually be hugely beneficial to the pace of the show. Father Ted and Peep Show both did/do it superbly.

    #115406
    si
    Participant

    ‘End of Part One’: like a mini-cliffhanger.

    #115407
    Brayds2006
    Participant

    Something like this?

    #115409
    si
    Participant

    Add a red ellipse, and you’re there. ;)

    #115410
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    I LIKE THIS!

    #115411
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Father Ted and Peep Show both did/do it superbly.

    Weirdly enough, i’ve noticed something about Father Ted, in as much as it seems to work better on broadcast than it does on DVD.

    The DVD for pacing has cut the “Hitler dirt rant” in order to keep the scene going, whereas on tv you get more of it before the bumper kicks in.

    Also the scene where Ted writes a poem for Eoin McLove, and finds that his poem didn’t win. Dougal’s baiting him, leading to a zoom in and an excellent fake-out of an ad-break that loses it’s effect on the DVD slightly.

    Maybe it’s just me, though.

    #115396
    Brayds2006
    Participant

    Ellipse’d.

    #115397
    si
    Participant

    …and we’re there!

    #115398
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    did you make that original image Brayds?

    #115399
    Brayds2006
    Participant

    The background? No, I nabbed that from Google Images: http://wallpapers.androlib.com/wallicons/wallpaper.big-xqm.cs.png

    Though I did mess around with the color and contrast, but that’s like kind of like polishing the table instead of building it.

    #115372
    pfm
    Participant

    The Hitler gag in Ted is exactly the kind of thing you need going into a break.

    #115380
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Channel 4 are rather good at re-editing their shows for DVD. Spaced, Father Ted, Peep Show and The IT Crowd (with the notable exception of series 1) were all re-edited as if they had no ad breaks at all. I approve.

    Interestingly, the version of Spaced on Netflix US right now is the broadcast version… complete with the Spaced logo preempting and following where the ads would go. An interesting thing for me, as I’ve only ever seen the show on DVD.

    #115889
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    > …were all re-edited as if they had no ad breaks at all. I approve.

    I disapprove, generally speaking. The pause created by an ad break is part of the original show, and is often very important to the pace. I prefer it to be like the Brasseye DVD, with the bumpers intact and a two second gap in between.

    #115891
    si
    Participant

    I’ve got Vic Reeves Big Night Out on both VHS and DVD – one of them has the bumpers, one’s edited, can’t remember which is which (though I suspect it’s the video which has the bumpers).

    Spaced is edited well for DVD, though I’ve got my videos recorded tram the original transmission, which I’ve very cleverly edited the ads out of. The Spaced logo sweeps in, stays for a second, then sweeps off again.
    I’m very easily amused…

    #115894
    UncreativeUserName
    Participant

    Strangely enough, at 2:00 in the morning when there’s no adverts sometimes, they do the exact same thing for Spaced. It was very surreal for me, about to go off and get something to eat, for the show to start back up immediately.

    #115895
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The pause created by an ad break is part of the original show, and is often very important to the pace

    I can’t say it’s impacted my viewing of The IT Crowd, Spaced, or Father Ted, to be honest. Spaced works exceptionally well sans ad breaks.

    #115896
    Connell
    Participant

    >Strangely enough, at 2:00 in the morning when there’s no adverts sometimes, they do the exact same thing for Spaced.

    Yes i’ve noticed this also! I believe it’s when they air it on More 4, the show seems to continue instantaneously.

    #115897
    Connell
    Participant

    Double post.. my irritating phone!

    #116304
    Dave
    Participant

    >Channel 4 are rather good at re-editing their shows for DVD. Spaced, Father Ted, Peep Show and The IT Crowd (with the notable exception of series 1) were all re-edited as if they had no ad breaks at all. I approve.

    I’m pretty sure that although there is no bumper on the DVD, some Ted episodes still feature half of the musical intro/outro that accompanied it. As a viewing experience, it’s quite odd.

    #116306
    Mr-Stabby
    Participant

    I disapprove, generally speaking. The pause created by an ad break is part of the original show, and is often very important to the pace. I prefer it to be like the Brasseye DVD, with the bumpers intact and a two second gap in between.

    Yeah i agree with this.

    Who else remembers when the BBC would edit American shows like Star Trek to remove the ad breaks? As has been said, shows with adverts often are paced to lead up to the ad break. In the case of Star Trek for example, something bad would happen like Kirk is captured, then you’d see a closeup of Kirk standing still being pissed off as the music crescendos and then the picture fades to black. A couple of seconds later, we’d fade back into the action. The BBC not only removed the fade to black, but took out the music leading up to it, so you’d get this weird situation where Kirk would be captured and then suddenly stand there and stare at the camera for 10 seconds for no real reason. T’was a weird decision to edit it that way! They also used to move the cold open to after the title sequence, and put the title sequence first. The BBC were weird back then.

    #116307
    pfm
    Participant

    > The BBC were weird back then.

    As opposed to now when they’re…..?

    #116309
    Carlito
    Participant

    Would it have actually been the BBC who edited those shows, or would it have been the American network or the production company?

    #116311
    Mr-Stabby
    Participant

    As opposed to now when they’re…..?

    Weird and shite? :-D

    As for who did the edits, yeah it would be interesting to find out. Was it ever played like that on stations like PBS?

    #116253
    HelloMabel
    Participant

    You’re right that if any American station would show anything without ads, it would be a PBS station. But if talking about Star Trek, it was never shown on PBS in any of its incarnations. I don’t think any PBS station has enough $ to pick up anything from Paramount. The DVDs will obviously have the show without commercials, but I couldn’t speak to how elegant the edits are since I don’t own those DVDs. I’d assume it’s a normal edit with a second or 2 of black screen standing in where the ads were.

    #116266
    Phil
    Participant

    >I’d assume it’s a normal edit with a second or 2 of black screen standing in where the ads were.

    I recall this being the case when I watched a few TOS episodes on Netflix. (99% sure these would be the same edits as on the DVDs.) It’s been a while though so I could be misremembering.

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