Home › Forums › Ganymede & Titan Forum › RIP John Hughes Search for: This topic has 97 replies, 21 voices, and was last updated 16 years, 9 months ago by Andrew. Scroll to bottom Creator Topic August 6, 2009 at 9:52 pm #4276 ori-STUDFARMParticipant According to the way Twitter has kicked off, it looks as though the king of 80’s teenage angst movies has died aged 59 from a heart attack. Loved his movies as a teen. Ferris Buellor, Weird Science and Breakfast Club will always remain favourites. Creator Topic Viewing 50 replies - 1 through 50 (of 97 total) 1 2 Author Replies August 6, 2009 at 9:59 pm #101951 AndrewParticipant http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8188778.stm First Blake Snyder – whose Save the Cat I consider the definitive book for mainstream movie structure – now the man who made The Breakfast Club. This has been a bloody awful week. August 6, 2009 at 10:34 pm #101952 AndrewParticipant Dear Mr. Vernon, We accept the fact that we had to sacrifice a whole Saturday in detention for whatever it was we did wrong, but we think you’re crazy to make us write an essay telling you who we think we are. You see us as you want to see us, in the simplest terms and the most convenient definitions. But what we found out is that each one of us is a brain, and an athlete, and a basket case, a princess, and a criminal. Does that answer your question? Sincerely yours, The Breakfast Club. August 7, 2009 at 12:36 am #101955 Ben PaddonParticipant First Blake Snyder – whose Save the Cat I consider the definitive book for mainstream movie structure – now the man who made The Breakfast Club. This has been a bloody awful week. Whoa, whoa. Hold up. Blake died? When?! August 7, 2009 at 12:52 am #101956 AndrewParticipant It has gone disappointingly under-reported. I found out because I went to the guy’s site, planing to email with a small enquiry: http://www.blakesnyder.com Not to hi-jack the Hughes thread, though: August 7, 2009 at 12:55 am #101957 Ben PaddonParticipant Well double-bugger. When I moved to the US, I gave most of my DVDs to my sister so as to reduce the amount of stuff I took over with me. She has all of my Hughes films, and I now wish I had access to at least one of them. Such a shame. August 7, 2009 at 1:20 am #101958 JoParticipant This has made me sad :o( August 7, 2009 at 2:05 am #101959 AndrewParticipant In the last couple of months I’ve re-watched Sixteen Candles, Pretty In Pink, The Breakfast Club, Weird Science, Ferris Beuller and Home Alones 1, 2 and 3 (they’re good, leave me alone). Which exhausts what I have on DVD. Now waiting on an Amazon delivery… August 7, 2009 at 6:53 am #101960 Pete Part ThreeParticipant Bah. Watched Ferris Bueller last week. Will watch The Breakfast Club over the weekend. And Andrew, you watched Home Alone in a month that wasn’t December? That’s wrong, man! August 7, 2009 at 10:13 am #101961 AndrewParticipant In December I watch Scrooged. August 7, 2009 at 11:18 am #101962 Seb PatrickKeymaster >Home Alones 1, 2 and 3 (they?re good, leave me alone) Can’t agree with you on 3, but the first is an utterly classic Christmas film, and the second a solid – if retreading – sequel. August 7, 2009 at 12:51 pm #101968 JoParticipant http://wellknowwhenwegetthere.blogspot.com/2009/08/sincerely-john-hughes.html One of the best things I’ve ever read. August 7, 2009 at 1:05 pm #101969 hummingbirdParticipant > http://wellknowwhenwegetthere.blogspot.com/2009/08/sincerely-john-hughes… > One of the best things I?ve ever read. This. August 7, 2009 at 3:24 pm #101984 Danny StephensonKeymaster http://wellknowwhenwegetthere.blogspot.com/2009/08/sincerely-john-hughes… Wow. That was inspiring. Nice to know that there are still people out there who are willing to listen to the little people. I would have to say that Uncle Buck is one of my all-time favourite films, alongside Weird Science. RIP John Hughes, you will be missed. August 7, 2009 at 3:30 pm #101986 JamesTCParticipant He made Uncle Buck aswell? He is a bloody good writer. Might watch The Breakfast Club tonight. August 7, 2009 at 3:34 pm #101987 Danny StephensonKeymaster I dont have the Breakfast Club on DVD, that will have to change though. I have only seen that film once, and I’ll be honest, I didn’t intend on seeing it at all, i turned over BBC1 when it had just started and though to myself “ah, this is meant to be good”. Now though, having seen it, I really like it. comma. August 7, 2009 at 4:57 pm #101988 mickParticipant To say I was gutted would be a massive understatement, very few things have made me cry, this news was one of them. “I didn’t know John Hughes, but he felt like my friend, he told me ? and millions of others ? that it was OK to be yourself. It meant the world.” August 7, 2009 at 5:13 pm #101989 ori-STUDFARMParticipant Although I love the teenage movies, especially Breakfast Club and Ferris Buellor(…..and Weird Science) my favourite scene from one of his movies has to be in Planes, Trains and Automobiles. Neal- “Del, why did you kiss my ear?” Del- “Why are you holding my hand?” Neal- “Where’s your other hand?” Del- “Between two pillows.” Neal- “Those aren’t pillows!” Classic! August 7, 2009 at 5:37 pm #101991 JamesTCParticipant He written Planes Trains and Automobiles ASWELL!!! Bloody Hell, why isn’t he more famous. August 7, 2009 at 6:38 pm #101993 p2p_productionsParticipant August 7, 2009 at 6:42 pm #101994 AndrewParticipant > Bloody Hell, why isn?t he more famous. Given how well-known he was – despite becoming so reclusive in recent times – I think the question is ‘How did you miss him?’! August 7, 2009 at 7:03 pm #101996 JamesTCParticipant Well I knew he made The Breakfast Club, Weird Science and Home Alone but all these other classic films have never seemed to be mentioned in relation to him, still I only saw the liked of The Breakfast Club, Weird Science and Uncle Buck in the last 3 or 4 years and as you said he was a recluse so maybe that is why. August 7, 2009 at 8:50 pm #102000 Pete Part ThreeParticipant He didn’t “make” Home Alone. Sorry to be pedantic, but I’ve seen this error in a lot of poorly researched obituaries today. August 7, 2009 at 8:58 pm #102002 JamesTCParticipant I was just using it as a loose term for writer. I guess I shouldn’t really, I wouldn’t say that Robert Holmes made ‘The Two Doctors’, I would just say written. August 7, 2009 at 9:37 pm #102004 AndrewParticipant > He didn?t ?make? Home Alone. I’d argue his role as writer and producer – the only producer not credited as an exec – absolutely entitles him to be called ‘maker’. Auteur theory’s fine as a theory, but directing a thing doesn’t always make you its author. August 7, 2009 at 9:57 pm #102006 Pete Part ThreeParticipant Which seemingly means, as a consequence, that Chris Columbus didn’t make Home Alone? It adds a certain weight when that’s how these things are understood. It’s just semantics but, if you directed it, you “made” it. Note the inverted commas. August 7, 2009 at 11:32 pm #102011 AndrewParticipant > Which seemingly means, as a consequence, that Chris Columbus didn?t make Home Alone? Not at all. No more than it means the DP didn’t make it either, despite being there and grafting every day. Given that the public doesn’t always have a grasp of what, exactly, a director even does, it’s not unreasonable for the term ‘maker’ to be applied a little loosely. ‘How these things are understood’ is ‘whose film it is’ not ‘who directed it’. The title is meaningless to many. At very least, ignoring the unreasonable – and constant – bias towards the director in film journalism, surely the person in most creative control is permitted the ‘maker’ title? We’re not talking about tick-box producing in this instance, we’re talking about the producer hiring the director the way the director hired the DP – all in service of the producer’s script. His characters, his story, his visual imperative, his casting, his stylistic flourishes, his relationship to the studio. How is that not ‘making the movie’? ‘John Hughes directed Home Alone’ is an inaccuracy to be corrected. ‘John Hughes made Home Alone’ is base-line true, and at best a judgement call. One depending entirely on how you think your audience will read that statement. And I’d suggest that a film-centric publication could use it with a strong understanding of how that film was created, and generic publications could comfortably argue that plenty of their readers wouldn’t view ‘maker’ as specific to a director’s role, since they may not know what that role truly entails. Which is to say: I don’t believe you can, by default, assume that every use of ‘maker’ is born of ignorance or misunderstanding, since a strong understanding of the production would lead one to see Hughes as at least equally deserving of the title. And, in truth, probably MORE deserving. August 8, 2009 at 12:42 am #102014 pfmParticipant I’ve never seen Sixteen Candles, I’ll have to check it out. With me being born in 1982 I know his best movies will never have the same impact on me as if I had been 11+ at the time, but I still love them, particularly Planes, Trains… Weird Science and Ferris Bueller, and come on who DOESN’T like Home Alone?? Yeah he didn’t direct it, so what. Does anyone know why he stopped directing? August 8, 2009 at 1:49 am #102019 JoParticipant >Does anyone know why he stopped directing? The link above seems to suggest that he became disillusioned with Hollywood and blamed them for overworking and killing his friend John Candy. According to Wiki he retired from the public eye and moved to Wisconsin in 1994. John Candy died in 1994. August 8, 2009 at 6:48 am #102021 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >Which is to say: I don?t believe you can, by default, assume that every use of ?maker? is born of ignorance or misunderstanding, since a strong understanding of the production would lead one to see Hughes as at least equally deserving of the title. And, in truth, probably MORE deserving. Put it this way; Home Alone is a John Hughes Production, a Chris Columbus film. >Surely the person in most creative control is permitted the ?maker? title? In an ideal world, yeah. But I’m not talking about “deserved meaning”, I’m talking about “implied meaning” and you can’t dispute the fact that by “maker”, most people would read “director”. And loathe as I am to use Wikipedia to illustrate a point, see where http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Film_maker takes you. August 8, 2009 at 8:28 am #102022 AndrewParticipant > Put it this way; Home Alone is a John Hughes Production, a Chris Columbus film. So: they both ‘made’ it. No producer, no film. > you can?t dispute the fact that by ?maker?, most people would read ?director?. I think I did dispute just that, since I don’t think the implied meaning is, automatically, director. Nobody would dispute “Broccoli and Wilson, makers of the Bond films, today announced Lee Evans as the next 007”, or “Jerry Bruckheimer, the maker of such popcorn fodder as Top Gun, Con Air and The Rock, was killed today when he was crushed under a crate of ‘sunset’ camera filters.” August 8, 2009 at 9:34 am #102025 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >So: they both ?made? it. No producer, no film. Hughes “made” the production (or, um, “produced” it), Columbus “made” the film. >I think I did dispute just that, since I don?t think the implied meaning is, automatically, director. Maybe not to you. But to the average member of the public, they see “maker” and read “director”. Hence the publicly edited Wikipedia article. It even attempts to clear up the ambiguity of the term in the “director” article, but it still sends you there if you look up “film maker” Your examples blur things very well, but they are famous producers who churn out films as if they’re on a conveyor belt. Try it with “Bob Gale, the maker of Back to the Future, fell out of a tree earlier today while spying on his future wife” and it becomes less succinct. If I told you the maker of Blade Runner had died, you’re likely to assume I was talking about Ridley Scott but, by this logic, I could actually be referring to one of that film’s many producers (of which Scott is only one and an uncredited one at that). This is kind of irrelevant, anyway. My comment on Soundable Object’s post was that I’d seen lots of obituaries where Hughes had been incorrectly credited as the director (not even necessarily “maker”) of Home Alone. See: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/newsobserver/obituary.aspx?n=john-hughes&pid=131018092 And this misleading paragraph: “Hughes films, especially “Home Alone,” were among the most popular of their time and the director was openly involved in marketing them”. The confusion is resolved in the filmography at the end, but it’s still sloppy. August 8, 2009 at 10:00 am #102027 Seb PatrickKeymaster It does happen a lot, though. How many people know, for example, that George Lucas has only actually directed six films in his career? But he’s still seen as the “maker” of all the Star Wars films, and along with Spielberg, of Indiana Jones. August 8, 2009 at 10:15 am #102028 Pete Part ThreeParticipant Quite. Ask the average member of the public who directed Empire Strikes Back, and they’d likely tell you it was Lucas since he’s the name so closely associated with the franchise. But he was “only” executive producer. August 8, 2009 at 10:56 am #102029 AndrewParticipant > But to the average member of the public, they see ?maker? and read ?director?. As I say, I’m not convinced the average member of the public knows what ‘a director’ does or sees an appreciable difference between that role and a producer. A Wikipedia page being publicly edited doesn’t equal average public opinion, since the ‘filmmaker’ page will have been edited by cineastes. That’s a page built by people who know what a director does, which isn’t the same as proving what the average person thinks a director is, what a filmmaker is. When a member of the public hears ‘buffalo’, they imagine a certain type of animal. Doesn’t mean they feel qualified to provide information on the animal regarding its specific definition and difference from ‘bison’. There’s a ‘right or wrong’ issue here – see the Wiki for deus ex machina, where incorrect use is apparently publicly accepted – but also a semantic one since ‘made X film’ isn’t automatically read off the page the same as ‘filmmaker’. Calling Hughes ‘the maker of Home Alone’ doesn’t read the same as ‘Home Alone filmmaker John Hughes’. Certainly, I don’t think you get to call someone definitively ‘wrong’ for using the term ‘made’ in all contexts. Certainly the link you provide is clumsy, clumsy journalism. Doesn’t make SoundableObject’s – quite different – use incorrect. Indeed, the more informed you assume the reader (or writer) to be, the more it’s an accurate statement. > Try it with ?Bob Gale, the maker of Back to the Future, fell out of a tree earlier today while spying on his future wife? and it becomes less succinct. Which only brings us back to ‘creative vision’ and ‘control’. That it works for some and not others only goes to show that it’s a term that has to be taken in context, that can’t simply be seen as ‘always meaning director to everyone’. (Even if we could be comfortable about how ‘everyone’ views the term, which we can’t.) The context of Hughes and Home Alone is it’s his flick more than it is Columbus’ – who directed the way TV is directed, without reasonable claim to fullest ownership. August 8, 2009 at 6:08 pm #102036 Pete Part ThreeParticipant >As I say, I?m not convinced the average member of the public knows what ?a director? does or sees an appreciable difference between that role and a producer. Which is kind of irrelevant. They may not know what the job entails and that, in some instances, the director can be a little more than a “yes man”. Doesn’t stop them automatically thinking the director is in charge and he’s the film maker. >Doesn?t mean they feel qualified to provide information on the animal regarding its specific definition and difference from ?bison?. Completely right. But I’m not saying whether they’re right or wrong to jump to conclusions, just that they do. “Film Maker” is ambiguous, as is saying someone “made a film” (much more than saying he “participated in the making of a film”). As a result of this, the assumed meaning becomes the one accepted by the general public and, um, me it seems. Rightly or wrongly. And since obituaries are for public consumption, incorrect assumptions are going to be made if there’s ambiguity in the terms used. Put it this way, if someone told me they’d signed up to a “film making” course, I’d ask them if they wanted to be a director. It’s an assumption, but it not one that’s unjustified. >Calling Hughes ?the maker of Home Alone? doesn?t read the same as ?Home Alone filmmaker John Hughes?. I’m not totally convinced there’s much difference. >The context of Hughes and Home Alone is it?s his flick more than it is Columbus? I’d say that Home Alone has more in common with Mrs Doubtfire than The Breakfast Club. Anyway. I’m going to ask around in the pub tonight and see what people understand by the term “filmmaker”. I may be barking up the wrong tree with assumptions! August 8, 2009 at 7:09 pm #102039 Jonathan CappsKeymaster NO ONE CARES. August 8, 2009 at 7:19 pm #102040 JoParticipant ^ This. August 8, 2009 at 7:23 pm #102041 CarlitoParticipant Harsh. August 8, 2009 at 7:56 pm #102044 JoParticipant Your face is harsh. August 8, 2009 at 9:06 pm #102045 Ben PaddonParticipant Harsh but fair. August 8, 2009 at 10:40 pm #102047 Squeaky GibsonParticipant This is such a sad loss to the industry, escpecially at the time when It’s needs fresh ides. John Hughes was a one man genius back in the 80’s and i’m sure that if he was on top form now, he would have saved us from all these recent remakes. R.I.P August 8, 2009 at 10:42 pm #102048 Squeaky GibsonParticipant Duplicate post, D’oh! August 8, 2009 at 11:21 pm #102049 CarlitoParticipant They will pay tribute to John Hughes by remaking Home Alone, with Will Ferrell and Vince Vaughn as the burglars, and a CGI Kevin. August 8, 2009 at 11:22 pm #102050 CarlitoParticipant And call it All-New Home Alone 3D X-Treme August 8, 2009 at 11:23 pm #102051 CarlitoParticipant Just last week I read a fairly extensive series of articles on AICN about Mr Hughes, and now he’s dead. These two incidents are, I assure you, unrelated. August 8, 2009 at 11:28 pm #102052 CarlitoParticipant Oooh I’m doing that thing again aren’t I? That thing where I post every blathering stream-of-consciousness thought that pops into my head, and then people start ripping me for talking to myself as if the world may end because of it. For administration purposes, I presume…. I feel like I ought to go see a doctor. For a while there, I thought I might have multiple personality disorder. Well, I’m still in two minds about it. If you think that’s odd, a friend of mine only has sex with women who suffer from Seasonal Affective Disorder. Sad fucker. Boom, boom. Hmmm, there’s a time and a place isn’t there? R.I.P. John Hughes August 8, 2009 at 11:35 pm #102054 JamesTCParticipant If they manage to get the 2 and a half hour version of The Breakfast Club and release it then that would be a wonderful way to remember John Hughes, his best film in its original form. I just finished The Breakfast Club, it feels long, not that that is a bad thing, I didn’t want it to end. August 9, 2009 at 12:13 am #102055 JoParticipant Oooh I?m doing that thing again aren?t I? That thing where I post every blathering stream-of-consciousness thought that pops into my head, and then people start ripping me for talking to myself as if the world may end because of it. For administration purposes, I presume?. No. Just because it’s fucking annoying. August 9, 2009 at 12:22 am #102057 AndrewParticipant > If they manage to get the 2 and a half hour version of The Breakfast Club and release it then that would be a wonderful way to remember John Hughes, his best film in its original form. I’m not sure releasing a version that Hughes actively rejected – to the point of having the cut negative material burned – qualifies as a suitable memorial. (Don’t get me wrong, I’d love to see the scenes, it’s just the polar opposite of what the man would have wanted.) Still my second-favourite movie of all time. (After The Fly, before Goodfellas. I am a child of a specific era.) August 9, 2009 at 1:06 am #102058 JamesTCParticipant >I?m not sure releasing a version that Hughes actively rejected – to the point of having the cut negative material burned – qualifies as a suitable memorial. (Don?t get me wrong, I?d love to see the scenes, it?s just the polar opposite of what the man would have wanted.) I thought it was the studio that wanted it shorter, I did read that John did own the only copy of the full cut. Author Replies Viewing 50 replies - 1 through 50 (of 97 total) 1 2 Scroll to top • Scroll to Recent Forum Posts You must be logged in to reply to this topic. Log In Username: Password: Keep me signed in Log In