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At least we’ll have hours and hours of extras to comb through befo- oh

Nah, it’s not at all surprising. I’d imagine they would have looked at the various dates and at least the possibility of doing it sooner, but given the positive reaction of XI I’d imagine UKTV want to make the most of it by spreading it out. We had a whole summer of hype and I reckon they’ll do that again. It’ll also help it be perceived as XII and not XI.5. I’d honestly love it to come in the spring but realistically can’t remotely imagine it.
Plus, it allows the option of filming XIII and XIV in the same way next winter and having a new series four years in a row.

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“They must have looked something like… a roast chicken”

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>There’s also an element of not picking the best angles for the models. The current Red Dwarf is front heavy, the ram scoop is to scale with the pencil, but not the new stubby version, so filming it from a perspective that elongates the ram scoop and foreshortens the ship itself is not great, unfortunately, that’s almost every shot of Red Dwarf that’s appeared in X and XI.

Odd as the new Starbug looks, I definitely prefer it to the current Dwarf model. It’s obvious why they did it that way – it was SO much cheaper than making a new one – but I honestly like the current version less than the pencil. The front cone and ram scoop look so out of scale with the rest of it that it just looks daft. I also don’t like the really small name at the front at all. I know this is something that’s not going to be changed so it’s just moaning for the sake of it, but yeah, I really felt the need to moan for the sake of it.

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If forum is the singular of fora, is a single plant a florum?

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I prefer Norman’s Holly.
I prefer Hattie’s personality.
So I’d be happy with either. Mind you, I can imagine either of them having aged being a problem with certain viewers. “Why’s a computer aged?”

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I’m realistic about it; I’ve accepted that a lot of people will be skeptical about something that seemingly goes against what society at large teaches them. I’m happy with my own gender identity – especially after learning it’s something that’s existed throughout history – and that’s what matters. I don’t expect societal reform on my behalf. If someone believes my gender dysphoria is real, or whether it’s ‘all in my head’, that’s up to them. But I just ask that they accept that *I* believe I’m genderqueer. I always try to be a decent, open minded and unmalicious person, and in return I only hope that people don’t make me the butt of spiteful jokes.

I’m not a teenager who’s adopted a gender identity as part of a lifestyle to attract attention and provocation. I hate arguing about gender; I barely mention it online; and much as I don’t like to, I generally dress down to avoid confrontation that can come from looking femme. I know / hope that does break the stereotype that the original jokes were almost certainly made in reference to.

Anyway, I’m not demanding apologies or anything (a sincere apology comes regardless of demand, and an insincere one is pointless), my only request was some sensitivity around targets of jokes. That said, I think I’ll bow out of this thread because, as I say, I generally hate the shit that comes with these kind of arguments. I love G&T because the shared passion for Red Dwarf makes me really happy, and I don’t want to taint that experience with stuff that makes me unhappy.

If, on the off chance, someone wants to discuss this kind of thing with me in any way whatsoever you can probably find me following G&T people on Twitter.

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We live in a society in which transphobia is still tolerated to a reasonable extent, and despite the acceptance of people being outside the gender binary having existed in myriad cultures throughout history, I know it’s something that a lot of people are still unhappy with in modern western society. I’m not interested in an argument on the matter or anything of the kind, which is simply why I asked politely if you could not make any more jokes. Whether you believe gender dysphoria like mine is a genuine thing or just me being a loony, one way or another it’s something that affects my mental wellbeing on a daily basis and therefore I’d prefer it if you’d have the compassion to take my feelings into account. Thanks.

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Because I’m genderqueer and thus seeing gender dysphoria such as mine used as a punchline of a joke is pretty unpleasant.

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Any chance we can stop with the non-binary jokes now?

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Once again the bizarre situation that in 2016 they can’t do something as good as 1989. They haven’t bothered me massively, but I’ve definitely noticed at times they pull me out of the action a little, feeling a bit false.

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Depending on which particular group of fans we’re talking about, the answer is ‘no’, ‘hell no’ or ‘noooooooo’

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Give & Take
Samsara
Officer Rimmer
Krysis
Can of Worms
Entangled (with a sympathetic view of the last 10 minutes being rushed)
Lemons
Twentica
The Beginning
Trojan
Fathers and Suns
Dear Dave
Back to Earth

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Dwarffacts

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Does this make Kochanski Yoko?

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I’d include a repeat run of Dimension Jump in there somewhere just for full-on VI off-air tape nostalgia.

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Jason, you need the full blockquote tag at the start, complete with closing bracket, then your quote, then /blockquote (in triangular brackets) to close.

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Pete Tranter’s Sister

The board member, not the character from the show.

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In terms of script and jokes, only the first half of Twentica shared the same problems as X for me. Otherwise I felt the general writing was considerably better – funnier and more believable. The plots were more imaginative and interesting, the whole thing looked better.
XI hasn’t been perfect by any means, but there’s been very little that’s made me cringe or feels embarrassed to be watching. X I like, but I definitely get those moments.

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It wouldn’t work whatsoever for me this week unless I installed Microsoft Silverlight.

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If you play every Blackadder theme synced up it explains proof that the first series was based on documented fact.

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That’s literally the only thing I’m ever going to be able to hear in the theme now.
Holy shit.

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No.

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I was hoping for something a bit more batty than ‘there are eyes on the DVD covers’

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Curry pot noodles are fine. Hardly a culinary masterpiece but as far as instant, unhealthy crap goes, pot noodles are pretty tasty.

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Make one!

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I introduced my girlfriend to the show six years ago, and it was almost like watching it anew – I certainly laughed a lot more simply through the joy of her laughing. It’s an experience I’d strongly recommend.

She HATED VI.

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Other than people waiting for a slow character based episode of course.

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I still think VI is funny, certainly. There are some incredible jokes in there and some incredibly funny scenes overall. It was my first proper Dwarf (after vaguely watching V on its first run), and so the look of the show has a huge nostalgic pull for me. But it lacks the ‘heart’ of the previous series, for me. By removing the mothership, the characters have little opportunity to live normally, and thus they become less believable for me. Every element seems to be action-based, or a quick-fire joke, and I just need the occasional slow moments to allow the characters to really flourish. V is action-heavy, but there are just enough character moments to make it work for me. So yes, VI is definitely a funny series, but it just feels a bit hollow in comparison to what came before.

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I get where he’s coming from with VI – I do think it lacks the depths of the first five series, and it’s definitely my least favourite of the classic 36. It’s very interesting to see his thoughts and him being so critical at the time though.

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I’ve just Googled Jeremy Bentham and discovered his relationship to The Gunfighters. I generally keep as far away from Who fandom as possible so had absolutely no idea about this. My opinion on The Gunfighters stems from trying to watch the story on DVD, which was one of the least pleasurable things I’ve ever attempted in the pursuit of pleasure.

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You know when you’re having a nice day and then someone mentions The Gunfighters

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Good thread this.

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Why / how are there two independent Hollys?

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How did the nanobots bring the crew back if their remains had been flushed into space?

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Krytie TV: if it’s so easy for them to escape the tank and get into somebody’s quarters, why the fuck has nobody else done it? They do it twice with absolutely no trouble at all, and yet the series is based around them being ‘stuck’ in the prison.

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Other than Blackadder (for very obvious reasons), did any other series differentiate between series on screen?

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I preferred it when there wasn’t a number on screen. Partially because it felt like it was one ongoing thing, rather than being split into individual series, and partially because the numbering only came into play with VII and thus I will forever associate it with the ‘not as good as the best stuff’ era of the show, even if XI is definitely challenging that split.

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I’ve often seen it referred to as a miniseries. To be pronounced min-izereez.

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It was obviously a question written in the style of the Amazon US descriptions.

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The model pencil ship is better than the CG one admittedly, and the shortened version is better than the pencil, but to be honest I only really like the original design.

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I’m so glad the movie didn’t happen. A fucking reboot with Kochanski as a main character, the full crew, the pencil ship and no ten year gap for Doug to realise how bad VIII was. Discovering that the kidney stone scene in Lemons was originally based on the characters operating on Hollister was enough to remind me how fucking awful the film probably would have been.

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After watching the lot of them umpteen times, I find the first series the one I’m less inclined to come back to*, just through it generally being less textured (both visually and in terms of of script and characterisation). Humour-wise it’s fucking excellent, but it’s only at Me² that the rewatchability level really steps up.

*other than VII and VIII, of course. I’ve only watched those two once in the last, seven or eight years.

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Crew of Red Dwarf in visiting the same part of the cargo bay twice shocker!

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I’ve never been that fond of Last Human. It just feels a bit too populated. Backwards manages to have half the book set on 20th century Earth and still focuses largely on the main four, whereas Last Human has such a large cast despite being set in deep space. Is the title a joke, by the way? Given that it features Kochanski, alternate Lister and Rimmer’s son as important characters. It’s a pretty good SF novel, but I just find Backwards funnier and just overall more Dwarfy.

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Yes. Yes we fucking do.

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It’s got to be blue. The whole series is blue so far.

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The placing of the logo matches the X spine, obviously, which makes sense to me.

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And yet, in The Beginning, he talks about dying in the radiation leak.

I really, really don’t like the Timeslides reset. I generally try and forget about it.

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Lister must have been really fucked off when that didn’t happen.

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It wouldn’t necessarily create a paradox – there was nothing to stop him going back to Earth.

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