The Other Place

[Spare Hand One]

There’s some nice Dwarf chat over on CaB at the moment, including some love for G&T on the current page (p15).

https://www.cookdandbombd.co.uk/forums/index.php?topic=117721.0

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[Ian Symes]

That’s lovely to read – both Red Dwarf itself and G&T specifically getting anything other than complete derision on there seemed impossible at one point! 

[Dave]

There was an era a long time ago when complete derision seemed to be standard for that forum, but reading that thread it seems to be quite a lovely place now.

[Ian Symes]

Yeah, there was some sort of tribal feud between CaB and NOTBBC around 20-25 years ago, and given that John Hoare and I met on NOTBBC, it was clear which side we were on. But there must have been so much turnover of membership in that staggeringly long time, and us OGs are all so much older and hopefully wiser. Anyone who chooses to spend their precious time discussing comedy in fine detail on an old-school forum in this day and age is absolutely fine by me. 

[Dave]

Yeah, exactly.

I was a NotBBCer too (which I think is where I first met you Ian and found my way to G&T) so probably formed the opinion for that reason.

Certainly there was not so much bad blood that I couldn’t be delighted when CaB got a mention on Inside No. 9 a few years back.

[International Debris]

I’m 20+ years a CaBber, I certainly remember the days when any comedy after 1995, and anything after 1985 that wasn’t overly satirical would get nothing but hate from a very vocal minority who completely dominated Comedy Chat. It wasn’t a massively fun place back then and yeah, Red Dwarf was among those shows that was pretty heavily mocked. 

These days it’s a pretty balanced and welcoming place, and I was happy to see some love for G&T lately. 

[Moonlight]

It’s weird existing in fandom spaces online for decades and watching the ebb and flow of different eras of a franchise fall in and out and possibly back into favor over the years.

[Asclepius]

This place and that place keep my sanity levels in a place that keeps me ticking along in a relatively sustainable fashion. Is it that people grew up? Speaking as someone who was a colossal prick of an edgelord from my first forays onto the Internet in the mid 1990s until about, well, when was it? Tories getting in in 2010, I think, it’s encouraging to see these places that used to thrive on cheap laughs, punching down, mocking everything, become havens of kindness and tolerance.

[Ian Symes]

When venturing further into Comedy Chat, I was at first simply relieved to see which side they’d taken with regards to Linehan, and then delighted with just how vehemently they’ve nailed their colours (in this case, a pink, blue and white flag) to the mast. In my experience, early-00s edgelords from comedy forums can go one of two ways, and transphobia seems to be one of the biggest indicators of whether people have brought their youthful liberalism with them into middle age, or become the type of prick they used to despise. 

[Dave]

[Flap Jack]

Wow, I’d never even heard of this forum until now. This must be what German football fans feel like when they learn that English fans consider Germany to be their arch-rival.

It is funny to read a thread of people “coming out” as Red Dwarf fans though. Of a time I get it might have been embarrassing to admit it in general company, but in a space specifically for comedy fans? Maybe if the Cook’d and Bomb’d community matures that bit more, people there might even get brave enough to confess they like Gavin & Stacey.

[International Debris]

When venturing further into Comedy Chat, I was at first simply relieved to see which side they’d taken with regards to Linehan, and then delighted with just how vehemently they’ve nailed their colours (in this case, a pink, blue and white flag) to the mast. In my experience, early-00s edgelords from comedy forums can go one of two ways, and transphobia seems to be one of the biggest indicators of whether people have brought their youthful liberalism with them into middle age, or become the type of prick they used to despise. 

Oh, it’s possibly the most trans-friendly place I’ve been online outside of dedicated LGBTQ+ spaces. The Glinner coverage has been enough for him to actually hit back against the place (labelling everyone there a “failed comedy writer”). 

[Unrumble]

[Nick R]

Few things on the internet are documented as thoroughly as CaB has documented Glinner’s behaviour since around 2019.

[theycallhernebraska]

Maybe if the Cook’d and Bomb’d community matures that bit more, people there might even get brave enough to confess they like Gavin & Stacey.

Suggesting the world is split between petty edgelords and Gavin and Stacey enjoyers is a truly cursed thought to just throw out there into the world.

Conference, we need a third way.

[Asclepius]

Few things on the internet are documented as thoroughly as CaB has documented Glinner’s behaviour since around 2019.

Few things on the internet are documented as thoroughly as GTV has documented Rimmer’s behaviour since around 2020.

[Flap Jack]

Suggesting the world is split between petty edgelords and Gavin and Stacey enjoyers is a truly cursed thought to just throw out there into the world.

Well I didn’t intend to! The real binary is between people who believe liking things that are modern and/or have mainstream popularity is bad on principle, and people who don’t believe that.

[Ridley]

 Oh, it’s possibly the most trans-friendly place I’ve been online outside of dedicated LGBTQ+ spaces.

I’m interpreting this as G&T being a G&T place.

[Ian Symes]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Someone photoshop Lister painting the ship the colours of the trans flag 

[Moonlight]

G&T is gay now? Finally, I can stop pretending the short haircut I tried last year was the result of a fire.

[Flap Jack]

G&T is gay now?

[Ian Symes]

[Dave]

By keeping the brush red it makes it look like Lister is about to paint over the flag.

RED TERF

[Unrumble]

[Ian Symes]

There, now he’s just putting the finishing touches to the top bit of this flag.

[Ben Saunders]

I love and am one of the gays but fuck me is the “complete” pride flag an ugly mess of clashing colours. The rainbow was already supposed to refer to, you know, all the colours of the rainbow. The trans flag is beautiful on its own but just sticking it that to the left of the rainbow was a choice.

Did anybody do Lister painting an England flag on the ‘Dwarf like it’s a big roundabout when all that nonsense was kicking off?

[Dave]

[Captain Bollocks]

[International Debris]

The rainbow was already supposed to refer to, you know, all the colours of the rainbow. 

Sadly we’re well into the era of it being used by “LGB without the T” types, so I get why there’s a fuller one now. Agreed on the aesthetic issue, though.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Anyone that isn’t a straight white racist football hooligan should start just waving the England Flag just to really piss them off 

Better Off, double side it. England on one, pride/trans/combined whatever on the other 

[Jonathan Capps]

CaB has been the subject of some truly shameful moments from myself over the years. I sometimes wish the internet was withheld from me until at least my 30s.

[RunawayTrain]

CaB has been the subject of some truly shameful moments from myself over the years. I sometimes wish the internet was withheld from me until at least my 30s.

I’m forever grateful that the vast majority of the rubbish I wrote on the internet was (is) contained within LiveJournal.  Twitter got some of the immaturity but nothing tooo cringeworthy.

[Ben Saunders]

Facebook has a lovely feature called On This Day that reminds you of what you were posting on this day in previous years… I have sneakily deleted a small number of slightly racist or misogynist or othewise cringe posts I made (not that many, don’t worry). But it made me think damn, teenage boys just be saying anything for basically no reason.

[Technopeasant]

I mean, I find those mostly just remind me of all my dead pets…

[Ben Saunders]

Your dog was racist. He just couldn’t tell you

[Technopeasant]

No, I couldn’t find the original clip, so this YouTuber referencing it I already had on my phone will have to do…

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