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  • #222819
    NoFro
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    Red Dwarf XII is now up for pre-order on Amazon UK. Release date November 20th.

    Only a DVD at the moment. Hopefully that changes…

    #222821
    flanl3
    Participant

    Argh. Seems you all are getting it first this time around. The US one is marked for November 21st.

    #222836
    NoFro
    Participant

    Also listed on Base.com. Both DVD and Blu Ray.

    #222850
    McAleeCh
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    Here’s hoping there’s also a steelbook release with the XI episode titles listed on the back…! ; )

    #222853

    Slightly unimpressed (but, given it was the first promo shot, not surprised) with the ‘Everybody’s Kryten’ cover. The last two have just had generic crew shots, which I think would suit it a little better.

    #222854
    (deleted)
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    Yeah, I’d have gone for the standard XII bunkroom publicity pic as per X and XI. I like that photo but it’s going to confuse people in ASDA. It almost resembles a pic they’d use on a VHS ‘Byte’, too specific for a full series. Am I right in saying that this isn’t even a large portion of the episode?

    Also, it’s still weird that so much of the marketing revolves around episode *2*.

    #222856
    Dave
    Participant

    Am I right in saying that this isn’t even a large portion of the episode?

    Maybe we can wait until we’ve had a chance to see it before we answer that.

    #222857
    (deleted)
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    I’m only going off the set report, I may be wrong.

    #222861

    Yeah, I think the images of Lister and Rimmer in Kryten get-up as part of the reverse sleeve, I-VIII-style, would work fine, but it does seem to look a bit like ‘This is the series where they’re all Kryten!’

    #222868
    NoFro
    Participant

    Yeah if you’re not familiar with the show you’re probably going to think it’s a whole show about robots. That might grab some people, I guess.

    #222869
    Moonlight
    Participant

    This is NOT necessarily the final cover. It’s missing the Dave logo like on the XI cover, and XI’s listing originally came with that atrocious temp cover missing The Cat. Everyone freaked out over that when it was obviously some shitty temp Photoshop job.

    …maybe because Series X’s cover looked like a shitty temp Photoshop job.

    My point is this is almost certainly not the final cover, and we’re most likely getting the standard crew shot to match XI.

    #223177
    (deleted)
    Participant

    Tip if you haven’t got Prime – Amazon’s pre-order price is currently about £22, which means that you can get it with free postage without having to add anything to it, and they’re guaranteed to drop the price considerably before release.

    #223192
    si
    Participant

    The Blu-ray is £16.99 on Zavvi, DVD £14.99.

    #223197
    (deleted)
    Participant

    Amazon’s will be at least that too soon, whatever HMV price it as basically will dictate the online stores. But at least I can get it Super Saver without having to add any other bumph. I’ve spent enough lately…

    #223198
    (deleted)
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    Amazon always overprice early on as it makes the discounts look better once they’ve been added to everyone’s wishlists. But it never stays there, it’s just a bit of psychology. At least this way I can play them at their own game.

    #223474
    Jape of the Decade
    Participant

    Any more details emerging regarding the DVD/Blu-ray release? It’s still showing up on Amazon with the ‘Everyone is Kryten’ cover (I’m hopeful this isn’t the actual chosen cover), but as we are nearing the end of the season just wandering if there had been more detail regarding the release, art work, special features etc…?

    #223475
    cwickham
    Participant

    Nothing’s gone through the BBFC yet, which I find surprising.

    #223486
    sd99
    Participant

    DVD on amazon is now down to 12.99 btw

    #223654
    cwickham
    Participant

    Well, we now know David Ross is on the XII docco.

    #223682
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    On word on a steelbook yet? Nothing listed on Amazon so far.

    #224173
    sd99
    Participant

    Any word on the flip cover? I assume there will be one?

    #224244

    <blockquote cite=”Well, we now know David Ross is on the XII docco.
    https://twitter.com/NathanCubitt/status/926568238884024321″&gt;

    “Part exchange welcome” — Now *there’s* a Cat-insulting-Rimmer gag just waiting to be used.

    #224245

    Rats.

    #224323
    sd99
    Participant

    Nice to see you know who from Skipper on the spine of the alternative DVD.

    #224324
    si
    Participant

    Nice to see you know who from Skipper on the spine of the alternative DVD.

    Yeah, good job people buying episodes of Red Dwarf on DVD have usually seen them on TV, or at least have some knowledge of what happens (from TV trailers etc), or else it’d be like putting ‘JE’S A GHOST’

    #224325
    si
    Participant

    Fuck this phone and it’s autocorrect and inability to post properly.

    *ahem*

    …it’d be like putting ‘HE’S A GHOST!’ on the front cover of that film. You know the one.

    #224326
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Ghostbusters?

    #224327
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    no i think he means The Sixth Sense

    #224328
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >it’d be like putting ‘HE’S A GHOST!’ on the front cover of that film. You know the one.

    Or the Statue of Liberty on the front of the Planet of the Apes cover.

    Oh. Wait.

    #224330
    (deleted)
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    Anyone spotted the strapline which offers “140 minutes of extras”? That’s 50 more than XI had…

    #224331
    Lily
    Participant

    >it’d be like putting ‘HE’S A GHOST!’ on the front cover of that film. You know the one.

    Ghost?

    #224332
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >no i think he means The Sixth Sense

    There’s no ghost in the Sixth Sense. I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of Unbreakable.

    #224333
    sd99
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    > Anyone spotted the strapline which offers “140 minutes of extras”? That’s 50 more than XI had…

    I’m hoping 28 of those are the *real* version of Timewave and Doug was just having a joke with the one that’s been show on telly…

    50 mins is a lot extra tho – extended episodes maybe?

    That’s also 2 blue covers in a row…

    #224335

    Not keen on blue again, although it’s contrasted with white. Also having all four in the corner rather than just Lister and Rimmer. I’ll probably be keeping the ‘official’ cover.

    #224336

    50 mins is a lot extra tho – extended episodes maybe?

    Or just up to the standard of the previous ones.

    #224337
    (deleted)
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    That’s 70 minutes more if you count the gap left by 20 minutes of model shots we’ve already had.

    I’d be happy with a documentary that doesn’t feel chopped down to fit a time limit, a fuller selection of deleted scenes, and a Smeg Ups reel like we used to get. That was the biggest heartbreak of the XI release, especially after how *perfect* the one on X was. All my issues with the XI extras were down to them rushing and skipping – what was there was great, there just wasn’t enough of it.

    #224338
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >There’s no ghost in the Sixth Sense. I’m pretty sure you’re thinking of Unbreakable.

    Don’t start that again, Seb.

    #224348
    cwickham
    Participant

    I suspect most of the runtime is a longer documentary – we already know that XII didn’t go quite as swimmingly as XI did.

    #224349

    I wonder if the slightly disappointed reaction to the undercooked extras of XI played any part in this lengthier selection. If the documentary is as in-depth as the I-X ones, and the deleted scenes and smeg ups are all left intact, then that’s likely as good an extras package as we can realistically expect at this point, and one I’d be more than satisfied with.

    #224350
    si
    Participant

    Realised earlier that the reverse sleeve is the first of that ‘traditional’ template to feature all four cast members. It’s usually just Rimmer and Lister, even if the other side features all of them.

    So that’s interesting, innit?

    #224353
    Renegade Rob
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    Meh. It’s a decent group shot but one that’s would better belong on the back. As a fan of consistency, I really would’ve liked shots of just Rimmer and Lister. Like Old M-Corp Lister and either Mechocracy Candidate Rimmer or Skipper old-school Rimmer. Even just the two of them as Krytens would have been fine. But four is right out.

    #224354
    si
    Participant

    As a fan of consistency, I really would’ve liked shots of just Rimmer and Lister.

    Me too, absolutely.

    ‘Fan of consistency’ and ‘anal, pedantic bastard’ are the same thing, right?

    #224357
    Renegade Rob
    Participant

    One hundred percent.

    #224358
    cwickham
    Participant

    Hitler or Aniter should’ve been on the spine. (Maybe even Talkie Toaster.) I get why they’ve gone for Holly, but it’s going to annoy me no end.

    #224359
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I don’t actually buy the DVDs any more. (I know, I’m awful). Do they still alternate the size of the “series x” font on the spine, just to cover the mistake they made with Series Two?

    #224360
    Moonlight
    Participant

    I suspect most of the runtime is a longer documentary – we already know that XII didn’t go quite as swimmingly as XI did.

    Perhaps Series XII just has more story to tell.

    #224362
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Oh, and let’s not forget that the XII doc could potentially address the overall production in a more retrospective manner. XI’s simply could not do that for virtue of half the episodes still being a year away, and for presumably being locked down before any of its own episodes had aired.

    #224363
    si
    Participant

    )Do they still alternate the size of the “series x” font on the spine

    Unforgivably, the series number on the covers of series XI & XII aren’t in bold. And on the XII sleeve cover, the ‘XII’ is the same size as the ‘RED DWARF’.

    I know. Shocking, isn’t it?

    #224364
    cwickham
    Participant

    Rundown of the XI extras
    Behind the scenes: 52 mins 48 secs
    Deleted scenes: 14 mins
    Smeg Ups: 5 mins 35 secs
    Trailers & promos: 2 mins 55 secs
    VFX: 1 min 37 secs
    Model shots: 19 mins 30 secs
    Photo gallery: 5 mins 25 secs

    Totalling about 102 mins. Note that the XI cover advertises ‘over 90 mins’, so presumably doesn’t include the photo gallery in that runtime. Either way, we can presume that the XII DVD has put on about 38 mins. So a longer docco and more deleted scenes?

    #224365
    Me Own Stunts
    Participant

    > Rundown of the XI extras

    We probably don’t need to speculate about the Red Dwarf XI DVD release anymore, though.

    #224366
    flanl3
    Participant

    50 extra minutes approximately accounts for all the deleted scenes from Cured.

    #224373

    I, personally, am looking forward to Timewave Xtended, which runs for 65 minutes, and includes five minutes of the camp chap mincing around going ‘ooh’ in a very effeminate way while Cat and Lister projectile vomit.

    #224401
    Renegade Rob
    Participant

    I would actually respect it if the 50 minutes is an Xtended Mechocracy with the final scene with Talkie and Rimmer stretched out 50 minutes with Talkie’s “would you like some toast” non-stop and then Rimmer’s face slowly changing into different levels of anguish.

    #224413

    70 minutes extra must be for the audio commentaries?

    #224415
    cwickham
    Participant

    Audio commentaries generally aren’t included in the extras runtime. So no.

    #224417

    I also doubt they’d do commentaries on two and a third episodes.

    #224427
    Renegade Rob
    Participant

    They get a third of the way through Timewave and are like, “Nope. Can’t do it. We’re out.”

    #224435
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The Timewave commentary would be half Robert saying “now this is funny, oh look at that CGI”, and half Danny shouting “CLASSIC LINE! CLASSIC LINE!”, just like all the rest. With a light sprinkling of Chris saying “I don’t remember any of this”. Craig is off (being) sick.

    #224437
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    weren’t the commentaries mostly “oooh chris, ham and cheese” “lunchbox HAM” and other things such as that? i haven’t actually listened to many of them so i don’t really know if they’re all like that.

    i do remember one Series VII commentary where everyone was unsure if the 2D shitty CGI starbug was a model or not, though

    #224441
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Oh yes, they spend around 40% of the runtime of the entire show calling things either ham or pony. There’s a VI commentary where Bobby watches a model shot, and says “ah yes, look at that lovely CGI – can’t do that with models!”

    #224453
    flanl3
    Participant

    All 50 extra minutes are just one shot in the documentary where Doug Naylor is adding as many words as he can to an insult about millennials.

    #224462
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Millennials Are Killing Doug Naylor

    #224470

    The cast commentaries are quite funny, despite all the constant repeating ham jokes and fairly terrible taste when it comes to the show (“This one is classic Dwarf” – Bobby, on Krytie TV), it’s really nice to hear the guys having a nice time. But they’re rarely that informative, and often full of mistakes.
    Doug’s commentary BtE and the Rob & Doug / Doug & Ed commentaries on the Bodysnatcher box are by far the best.

    #224473
    (deleted)
    Participant

    I don’t go to the cast commentaries for trivia, I go for pure comfort.

    #224480
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I listen to one and feel like I’ve heard them all.

    #224493
    bloodteller
    Blocked

    the commentary on The End: The Original Assembly is truly where it’s at, featuring such highlights as-

    ROB GRANT (miming Todhunter): There are five people on this ship, Rimmer…

    DOUG- the audience was full of old ladies who thought they were watching A Question of Sport

    ROB GRANT: do we really believe this is the Drive Room of a ship 3 miles long… it’s one step away from just having a bloody steering wheel.

    the other commentaries on the Bodysnatcher Collection were quite good too tbh

    #224497
    cwickham
    Participant

    The Bodysnatcher Collection is the best DVD set ever released.

    #224498
    Renegade Rob
    Participant

    How awesome was Norman on the VIII commentary? Classic.

    #224500
    si
    Participant

    Ages since I listened to the commentaries. They’re brilliant, but the problem is how they age. Those first couple of series are 15 years old now, and there are dated references and all-sorts. Even Red Dwarf VIII was in pretty recent memory at the time.

    #224501

    I like the commentaries a lot and they are greatly missed. Hoping they return for the final box set when the show ends.

    Part of the extra minutes could be for the ‘When everyone was Kryten’ documentary which is surely inevitable??

    #224508
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    As much as I make fun of the commentaries, I do rather enjoy them. Having Chris Barrie commentate on the whole of VII should be interesting.

    #224509

    If you you want to be reminded how great everyone is together listen to the empire podcast which has just been posted in the other thread.

    #224521
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Hitler or Aniter should’ve been on the spine.

    I just adore the idea of featuring Hitler on the spine.

    #224522
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I’d be afraid some places (particularly specific countries in Europe) might refuse to stock it, if it had Hitler on the cover.

    That said, I wonder how Cured went down in Germany? I know videogames such as Wolfenstein 3D and Doom had difficulties over there due to Nazi imagery, but does camp Not Hitler count as Nazi imagery? Or have they gotten over it since the 90s? I’m sure the public were fine with it – there’s nothing objectionable in the show – but what did the censor people think?

    Wolf 3D had them remove all the moustaches off of the Hitler paintings so they just looked like some vaguely Hitler-esque dude.

    I don’t know how to phrase “went down in Germany” better, that’s not exactly what I mean, but it’s as close as I can get. Basically I’m asking if having Hitler in things is OK now.

    #224523
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Great, now I’m googling whether or not you’re allowed to use Hitler’s likeness without paying his family/somebody

    #224524
    Moonlight
    Participant

    I’d be afraid some places (particularly specific countries in Europe) might refuse to stock it, if it had Hitler on the cover.

    This is exactly the kind of reason I adore the idea of featuring Hitler on the spine. It’d be gratuitously controversial in certain people’s eyes.

    #224529
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I think that’s the same thought behind putting Timewave on the DVD

    #224530
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Yes, but as one long Deleted Scene.

    #224540
    flanl3
    Participant

    30 minutes of extras will be a feature entitled “more entertaining than Timewave” and will be half an hour of all sorts of incredibly entertaining things like Craig squawking around at the end of Quarantine, the entire cast saying that people didn’t like Back to Earth because they didn’t have laughs, and the scene where Hollister explains Pete’s full meal and what happened next stretched out to take seven minutes.

    #224545
    Hamish
    Participant

    > This is exactly the kind of reason I adore the idea … It’d be gratuitously controversial in certain people’s eyes.

    Like having a camp man in a pink dress. They should have put Ziggy on the spine.

    #224558
    Me Own Stunts
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    #224559
    Me Own Stunts
    Participant

    Okay, that didn’t work. It was a spine-ready image of Ziggy, anyway.

    #224565
    si
    Participant

    *follows link* Well played.

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