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  • #2923
    James
    Participant

    You can’t have escaped the “Jade” headlines today. The most romantic gesture some all calling it. What is everyone else calling it?

    #92492
    si
    Participant

    First of all, I’d like to think that even the funny sods round here can show a *little* bit of compassion.

    I’m not really calling it anything. Of course it’s desperately sad, but let’s face it, the media have built her up, knocked her down, and a lot of ‘Britain’s Bravest Bride’ is a guilt trip thing.
    I’ve never been a big fan, but thinking of a well known young person in the public eye like Jade just dying isn’t really something you like to think about, is it?

    #92493
    Jo
    Participant

    I’d rather not comment, I have my opinions on it but I don’t want to upset anyone so I’m keeping them to myself.

    #92494
    si
    Participant

    Hm. The other night, as we were all going to bed, my sister turned to me and asked “What would you do if you woke up in the morning and Jade was dead?”, and I just looked at her.

    #92495
    Dave
    Participant

    >The other night, as we were all going to bed, my sister turned to me and asked ?What would you do if you woke up in the morning and Jade was dead??, and I just looked at her.

    I think I may be in love with your sister.

    #92497
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    When Max Clifford is carefully orchestrating someone’s death, you know that it’s basically the end of civilisation as we know it.

    (or : she’s pulling a Kaufman)

    More seriously : on the one hand, I’ve never liked her at all, but on the other, of course I’m not happy to see anyone die young, especially with two young children. On the one hand, the people surrounding her – especially the TV station – are utterly ghoulish, but on the other hand, she’s perfectly entitled to take advantage of it to try and provide for her kids when she’s gone. On the one hand, I don’t consider it news of a level that would justify the amount of coverage it’s got, but on the other hand, there are loads of things I think that about, so it would be unfair to single this out.

    #92498
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    More or less everything Seb has said above for me. It feels wrong to me that she’s newsworthy in the first place, but no one deserves that kind of tradegy.

    #92502
    ChrisM
    Participant

    I agree. It’s very sad.

    On a lighter note I’d like to see the hurricane when Seb waves all those hands though.

    #92503
    si
    Participant

    >I think I may be in love with your sister.

    I’m sure my sister (seventeen last month) will be overjoyed to hear that.

    #92504
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    17 > 16.

    #92505
    si
    Participant

    Still my little sister.

    Sorry, this was almost a serious thread for a moment.

    #92506
    Phil
    Participant

    Then why are you always winking at the end of all your posts?

    #92507
    si
    Participant

    I’m not, Kryten is.

    #92508
    pfm
    Participant

    More like jape of the decade. OK (not the magazine), she may be dying, but what’s happening right now with her story is making the tabloid public look so stupid it’s actually frightening me. I hope Freddie Starr eats Max Clifford’s face.

    #92517
    Blisschick
    Participant

    “In a week when Britain was transfixed by the wedding of Jade Goody, a reality star known for her incredible ignorance, one newspaper asked what was wrong with modern Britain when a clever quiz contestant is utterly loathed and a dim reality star loved.”

    Sign of the times, sadly. I don’t get it, either.

    #92538
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Intellect has always been vilified. People don’t like people who are smarter than they are. It’s why Americans want to vote for the mythical “Everyman” in elections, it’s why the average member of the British public rather have lunch with John Barrowman than with David X Cohen, and it’s why people buy Peter Kay DVDs.

    #92541
    Carlito
    Participant

    The hypocritical tabloid press touted Jade as the next coming of Hitler a year or two back. Now she’s dying, she’s the new Princess Diana.

    Don’t wish her any ill will or anything, but seriously, these pathetic transparent rags need to shut the fuck up.

    #92543
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >it?s why the average member of the British public rather have lunch with John Barrowman than with David X Cohen

    I think it is more that the average British person has no idea who David X Coen is.

    #92550
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Precisely. Why, I ask you? ‘Cos of ignorance.

    #92569
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Can’t stand the woman but that’s true of the majority of people I’ve encountered on this pale blue dot. That said I wouldn’t wish her ailment on Max Clifford.

    It’s hopelessly Utopian I know, but wouldn’t it be nice if the people responsible for inflicting the likes of Ms Goody upon the national consciousness (conscience would be more apt now I guess) took a look at this tragedy and sorted out their utterly repugnant practices?

    #92578
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Intellect has always been vilified. People don?t like people who are smarter than they are. It?s why Americans want to vote for the mythical ?Everyman? in elections, it?s why the average member of the British public rather have lunch with John Barrowman than with David X Cohen, and it?s why people buy Peter Kay DVDs.

    “Talent is sometimes let off, but genius gets pursued relentlessly.”

    Franz Liszt (I think)

    #92587
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >Precisely. Why, I ask you? ?Cos of ignorance.

    Or, because John Barrowman is famous for appearing in British TV shows, whereas David X Cohen is a name that appears on the credits of American ones.

    Anyway, what’s your beef with Barrowman? He doesn’t strike me as being particularly dumb. He seems like a good laugh – I’d have dinner with him.

    (also, while I do take the point that the vilification of the University Challenge girl is ludicrous, one of the most universally popular people in the country is… Stephen Fry)

    #92591
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    He seems like a good laugh – I?d have dinner with him.

    Alright… gay.

    #92595
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    As others have said, from what I can surmise, this works as follows:

    Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully = Hitler

    Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully + cancer = Brave Jade

    Just watch this. It speaks for itself. This is the nation’s hero:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPew_SyG6As

    As far as I know, having cancer is neither brave, nor a talent, nor a heroic thing to do. It’s unfortunate and it happens to a lot of people, most of whom are harder working, better people than she ever was. Ah, but she was a bullying ignorant loudmouth on Big Brother. So fuck them, let’s all feel sorry for her.

    Has anyone heard anything about Jade, Max Clifford or any of the red tops that are making a mint out of all this actually giving any money to cancer charities? Must be a hell of an education she’s got planned for her kids, what with the 8 million she already had and the million or so she’s made in the last week.

    I’m also sick of everyone blaming her ignorance on her upbringing, as if that somehow excuses it. I had a rough upbringing too – so did lots of people. We don’t all act like that.

    #92607
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    It’s not like Jade is an isolated case though, is it? I don’t think Victoria Beckham adds anything positive to the world, but that doesn’t stop her being in all the papers. It’s not really Jade’s fault that she sells newspapers, so I think begrudging her last chance to assure her children’s future is rather a waste of energy.

    #92625
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully = Hitler
    > Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully + cancer = Brave Jade

    I think you might have missed out a few key points from Hitler, there. Unless you’re deliberately being fucking stupid.

    #92627
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Hitler+Cancer = Brave Jade

    #92630
    Phil
    Participant

    >I think you might have missed out a few key points from Hitler, there

    His truly bitchin’ mustache.

    #92632
    si
    Participant

    No, that was Chaplin.

    #92642
    James
    Participant

    I thought Chaplin was Hitler? And I burn all his films as well.

    #92714
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    >I think you might have missed out a few key points from Hitler, there. Unless you?re deliberately being fucking stupid.

    >>The hypocritical tabloid press touted Jade as the next coming of Hitler a year or two back. Now she?s dying, she?s the new Princess Diana.

    See that? That’s a quote from Neandercarl, which I was responding to with:

    >As others have said, from what I can surmise, this works as follows:

    Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully = Hitler

    Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully + cancer = Brave Jade

    Read the thread before you suggest I’m ‘fucking stupid’. We were discussing press perceptions/depictions of Jade, and the sea-change they’ve undergone since her diagnosis. You’d have noticed that if you’d pulled your head out of your arsehole long enough to actually put things in context, and before dealing out the insults.

    #92716
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Milk is a good source of calcium.

    #92759
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > You?d have noticed that if you?d pulled your head out of your arsehole long enough to actually put things in context, and before dealing out the insults.

    Well, I apologise, as it looked to me like it was you comparing her to Hitler. God knows how I was supposed to know you were replying to neandercarl’s post, though.

    #92761
    si
    Participant

    Wendy Richard has died of Cancer. It’s not funny, but it’s annoyed my mum because Jade’s getting all the headlines (indeed, it’s taken something as tragic as David Cameron’s young son dying to force her inside the paper) and noone’s said anything about Wendy Richard.

    #92762
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    She was a big racist too.

    #92763
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Well, it’s only been put on the BBC website today, hasn’t it? What is she expecting? It was announced in October that Wendy was dying and marrying her partner, and she’d clearly chosen to die in private.

    #92764
    Dave
    Participant

    David Cameron’s son’s death is tragic.
    The Conservative Party’s use David Cameron’s son’s death is disgusting.

    #92876
    Jo
    Participant

    >Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully = Hitler
    >Ignorant + loudmouthed + racist + bully + cancer = Brave Jade

    It’s not worth arguing about anyway. Obama is the new Hitler. It’s true!
    http://tinyurl.com/5zdbr9

    Or maybe the anti-christ…
    http://tinyurl.com/bd9lv7

    #92902
    TheLeen
    Participant

    O_O

    #92932
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I wonder if the BBC/UKTV will edit out the “Jade Goodie” doll from repeat airings of the Extras Christmas Special.

    #92933
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I wonder if the BBC/UKTV will edit out the “Jade Goodie” doll from repeat airings of the Extras Christmas Special.

    #92937
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    Speaking of editing things out…

    #92941
    pfm
    Participant

    It’s the one that says ‘I’m not a racist’ when it’s pressed, am I right? They just need to replace the sound clip with ‘I’m dying in a month!’ (what she shouted to her neighbour).

    #92949
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I wonder if the BBC/UKTV will edit out the ?Jade Goodie? doll from repeat airings of the Extras Christmas Special.

    I think, just to be safe, they should burn all copies of every episode of Extras ever.

    #92957
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Alas, they’ll be too busy burning every episode of Family Guy. And then pissing on the burning pile.

    #92959
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Alas, they?ll be too busy burning every episode of Family Guy. And then pissing on the burning pile.

    Yeah, but YOU SMELL.

    #92960
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I know you are but what am I?

    #92965
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Damn, you got me.

    #92990
    si
    Participant

    I think, just to be safe, they should burn all copies of every episode of Extras ever.

    I think they should burn Ricky Gervais.

    #92994
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    I nominate etc.

    #93036
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I’m against censorship, and I think anyone in favour of it should be silenced and have all their writing burnt.

    #93040
    Carlito
    Participant

    So they actually got MARRIED, did they?

    Meh, I give it a month.

    #93041
    Carlito
    Participant

    Too soon?

    #93043
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The way I see it, if you can’t laugh at tragedy you may as well be dead.

    Which, y’know, works out in Jade Goodie’s favour either way, really.

    #93044
    si
    Participant

    You are nasty, nasty people.

    #93045
    Carlito
    Participant

    It’s the good ole British trench humour. If we didn’t laugh, we’d cry.

    Cry, from the strain of trying to stop ourselves laughing.

    “He’s a cryyyyyyin’ man, doin what he can…”

    #93485
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Yep. 85 years ago our ancestors went to war so in the future people could make jokes about people dieing of cancer. Clearly that’s what it was all about.

    #93507
    Jo
    Participant

    >Yep. 85 years ago…

    When you were a young lad.

    #93536
    peas_and_corn
    Participant

    >Yep. 85 years ago our ancestors went to war so in the future people could make jokes about people dieing of cancer. Clearly that?s what it was all about.

    Karl, I’m fascinated about this perspective of yours on history and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

    #93542
    Carlito
    Participant

    I would too, except I gotta stay loyal to the Cs.

    Carl with a C is better than Karl with a K.

    #93545
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    >”Yep. 85 years ago our ancestors went to war so in the future people could make jokes about people dieing of cancer. Clearly that?s what it was all about.”

    I heard that it started when a bloke called Archie Duke shot an ostrich because he was hungry.

    #93566
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Carl with a C is better than Karl with a K.

    Sadly at this moment a Vogon war-fleet destroyed the Earth to make way for a new bypass.

    #93608
    Carlito
    Participant

    Heavy.

    #93614
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Great, Scott.

    #93619
    Richey
    Participant

    If every other woman in the UK who is dying from the forms of cancer that Mrs Tweed is dying from were also given constant news coverage, loads of money for exclusive interviews and free shit from rich celebrities, then I’d have no problem with the former Miss Goody. As it is, I don’t see what makes her the exception.

    #93620
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    It’s because the tabloids feel guilty for ripping into her when her life was going down the shitter. We’ve covered this.

    #93622
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Tabloids do not feel guilt, they have no emotion.

    #93634
    Carlito
    Participant

    Do they fuck: they’re hypocrites but they don’t feel a smidgen of guilt… Jade Goody is a well-known celebrity (mostly due to the coverage they gave her). They built her up, and then they cut her down. Now she is dying… that is a sad story. Sad stories sell newspapers.

    Just like episodic long-running storylines sell soap operas to viewers and increase their ratings, ongoing episodic news stories, milked dry by the media, sell newspapers. It is like a new cliffhanger everyday, and it reaches a crescendo and then a satisfying (if sad) conclusion. By satisfying, I mean it is a storyline with a definite end in sight. There’s no risk. The papers know it is coming. It is perfect paper-selling fodder. Tugs at the nations heartstrings, hooks them in to the saga, and keeps them hooked til the end.

    Her death will rule the news. Then her funeral will. Then, before long, she will barely be referenced ever again.

    I’m not saying this to sound like a cunt, I’m saying this because its the way these papers operate. They love to create their own news to maintain readership. The real news isn’t juicy enough. That’s why they “create” celebrities out of naive morons likely to embrace it when actual talented people see the tabloids as cockroaches and won’t deal with them. These machiavellian rags chew people like Jade up, and spit them out. They spat her out and forgot about her – now that she suddenly became of interest to them again, she’s right back in the news as “the people’s brave champion”. It’s not her fault; she should be allowed to die with a little dignity, not in the spotlight of the vultures.

    #93635
    Carlito
    Participant

    On the subject of these irresponsible rags creating their own stories, I honestly believe the newspapers, in particular the tabloids, have a large part to play in the accentuating of the economical issues crippling the country at the moment through their scaremongering piss-poor impersonation of ‘journalism’, but that’s a seperate issue. And one they should one day be held accountable for.

    #93637
    si
    Participant

    Michael Jackson has invited her to one of his concerts.

    In JUNE…

    #93647
    Carlito
    Participant

    Wow, he needs to be careful; if he keeps up with these crazy shenanigans, people might start calling him “Wacko Jacko”. Or something.

    PMSL though, is that true?

    #93663
    Jo
    Participant

    Re: Michael Jackson.

    I work on the phones for Carphone Warehouse customer support – this morning so far I’ve had 3 calls from people wanting to buy tickets for the concert?!?!

    #93666
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    That’s an extraordinary leap of logic. “Hmm, Michael Jackson’s playing in a venue owned by O2. O2 are a mobile phone network. I wonder if an unrelated mobile phone retailer will sell tickets?”

    #93667
    Jo
    Participant

    Indeed! That does seem to have been the pattern of thought though – I find it very strange that 3 (now 4) people have arrived at this conclusion.

    #93669
    Dave
    Participant

    >Tabloids do not feel guilt, they have no emotion

    Fear is an emotion, Contempt is as well.

    #93675
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Re: Michael Jackson.

    I work on the phones for Carphone Warehouse customer support – this morning so far I?ve had 3 calls from people wanting to buy tickets for the concert?!?!

    Cool. Can you blag me a couple?

    #93741
    peas_and_corn
    Participant

    >Michael Jackson?s playing in a venue owned by O2

    Do they own it or did they just buy naming rights?

    #93742
    Carlito
    Participant

    Any news on tickets?

    #93771
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    As part of the investment programme, naming rights were sold to O2 plc; and ‘The O2’ became the official name of the project on 25 May 2007.[5] The ?6 million a year deal between O2 plc and AEG also included priority tickets and reserved VIP accommodation for O2 mobile customers.

    Hope that helps…

    #93776
    Mr Flibble
    Participant

    And the attention to detail in the Blue Room got them the iPhone contract, apparently.

    #93793
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    What are the chances of him actually playing these gigs? When was the last time he toured? I thought his health had deteriorated massively in the last ten years.

    #93795
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    >I thought his health had deteriorated massively in the last ten years.

    If he was in such poor health he’d never have been given the go ahead to plan these gigs by the promoters. If these gigs ended up getting cancelled the o2, the promoters and MJ would stand to lose millions.

    #93796
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    You’re right, but he’s not exactly been the most stable or consistent human being has he?

    That’s what has suprised me so much about the volume of shows announced. Then again I guess multiple shows equal millions in advanced ticket saaaaaaaaaales…

    #94371
    si
    Participant

    Back on topic for the briefest of brief seconds.

    RIP Jade. Whether you liked her or not, you can’t deny that she did a hell of a lot in seven years.

    #94381
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    What’s that phrase about quantity and quality…

    #94382
    hummingbird
    Participant

    Don’t get me wrong, it’s very sad she’s been taken at the age of 27, leaving two kids behind, but she doesn’t deserve our sympathy just because she’s a celebrity. I mean, someone dies of cancer every couple of minutes – Goody is only considered a hero because the tabloids want to sell more papers.

    > you can?t deny that she did a hell of a lot in seven years

    Did she really? I mean, I take it you’re referring to really worthwhile things making her worthy of her current deification in the media? Do tell.

    #94389
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    Gordon Brown:

    “She was a courageous woman both in life and death and the whole country have admired her determination to provide a bright future for her children.”

    Since when does he decide who we all admire?

    #94396
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Regardless of ‘hero status’, worthiness or famousness, it’s sad. 27 year old woman (several years younger than me) died leaving children behind. It’s not more tragic than all the unfamous (non-famous?) people who have died, but it’s sad just the same.

    #94399
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    Amen to that. Rest in peace Jade. Anyone who has the utter hell of going through cancer all deserve the same respect. None are more special than the other. I was never a big fan of Jade but I feel loss at the utter tragic misfortune of being taken so young.

    #94404
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I don’t think all cancer patients deserve the same respect. That’s a bit like saying “Everyone who wears that Christmas jumper their Nan knitted for them when they go to visit their Nan despite not actually like it is the KING OF KINGS.”

    Only, y’know, on a larger scale.

    #94411
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    >Anyone who has the utter hell of going through cancer all deserve the same respect.

    I don’t think getting a disease makes you deserve respect. It just makes you unfortunate. Being respectable, dignified, and respectful to others earns my respect, and Jade Goody fails on all counts. I don’t expect that to matter to anyone, by the way.

    I just don’t see how respect should be automatically doled out for something as inevitable as disease. You can only be good or bad by the choices you make, not unavoidable circumstance.

    #94416
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > Jade Goody fails

    …failed.

    #94417
    Carlito
    Participant

    I think he just meant respect on a humane level for the suffering, not respect as a person.

    #94420
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    I did respect Jade’s determination to secure her children’s future once she knew she was in deep trouble, and I do think her attempts to apologise for her behaviour in the CBB house was genuine. I didn’t have any strong feelings about her selling her death to the media; after all, it was the logical conclusion to her having sold her life to them, and clearly someone out there wanted to buy it. I hope her sons have a secure future in front of them.

    #94429
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    >I think he just meant respect on a humane level for the suffering, not respect as a person.

    Perhaps so, though I’d argue that was pity more than anything, which is little use to anyone.

    #94434
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    This morning they mentioning on TV a statment from the Archbishop of Canterbury and referred to her career in reality TV.

    THIS IS NOT A CAREER.

    #94437
    si
    Participant

    What Tanya said.

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