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  • #1674
    Ben Kirkham
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    I was watching ‘Back to Reality’ yesterday for the 19,000,000th time, and it got me thinking about great stoylines in Red Dwarf. So, here’s the question: what’s your favourite storyline and why?

    #85348

    Wow this thread died a death.

    #85350
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Well, there’s a distinction between favourite episode and favourite story. BTR is my favourite episode. Thanks for the Memory is my favourite story.

    As Rob Grant says; it’s a whodunnit on a near-deserted ship. Completely baffling until the last five minutes. Very, very clever.

    #85351
    Zombie Jim Undead
    Participant

    Thanks for the Memory is a lovely little bag of goodness.

    #85353
    Phil
    Participant

    My favorite story is the one about Ian Symes and that rooster.

    #85354
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    I like the one about the little mouse with clogs on.

    #85355
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Future Echoes.

    #85373
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    Ditto.

    #85375
    James
    Participant

    White Hole

    #85394
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    The Inquisitor.

    #85395
    TheLeen
    Participant

    And Queeg.

    #85400
    Zombie Jim Undead
    Participant

    “Bob”.

    #85405
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    My favourite story is the one of the utterly demented, genuinely mentally deficient and just plain evil “hockey Mom” who becomes one of the most powerful women in the world. I think it was a Disney film, or something? Too outlandish to ever happen, anyway!!!111

    #85427

    > My favourite story is the one of the utterly demented, genuinely mentally deficient and just plain evil ?hockey Mom? who becomes one of the most powerful women in the world. I think it was a Disney film, or something? Too outlandish to ever happen, anyway!!!111

    I think you all ought to know that I lol’d. Big time.

    #85437
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > My favourite story is the one of the utterly demented, genuinely mentally deficient and just plain evil ?hockey Mom? who becomes one of the most powerful women in the world. I think it was a Disney film, or something? Too outlandish to ever happen, anyway!!!111

    Got your alarm set from 2am on Friday morning? I can’t wait!

    #85438
    hummingbird
    Participant

    >BTR is my favourite episode. Thanks for the Memory is my favourite story.

    Me too. Although Marooned would come a very close second.

    #85456

    My favourite story is the one of the utterly demented, genuinely mentally deficient and just plain evil ?hockey Mom? who becomes one of the most powerful women in the world. I think it was a Disney film, or something? Too outlandish to ever happen, anyway!!!111

    Oh, that is just so gosh-darned unrealistic it’s hilarious. And that’s why I’m crying at the thought of it. Must be. (Altho’ according to this site, Obama has a ton of electors compared to McCain, so it’s not quite time to panic yet.)

    That said, Thanks for the Memory is an excellent story. I’m also kind of a softy for Holoship. And for the sake of rounding out my post, I’m also a fan of the rippled abs–engaging symbolism, sorry, in Terrorform.

    #85475
    locusceruleus
    Participant

    Holoship always left me really cold, I just don’t feel it, and that’s plain sad. I kind of know its good, and can see why I should like it, but it just doesn’t move me on any level.

    Thanks For The Memory on the other hand is a perfect example of how Red Dwarf can be really moving, thought-provoking stuff without shoving its vagina in your face.

    #85484
    hummingbird
    Participant

    Holoship always left me really cold, I just don?t feel it, and that?s plain sad. I kind of know its good, and can see why I should like it, but it just doesn?t move me on any level.

    I really like Holoship.
    But not for the whole Rimmer/Nirvanah aspect – the “romantic” aspect is irrelevant. That’s not even what the ep is about.

    I like it because it explores Rimmer’s character in much the same way it did in Marooned: his response to somone else’s self-sacrifice – or perceived self-sacrifice in Marooned.
    In essence it’s the same story, except for Rimmer the stakes are bigger in Holoship as in the end he’s losing far more.
    In that way it’s up there with Thanks.

    Lurve don’t enter into it. I never bought that anyway.
    To put it all down to love is actually trivialising what they’re showing us about the character, which is that there is actually something more to him under all that crap.

    #85486
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Holoship is a good story, and has some really funny bits. But I can’t watch it. Supposedly super-sexy Nirvanah’s voice irritates me. Completely puts me off.

    #85488
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I think Holoship’s only major problem is having to squeeze so much into 28 minutes. We don’t really get a handle on why Nirvanah loves Rimmer and vice versa.

    #85489
    TheLeen
    Participant

    It can happen, like that. You can fall in love in an instant.

    #85490
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yeah, that’s fine but Nirvanah’s love seems to stem from feeling sorry for Rimmer which isn’t a great place to be.

    Rimmer pretty much comes across as deeply sympathetic throughout the episode which is fine for changing the audience perceptions, less believable for seducing a high-flying officer.

    #85491
    hummingbird
    Participant

    >It can happen, like that. You can fall in love in an instant.

    True. But I don’t buy it from Rimmer’s POV.
    Throughout the ep his reasons for wanting to be on the Enlightenment are all about career and status. Not once do you get the impression that he’s doing it to be with her. Even when he thinks he’s failed, it’s all about him not achieving his dream, it’s not about losing her. That’s why I don’t buy it.

    #85496
    Andrew
    Participant

    Question: Would the deleted scenes actually improve the episode’s ‘flaws’?

    I’m honestly not sure it’s a time issue with Holoship, so much as Rob and Doug’s strengths being in areas other than romantic pathos.

    #85504
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    There’s an awkward bit after Rimmer and Nirvanah have sex and Rimmer is already professing his love for her. It actually cheapens their “romance” because it makes it look like he’s fallen for her just on the basis that she’s the second woman who’s given him a shag.

    I quite like it when he thanks her for the weirdest afternoon of his life, but it’s over-played.

    I thought there would have been more mileage in the mind-patch thing. The fact that Rimmer’s essentially going to give up his personality; but that’s the thing that Nirvanah seems to love about him.

    #85507
    Zombie Jim Undead
    Participant

    I think that Nirvanah falls for Rimmer because he’s unlike anyone she knows – flawed, vulnerable and self-doubting. He makes her feel things she never felt with anyone on the Enlightenment.

    Rimmer falls for her because she’s the only person who’s ever seen him as anything other than an arse.

    #85516
    Phil
    Participant

    ^^
    Right. Zombie Jim is right.

    And Holoship is brilliant from start to finish.

    I hate all of you who disagree and you’re cunts.

    #85529
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Holoship is a fine episode.

    >Holoship is a good story, and has some really funny bits. But I can?t watch it. Supposedly super-sexy Nirvanah?s voice irritates me. Completely puts me off.

    Have you heard the actress’s real accent? Heh, heh. The sheer difference is fascinating. (I’m easily fascinated.)

    #85540
    Dave
    Participant

    Gulliver’s Travels

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