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  • #235758
    Warbodog
    Member

    Canned laughter bloke aside (or maybe not), are there any Red Dwarf episodes where the audience irritates you to the point that it affects your enjoyment or even takes the episode down a peg? Whether they’re overly excitable about everything or conversely don’t seem to be getting any of the best jokes, someone’s got an annoying laugh, or whatever.

    I mean in terms of an entire episode rather than specific gags, e.g. The Young Ones’ ‘Oil’ is supposedly ruined by an over-the-top audience while Fawlty Towers’ ‘The Builders’ had a muted response due to the non-English-speaking investors in the front rows, not that I’ve ever noticed those. On my recent Monty Python rewatch, ‘The Buzz Aldrin Show’ was intermittently ruined by a screaming drunk.

    #235760
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Quite often on XI/XII I feel the audience is a bit too happy to be there and eager to laugh at the medicore jokes, but I guess it’s better than silence

    What was it exactly that made the crowd for Kryten (Series 2) so raucous?

    #235761
    Warbodog
    Member

    ‘Kryten’ was the one I thought of too, but only the last scene, where Kryten giving Rimmer the finger is the most outrageous thing some of those people have ever seen. I don’t know if it extends to the rest of the ep, since I think the skeleton reveal gets the appropriate response.

    VIII has an easily pleased audience in general, with all the unearned applause, but that hardly ‘ruins’ VIII for me so I don’t care.

    #235762
    Warbodog
    Member

    Oh yeah, they overreact to Cat being dragged away from the mirror as well. Glad they enjoyed themselves anyway.

    #235764
    tombow
    Participant

    the conversation here about Mr Bean yesterday had me looking up some Bean clips, and I’d forgotten how ..idiosyncratic the audience could be, such as the person who keeps doing this loud honking laugh gasping for breath after the laugh has finished, and someone screeching. RD, I guess I always thought the Series 1 audience was easily pleased by some of the more panto-ish broad Lister/Rimmer banter.

    #235766
    Warbodog
    Member

    There’s a distinctive laugh in the Mr Bean park bench sandwich skit that sounded so unlike a laugh to me as a child, I thought it was a surreal joke about his bread crying out in pain when he cut into it.

    #235769
    tombow
    Participant

    oh that is a funny sketch, I haven’t seen that for years. How did he get the bottle stopper to pop out of his ear on cue…?

    #235771
    paulf
    Participant

    The beauty of hindsight! I rewatched series 1 again today and there were quite a few moments when I thought how can the audience not appreciate this more? What a privilege to be at the recording. Loan me the temporal, integration, manipulation and extrapolation machine please.

    #235772
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    That over enthusiastic person in the audience for ‘Backwards’ who tries to start a round of applause at the “do you think Wilma’s sexy?” joke.

    #235775

    Never, boring answer I guess its never bothered me at any point.

    Though I’ll mention how the audience kinda made the beginning joke at Samsara funnier for me, when Lister is shushing Rimmer as his ice cream melts and that one guy in the audience is laughing hard.

    That was pretty funny.

    #235780

    Everything from VIII onwards has got over-enthusiastic responses. It’s the point where the audience feels more like keen Red Dwarf fans excited to be there, rather than an audience of comedy fans appreciating the show.

    #235782
    Toxteth O-Grady
    Participant

    Think I’ve mentioned it on here before, but there’s a woman’s laugh at the end (or beginning?) of the bar room tidy sequence in Backwards that’s really loud and weird. It sounds like a phone ringing underwater.
    Stranger still, it sounds the same backwards as forwards.

    #235784
    paulf
    Participant

    Toxteth O-Grady! My favourite name on this site so far. Just managed to get tickets to see Nigel Planner/Adrian Edmondson in Bath just before I head back home after DJ.

    #235786

    I think the laughter in the Backwards scene is meant to be someone in the pub isn’t it? It’s at the end of the brawl scene and it’s her laughing backwards, which is why it sounds weird.

    #235787
    Dave
    Participant

    Are you sure it’s not someone un-laughing because the scene stops being funny?

    #235790
    Stephen Abootman
    Participant

    Good job that there’s a High & Low 3 years in the making that will definitively answer this issue.

    #235793
    bloodteller
    Participant

    Tikka To Ride Xtended has a pretty bad audience

    #235795
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Tikka to Ride UnXtended ain’t much better. I hate the groans during the “be a second gunmen” bit. You’re there to laugh, not fucking groan and proclaim how clever you are for seeing where this below-par episode is going. Fuck you.

    #235796
    bloodteller
    Participant

    I hate that Timewave’s “Spitonawrist” joke gets a big laugh from the audience. Surely not that many people thought it was a funny joke? I’d expect at least one groan from how cheap it is, but everyone just seems to like it.

    #235798
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I’m more bothered when the audience -doesn’t- laugh at a quite-funny joke, I think Awooga Waltz might be one of them but I can’t quite remember. There’s a handful scattered throughput the series, though.

    #235799

    I hate that Timewave’s “Spitonawrist” joke gets a big laugh from the audience. Surely not that many people thought it was a funny joke? I’d expect at least one groan from how cheap it is, but everyone just seems to like it.</bockquote>

    Probably since its their initial reaction, plus people have different tastes in comedy.

    #235800

    fuck me sideways

    #235801
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >I’m more bothered when the audience -doesn’t- laugh at a quite-funny joke, I think Awooga Waltz might be one of them but I can’t quite remember. There’s a handful scattered throughput the series, though.

    To be fair, that line is said so fast that it’s difficult to hear. I heard it as “the Wilbur Awards” the first time around. I still laughed at it thougg, because of how bizarre it was that Cat was talking about poetry awards while the ship was exploding

    #235803
    Dave
    Participant

    The Awooga Waltz is too clever a joke to register in such a quick scene. It’s one of those ones you get later and smile.

    #235804
    NoFro
    Participant

    I think the XI/XII crowds are generally quite quiet or perhaps just low in the mix, definitely compared to X. Having been to recordings of X/XI/XII, it seems they didn’t alter the crowd reactions which in some ways is a good thing but I think also misrepresents the impact of some of the jokes as they’ve taken the laughter from the fourth or fifth take of a joke rather than the first or second. Those who have been to recordings will know that some of the scenes take some time to get through which means that the best take technically might be one that comes after the joke has already been told several times. The cast could certainly learn their lines better (not that I don’t appreciate the new-script-every-week situation) which would help this but, alternatively, they could just fluff the laugh track up a bit in post.

    VIII crowds are definitely far too keen on the material but I think the problem with VIII is that whilst there are some good jokes, they don’t always relate to the overall stories. It makes sense that jokes that don’t need the context of the episode work well standing alone within their scenes. I’ve seen episodes recorded where I’ve forgotten the set up for a running joke because it has paid off a few scenes later which might be 2 hours of recording time after the set up. This is a better constructed joke in terms of the final episode but does require a bit more attention from the audience at the live recording.

    #235807
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    That over enthusiastic person in the audience for ‘Backwards’ who tries to start a round of applause at the “do you think Wilma’s sexy?” joke.

    My first thought when I saw this thread.

    This reminds me of a conversation I was having with a friend of mine. His name is MIke, and he absolutely detests studio-audience sitcom. He’s one of those people who says he hates hearing a live audience (he almost always calls it “canned laughter,” which in most cases it isn’t, and I’ve long since grown weary of trying to correct him), he hates “being told when to laugh.” Not an uncommon attitude among people who hate studio-audience sitcoms. But when I probed him further on this, it went further.

    I suggested, “A sitcom is like seeing a recording of a play, or a standup special. You wouldn’t hate the audience so much if you were sitting in it.”

    He countered, “Yes I would. The other audience members are the price you pay for going to see a comedian perform.”

    Which absolutely blows my mind. I’ve performed standup for an audience of thousands, and for an audience of six people, and the energy is so different. There’s an awkwardness to as smaller crowd, or a crowd who doesn’t want to be there. The energy is different. It’s why I can’t watch those Maria Bamford specials on Netflix – one is her doing her show for her parents, and the other cuts to different locations showing her doing a show one-on-one with another person. It just feels so awkward to me, I can’t stand it.

    (Which is a shame, because I love Bamford. But oh well.)

    How do you explain the benefit of an audience, recorded or otherwise, to a person who would rather have that one-on-one experience? Who thinks the other people in the audience, in an audience he’s in, are a nuisance? It shorted out something in my brain.

    #235810
    Warbodog
    Member

    I enjoy hearing that one person’s disgust when they’re made to visualise Ace Rimmer literally rimming his way up the ranks. Makes me imagine a One Foot in the Grave situation of friends being dragged along to a recording that’s not their cup of tea.

    There’s at least one episode where someone gives a sympathetic “aww” after Rimmer admits something pathetic, but I can’t remember which. It’s nice that they’re so into it and think he’s real.

    #235811
    bloodteller
    Participant

    I’ve never understood people who hate live audiences in sitcoms, nor the argument that it’s annoying because they exist to “tell you when to laugh”- that’s clearly not what they are there for.

    So why do sitcoms have audiences? I don’t actually know. But I can guess that one reason would be for the benefit of the directors/editors etc. as having an actual group of people there to react to it lets you know what jokes aren’t working and need to be cut, or what line needs to be delivered differently or other such things as that. It’s like a test run of the show to see what people like and don’t like before you edit it down and show it on TV. Other reasons could be that it helps the cast and they work better in front of an audience, or perhaps it’s just nice to have a whole group of people there watching the show be performed and laughing at all the jokes-it’s probably a pretty nice feeling to see all those people enjoying what you do. Or maybe it’s for the atmosphere- I definitely enjoy a comedy a lot more when there’s audience laughter, it makes it feel more fun in my opinion.

    I don’t know if any of those reasons are legit since I was basically talking out of my arse, but studio audiences definitely don’t exist to tell TV viewers “when to laugh” and it’s really irritating when people say that they do. I don’t know why anyone would think that to begin with.

    #235816
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I suggested, “A sitcom is like seeing a recording of a play, or a standup special. You wouldn’t hate the audience so much if you were sitting in it.”

    He countered, “Yes I would. The other audience members are the price you pay for going to see a comedian perform.”

    Oh my god, just reading this almost physically hurt me. Imagine thinking that the ideal stand up comedy experience would just be you and the comedian alone in a room together. That’s the personal hell of comedians and comedy fans alike.

    At least you can make the argument that an audience isn’t necessary for plays, where there’s a metaphorical wall between the audience and the actors, but stand up? Fucking hell.

    Also, I’m pretty sure the price you pay for going to see a comedian perform is… the cost of the ticket?

    #235819
    tombow
    Participant

    there was a sad scene in Mrs Brown’s Boys where she talks about how she needs to be involved in her kids lives, and the audience went “aw” and she broke character and said “I’m a fecking man in a dress”. That annoyed me, because why add an emotional subplot and then mock us for getting involved with it.

    #235828
    Katydid
    Participant

    The transition from live audience to canned laughter in American sitcoms by the 1960s definitely _was_ producers believing the viewers need to be told when to laugh. But that’s par for the course of 1960s TV when there was largely very little faith in the intelligence of viewers among the Hollywood elite.

    Generally speaking I’d wager that the tradition of a live audience sitcom is very much that – a tradition. It’s the way sitcoms have generally always been made to the point where it’s kind of expected. Unfortunately in the modern times though, it’s in my experience (in America) only the insultingly broad garbage that’s made like a traditional audience sitcom; your Big Bang Theories, your 2 Broke Girlses, and any number of generic sitcoms that got cancelled after two seasons that you’d only ever discover when channel hopping in the hospital at 4 AM.

    I really can’t think of a good American sitcom from the past 15 years with an audience. I’d have to wager that a large part of the hatred toward studio audiences nowadays is a direct result of them largely only being utilized by garbage shows. Ever since Malcolm in the Middle and _especially_ since The Office, the better American shows have seemed to want to play single camera with no audience.

    I don’t want to try to speak for the modern television landscape in Britain because 90% of the British shows I’ve ever watched are from between 1970 and 1995.

    #235831
    Warbodog
    Member

    The Office came from a long line of mockumentaries that were appropriately free from audience laughter. But some 90s fools would apparently mistake things like People Like Us for a genuine documentary, so you have silly compromises like Operation Good Guys adding a laugh track from series two and becoming increasingly unbelievable plot-wise too.

    #235837
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    If I recall, it was originally insisted that the television version of ‘The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy’ would have a laugh track, and one was recorded for the first episode at a science-fiction convention in London, 1980. You can see an extract of this – namely the scene where Ford angers the pub landlord by trying to buy peanuts – and it just doesn’t work at all.

    #235840
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The worst fucking laugh track I’ve ever heard is any episode of That Mitchell and Webb Look. I know at least 2% of it is actually shot in front of an audience, but most of it isn’t, and it’s too clever and fast paced to show to an audience later because they just awkwardly laugh over the dialogue. The Grammar Nazi sketch is awful in that regard.

    #235848
    Stabbim the Skutter
    Participant

    Most of Series 3 has this really annoying bloke going “TUH-HUH-HUH-HUH-HUH” over it. Most noticeably in Polymorph after “This is a scalpel.” They got rid of him in the Remastered versions.

    But I adore the extended “Oh-hoh-hoh-hoh-HOH!” after the Series 8 cliffhanger gag in The Beginning.

    #235857
    Hamish
    Participant

    So what you are saying essentially is that some of you are no longer interested in at least some of the audience that Red Dwarf used to attract?

    #235872
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Oh, someone punch him out!

    #235900
    Mr-Stabby
    Participant

    I think it’s when Rimmer says ‘Imagine making love to a woman’ after Lister imagining making love to a woman with six breasts. Which is weird when you think it’s Series 1 and those audiences were a bit flat normally. But yeah you hear a lot of awwwwwws

    #235901
    Mr-Stabby
    Participant

    I think it’s when Rimmer says ‘Imagine making love to a woman’ after Lister imagining making love to a woman with six breasts. Which is weird when you think it’s Series 1 and those audiences were a bit flat normally. But yeah you hear a lot of awwwwwws

    #236568
    Dave
    Participant

    The squeaky giggle after Chris Barrie’s delivery of “but put them together” during the sandwich routine in Thanks For The Memory.

    I can’t tell whether it’s amusement or embarrassment.

    #236922
    Manbird
    Participant

    I always thought it was very sweet in “Balance of Power” hearing what’s obviously a kid chuckling along to the chocolate wrapper gag; it’s a pity the same person goes with ‘Euuuugh!’ when Rimmer makes his “Imagine making love to a woman” line in “Waiting for God”. (Was that scene [re]shot at the same time as “Balance”? Now *there’s* a question for ya…)

    Most annoying audience member EVER, though, has to be the twat who does a joyless, practically phonetic ‘Ha haa HAAA’ to every other bloody joke in the Hancock’s Half Hour episode “The Coach Journey”. It may be almost sixty years old, but I just want to find where that guy lives (if he’s still around, that is) and get medieval on his ass. Fucking idiot.

    #236951
    tombow
    Participant

    I thought it was a bit awkward in Skipper when they walk into the S1 bunkroom and the audience kind of give this loving murmur.

    #236993
    Katydid
    Participant

    I dunno, I thought that was pretty appropriate.

    #236994
    Dax101
    Participant

    I think it would have been abit more appropriate had the bunkroom not shown up in series 8.

    Imagine if that had been the first time we seen that bunkroom since series 2

    #236995
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    Yeah, sorry about that…

    #236996
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    One day.

    One day I’ll work out how to post properly on this forum.

    #236997
    tombow
    Participant

    I dunno, I mean it’s only a room. We’ve still had the same 2 men, the same style of banter, all through the years. If we all love the grey room so much why not just always use it? And why not cheer instead of murmer.

    #236999
    cwickham
    Participant

    I like that the audience sound genuinely moved by the reveal of the bunkroom. Seeing Rimmer and Lister there, in the Series I uniforms, is the capper of a big, nostalgia-driven celebration of the show’s past.

    The VIII recreation was seventeen years ago, and isn’t given the same kind of fanfare. The slow pan to reveal all of the bunkroom gives it more impact.

    #237000
    Dave
    Participant

    I think it would have been abit more appropriate had the bunkroom not shown up in series 8.

    A lot more time passed between Series VIII and Skipper than between Series I/II and Series VIII.

    #237010
    Dax101
    Participant

    In a way yeah but with series 8 we had about 6 seasons of no grey bunk room so it’s comeback was a big deal for series 8… Now technically yeah it’s been more years but really only 4 series since series 8

    #237013
    Dave
    Participant

    I think the amount of real-life time is probably the biggest factor in that kind of reaction.

    Mostly because it was more than 25 years since it had been seen in the first two series, though (I doubt many people were really thinking about its appearance in VIII when they saw it in Skipper).

    #237018
    tombow
    Participant

    I actually did feel emotional when I saw it in BITR…I was about to cheer, “yes classic Dwarf is back!”…so I was comparing the emotions of the 2 reveals…

    #237040
    si
    Participant

    The series VIII recreation was nothing next to that Skipper version. The detail in the XII take was divine.

    #237043

    I find it quite impressive that not once, but twice, they’ve recreated that set for one scene in one episode. You’d think that was a lot of effort to go to for just for the sake of continuity in VIII (which they have never been bothered about) and a bit of nostalgia in XII.

    I guess I understand XII a little more as that entire episode was built around being a nostalgic wankfest for the fans.

    VIII I’m surprised they didn’t use that set a couple of more times. Maybe there were plans to in the run up to being put in the tank. Like that scene with Rimmer and Lister and that has the gag about movers and shakers. Lister is in some kind of holding cell … when not long before he was under house arrest in his bunk. Why move him? Why not have those scenes in the bunk room?

    Also, now I think about it it sticks out like a sore thumb because the rest of the aesthetics for VIII are completely different, all the corridors, offices, bunks etc (that aren’t the tank) are different to anything we’ve seen before. This is explained in part by being a redesigned Red Dwarf from before the cut backs, but it doesn’t really fit in then having a post cut back bunk room there.

    #237044
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >VIII I’m surprised they didn’t use that set a couple of more times. Maybe there were plans to in the run up to being put in the tank. Like that scene with Rimmer and Lister and that has the gag about movers and shakers. Lister is in some kind of holding cell … when not long before he was under house arrest in his bunk. Why move him? Why not have those scenes in the bunk room?

    The holding cell scene actually was originally shot in the grey bunkroom, you can see it on the VIII Deleted Scenes on the DVD.

    #237049

    The holding cell scene actually was originally shot in the grey bunkroom, you can see it on the VIII Deleted Scenes on the DVD.

    ah right, I don’t usually bother with deleted scenes. Was there any explanation along with why it was re-shot?

    #237055

    The BITR deleted scenes are worth a peek, it’s amazing how much was re-shot.

    #237090
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    And why not cheer instead of murmer.

    Speaking as one of the audible “murmurers”, the simple answer is that you react how you react at the time, it’s not a choice to make a noise that you know will be heard, it’s a natural reaction that you can’t control. It was a genuine expression of what I/we felt at the time, which was basically “Awww, that’s lovely”.

    I don’t see how an out and out cheer would have felt less awkward, to be honest.

    #237094
    tombow
    Participant

    Sorry

    #257630
    Dave
    Participant

    At the start of Future Echoes, the weird “Aaahhhhhh” reaction that follows Lister saying “Good morning Rimmer” (immediately after the slobbing around comments) has always seemed weird to me.

    It’s like a noise of recognition/realisation that doesn’t really fit the scene, unless it’s because the audience is meeting them for the very first time (which might be true for that audience but doesn’t work for the home audience).

    #257631
    Ridley
    Participant

    “I can’t believe any of my guests could be an audible murmurer.”
    “That’s easy for you to say.”

    #257632
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    There are so many examples of the audience just not making a sound whatsoever at what are clearly funny lines, coupled with moments when the audience give a not-so funny line uproarious laughter (and even applause if it’s about mars bars), I really should start a list.

    #257634

    I clap like I’m trying to bring a fairy back to life everytime I think of that Mars Bar joke.

    #257637
    bloodteller
    Participant

    I’ve always wanted to go to an audience recording for a show and just moan erotically at one point while everyone else is laughing. That way the viewers at home will be very confused as to why you can hear someone having an Orgasm during one of the gags

    #258054
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    I dislike the notion of having a studio audience for RD. It creates a two-tier group of fans – those who go to the recordings and know what will happen in new episodes or specials, and those fans, especially ones in other countries, who do not. Worse, you almost always see many of the “recording-ists” act like smug arseholes after the episodes or specials are broadcast and non-recording-ist’s pre-broadcast speculation is shown to be wrong.

    #258056
    Dave
    Participant

    I don’t think that’s a reason to not have a studio audience, but I do think it’s maybe an argument for toning down that kind of explicit teasing from people who went to the recordings.

    For example, this from the article with the new image of Rimmer’s armour:

    It’s hard for us to say too much, having attended the recording, but for those of you who didn’t, get a load of this:

    I’m not sure that this adds anything to the article other than to remind us that a small handful of people saw the show being recorded and will already have some insight into aspects of the show that are still a mystery to most. Which

    (a) people who attended the recording will already be aware of, and
    (b) people who didn’t attend the recording will already be aware of too.

    Given that there’s such a (well-conceived and well-implemented) spoiler policy here, I’m not sure that people occasionally reminding everyone that they have spoilers that they can’t share is that helpful, especially given that so many fans were disappointed by not being able to get hold of the very limited number of tickets that were seemingly available for the recordings.

    I don’t think anyone is deliberately acting like a smug arsehole but I can see how it could be read like that, and could feel like it creates a tier of fans “in the know” that excludes everyone else.

    #258057
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >I dislike the notion of having a studio audience for RD.

    Red Dwarf is a studio-based sitcom.

    >It creates a two-tier group of fans – those who go to the recordings and know what will happen in new episodes or specials

    If anyone was ruining jokes or storylines. I’d sympathise. However, your complaint seem to be that you believe ‘recording-ists’ (?) are jotting down notes about incorrect speculation, so they can then wave it in people’s faces in a month’s time and say “Ha, ha. You were wrong”. I seriously doubt that’s happening. Would love to see your examples of people on here doing that for the last 18 episodes.

    The very point of spoilers (which you are actively seeking by coming to G+T) is that it’s a teasing dripfeed of information. If you don’t like that feeling, I would stop reading news and looking at photos of the special. Go in blind, if it truly annoys you that people know more about this than you.

    These days, a splintered audience (due to the episodes being streamed prior to broadcast, or the delay in reaching other countries) is just the way things are. Sure, the “recording-ists” saw *some* of the show months earlier, but that “two-tier’ is a little more complex when you factor in that this will never be a simultaneous broadcast for everyone who’s as invested as you.

    #258058
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Sorry if it came across like that, Dave, it certainly wasn’t intentional. It was more meant as an excuse for us not having any detailed analysis like we do for other things. I’ll be more careful with this sort of thing in future now that I know how people feel.

    #258060
    Dave
    Participant

    I didn’t mean it as a particular criticism of you or your article Ian, although I can see how my post reads like that (more pointed than I intended). It was just an example that was fresh in my mind.

    The truth is that any recorded show with a studio audience will by its nature have a small subset of people who know more about the content of the episode than most people do ahead of transmission.

    I think most of us would agree that Red Dwarf is better with a studio audience, and I think most of us would also agree that the G&T spoiler policy is sound and the show would ultimately be worse off if loads of spoilers were made public ahead of the show airing. So I think most people are probably happy with the situation as it stands.

    All I meant by my post was that I can understand how explicit reminders of the fact might feel a bit off-putting to those without that additional knowledge, especially if they’re disappointed with not having been able to attend the recordings in person.

    But overall I think G&T strikes that balance really well and rarely makes it feel like there’s a group of people more ‘in the know’ than others, so please don’t take my comment to be representative of my general feelings! I probably shouldn’t have singled out such a specific example.

    #258061
    Dave
    Participant

    It was more meant as an excuse for us not having any detailed analysis like we do for other things.

    And this makes perfect sense too. It would be dishonest to “speculate” about something when you know full well what the wider context is.

    #258062
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    That’s the trickiest part, trying to react to things as if you’d never seen them before, second-guessing yourself but still trying to be genuine. Treading the line of not wanting to piss off the production or the publicity teams, but still being fans first and remaining independent. It feels dishonest at times, and it’s always a blessed relief when each and every detail is made public, as it’s one less secret to keep hidden.

    I remember Back To Earth’s production fondly, as it was a lot more straightforward. Everyone was in the dark about everything, so we all reacted for the first time at the same time. But I’m aware that this is all about diamond-shoes-too-tight, and that I’m lucky to be in this situation overall.

    But anyway, I do appreciate the feedback, Dave, it’s good to talk things through and I know that anything you say is well-intentioned and good-natured.

    #258063
    Dave
    Participant

    Cheers, same.

    Looking forward to getting the full trailer to really give us all something to chew on.

    #258064
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    I read that bit of the article completely differently. Like you were asking us “non-recording attendeesists” to fill our boots in a celebration of speculation, as well as reminding those that did attend (recordist attendeenantists?) to give nothing away.
    And it’s always good fun to guess something correctly.
    Different strokes.

    #258065
    Ridley
    Participant

    It was more meant as an excuse for us not having any detailed analysis like we do for other things.

    That’s the way I (Philip J.) read it, for what that’s worth.

    Not that I do much of it anyway but it can be a little off-putting speculating about something half the room seems to already know about. Complaining that some people got to see episodes first as part of a free random lottery invitation, however, is silly, insecure fan entitlement.

    #258072
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    The truth is that any recorded show with a studio audience will by its nature have a small subset of people who know more about the content of the episode than most people do ahead of transmission.

    This is true of any recorded show without a studio audience as well, though. From people on the production (or people who are friends with people on the production who get told things), to journalists given preview copies… there’s always a situation where there are people out there who know more than the general viewing public.

    But when that general viewing public is a million or so people, and the number of people who’ve gone to see an audience recording number 250… I’m really not sure it’s all that big an issue.

    #258073
    Dave
    Participant

    Studio audiences are obviously somewhat different to that situation though, in terms of there being hundreds of members of the public who are not subject to the kind of formal agreements to not share information that would govern those other examples (whether through employment contracts with the production or journalist embargos) bug who are aware of this content.

    I don’t think anyone is saying that it’s a big issue in general, it’s only come up in the specific context of a fansite with writers who have already seen much of the show recorded and are then writing for an audience who largely aren’t privy to that information.

    And even then, it’s not that big a deal.

    #258078
    Spaceworm Jim
    Participant

    I think the whole idea of there being a two-tier group of fans is nonsense. It just comes across as trying to blame jealousy on other people. I don’t mean to be rude, and I’m sorry if this is coming across as twatty. Red Dwarf is vastly better with a studio audience. As Pete says, it’s a studio-based sitcom.

    I really love the guy who laughs too loudly in Polymorph. There was a similar person in the audience of at least one Hancock’s Half Hour episode, I think it was Hancock in the Police. When I heard it as a little worm I thought it was an audible signal to the audience to laugh. The cheer at the end of The Beginning is lovely, if a bit demented.

    #258080
    Dax101
    Participant

    I have no issue with the studio audience. the problem for me is when the show straight-up plays to the audience. abit like a pantomime. which is great for the audience whose there. but not that interesting for those watching from home. No matter how wild you get the studio audience on the day… i don’t think really says much about the quality of the material.

    If there was no audience. i probably could live with it. i don’t believe BTE suffered because there was no audience. i believe it suffered because the material felt tired.

    #258082
    Veni
    Member

    I’d rather be the audience at home watching it on TV than the one at the studio, specifically in this case, where you’d (for most people) know a chuck of the plot but be completely oblivious to everything else that happens. That’d drive me mad.

    #258083
    Veni
    Member

    the problem for me is when the show straight-up plays to the audience. abit like a pantomime. which is great for the audience whose there. but not that interesting for those watching from home.

    Its for this reason I can’t really rewatch the Holly bit of Skipper anymore, its so wanky its like what everybody at the time thought Back to Earth was (but wasn’t) where its just cheer after cheer. Its really too much, and unless you’ve been binge-watching and understand Holly’s been gone or you’re already aware of that, it seems so out of left field as well.

    The Hollister return is done way better, you get a real quick cheer at the beginning and everything afterward feels incredibly standard so I, as a viewer as home, can hear the jokes without any obnoxious applauding.

    #258369
    Offline
    Member

    The nostalgia dollarpound is still a strong draw

    #258409
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    I kind of agree with the obnoxious applause thing. It doesn’t work with repeated viewings.
    Possibly due to the show’s creator / writer being the director. Doug might have had his wrong hat on for that decision. Then again, it’s just a thought

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