When did Red Dwarf jump the shark?

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  • #228336

    Jawscvmcdia

    “Jumping the shark” is defined by Wikipedia as “crossing the point where something that was once popular no longer warrants the attention it has previously received, particularly when attempts at publicity only serve to highlight its irrelevance”. This is especially applicable to television series or other entertainment outlets.

    As you all know, Red Dwarf has been in production in one way or another since 1987, and naturally any television show that has been produced for this long will see a decline in quality. Just look at The Simpsons as a popular example of this. So, with this in mind, when do you think the show first “jumped the shark”? Was it Series 8? Series 10? And do you think that it can get back to the same level of quality that it had in its prime?

    #228337

    quinn_drummer

    I think killing the entire crew in the first episode personally.

    All these great, much loved characters just obliterated because the writers had run out of ideas for them.

    #228338

    Jimboid

    Great topic. Why hasn’t this been discussed before?

    #228339

    Jimboid

    Sorry, I mean:

    I think I detected a dip in quality after the first six series, but not sure if anyone else feels the same way.

    #228340

    Dave

    crossing the point where something that was once popular no longer warrants the attention it has previously received, particularly when attempts at publicity only serve to highlight its irrelevance

    Reminds me of something.

    #228341

    Pete Part Three

    I think it was probably around the time Jawscvmcdia started watching.

    #228344

    Jawscvmcdia

    >I think it was probably around the time Jawscvmcdia started watching.

    So about 2003 then?

    #228345

    quinn_drummer

    > So about 2003 then?

    yeah, release DVDs really was the turning point for the show.

    #228350

    Ben Saunders

    Going off the ship in II was jumping the shark.
    Meeting another life form in II was jumping the shark.
    Replacing David Ross was jumping the shark.
    The revamp for series III was jumping the shark.
    Recasting Holly – for a woman! – was jumping the shark.
    Revealing that the entire Red Dwarf premise was a videogame in Back to Reality was jumping the shark, then revealing that it actually wasn’t was jumping the shark twice in one episode.
    Losing Red Dwarf was jumping the shark.
    Changing Rimmer’s H was jumping the shark.
    Playing pool with planets was jumping the shark.
    Getting rid of Rimmer was jumping the shark.
    Surfing the alligator was jumping the shark.
    Having Rimmer become Ace was jumping the shark.
    Losing Rimmer and bringing in Kochanski was jumping the shark.
    Bringing the studio audience back was jumping the shark.
    Finding Red Dwarf rebuilt with all the original crew and the original Rimmer and Holly but no original Kochanski was debatably -actually- jumping the shark.
    Trying to make a movie for 9 years was jumping the shark.
    Revealing that the entire Red Dwarf premise was a TV show in Back to Earth was jumping the shark, then revealing that it actually wasn’t was jumping the shark twice in one episode.
    Pig racing was jumping the shark.
    Intergalactic QVC three million years into the future was jumping the shark.
    The quantum rod was jumping the shark.
    Laughing at a woman dying horribly was jumping the shark.
    Lister calling his ex a slag was jumping the shark.
    Completely rewriting the history of earth was jumping the shark.
    Doing Me² again was jumping the shark.
    Meeting the Universe was jumping the shark.
    Having Lister regress to mentally 23 years old was jumping the shark.
    Bringing back Talkie Toaster was jumping the shark.
    Mr. Rat was jumping the shark.

    Did I miss anything?

    #228351

    Ben Saunders

    Oh, and recasting Holly -for a man!- was jumping the shark.

    #228353

    Dave

    Revealing that the entire Red Dwarf premise was a TV show in Back to Earth was jumping the shark, then revealing that it actually wasn’t was jumping the shark twice in one episode.

    (two episodes)

    #228355

    Ben Saunders

    (Back to Earth is one episode which was split up into three parts for its initial televisual broadcast)

    #228356

    Dave

    So why is it called Series 9?

    #228357

    Ben Saunders

    It’s a series of parts of one episode, obviously

    #228358

    International Debris

    That’s a pretty solid list of why it’s difficult to do this with a show like Red Dwarf that intentionally cuts ties with its past and redefines itself in radical ways pretty regularly, as well as one that intrinsically relies on absurd scenarios.

    I also agree that VIII is probably the only time when it would fit, as that actually rewrote the entire premise for the show, on fairly flimsy grounds, and resulted in what is largely agreed to be the worst run of episodes.

    #228360

    flanl3

    Red Dwarf IX was Red Dwarf I Remastered, remember?

    #228362

    bloodteller

    >So why is it called Series 9?

    it’s not, it’s called Back To Earth.

    my uncle simply calls it “shit”, though.

    #228365

    Dave

    I might have known that.

    Not about your uncle, the other part.

    #228367

    International Debris

    >So why is it called Series 9?

    it’s not

    Do I have to bring up the French DVD AGAIN?

    #228368

    bloodteller

    but Back To Earth is the actual offical legit title

    also we are not the French

    #228369

    bloodteller

    well some of you might be the French, i don’t actually know

    #228376

    Dave

    ‘Saison’ means season, not series.

    #228377

    flanl3

    Do I have to bring up the French DVD AGAIN?

    Do I have to bring up fuck off AGAIN?

    #228378

    flanl3

    Who are we to let some French designer decide what’s right?

    #228379

    bloodteller

    Back To Earth is Back To Earth, surely. thats what its called and so thats what it is.

    but if you’re debating about titles, my friend always calls it the “Red Dwarf Movie” so lets add that one to the slate

    #228383

    Pete Part Three

    >So about 2003 then?

    Yeah, if you like. Next question?

    #228384

    Ridley

    >Reminds me of something.

    If you said Alex S or Jawscvmcdia you are wrong: he was never popular.

    #228385

    Dollar Pound

    what’s a shark?

    #228388

    Pete Part Three
    #228585

    PFMC84

    Well, Mr French man, we don’t like your design work around here. And we certainly don’t like French DVD cover designers poncing around in their black polo-necks filling everyone’s heads with their theories about how Red Dwarf’s 9th broadcast television series is not actually called “series 9” and the absurdity of the concept that it is! Clear?

    #228586

    PFMC84

    Oh, and Kryten using a builders hat with some foam padding as a cloche was jumping the shark

    #228590

    flanl3

    Whenever I’m in a Red Dwarf discussion space apart from here or TOS, my rule of thumb is always that anybody who calls Back to Earth “9” or “IX” is not worth listening to or trying to talk to.

    Please don’t ruin that for me.

    #228592

    RamesesNiblickTheThird

    Series XIII with that Fonzie cameo.

    Other wise Series VII is the closest in a way with Ace Rimmer ‘Jumping the alligator’

    #228608

    Ben Saunders

    There are moments in VII which feel more absurd than the usual Dwarf fare (surfing alligators, using dental floss as rope and supporting the weight of a fully grown adult female with one of your most likely poorly maintained front teeth), but which honestly probably aren’t all that ridiculous compared to what happened in the show previously. Dinosaur on a Spaceship is pretty damn absurd, though. But is that so far from DNA? Probably.

    #228611

    International Debris

    The alligator bit in Stoke is meant to be absurd though, it’s a Bond parody.
    The dental floss bit is nonsense, but definitely no more than earlier aspects of the show.
    Dinosaur on a spaceship doesn’t bother me as a concept. It could probably have been done well. Sadly it ended up being Pete Part 2.

    #228612

    clem

    Isn’t it a crocodile in Stoke? I know Ace says “See ya later, alligator!” but obviously he’s just doing a Bond-esque quip. The Germans call it a crocodile in the A-Z. I can’t really remember what it looks like either. Is it alligators that have shorter snouts? (I think this thread might have just jumped the shark.)

    #228613

    bloodteller

    >using dental floss as rope and supporting the weight of a fully grown adult female

    well its set in the future, maybe dental floss is stronger in the future

    #228619

    Ben Saunders

    Are your teeth stronger, too?

    #228635

    PFMC84

    Well it was super glue that was holding it all together. Maybe it was super duper futuristic glue that had mutated, just like the developing fluid from Timeslides, and was ridiculously more powerful?

    #228636

    Jimboid

    > Dinosaur on a spaceship doesn’t bother me as a concept. It could probably have been done well. Sadly it ended up being Pete Part 2.

    There was a decent Doctor Who episode with dinosaurs on a spaceship.

    Can’t remember what it was called.

    #228637

    Ben Saunders

    The super glue was holding it to Lister’s teeth which were ultimately doing the heavy lifting and it is the idea that Lister’s teeth could hold such weight which I am calling into question, not the sturdiness of the floss or the hold of the glue.

    #228640

    PFMC84

    His DNA had been altered so perhaps as a result he has super strong teeth?

    #228641

    Pete Part Three

    I would say they’re all deciding factors in answering the question “could a man lift a woman using only dental floss attached to a front artificial tooth by superglue”.

    The final answer being “Nope, what a shit idea”.

    #228642

    Dave

    There was a decent Doctor Who episode with dinosaurs on a spaceship.

    Can’t remember what it was called.

    I remember it was an Eleventh Doctor episode with a lead role for Matt Smith.

    If it had been a Twelfth Doctor episode it would have featured a Pete part, too.

    #228646

    Ben Saunders

    >If it had been a Twelfth Doctor episode it would have featured a Pete part, too.
    Please explain this joke
    wait no SHIT i got it pete capaldi

    #228650

    bloodteller

    Pete Capaldi-Part 1

    #228653

    Dave

    The joke, there.

    #228655

    Ben Saunders

    To be fair me calling Pete “dinosaur on a spaceship” as a The Joke but I didn’t bring it up

    #228656

    Ben Saunders

    WAS

    #228670

    Ridley

    Explaining the joke is also an VIII reference.

    #228678

    Ben Saunders

    Now that’s what I call meta

    #228739

    Katydid

    Well, you have this thing that makes your hair stand on end. It’s like, a cream of some sort. Grill cream? I don’t know. Well, anyway, Holly says that he’s found this stuff, the hair standing on end stuff, in the supplies. And it’s a cream, right? And he says he’s found stuff that’ll make your hair stand on end, because that’s what the cream does. But it’s like a pun, right, because you think he’s saying it’ll make your hair stand on end like it’s alarming, but it’s actually just Brylcreem. But then he goes and explains that to the audience, in case they didn’t get it.

    And that’s basically the gag.

    #228743

    Pete Part Three

    I don’t get it.

    #228748

    Ben Saunders

    It’s a brill cream joke

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