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  • #231733
    Dave
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    Who took the picture of young-Rimmer’s dorm room that he uses to go back in time, in Timeslides? And how is adult-Rmmer in possession of it in the future?

    The more I think about this the more it bothers me.

    #231739

    If I had to head-canon it, I’d say it was just a snapshot of the dorm room that maybe he took, and he’s so petty that he happily had it developed and then sat watching the day go by in the photo until it was night time and he crept in.

    What I want to know is if those photos are still around and still ‘work’. Mind you, Doug might read this and think ‘ah there’s a good idea for a XIII plot’, to which I’ll say NO DOUG STOP.

    #231742
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Does time pass like that in the photos? If you left the photo running for 100 years would 100 years pass?

    #231744

    I always thought it was like a security camera in the dorm room and they were just able to find a snapshot of the footage. Well Rimmer is overly obsessive, he has both a collection on 20th century telegraph poles and vintage wires, so why wouldn’t he collect everything of his youth to compile in like a documentary about himself in the future or something.

    #231749
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Bobby Moore, I don’t bloody know.

    #231753
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Rimmer has the photo in his possession because it’s the future and everyone just has thousands of photos encompassing their entire lives stored on their computers.

    It doesn’t really make sense that a picture like that would be taken in the first place, so… let’s say young Rimmer really wanted a picture of himself with his “friends”, but he wasn’t confident enough to ask them for a proper photo, so he just set up his camera to take an automatic picture of them while they were sleeping near each other instead.

    #231754
    bloodteller
    Participant

    it’s a bit like that Peep Show episode where they get lost in the moors at midnight and there’s a wide shot of the two of them from a distance- the gimmick of the show is that every shot is a POV shot, so who is watching two blokes wandering around a moor late at night? sinister stuff, there

    #231756
    Warbodog
    Member

    Why does Rimmer put on an accent for one word in Future Echoes when he tells Holly to record an “internal memo”? Is he mocking Lister’s accent (for some reason? Lister didn’t say “internal” in that scene though, unless it was cut)? Is it something else? This bothers me so bad, I can’t stand this amazing episode of series 1.

    #231757
    Warbodog
    Member

    >who is watching two blokes wandering around a moor late at night?

    I read somewhere that it was a cow’s POV. Can’t remember if it was a serious answer, joke answer or fan theory.

    #231758

    I always assumed “internal memo” was him doing a scouse accent. Because he’s writing it to Lister and… I dunno.

    #231759
    clem
    Participant

    > I read somewhere that it was a cow’s POV. Can’t remember if it was a serious answer, joke answer or fan theory.

    Maybe Juliet May directed that bit. It’s definitely mentioned on the DVD commentary and iirc they do say it’s a cow or an owl or something.

    #231760
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I thought it was just Chris slightly stumbling over the line.

    #231765
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >I read somewhere that it was a cow’s POV. Can’t remember if it was a serious answer, joke answer or fan theory.
    It’s a cow’s POV, as stated in the director’s commentary. They REALLY wanted a wide shot of the moors, but couldn’t do it because of the POV rule, so pretended there was a cow there and used that. I’m not sure if they literally state it is a cow or if it’s just sort of an excuse for the shot.

    #231766

    > I can’t stand this amazing episode of series 1.

    I feel this is in reference to something…

    #231767
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I need to go listen to the line now, i never noticed he said anything funny….

    Nevermind, I do remember that. But the way he delivers it makes it feel very deliberate. Why, though? Making fun of Lister/Craig? Just for fun? Who nose

    #231769
    Warbodog
    Member

    He did a (bad) Lister impersonation a few lines earlier, so maybe Chris just relapsed.

    “Interestingly,” the novel version extends the impersonation, specifies it’s a fake Scouse accent and has the memo line right after (moving the splits / blown up discussion later).

    ‘Oh, you’re not still going on about your impending death, are you? For heaven’s sake,’ Fake Scouse accent: ‘change der record. Flip der channel. Death isn’t der handicap it once was. For smeg’s sake, cheer up.’
    ‘You are, aren’t you? You’re loving it.’
    ‘Holly – I’d like to send an internal memo…’

    I just had one of those moments where I ask myself what I’m doing with my life. I’ll hit ‘Submit’ anyway so the lesson isn’t wasted.

    #231778
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >It’s a cow’s POV, as stated in the director’s commentary. They REALLY wanted a wide shot of the moors, but couldn’t do it because of the POV rule, so pretended there was a cow there and used that. I’m not sure if they literally state it is a cow or if it’s just sort of an excuse for the shot.

    aw, that’s not nearly as interesting as some person inexplicably watching the two of them. though it being a cow does make more sense, i suppose

    #231785

    That’s so exceptionally close to them having their cake and eating it that it lowers my opinion of them a tiny bit.

    #231786
    Dave
    Participant

    Given that the last shot of the entire series is from the POV of an inanimate object, they can pretty much get away with whatever they want, I think.

    #231787
    bloodteller
    Participant

    there was a scene in season 1 that wasn’t from the POV of anyone, to be fair. when jeremy remembers “the bad thing” and its him getting his cock sucked by super hans

    #231789

    That’s an interior POV, surely? Visual memory.

    #231790
    flanl3
    Participant

    Well it’s all from the POV of the camera, isn’t it?

    #231791
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The camera doesn’t exist within the Peep Show universe, it is merely the medium thru which we can peer in

    #231792
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    They break the POV a number of times, often it’s just from Sophie or Super Hans’ point of view though. There’s even a shot of Jeremy and Mark scarpering away from the play centre in the second to last episode that is the two of them running across the carpark.

    #231793
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    But that’s from a car, so it’s obviously the POV of someone watching them. The issue is when there’s no one who could possibly be there.

    #231794
    Dave
    Participant

    It’s god’s POV.

    #251084
    Dave
    Participant

    Why does Ace travel 3,000,000 years into the future when he dimension-jumps?

    Who is the regular-universe counterpart for ‘padre’?

    #251110
    clem
    Participant

    Not sure what you’re driving at with your second question. It’s the Cat, isn’t it? I mean I know it doesn’t really make sense but neither does Mellie or Bongo.

    Wasn’t the padre going to be a different character originally? A cleaner? Or am I thinking of the cleaner in the Tongue Tied video.

    #251111
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Life on Earth in that universe developed 3,000,000 years later, or something

    #251112

    Is it in the Backwards novel where it’s suggested that Ace turns up in the same time zone as his alter-ego in that universe, regardless of when it is? It’s somewhere, I’m sure.

    I really feel that GNP need to create a Red Dwarf equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eqew1mXO30

    #251113
    Dave
    Participant

    Not sure what you’re driving at with your second question. It’s the Cat, isn’t it? I mean I know it doesn’t really make sense but neither does Mellie or Bongo.

    Yes, I could have picked either of those too.

    I was just watching the Series IV documentary last night and realised that an equivalent of Cat who isn’t a cat doesn’t really make sense, not that it matters really.

    #251114
    Dave
    Participant

    And yes, they talk about originally making alt-Cat a cleaner (as a contrast to the regular-universe version) but then not wanting to lean on negative stereotypes for a non-white character.

    #251115

    but then not wanting to lean on negative stereotypes

    Something they seem completely happy with in recent years

    #251116
    Dave
    Participant

    I did wince a little bit rewatching that documentary and seeing Craig and Danny lauding the fact that Red Dwarf is set in a future where racism isn’t ever even mentioned because it isn’t relevant any more, and how progressive that was for the show.

    #251120

    I really feel that GNP need to create a Red Dwarf equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eqew1mXO30

    Nice! There are, of course, the “frequently asked questions” bits of the Smeg-Ups videos with Kryten talking to us through the Black Box.

    #251127

    Cat in the mirror universe is equally nonsensical. Something like Mr. Rat would have worked a lot better there. Other than the fact that he’s funny and the mirror universe stuff isn’t.

    #251128
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    The totally shit Talkie Toaster interviews on the official website covers the matter in its interview with Admiral Bongo.

    “Father Cat? Now there’s a remarkable guy. Passes for human incredibly well, doesn’t he? I mean, you occasionally find him scratching at his dog-collar with his foot, but generally speaking he’s indistinguishable from the rest of the guys. The Padré was part of an experiment the boffins had been working on, something to do with hyper-evolution. I don’t know the science stuff – I’m the guy who wrote to the TV networks asking them to ban documentaries during prime time – but they were working on Darwinian logics and came up with a theory that, over time and given the correct surrounds, almost any life-form will evolve into humanoid form. They eventually moved to full animal testing and Lister volunteered a cat he’d rescued on Titan. They shoved the moggy into an accelerated-time environment – kinda the opposite of a stasis booth – and the Padré was the first successful result. His religion’s a little quirky – it’s not really Christianity, but has something to do with, I don’t know, some promised holy land and an ancient star map. Crazy stuff, but he’s a top guy, great for morale – except when he sheds on the furniture.”

    “Mellie is a Model 101-type android. Tenth generation, AI. Quite brilliant. And she’s programmed to be the ideal secretary. Never misses a call, never forgets a message, and only flirts within certain operational parameters. I’ve got her set at low-level – just enough that I don’t feel guilty. But you can crank her up to full-blown ‘affair that the wife will never discover’ if you choose. It’s up to the user. She attends the company fundraisers and so on, and I can’t have her making embarrassing innuendoes in front of the brass.”

    #251158
    Dave
    Participant

    I quite like the fact that someone has at least tried to explain it.

    #251159
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I assume there’s an explanation as to why Bongo looks so much like Jim Reaper too. And a detailed dissection of a frog thrown in for good measure.

    #251260
    Dave
    Participant

    I wonder what was in Camille’s bag that Kryten asked Lister to take on board Hector’s ship at the end of the episode. It’s not like she brought anything with her onto Red Dwarf. Maybe she just nicked a few towels or something.

    #251261
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    She nicked the last of the strawberries.

    #251262
    Ridley
    Participant

    Giant tissue.

    #251284
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Kryten’s heart.

    #251285
    si
    Participant

    Kryten’s heart.

    The old, old story.

    #251287
    clem
    Participant

    Couple of Kryten’s spare heads and Spare Hand One.

    #251288
    clem
    Participant

    Obviously not Spare Hand One as he’s in the very next episode. How many spare body parts is Kryten meant to have anyway? There’s the spares in DNA, the heads that get blown up in Beyond a Joke. Is he like Trigger’s broom by now?

    #251314
    performingmonkey
    Participant

    I always though ‘You killed the crew, Kryten!’ should have had an in-episode explanation, for those who didn’t read Infinity Welcomes… cause it seems completely insane, out of nowhere, the idea of Kryten ‘killing’ the Nova 5 crew. (he splashes soapy water onto a console, right? So hardly anything deliberate)

    #251315
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    That may have been Doug mixing up the novel and the show and not bothering to check, rather than a deliberate IV-style retcon.

    #251317
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Kryten killing the crew always sounded like an accident to me, either way

    #251319
    Hamish
    Participant

    LISTER: You killed the crew, Kryten! No wonder you ended up on your own! All right, it was an accident, but nevertheless…

    #251320
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    I figured it’s the same reason as to why Rimmer identifies himself as First Technician in Trojan. Although Doug had previously incorrectly identified novel Rimmer as Second Technician in Last Human.

    #251322

    On that “you killed the crew point” – Kryten goes on to say something along the lines of “and it was the same on the SS Augustus” … so presumably Kryten was assigned to a ship for long enough for the entire crew to die of old age, but still be close enough to Earth to be picked up by someone and re-assigned to the Nova 5, where he inadvertently kills them billions of light years from home after he washed the inside of the computer.

    #251323

    Why, if there are cinemas on Red Dwarf, and monitors in all of the living spaces, is Lister watching a film in the drive room in Confidence and Paranoia?

    #251324
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I’m only going by the show, but the first crew death doesn’t need to be of old age, although that would be pretty funny, Kryten being assigned to two ships in a row where all of the crew age to death and he doesn’t understand. It would be utterly tragic if he had any concept of death before Rimmer points it out to him

    #251325
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    well actually the language Lister uses would make it very strange for both deaths not to have happened in similar fashions, but hey ho.

    #251326

    Why, if there are cinemas on Red Dwarf, and monitors in all of the living spaces, is Lister watching a film in the drive room in Confidence and Paranoia?

    I always kinda liked that. It’s a silent and short-hand way of saying that, for better or worse, he has the run of the ship now. Once formal or professional spaces are now stripped of their meaning.

    #251327
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    He’s lazy, I couldn’t be arsed going all the way to the cinema every time I wanted to watch something. Plus the drive room is cosy

    #251328
    Dave
    Participant

    There’s that food machine in the Drive Room (well sometimes, anyway), so if he’s eating and drinking then maybe that’s more convenient.

    #251329
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Given that the Drive Room appears to be modular, it seems like a pretty good place for that kind of stuff

    #251330
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    He’s watching Netflix.

    #251495
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    With the Red Dwarf cinemas, I presume that when the crew was around that a crewmember had to put money/tokens in a machine before a film would be shown. So the Four would have to ask Holly to override the systems in order for a film to be shown for free?

    #251496
    Dave
    Participant

    I presume it was free and on demand like everything else.

    #251522

    I presume it was free and on demand like everything else.

    Which is only the case right up until Officer Rimmer, when suddenly the crew have “tv packages”.

    If we roll that back and assume it’s always been the case, then it would make sense that Holly overrode everything for Lister post accident.

    In fact, in Queeg it’s shown that the dispensing machines need credits to use and Holly is responsible for overriding that.

    If everything was free and on-demand, what would be the point of a cinema at all? Other than the cinema experience I guess.

    #251523
    Dave
    Participant

    Yeah, I was going to mention Queeg – my meaning was that post-accident Holly had made everything free for them, and Queeg makes that pretty clear. Presumably pre-accident it would cost a certain number of credits or dollarpounds.

    #251524

    Mind you, Lister gets a chicken soup without credits or any kind of technician token at the start of The End.

    #251525

    It’s Rimmer that orders it right just after he fixes the machine. Presumably techs get to use the machines for testing as much as is reasonable whilst they’re on duty.

    #251526
    Dave
    Participant

    I think there’s a Big Finish spinoff in this.

    #251527

    Todhunter uncovers an underground black market meal racket, involving technicians ordering food from vending machines whilst on duty, on their duty test system, and re-selling at lower credit prices than the machines usually dispense them for. Hilarity ensues.

    #251528
    Dave
    Participant

    “THE VEND”

    #251529
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    In MeSquared, there’s an actual sit-down cinema room, and in another episode Kryten indicates to the Cat that that the RD cinema system shows cartoons (Warner Bros.? MGM?) before the movie.

    #251530
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    What are they watching on in Holoship? From memory it looks like they’re all just sitting on some boxes or plastic chairs or something in front of a little TV

    #251531

    It’s a little portable TV isn’t it? Like the one they have in the bunk from 3 onwards … because the screen is in totally the wrong place to be useful in the quarters, though good for getting Holly in shot on camera.

    #251532

    Yeah, portable TV on Starbug.

    I love the shitty, lo-tech vibe of the BBC era. Get rid of that widescreen shite on the bunkroom walls and bring back this stuff.

    #251533

    Same. I like the modern era sets, but the hi-fi tech stuff is too much. The new medi/science room is so flashy

    Give me grimmy, run down ship with big mechanical keyboards and old CRT monitors

    Make it look like it has been thrown together out of parts for industrial use

    #251534
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    No, don’t

    #251535
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Nah, both the original and the new sets are just adhering to the technological trends of when they were made. Maybe in 30 years time the Dave era will look just as quaint for still using flatscreens instead of whatever we’ve got then.

    #251536
    Ridley
    Participant

    Cataracts.

    #251558
    si
    Participant

    Those last two posts present a perfect G&T conversation.

    #251563
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    What do you guys think of Series VIII?

    #251564
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    What’s an iguana?

    #251565
    Hamish
    Participant

    Who’s eating this chicken?

    #251566

    Why is Lister constantly trying to fuck his mum in VII and VIII?

    #251567
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Incest is fine in the future, partly because medical advancements have removed the possibility of birth defects, and partly because there is (VIII notwithstanding) literally no one else

    #251568
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Are we sure that the Kanitawowi are not relatives of the Ewoks? they are just as annoying…

    #251569
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    I do rather like the VIII sets. They seem to mesh the Ocean Grey and the white plastic of previous years.

    #251570

    Incest is fine in the future, partly because medical advancements have removed the possibility of birth defects, and partly because there is (VIII notwithstanding) literally no one else

    You’re saying that, if trapped in the future, with your mum as the only company, you’d lust after her? Is that what you’re saying Ben you filthy mite?

    #251571
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I wouldn’t, no, but I’m not Lister. And I didn’t have a short relationship with my mum and then pine after her unrequitedly for years and years before ever finding out she was my mum in some fucked up sci-fi time shenanigans, either.

    #251597

    Can you prove it?

    #251632
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    In White Hole, why did they send Rimmer – who can’t touch anything – to gather supplies with Kryten? Cat or Lister should have gone, as then they’d be able to bring back twice as many supplies as they do.

    #251663

    I suspect they sent Kryten, but Rimmer went to oversee he did a good job like the sort of petty middle manager that he is.

    #251666
    Dave
    Participant

    Presumably they needed to concentrate all the key life-support functions for Lister and Cat in a relatively small location. They probably didn’t have enough emergency power to heat the ship throughout the route they would have had to travel on foot to get supplies.

    #251667
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    What does middle manager mean?

    #251669

    Cat and Lister probably sent Rimmer because they didn’t want to be stuck in a room with him for longer than absolutely necessary.

    #251725
    Bezzy
    Participant

    What is Listers goal these days? His plan was to return to Earth but is it still his goal?
    Or is Lister on the hunt for Kochanski these days? It’s not really specified anywhere.

    #251726
    Bezzy
    Participant

    What happened to Snacky?

    #251750
    Dave
    Participant

    Dead

    #251752
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Red Dwarf is so big and Snacky is so slow that he could be roaming the ship desperately trying to find somebody for years

    #251789
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    How do you ride a horse?

    #251791
    si
    Participant

    Carefully.

    #251804
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Hey! Let’s hit it and see what happens!

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