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  • #231733
    Dave
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    Who took the picture of young-Rimmer’s dorm room that he uses to go back in time, in Timeslides? And how is adult-Rmmer in possession of it in the future?

    The more I think about this the more it bothers me.

    #231739

    If I had to head-canon it, I’d say it was just a snapshot of the dorm room that maybe he took, and he’s so petty that he happily had it developed and then sat watching the day go by in the photo until it was night time and he crept in.

    What I want to know is if those photos are still around and still ‘work’. Mind you, Doug might read this and think ‘ah there’s a good idea for a XIII plot’, to which I’ll say NO DOUG STOP.

    #231742
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Does time pass like that in the photos? If you left the photo running for 100 years would 100 years pass?

    #231744
    Bargain Bin Holly
    Participant

    I always thought it was like a security camera in the dorm room and they were just able to find a snapshot of the footage. Well Rimmer is overly obsessive, he has both a collection on 20th century telegraph poles and vintage wires, so why wouldn’t he collect everything of his youth to compile in like a documentary about himself in the future or something.

    #231749
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Bobby Moore, I don’t bloody know.

    #231753
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Rimmer has the photo in his possession because it’s the future and everyone just has thousands of photos encompassing their entire lives stored on their computers.

    It doesn’t really make sense that a picture like that would be taken in the first place, so… let’s say young Rimmer really wanted a picture of himself with his “friends”, but he wasn’t confident enough to ask them for a proper photo, so he just set up his camera to take an automatic picture of them while they were sleeping near each other instead.

    #231754
    bloodteller
    Participant

    it’s a bit like that Peep Show episode where they get lost in the moors at midnight and there’s a wide shot of the two of them from a distance- the gimmick of the show is that every shot is a POV shot, so who is watching two blokes wandering around a moor late at night? sinister stuff, there

    #231756
    Warbodog
    Participant

    Why does Rimmer put on an accent for one word in Future Echoes when he tells Holly to record an “internal memo”? Is he mocking Lister’s accent (for some reason? Lister didn’t say “internal” in that scene though, unless it was cut)? Is it something else? This bothers me so bad, I can’t stand this amazing episode of series 1.

    #231757
    Warbodog
    Participant

    >who is watching two blokes wandering around a moor late at night?

    I read somewhere that it was a cow’s POV. Can’t remember if it was a serious answer, joke answer or fan theory.

    #231758

    I always assumed “internal memo” was him doing a scouse accent. Because he’s writing it to Lister and… I dunno.

    #231759
    clem
    Participant

    > I read somewhere that it was a cow’s POV. Can’t remember if it was a serious answer, joke answer or fan theory.

    Maybe Juliet May directed that bit. It’s definitely mentioned on the DVD commentary and iirc they do say it’s a cow or an owl or something.

    #231760
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I thought it was just Chris slightly stumbling over the line.

    #231765
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >I read somewhere that it was a cow’s POV. Can’t remember if it was a serious answer, joke answer or fan theory.
    It’s a cow’s POV, as stated in the director’s commentary. They REALLY wanted a wide shot of the moors, but couldn’t do it because of the POV rule, so pretended there was a cow there and used that. I’m not sure if they literally state it is a cow or if it’s just sort of an excuse for the shot.

    #231766
    Bargain Bin Holly
    Participant

    > I can’t stand this amazing episode of series 1.

    I feel this is in reference to something…

    #231767
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I need to go listen to the line now, i never noticed he said anything funny….

    Nevermind, I do remember that. But the way he delivers it makes it feel very deliberate. Why, though? Making fun of Lister/Craig? Just for fun? Who nose

    #231769
    Warbodog
    Participant

    He did a (bad) Lister impersonation a few lines earlier, so maybe Chris just relapsed.

    “Interestingly,” the novel version extends the impersonation, specifies it’s a fake Scouse accent and has the memo line right after (moving the splits / blown up discussion later).

    ‘Oh, you’re not still going on about your impending death, are you? For heaven’s sake,’ Fake Scouse accent: ‘change der record. Flip der channel. Death isn’t der handicap it once was. For smeg’s sake, cheer up.’
    ‘You are, aren’t you? You’re loving it.’
    ‘Holly – I’d like to send an internal memo…’

    I just had one of those moments where I ask myself what I’m doing with my life. I’ll hit ‘Submit’ anyway so the lesson isn’t wasted.

    #231778
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >It’s a cow’s POV, as stated in the director’s commentary. They REALLY wanted a wide shot of the moors, but couldn’t do it because of the POV rule, so pretended there was a cow there and used that. I’m not sure if they literally state it is a cow or if it’s just sort of an excuse for the shot.

    aw, that’s not nearly as interesting as some person inexplicably watching the two of them. though it being a cow does make more sense, i suppose

    #231785

    That’s so exceptionally close to them having their cake and eating it that it lowers my opinion of them a tiny bit.

    #231786
    Dave
    Participant

    Given that the last shot of the entire series is from the POV of an inanimate object, they can pretty much get away with whatever they want, I think.

    #231787
    bloodteller
    Participant

    there was a scene in season 1 that wasn’t from the POV of anyone, to be fair. when jeremy remembers “the bad thing” and its him getting his cock sucked by super hans

    #231789

    That’s an interior POV, surely? Visual memory.

    #231790
    flanl3
    Participant

    Well it’s all from the POV of the camera, isn’t it?

    #231791
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The camera doesn’t exist within the Peep Show universe, it is merely the medium thru which we can peer in

    #231792
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    They break the POV a number of times, often it’s just from Sophie or Super Hans’ point of view though. There’s even a shot of Jeremy and Mark scarpering away from the play centre in the second to last episode that is the two of them running across the carpark.

    #231793
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    But that’s from a car, so it’s obviously the POV of someone watching them. The issue is when there’s no one who could possibly be there.

    #231794
    Dave
    Participant

    It’s god’s POV.

    #251084
    Dave
    Participant

    Why does Ace travel 3,000,000 years into the future when he dimension-jumps?

    Who is the regular-universe counterpart for ‘padre’?

    #251110
    clem
    Participant

    Not sure what you’re driving at with your second question. It’s the Cat, isn’t it? I mean I know it doesn’t really make sense but neither does Mellie or Bongo.

    Wasn’t the padre going to be a different character originally? A cleaner? Or am I thinking of the cleaner in the Tongue Tied video.

    #251111
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Life on Earth in that universe developed 3,000,000 years later, or something

    #251112

    Is it in the Backwards novel where it’s suggested that Ace turns up in the same time zone as his alter-ego in that universe, regardless of when it is? It’s somewhere, I’m sure.

    I really feel that GNP need to create a Red Dwarf equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eqew1mXO30

    #251113
    Dave
    Participant

    Not sure what you’re driving at with your second question. It’s the Cat, isn’t it? I mean I know it doesn’t really make sense but neither does Mellie or Bongo.

    Yes, I could have picked either of those too.

    I was just watching the Series IV documentary last night and realised that an equivalent of Cat who isn’t a cat doesn’t really make sense, not that it matters really.

    #251114
    Dave
    Participant

    And yes, they talk about originally making alt-Cat a cleaner (as a contrast to the regular-universe version) but then not wanting to lean on negative stereotypes for a non-white character.

    #251115

    but then not wanting to lean on negative stereotypes

    Something they seem completely happy with in recent years

    #251116
    Dave
    Participant

    I did wince a little bit rewatching that documentary and seeing Craig and Danny lauding the fact that Red Dwarf is set in a future where racism isn’t ever even mentioned because it isn’t relevant any more, and how progressive that was for the show.

    #251120
    Spare Hand One
    Participant

    I really feel that GNP need to create a Red Dwarf equivalent of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Eqew1mXO30

    Nice! There are, of course, the “frequently asked questions” bits of the Smeg-Ups videos with Kryten talking to us through the Black Box.

    #251127

    Cat in the mirror universe is equally nonsensical. Something like Mr. Rat would have worked a lot better there. Other than the fact that he’s funny and the mirror universe stuff isn’t.

    #251128
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    The totally shit Talkie Toaster interviews on the official website covers the matter in its interview with Admiral Bongo.

    “Father Cat? Now there’s a remarkable guy. Passes for human incredibly well, doesn’t he? I mean, you occasionally find him scratching at his dog-collar with his foot, but generally speaking he’s indistinguishable from the rest of the guys. The PadrĂ© was part of an experiment the boffins had been working on, something to do with hyper-evolution. I don’t know the science stuff – I’m the guy who wrote to the TV networks asking them to ban documentaries during prime time – but they were working on Darwinian logics and came up with a theory that, over time and given the correct surrounds, almost any life-form will evolve into humanoid form. They eventually moved to full animal testing and Lister volunteered a cat he’d rescued on Titan. They shoved the moggy into an accelerated-time environment – kinda the opposite of a stasis booth – and the PadrĂ© was the first successful result. His religion’s a little quirky – it’s not really Christianity, but has something to do with, I don’t know, some promised holy land and an ancient star map. Crazy stuff, but he’s a top guy, great for morale – except when he sheds on the furniture.”

    “Mellie is a Model 101-type android. Tenth generation, AI. Quite brilliant. And she’s programmed to be the ideal secretary. Never misses a call, never forgets a message, and only flirts within certain operational parameters. I’ve got her set at low-level – just enough that I don’t feel guilty. But you can crank her up to full-blown ‘affair that the wife will never discover’ if you choose. It’s up to the user. She attends the company fundraisers and so on, and I can’t have her making embarrassing innuendoes in front of the brass.”

    #251158
    Dave
    Participant

    I quite like the fact that someone has at least tried to explain it.

    #251159
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I assume there’s an explanation as to why Bongo looks so much like Jim Reaper too. And a detailed dissection of a frog thrown in for good measure.

    #251260
    Dave
    Participant

    I wonder what was in Camille’s bag that Kryten asked Lister to take on board Hector’s ship at the end of the episode. It’s not like she brought anything with her onto Red Dwarf. Maybe she just nicked a few towels or something.

    #251261
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    She nicked the last of the strawberries.

    #251262
    Ridley
    Participant

    Giant tissue.

    #251284
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Kryten’s heart.

    #251285
    si
    Participant

    Kryten’s heart.

    The old, old story.

    #251287
    clem
    Participant

    Couple of Kryten’s spare heads and Spare Hand One.

    #251288
    clem
    Participant

    Obviously not Spare Hand One as he’s in the very next episode. How many spare body parts is Kryten meant to have anyway? There’s the spares in DNA, the heads that get blown up in Beyond a Joke. Is he like Trigger’s broom by now?

    #251314
    pfm
    Participant

    I always though ‘You killed the crew, Kryten!’ should have had an in-episode explanation, for those who didn’t read Infinity Welcomes… cause it seems completely insane, out of nowhere, the idea of Kryten ‘killing’ the Nova 5 crew. (he splashes soapy water onto a console, right? So hardly anything deliberate)

    #251315
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    That may have been Doug mixing up the novel and the show and not bothering to check, rather than a deliberate IV-style retcon.

    #251317
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Kryten killing the crew always sounded like an accident to me, either way

    #251319
    Hamish
    Participant

    LISTER: You killed the crew, Kryten! No wonder you ended up on your own! All right, it was an accident, but nevertheless…

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