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  • #261334
    tombow
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    I haven’t seen it, but I’ve seen some clips on youtube and there’s a section where they meet a slightly older (5 years I think) version of themselves who are fat and greedy and unlikable. The film then has a plotline of them trying to avoid this future –

    #261335
    si
    Participant

    THE MOVIE IS NOT YET OUT IN THE UK OF COURSE THERE IS NO WAY I COULD POSSIBLY HAVE SEEN IT OH NO SIR NOT ME

    #261338

    I hadn’t even considered Out of Time when I saw it. It’s a bit of a sci-fi trope to have a future you want to avoid, and part of that is making the characters unlike people to themselves.

    #261351
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    If we’re doing spoilers, I would make a distinction about how this bit of B&T differs from Out of Time. But I don’t think we’re doing spoilers so.

    #261353
    Dave
    Participant

    I’m not reading this thread until I see the movie, but I’d just like to point out that Bill and Ted melvined Death way before Rimmer kicked him in the nuts.

    #261376
    RealBigOleDummy
    Participant

    Just watched Bill and Ted’s newest movie a couple of days ago. I kinda have to agree with quinn _ drummer though. Its such an old concept I never associated it with “Out of Time” or Red Dwarf at all. Great little movie though.

    #261750

    I watched it last week and enjoyed it a lot. Ok it won’t win any Oscars but was a heartfelt effort with plenty of good gags. I am probably the target audience being a bloke approaching middle age so not sure if anyone under 30 will watch it.

    Films like this kinda make you wonder what a RD movie could have been like.

    #261751
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    It’s just lovely. Every part of it.

    And I’m in the ‘liking Dennis’ camp, so that probably helps.

    #261752

    I really loved it, but it felt like there was too much going on. And I found the girls story much more interesting than the boys. I honestly wouldn’t have minded if it had focused on them doing their story and somewhat echoing their dads first adventure.

    But that’s just a quibble really. It had a really really strong and funny opening 20mins, a bit of a messy middle that was still fun and enjoyable, and a strong ending which holds up to the others (especially Bogus Journey)

    #261753
    clem
    Participant

    I had high hopes and wasn’t disappointed, and I suspect I’ll like it even more when I see it again. Very charming, good-natured, did everything it needed to do. Kind of a mash-up of the first two films but its own thing as well. Maybe a little bit too knowing in one or two places and I agree there was a bit too much all happening at once but these are niggles. It was delightful.

    #261755
    Ridley
    Participant

    [The Small Boy From The McCain’s Oven Chip Ad Who Says “Most excellent” in a Posh Voice, When Obviously It’s Only a Cool Thing To Say If You’re American and in the Bill & Ted Films]
    Most excellent.
    [/The Small Boy From The McCain’s Oven Chip Ad Who Says “Most excellent” in a Posh Voice, When Obviously It’s Only a Cool Thing To Say If You’re American and in the Bill & Ted Films]

    #261756
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I was a bit underwhelmed by it, but wanted to love it and so was rooting for it throughout. It succeeds on charm. I think I’d have preferred something different rather than a mash-up of 1 and 2. Maybe some alternate dimensions or visits to other planets, rather than bouncing around time and then a quick detour to Hell to pick up Death.

    I found the B+T story repetitive, and the daughter story lacking a bit of invention. I’d include a comment about the Princesses story, but since that was obviously cut, there’s not much to say.

    Despite this, I liked the ending and the grand reveal that it was the a) the daughters who wrote the song – and b) it wasn’t so much the fact that the song was amazing, just that everyone in the world united to play along. That’s totally in keeping with this series.

    And yet, and yet…Bogus Journey is still the ending I want to remember for these characters. I realise that Solomon and Matheson weren’t responsible for all those newspaper headlines in the end credits, but they worked for me for 29 years.

    Winter and Sadler were great in their old roles. I’m a huge fan of Keanu but his older Ted just didn’t work for me. He just seemed to lack the optimistic puppy-dog charm of Ted, although I appreciate the moments where it was up to him to think laterally as that was always his big attribute. Dennis didn’t work for me, and seemed particularly superfluous when Death turned up. I adore Holland Taylor but the plotline with her deciding to send Dennis to kill Bill and Ted for…reasons…was just bizarre.

    #261757
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I liked it when Death said “let’s rock” because… it made me want to rock.

    #261758
    si
    Participant

    I loved it, and already had a big grin on my face before the first couple of minutes had even passed.
    I think maybe a lot of what I thought of the movie was partly nostalgia and general love for them (found this in my second viewing), but it’s just such a comforting, happy, life affirming thing to have in such a Godawful shitty year.

    (Though I have got to say that I had a fair idea of what would happen from the moment I heard the “Preston-Logan”in the trailer the other month.)

    Favourite visual:future Bill’s pathetic combover really made me laugh. Even better than Future Cat’s.

    #261759
    clem
    Participant

    > I’m a huge fan of Keanu but his older Ted just didn’t work for me. He just seemed to lack the optimistic puppy-dog charm of Ted, although I appreciate the moments where it was up to him to think laterally as that was always his big attribute.

    I quite liked the way Bill and Ted were more different than each other than in the other films. Ted telling Bill he’d had his guitars valued and “I’m tired” was particularly touching. There were one or two other nice poignant moments but the stuff with the deathbed selves didn’t do it for me. Not sure what they were going for there.

    > Solomon and Matheson weren’t responsible for all those newspaper headlines in the end credits

    Huh, I didn’t know that. They’re great, especially “We have nothing bad to say about them”. There was no mention of De Nomelos in the excellent little rundown of Missy’s relationship history at the wedding, so presumably she didn’t go through with marrying him.

    #261764

    I did appreciate how they got the same actress back to play Missy.

    Considering the Princesses have never had the same actress in any film, they could have easily re-cast Missy for that scene but managed to get her, which was cool.

    #261766
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I’ve not had time to watch the film yet, and so I’ve only skimmed this thread, but just wanted to congratulate Ridley for the comprehensiveness and accuracy of that incredibly obscure reference.

    #261832
    tombow
    Participant

    I loved the film but…I found the “future” Bill n Ted’s being so horrible a bit depressing. I don’t mind “out of time” so much because I always saw the Dwarfers as almost-horrible people anyway. But Bill n Ted are meant to be the most positive people.

    I loved Dennis the robot…I’ve been rewatching youtube clips of his scenes so I can laugh at them again…

    #261838
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    If I had one gripe – and it’s a small gripe, in the grand scheme of things – it’s that the film ends suddenly. Very suddenly. But the film as a whole, I loved it. I adored the entire thing.

    #261841
    Ridley
    Participant

    I realise that Solomon and Matheson weren’t responsible for all those newspaper headlines in the end credits, but they worked for me for 29 years.

    Listened to the writers’ commentary for Excellent Adventure today and there’s a chunk of their own writing that they don’t like either among other stuff.

    Never noticed the Freud sausage wilt.

    Nice to hear Matheson and Solomon hoping to rectify the lack of female roles for the third one.

    #261843

    If I had one gripe – and it’s a small gripe, in the grand scheme of things – it’s that the film ends suddenly. Very suddenly. But the film as a whole, I loved it. I adored the entire thing.

    I didn’t feel this way at all. It didn’t feel any different to the way Bogus Journey ends. The story plays out, they do a gig, fade to credits.

    #261844
    clem
    Participant

    I think the ending is fine and the film is just the right length, just like the other two. But then I tend to think films should be shorter. There’s a post-credits scene btw.

    #261856

    it’s a 90min film, hardly long.

    I saw the post credits scene. It was fine.

    #261861
    RealBigOleDummy
    Participant

    Didn’t really do a “review” much in my first comment as I didn’t want to be a “spoiler” but now that just about everyone who WANTS to see it has….. hehe

    First, again, the trope mentioned by the OP was a beef I never connected to anything Dwarfish.

    Second, I loved the movie! A worthy entry in the B & T universe? …. multiverse? … whatever you want to call it. It was especially nice seeing the original Death as well as Missy back for the third. The bit showing Rufus was kinda sad though. The “murderous” incompetent robot I liked better the second viewing much more than the first. On the whole a very good hour and a half of entertainment. As Bill says “we still got it!”

    #263946
    Dave
    Participant

    I finally watched this. It was… OK, I thought.

    It hits a lot of beats from the first two movies and the leads are still charming and likeable (and the casting for their daughters is spot on) but otherwise the story all feels a bit cobbled together, which wasn’t what I expected for a film so long in the writing.

    Ultimately it’s a nice send-off and a final chance to catch up with these characters, but it’s not a patch on the first two. Unlike Bogus Journey it plays it safe and essentially revisits ideas from the first two movies when something fresher and different might have worked better.

    Oh, and I didn’t think of Out Of Time at all until I remembered this thread.

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