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  • #232869
    Piplup2003
    Member

    The title says it all. What opinions do you have about Red Dwarf that no-one else seems to agree on?

    For me, it’s that VIII is my second favourite series (behind V) and that I prefer Chloë over Claire as Kochanski (this may be partially influenced by the fact that I’ve met Chloë).

    And please, no arguing.

    #232871
    Stephen R. Fletcher
    Participant

    Series VII is one of my favourite series. I like Ouroboros and Duct Soup. And Nanarchy is one of my favourite episodes. THERE, I said it.

    #232872

    Gunmen of the Apocalypse is an average episode.

    #232874
    Piplup2003
    Member

    >Gunmen of the Apocalypse is an average episode.

    I feel like this for the majority of VI if I’m honest.

    #232875
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    Series 1-4 are top tier
    Series 5 is mid tier
    Series 6 is lower mid tier

    Johnny Vegas is shit in everything he has acted in (but is a great stand up).
    Duct Soup is an okay episode. No worse than the rest of VII.

    All IMO, obvs.

    #232877

    I don’t think endings like Officer Rimmer are rushed or cut short. I think they work fine. It’s an odd edit but I don’t lose sleep over it.

    And I largely think most of the Dave era is just as good as the first 36. Only exceptions are Dear Dave for obvious reasons and Timewave for obvious reasons.

    Mechocracy is a bit shit but no worse than some of the mediocre early eps.

    Cured is one of my all time favourite episodes.

    #232878
    Dax101
    Participant

    Red Dwarf X,XI and XII are abit poop.

    Mechocracy is a weird episode that feels nothing like Red Dwarf

    My possible unpopular opinion.

    #232880
    bloodteller
    Participant

    my unpopular Red Dwarf opinions are:

    -i really quite like Waiting For God (why do people dislike this one?)

    -i really rather like Series VIII (except for Back In The Red Part 3 and the latter half of Only The Good)

    -Series XII isn’t very good, and i don’t like the constant satire of current events in it. did we really need an episode of Red Dwarf parodying the US election?

    – Dear Dave is okay, i like the vending machine romance plot. it’s very cute

    -Series VI isn’t that great. i mean it’s good, but not anywhere near as good as anything from I-V. Emohawk and Rimmerworld are bad (the latter’s only redeeming feature is the excellent teleporter gag imo)

    #232882
    Piplup2003
    Member

    > I really quite like Waiting For God (why do people dislike this one?)

    I don’t know, I love this episode!

    #232883
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Series VII is better than BtE, X, XI and XII for the simple fact it feels more like the Red Dwarf that went before imo.

    The new Starbug is fucking awful, although I appreciate the cockpit looks nice, it’s just not Starbug

    #232885
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Series VII is good, for the most part
    M-Corp is nowhere near as good as people seem to think

    I will say I quite -like- a good chunk of VIII, I won’t argue about it being “good Dwarf”, though

    #232888
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Moving the show to Starbug in Series VI doesn’t actually benefit the show in any way, beyond the opening 10 minutes of Legion. Emohawk and Rimmerworld have such half-arsed second halves that they might as well have had Moe Szyslak hurriedly wrapping things (“And the crew were saved by…let’s say, Kryten”).

    Holly coming back is a shit idea, as Doug hasn’t written anything worthwhile for the character for 30 years.

    The show falls spectacularly on its arse now when it does scenes of character comedy that do not specifically drive the plot forward, whereas up until Series IV, that was one of its greatest strengths.

    Series X looks like they spunked the budget up against a wall. With the exception of the bunkroom, all the sets look crap; especially the much-lauded market in Lemons and the Simulant ship in The Beginning. Trojan is the only episode that’s a notch below good, and the rest are a few drafts beyond being evenpassable. Entangled is horrendous long before the finale, and its scripting problems were clearly evident long before we found out about them on the DVD.

    When the cast say the “show is back to its best”, they don’t have a fucking clue what they’re talking about, as they’ve been pedalling that bullshit since 1999. The Cast commentaries are shite for much the same reason and aren’t worth a second listen.

    Samsara is a load of wank. Skipper aint all that.

    Chris Barrie has been on autopilot since VI.

    Kevin Eldon was wasted in Twentica.

    Most of the Smeg-Ups aren’t remotely funny.

    Give & Take and M-Corp are the only two episodes that convince me that Doug can write Red Dwarf without Rob.

    #232890
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >M-Corp is nowhere near as good as people seem to think

    i’ll side with this. it started off okay but fell apart completely in the second half. it felt like it was setting up a theme, with the beginning of the episode showing age is catching up to Lister- yet he turns into an old man late on in the episode, and absolutely nothing is done with this idea at all. Kryten buying a virus that shuts M-Corp down is an incredibly lazy solution to the plot, and the ending with Lister losing all his memories of the past 30 years just so they can do that scene from The End again is stupid. i also generally don’t like the idea of social/political commentary in Red Dwarf.

    #232891
    bloodteller
    Participant

    another unpopular opinion- Rimmer is dreadful in the Dave Era episodes, in terms of both performance and writing. Chris overacts almost every line (SHAKESPEARE, IT’S OVER!!!) and the majority of the time it feels like i’m seeing a pantomime version of the character. coupled with the writing of the Dave era where Rimmer is constantly portrayed as a truly nasty bastard with absolutely no redeeming qualities whatsoever, he’s a character that becomes genuinely unlikable most of the time. no wonder Cat makes so many jokes about wanting him dead.

    he doesn’t at all feel like the Rimmer from 1-8, where yes he was a bastard, but you liked him. you could relate to his struggles, you could tell he genuinely cared about the crew and there were enough sympathetic moments for him that you actually liked the character.

    #232893
    Dax101
    Participant

    The Cat has his moments of being way too dumb, whiny and degrading in XI and XII.

    Unpopular opinion.

    #232895

    -I think Series X is legitimately the best series of Red Dwarf

    -Timewave wasn’t that bad

    -Rimmerworld was a shit episode

    -Have your opinions about Doug writing solo; after reading Backwards (the novel), I don’t think Rob going solo would be good either

    -I still think a movie could work

    #232896

    Moving the show to Starbug in Series VI doesn’t actually benefit the show in any way, beyond the opening 10 minutes of Legion.

    Yes. And keeping this as the case for VII as well was a terrible idea.

    Waiting for God is one of the better episodes of the first series.

    Duct Soup isn’t the worst episode in VII.

    The Inquisitor isn’t a particularly funny episode in general.

    Back to Reality, although excellent, is nowhere near the best episode of Red Dwarf.

    #232897

    >he doesn’t at all feel like the Rimmer from 1-8

    That actually kinda works for me lol, since I like to think the Dave-era Rimmer is nano-Rimmer that only has the memories but not the actual emotions of the original Rimmer

    #232899
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >The Inquisitor isn’t a particularly funny episode in general.
    Very strong plot, though, very good science fiction.

    >I think Series X is legitimately the best series of Red Dwarf
    Oof

    Talking of Barrie’s performance, I thought he was -really- on point in parts of XI and XII, but off in a couple too.

    #232901

    I’m a little biased, it was my first series of Red Dwarf, but I always enjoy every episode (even Dear Dave)

    #232903
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Red Dwarf doesn’t need to be funny to be good. Although by that I mean ignore ‘jokes’ altogether and write good sci-fi or character moments and let the comedy come if it comes, don’t shove 10 jokes in because you think you’re missing a woofer.

    #232904
    bloodteller
    Participant

    really unpopular opinion- the Pete duology isn’t that bad. yes it has some dodgy moments- that awful VFX shot where the dinosaur breaks through the wall, See Ya In 10 Minutes etc. but there are so, so many moments that make me laugh- i especially enjoy when it becomes apparent, after much conversing about the mechanics of airplane toilets, neither Rimmer or Lister have any clue what they’re on about.

    even the really silly gags like “The whole hog? Like it wasn’t hard enough getting the whole cow…” made me laugh, and i don’t mind the episode being about repeated trips to the captain’s office- it’s a funny idea, and it plays out almost like a sci-fi version of A Shot In The Dark. it’s an episode that’s really grown on me over time, and i don’t think it’s the worst episodes of Red Dwarf. i used to, but i think that was just because the general opinion of it was that it was awful.

    #232905
    Piplup2003
    Member

    >The Pete duology isn’t that bad.

    Pete is probably one of my favourite episodes.

    #232906
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Pete would move up at least 10 places in my own personal rankings if they’d done the frozen canaries with effects and not li-i-i-i…ive – I get that there’s an audience but we know that there needs to be effect shots. Oh and if the time wand looked less like a rampant rabbit from the 22nd century I’d bump it up another one or two.

    #232907
    clem
    Participant

    > Chris Barrie has been on autopilot since VI.

    See, “autopilot” suggests he’s phoning it in, whereas I think he tries a bit *too* hard if anything, at least in the Dave era. I can’t tell whether Chris thinks a broader performance is what’s required based on the way Doug writes the character these days, or he’s just… forgotten how to play Rimmer properly. Bit of both probably.

    Based on the Pearl Poll results I agree Waiting for God is very underrated. And Polymorph is very overrated.

    #232908
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Thought Chris was great at times in XII, but that moves segment and Shakespeare bollocks for example was horrendous material to work with. Nobody can do anything with that. It’s like Doug was working on some terrible stand up for an English Literature convention and shoved it in when he ran out of time.

    #232909
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Back to Earth is a lot better than people give it credit for. Beyond that, the single-camera studio-audience free take works very, very well indeed. I think, meta story aside, BTE provides a template for which a single-camera comedy-drama version of Red Dwarf could be like.

    I feel much the same about some of the Xtended versions of VII. Not all of the jokes land, but the show works a lot better without a studio audience than people seem prepared to admit.

    #232911
    Dave
    Participant

    The original theme and opening sequence used in Series 1 and 2 is miles better than the rock/montage version from III onwards.

    #232913
    Warbodog
    Member

    Parallel Universe is an VIII quality episode and the worst of I-VI by a long way, even if the banter at the start is good.

    I don’t see what’s so amazing about Marooned. Lots of good lines, but I prefer the average Lister-Rimmer interactions in series 1-2.

    Marooned and The Last Day aside, Series III is a bit frivolously zany and needs to calm down. IV was an improvement.

    Possibly in a contradiction, I like the running gags in VI bringing back a jokey tone after peak gloom in V, even if it’s diminishing returns after Legion.

    #232914
    Dax101
    Participant

    Balance of power is still fairly forgettable to this day.

    The remastered colour grading is actually better then the original.

    Roberts performance as Kryten has been abit off for the last few series.

    I prefer the series 3,4 to 5 bunkroom to the series 1 and 2 version.

    I actually didn’t mind the CGI skutter in BTE.

    #232915
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Back to Reality really doesn’t deserve to be the best episode of all time, at this stage it’s almost entered Doctor Who ‘recieved fan wisdom’ level that its the greatest episode ever

    I really don’t have a problem with Dear Dave. The word doesn’t bother me.

    I think III, for all its whizzbang new changes, actually looks horrible. Kryten’s mask in particular looks dreadful.

    I quite like Kryten’s costume in X. The shoulder hoops in particular give it a very III – V feel, especially now the shoulder pads are part of the main chest piece again.

    #232916
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >Red Dwarf doesn’t need to be funny to be good
    >Back to Earth is a lot better than people give it credit for
    I really don’t have a problem with Dear Dave. The word doesn’t bother me
    Agreed

    >The original theme and opening sequence used in Series 1 and 2 is miles better
    Agreed but the rock theme really does suit III-VIII more. Maybe the old theme would suit X?

    III is a bit wacky and looks like utter shit at points, but it’s still very funny. Kryten looks so sweaty.

    I don’t think Red Dwarf needs an audience. I think the comedy drama angle works. I think they should calm down on the gag rate, Rob and Doug going off to America and learning about one-liners was a mistake.

    #232918

    I think the Series I and II theme fit their respective series but wouldn’t clash well with any other series (minus maybe BTE)

    Since the theme helped convey how depressing the concept was, but after Series II the premise got a bit more peachy (if that’s an appropriate way to describe it)

    #232923
    Katydid
    Participant

    Backwards is profoundly overrated. Polymorph is an average episode with an exceptional third act. Outside of Marooned (which is basically the best episode of Series II delivered a series late), I’d have to rank Series III in the lower half of the first six, definitely not one of the best. It’s a bit overly silly in many places, clearly very excited to play with its new toys and so hasn’t yet developed the restraint of IV, which far more successfully balanced sci-fi and character comedy.

    #232925
    Jimboid
    Participant

    Back to Reality is overrated.

    Dear Dave is one of the best episodes of X.

    Cat was at his best in V and VI and has been shit ever since.

    The cast are good performers but aren’t naturally funny people.

    #232926
    Jimboid
    Participant

    Oh, and they probably should have called it a day in 1993.

    #232940
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    ‘Dear Dave’, ‘Entangled’ and ‘Can of Worms’ are perfectly decent episodes despite their problematic elements.

    ‘Stoke Me A Clipper’ is outright bad.

    Hayridge’s Holly is easily better and more definitive than Lovett’s Holly overall (actually, this might not be an unpopular opinion at all, but Doug doesn’t seem to agree or realise).

    Kochanski has the potential to be great as a regular character.

    ‘Bodysnatcher’ is nowhere near as good as ‘Me^2’, and as far as unmade episodes go, I feel we lost more for not getting ‘Identity Within’.

    The phrase “THE END? THE SMEG IT IS.” (along with most other instances of over-reliance on “smeg”) doesn’t actively annoy me, outside of it being an unresolved cliffhanger.

    The 2 Grant/Naylor novels are just OK.

    ‘The Last Day’ is the best episode of Red Dwarf ever.

    #232942
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    White Hole puts Hayridge over Lovett for me. She’s got range, and gave them far more options but they just didn’t use them. Norman has some classic lines don’t get me wrong, and Queeg but he’s playing himself really, I think Hattie could have done Queeg well, but I don’t think Norman would have been as good in White Hole and Demons & Angels. It’s a shame she’s sort of an outsider.

    #232948
    bloodteller
    Participant

    possibly unpopular opinion- the show really ought to end soon. just have an episode where they finally get back to Earth and be done with it. Red Dwarf is one of my favourite shows, and i don’t really want to see it last forever and progressively get worse as it goes, like the Simpsons.

    i wouldn’t really want to see Red Dwarf continue past XIII, imo. honestly, it could have ended after X and i would’ve been fine with that.

    #232949
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I don’t think there’s any real chance of that happening. The Simpsons’ longevity is due to:

    (A) It being a global mega-franchise, so merchandise and syndication sales are too great to want to stop – not true of Red Dwarf.

    (B) The actors only being needed for voice work, so it’s easier to get them to record 20+ episodes per year: no need for costumes, lighting, lengthy rehearsals, live audiences, getting all of them on set at the same time etc. – not true of Red Dwarf.

    (C) The writing/direction being shared by dozens of staff rather than forever tied to 1 or 2 people with a specific personal connection to the show – not true of Red Dwarf.

    I wouldn’t want RD to overstay its welcome either, but limiting it to just 1 more series seems too soon. It’s got more potential life in it than that!

    #232950
    Dave
    Participant

    Hmmm, this may be an unpopular opinion in itself but I think I’d prefer it if the show never had a ‘final’ episode in that sense. The whole setup is so nihilistic and laced with the inevitability of loneliness and eventual death that I can’t imagine an ending feeling true to that while still being satisfying and enjoyable.

    I prefer an ending like Skipper, with a certain acknowledgement that the situation of all these characters is hopeless and unchanging, that they’re stuck with each other, but which leaves them still out there, three million years in the future, chugging along without ever reaching the end.

    #232951
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Given that Red Dwarf has been getting -better- in recent years (in my opinion), I see no real reason for them to pack it in just yet. As long as it’s good I’ll welcome it.

    #232953
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >Hmmm, this may be an unpopular opinion in itself but I think I’d prefer it if the show never had a ‘final’ episode in that sense. The whole setup is so nihilistic and laced with the inevitability of loneliness and eventual death that I can’t imagine an ending feeling true to that while still being satisfying and enjoyable.

    the originally planned finale for VIII called “Earth” would’ve been a fitting ending, i thought. The crew finally getting the ship back to Earth to discover the human race miraculously survived that whole time, only to wipe out the entire planet as they land- there’s quite a nice bit of irony to that, and it probably would’ve been really a really funny and epic way to go out.

    The Beginning was also a fitting ending, imo. the final line being “the slime’s coming home” as they head back to the ship felt like quite a nice way to end it all- it’s as if the ship itself has become home for them.

    #232955
    cwickham
    Participant

    I thought the ending of “Earth” was meant to involve the race human beings had evolved into.

    If VIII had ended with “Earth”, might Doug have considered the matter closed? Would he have never even tried to get Series IX off the ground? When UKTV came asking, would he have declined? Whatever the failings of The Beginning, Skipper or even Back to Earth, they’re still better ways to go out than Series VIII.

    #232956
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Last Human is better than Backwards.

    #232958
    Katydid
    Participant

    Red Dwarf doesn’t need to be funny to be good. It just needs clever science fiction and good characters, and jokes can spring naturally from the story where appropriate. An episode like The Inquisitor is absolutely brilliant and one of the best ever despite not being close to the funniest episode even in its own series.

    I also don’t dislike a single episode of VII. That’s not to say it isn’t among the weakest series, but there’s no episode in it that feels like a boring, unwatchable slog to sit through the way the majority of VIII does. I don’t tend to go back to VII, but I don’t sigh in frustration when it comes next on a complete run-through.

    My unpopular opinion about VIII is that Cassandra is an unfunny, sloppily plotted rehash of Future Echoes that spunks its only interesting new idea (invulnerability by fate) in favor of more sex jokes and perving.

    #232959

    If VIII had ended with “Earth”, might Doug have considered the matter closed?

    Given that he spoke in early-’00s interviews about handing over the series to other writers and just focusing on the reboot films, it definitely seems that he was done with the TV version at the time.

    #232960
    Dax101
    Participant

    Doug wanted to close the show off after series 8 so they could jump onto movies. its just they didn’t have the budget to pull off the “earth” ending they wanted to do. so Blessing in disguise? not sure.

    Then again Doug may still have made Red Dwarf X by continuing in some sci-fi parallel universe idea. after all its not like Doug has shown all that much care about the ending to Series 8.

    #232962
    Hamish
    Participant

    I am okay with the Blue Midget dance.

    Gary Martin is not annoying as Epideme.

    Series VII gets better towards the end after Rimmer leaves, in spite of the fact I still do not like Kochanski as a main character.

    Series V is the weakest of the first six series.

    Kryten’s costume in V is shit.

    X is better than XI and XII.

    #232966
    clem
    Participant

    Kryten’s whininess and jealousy of Kochanski in VII don’t bother me at all. In fact I think quite a lot of funny stuff comes out of it.

    #232967
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Red Dwarf is too precious to end. There’s so much shite on TV now, even this version of Red Dwarf which is a bit of a diet version is still vastly superior (mostly) than many alternatives. Even though Doug doesnae give 2 shits about the universe he created with Rob when it comes to continuity, it’s actually a really interesting one, maybe have a series where there’s an arc over the entire thing, like the xindi series of Enterprise. Try something different, maybe introduce some new characters that aren’t Dave sitcom characters that could be translated easily into Zzaped or whatever it’s called, or an episode of My Hero haha.. if it’s successful get a spin-off going. Maybe they get a signal about the fate of a human colony and they hunt for it, meeting some challenges, an asteroid belt, some none comedy simulants, Gelfs that aren’t inexplicably called Garbage Gobblers.

    #232968
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >X is better than XI and XII.

    i agree with this, i liked X much more than XI/XII.

    >Red Dwarf is too precious to end.

    i feel the opposite honestly- it’s too precious not to end. i’ve been watching these characters for most of my life, at the end of it all i do want to see them succeed and finally get back to Earth. i don’t feel like i’d be happy if the last ever episode was just them continuing to be stuck in space forever and ever and ever, unless it was done like the Backwards novel, where Lister realises he belongs with Kryten and Rimmer and Cat-they’re his family, and Red Dwarf is his home. because that was really quite a fantastic ending, i thought.

    #232972
    flanl3
    Participant

    Getting back to earth and there being any people there (and earth being real, of course) as a series finale would be worse than any bad episode.

    #232974
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    By too precious to end, obviously it will end in it’s current form – Robert the poor sod is almost a pensioner and at some point it’s just cruel to keep making him wear the Kryten costume, I just hope it doesn’t end full stop. The seam is still there to be mined with Red Dwarf, lots of unexplored avenues, different media, Red Dwarf Extended Universe sort of cross over business would be great. Old man Cat telling us the story of the cat race would be amazing with a budget.

    #232975
    besbvesdy
    Participant

    Krytie TV is my favourite episode of 8

    Dear Dave is my favourite episode of 10

    They’ve both got problematic bits for sure but the show is riddled with them, and for that matter so are most people. The difference with Timewave is that it’s a shit episode in the first place with some genuine ugliness thrown in to make it worse

    Never understood why Waiting For God gets so slated – great episode among great episodes

    #232976
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >Krytie TV is my favourite episode of 8

    i prefer Cassandra myself, but i do also think Krytie TV is a great episode. all the elements established at the beginning tie up in a funny and interesting way- the appeal, ackerman’s date, kryten’s tv station, they all come together at the end of the episode and i really liked that. most XI/XII episodes didn’t have that- they ended with a lot of plot threads left hanging, stuff that was completely unexplored, unsatisfing endings.

    it’s also just a really funny episode. “A breakup is very much like a bereavement…it’s usually followed by a cremation and some sandwiches” was a particularly funny line i thought, but the whole episode is filled with stuff that makes me laugh anyway so it’s hard to pick.

    #232978
    Hamish
    Participant

    > all the elements established at the beginning tie up in a funny and interesting way … they all come together at the end of the episode and i really liked that.

    Strangely enough that is the exact reason why Cured is my favourite episode from XII, even though Krytie TV itself was placed as my second worst episode in the Pearl Poll.

    #232980
    bloodteller
    Participant

    opinion- Cured would have been approximately 996% funnier if they’d used Toto’s Africa in the jamming scene as originally intended, rather than The Happy Wanderer. would’ve just made for a much more amusing scene, imo.

    #232982
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >A breakup is very much like a bereavement…it’s usually followed by a cremation and some sandwiches
    Wrong thread but what the fuck do you cremate after a breakup? Pictures? What do sandwiches have to do with it? What the fuck does this line mean?

    #232983
    bloodteller
    Participant

    the joke is that Holly is talking bollocks, no? the line starts off as if it’s going to be some sort of actual analogy on the similarities between breakups and bereavements…only for Holly to make a remark that is utter nonsense and shows that the two aren’t at all alike. lister calls him out on this “You haven’t got a clue what you’re on about, have you?”

    #232985
    MANI506
    Participant

    I think Epideme is an excellent episode and the line about coat hangers is a great Cat gag.

    #232988
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >What the fuck does this line mean?

    It’s a shittier version of the Olivia Newton-John line from Stasis Leak.

    #232989
    Hamish
    Participant

    Which was already a fairly shit line anyway, if only because it is not really funny if you do not know who Olivia Newton John is.

    #232995
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >I think Epideme is an excellent episode and the line about coat hangers is a great Cat gag.

    i don’t think Epideme is excellent (it’s not bad though) but yeah, that is a good line. in general i think Cat gets the funniest lines in VII

    #233000
    PFML84
    Participant

    Most of VIII was rather meh. Anything after VIII has been mainly rubbish. BTE was shite. X had a strong start with Trojan and the rest, bar The Beginning, was crap. XI was OK in parts but mainly awful. Same with XII. The acting/characterisation is all over the shop, the plots are weak, the jokes are bad, Doug is destroying the show by being the only one in charge and has lots of yes men at the production company who will let him do whatever he wants. But hey, it wins the odd comedy award so lets just keep flogging this dead horse another few years, eh?

    Having said all that, I’ll still watch any new episodes. Perhaps that’s the problem…?

    #233003
    besbvesdy
    Participant

    i think you might be looking for the ‘things everyone agrees about’ thread

    #233004
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Epideme would probably be an excellent episode if the virus itself didn’t make me feel like I was physically ill

    #233007

    That’s generally what viruses do.

    #233008
    Toxteth O-Grady
    Participant

    The BTE bunkroom looked way better than the X/XI/XII bunkroom.

    #233009
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >The acting/characterisation is all over the shop, the plots are weak, the jokes are bad

    i agree with this to be honest. i’m really not a fan of the Dave era, and at least for me the majority of the new episodes simply aren’t very funny. and i do think Red Dwarf needs to be funny to be good- the humour has always been a key part of the show for me. so it definitely feels rather disappointing when a show that, for the first 8 series was consistently funny and made me laugh in every episode, has turned into a show where i can go through a whole episode and not laugh at all.

    to go from brilliant stuff like “They’re tying ’em to the stake…it’s Winnie The Pooh!” to “SpitOnHerWrist” is a pretty fucking steep step down.

    #233011

    Unpopular opinion: I think this thread has more popular opinions than unpopular ones

    #233018
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >That’s generally what viruses do.
    That’s what I was going for, you see

    #233019
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    Series VIII is better and funnier than Series VII, and is truer to the spirit of Red Dwarf, which is meant to be a TV sitcom, not a cinematic comedy-drama.

    I don’t actually hold this opinion, by the way. I just figured I’d save John the trouble of posting it.

    #233024
    Dave
    Participant

    My unpopular opinion is that Chris Barrie doesn’t actually play Rimmer, it’s been another actor all along. You wouldn’t believe how unpopular this opinion is, which obviously makes it really interesting and valuable.

    #233027
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    Feels good to get it off your chest though, doesn’t it.

    #233030
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Good, Flap Jack, because otherwise I’d have to fight you

    #233033
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Series VII isn’t comedy drama. The gag quotient is just as regular as most of the earlier series, they just don’t land as often and there’s no studio audience to bounce off.

    Absolutely no Red Dwarf story has benefited from being longer than 29 minutes, and even the recent ones which people said “could have done with another 10 minutes”, would have just had 10 extra minutes of padding.

    None of the space corps directives are funny, and should be put out to pasture along with jokes about Cat thinking more about his clothes than his health, remarks about the long list of Rimmer’s negative attributes, and shitty old similes.

    Hogey the Roguey was crap.

    99% of the original strips in the Smegazine were rubbish.

    Tongue Tied is crap, is shoe-horned into an episode to which it has no relevance, and is utterly bizarre to watch with someone who’s never seen the episode before.

    #233037
    Dave
    Participant

    When my daughter started watching Red Dwarf about a year ago she loved Tongue Tied, and probably asks to watch that bit more than any other.

    Maybe you have to see it when you’re young to like it.

    #233039
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    First future echo:
    the mirror I stare into
    shows my father’s face.

    #233040
    Dave
    Participant

    I’m not personally a huge fan of Tongue Tied, especially these days, although I think it has its moments.

    It’s actually been interesting how different we are in terms of the bits she finds funny. Cat is the absolute standout character of the show for her by miles.

    (Thanks for introducing me to that haiku though, I like it.)

    #233042
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >None of the space corps directives are funny

    i liked the one in White Hole where Rimmer goes “Yes, but Rimmer Directive 435 states just as clearly- No chance, you metal bastard”. but outside of that they weren’t at all funny, imo. especially in VI where the exact same gag of Rimmer getting it wrong and Kryten correcting him is repeated ad nauseum- it’s just crap, and it’s the same thing repeated with almost no change to it.

    same goes for Cat’s “We’re deader than [clothing item” gags, they can fuck off too.

    #233043
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Deader than tank tops is the only one that lands for me, but I do find that particular one absolutely fucking hilarious and one of my all-time favourite Cat lines, alongside the two-month waiting list for birds to appear every time he is near. The fact that the other deader-than lines are shit doesn’t mar the good one, imo.

    #233044
    Warbodog
    Member

    I like them, but both running gags peak early in Legion (“oral sex in zero gravity” and tank tops followed up with the enjoyably specific “A-line flares with pockets in the knees”). That whole Legion opening is just so good (space weevil/raw carrot, verrucas/mint imperial, Thursday with an F, blue alert, including Welsh/sorry bye sorry, and my personal favourite, stop your blathering and get in the damn tube).

    #233045
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Lemons is fucking awful despite Jeff Lynne doing well to get a Middle Eastern market set halfway to convincing with budget restraints.

    The Dave episodes have only had one good guest character, Pree, the rest are at best pretty forgettable even though they’ve managed to get a couple of well respected guest actors on board, and no I haven’t forgotten Mark Dexter. I just don’t get why everyone raves about his performance.

    Robert’s issues with remembering lines needs to be accounted for because it’s affecting the quality of the shows. Whenever he gives a techno babble speech, it always sounds like he’s panicked or like he’s reading it off something he can’t quite see.

    #233046
    flanl3
    Participant

    The space corps directives not being particularly funny is another thing wrong with Timewave.

    Is that unpopular? Probably not.

    But it might be unpopular for me to say that Timewave is the only bad episode of Red Dwarf.

    #233047
    curtis
    Participant

    Backwards is better than Last Human.

    Danny John-Jules is the most consistent performer and the best thing about the Dave era.

    Continuity does matter

    Mr Rat is probably the show’s funniest moment full stop

    Hard light made Rimmer less interesting.

    #233050
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >i liked the one in White Hole where Rimmer goes “Yes, but Rimmer Directive 435 states just as clearly- No chance, you metal bastard”.

    Yes, nothing wrong with the one and only Rimmer directive. But after Quarantine, they should have done one joke of Rimmer getting it wrong, being corrected by Kryten….AND THEN STOPPED FOREVER.

    The fact that they’re so interchangeable and, unless you’re a Red Dwarf mastermind, you’d have no idea which one is from which episode, makes me think that Rob and Doug just got together at the beginning of the series and rattled out a bunch of them and then picked them out of a pot as they wrote each episode.

    #233051
    Piplup2003
    Member

    >the one and only Rimmer directive

    What about the Rimmer Directive that clearly states Never tangle with something that has more teeth than the entire Osmond Family?

    #233053
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >Pete is probably one of my favourite episodes.

    not trying to be a dick or anything, but why? i mean, i don’t dislike Pete myself- it’s a very funny set of episodes and there’s always something in every scene that makes me laugh- but i wouldn’t be putting it in my Top 10 or anything.

    #233071
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >Lemons is fucking awful
    Thank you

    #233074
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i liked the bit in Lemons with the fruit merchant- “this one here? is it famous?” and “you walked halfway across the known world…for eight lemons.” but the episode just kind of falls apart after Jesus shows up.

    #233076
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i suppose him being amazed by bags and other relatively simple things that we take for granted in the modern world was rather funny-but that bit where he goes back and takes the piss out of the Ten Commandments is just dire. it’s not clever or original and it’s not funny. lots of comedians have done routines on religion before that were actually comedic and this wasn’t one of them.

    #233079
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    The thing about those jokes is, while amusing, are standard sitcom jokes not really Red Dwarf jokes. If those jokes were in an episode of Not Going Out they wouldn’t be out of place, that’s not to cast aspersions on Not Going Out, it’s not necessarily my thing but I’m sure it’s fine, but I feel like Red Dwarf and Not Going Out shouldn’t have interchangeable lines. I feel like Doug doesn’t want to write a sci-fi show, he wants to write jokes and satire and more traditional sitcom setups and I’m not so keen on that, and his satire is a bit World According to Clarkson occasionally unfortunately.

    I feel like he needs what him and Rob were when they went to America, he needs a wave of negativity because I think he’s surrounded by the equivalent of the fake laughing executive types.

    #233080

    I really like Lemon’s for what (few IMO) faults it has. I really like the twist that it isn’t actually Jesus … in fact first time seeing that made up for the fact the biggest gag, Lister “jesus!” Jesus “Yes?” was given away in trailers.

    The one area I think it falls down a little is bringing Jesus back to Red Dwarf. I know it’s somewhat necessary for him to see a bit of the future, find out about Christianity etc … but with a little creativity they could have done that with the crew still stuck in the past.

    The kidney stone operation is funny up to a point but definitely the weakest bit IMO, and once you remember it isn’t actually Jesus, just seems a bit silly. Especially as there are less intrusive ways to remove kidney stones even now, you’d think in the future they’d have advanced a little on that front

    But overall I like it. That’s my 2 cents.

    For another actually unpopular opinion. I think Kryten’s costume (Series 2 aside) progressively gets worse as the series goes on. I prefer the really industrial, advanced yet a bit scrap heap look of series 3. As they try to make it look better, (and especially once they hit series 7) it starts to look cheap and more like a man in a cosply robot costume of Kryten then it looks like Kryten.

    And whilst we’re on costumes, I said higher up I think Siliconia is shit. They definitely shouldn’t have made that episode unless they could suit up enough people in enough proper outfits, and not black underalls with a mask and a chest piece etc

    Imagine Camille but with future Mrs Bobby in a similar suit. It wouldn’t have worked.

    #233081

    I say we all go on Twitter and cyberbully Doug so he can write better episodes

    #233085
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    He needs a writer that knows the show to say no occasionally, not bullying, but if you think taking the piss because his hair’s nearly completely fucked off will get us another Back to Reality then maybe it’s worth a try haha

    #233087

    Its a risk I’m willing to take

    #233090
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Jesus himself was utterly shit, which I think qualifies as an unpopular opinion given what I’ve read here. And the whole IKEA flatpack time machine thing felt a bit obvious and silly. The whole episode felt a bit obvious and silly. Walking the incredibly long distance they did just to realise they need something from back where they came is pretty funny, the set is quite impressive, etc, but most of the jokes are a bit eh. I’d rather re-watch Dear Dave.

    #233091
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    There are a few “traditional sitcom jokes” (read: lazy jokes) in Dave Dwarf, yeah. Smaller than the salad section in a Scottish supermarket may have some nice alliteration to it, but it’s the kind of joke you’d expect from post-Boyle Mock the Week, not Red Dwarf.

    #233092
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    OK, I may have another one:

    The Red Dwarf interior in Series X is the best it’s ever looked.

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