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  • #11509
    Pete Part Three
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    Inspired by Ben’s comments in the 25th Anniversary thread, I decided to have go at creating an extended version of Holoship, reinstating the numerous removed lines and the one deleted scene from the DVD.

    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoude5_part-one_fun
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoufoz_part-two
    http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xoui2w_part-three_fun

    You can see the joins due to the sound-levels and filters, but pretty much everything is back where it was intended at the script stage. It runs at 35.48 mins, compared to the 27.56 mins of the original edit.

    To be frank, I was half-way through this and realised I was undoing a really fantastic edit. Holoship, while not a huge favourite of mine, moves along at a great pace while there’s moments here which turn it into a slow crawl. Pretty much everything that was deleted originally deserved to be – not least some truly bizarre moments by Matthew Marsh as Hercule Platini. This guy’s performance was saved by the editor and this may be worth bearing in mind in light of the worries about Series X guest stars.

    I don’t expect it to be online for long, but I primarily did this for my amusement, but if anyone else takes any interest in that, that’s a bonus.

    BUY THE DVDS. STAMP OUT PIRACY. SUPPORT THE BBC.

    #115302
    Jonsmad
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    Fuck the BBC. (they are no longer interested in the audience blah blah etc.)
    Stamp out Iain Lee.
    Buy the dvd.
    Thank pete part three.
    And lot of other things that end in eee.

    I watched that, and it’s pretty much the same I feel having watched those deleted scene’s. In that dafter jokes, and madder performances do not add, they take away consistent mood of the characters arch. I do still really like the porn magazine jokes, and those are on the line for me, as to wether it’s better with those in or out, the scene does feel too long and uneven with the whole of it in the show, but I think there was other edits that could work in that scene for longer running time, but mostly the rest they chose well what to cut.

    Watching it in this edit I wondered all the more if they would have been better with Don Warrington in it more, as one kind of character that was both the captain and the inspector of the star bug crew.

    #115304
    pfm
    Participant

    > Fuck the BBC.

    Except BBC Worldwide, of course…

    #115309
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >the worries about Series X guest stars

    Which worries?

    I know there was one guest actor that Cappsy wasn’t keen on in one of his reports… but that was very much an exception (and even then, a fair few people disagreed with him).

    I can’t think of a weak guest appearance in any of the episodes I saw. Episode six, in particular, features possibly the most universally superb guest cast I can recall across the entirety of RD.

    #115310
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    There’s also one other actor I’m a bit iffy about but, yes, other than that I thought the guest cast was excellent (and surprisingly numerous).

    #115313
    MANI506
    Participant

    Great stuff Pete Part Three. The original edit is the best comically but really good to see the full length version of legend.

    Also Bobby is king of the Smeg Ups in this episode. ‘Well now I understand, oh, I’ve just forgotten what I understood there.’

    #115314
    MANI506
    Participant

    Hatties deleted scene works really well until it cuts to the sleeping quarters with Holly in the background. This can be explained logically of course but still looks a little odd.

    #115316
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    Matthew Marsh is ridiculously over the top with that hand jive he’s got going on. It’s almost as if he’s not taking it seriously.

    #115317
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >Which worries?

    I don’t know where I got this from specifically but I assume it was Cappsy’s comment in one of the set reports. I was slightly uneasy with an actor in Episode 1, but only because it’s an “important” character. I think this enforced my thoughts that there was some concern about some of them, but I guess that’s me projecting!

    #115318
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    >Episode six, in particular, features possibly the most universally superb guest cast I can recall across the entirety of RD.

    What? More superb than Jenny Agutter? I seriously doubt it….***sigh***

    #115323
    clem
    Participant

    > Episode six, in particular, features possibly the most universally superb guest cast I can recall across the entirety of RD.

    What he said.

    > What? More superb than Jenny Agutter? I seriously doubt it….***sigh***

    More superb than Jenny Agutter in Red Dwarf, yes, although none of them got their minge out like she does in Walkabout.

    #115324
    clem
    Participant

    I hope that doesn’t qualify as a spoiler.

    #115327
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    The thought of it nearly spoilered my pants!

    #115330
    Alex
    Participant

    To be frank, I was half-way through this and realised I was undoing a really fantastic edit. Holoship, while not a huge favourite of mine, moves along at a great pace while there’s moments here which turn it into a slow crawl. Pretty much everything that was deleted originally deserved to be.

    I’d go with that. If anything, this extended version shows what a part the edit played in making this a good episode.

    #115332
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I’ll have to watch this when I get home from work, but I’m pleased someone’s done it. Thanks, Pete Part Three. Thete Thart Thhree.

    #115333
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    So that was fascinating. I think the episode definitely benefited from the tighter broadcast edit, although it was a shame to lose some of the stuff between Rimmer and Nirvana.

    Thanks for putting this together.

    #115334
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >What? More superb than Jenny Agutter? I seriously doubt it….***sigh***

    Ah, but I said “universally” superb. Psirens may have Agutter, but it also has Miss GE’ OOTA THA BELT WHILE YA STILL CAN!

    #115335
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    IS THAAT MEEAAT?!?!

    #262078
    RunawayTrain
    Participant

    Well that was interesting. I think I largely agree re: pacing and Platini. The main things I’d liked to have seen kept in the episode are the parts with Rimmer and Nirvana, and possibly some of the extra discussion about replacement hologram candidates and the odd line when Rimmer originally returns.

    The Holly scene doesn’t *quite* work for me, because with her already in the background of the replacement interviews you’d think she’d let the others know Rimmer was on his way. Maybe if they had the first part of interviewing replacements, then cut to Rimmer and Holly, then cut back to the sleeping quarters when they’re about to interview Murray (the second one candidate the audience see) just before Rimmer arrives. But that may not make sense because he would take longer than that to arrive, as shown in the original sequence. Okay I’m overthinking it, time to shut up now.

    #262145

    Most of it is just stuff that they would normally have left out anyway, without much issue. It’s definitely the Nirvanah and Rimmer relationship that suffers, they go from walking down the corridor to a tiny bit of post-coital chat to him leaving, which doesn’t sell their feelings at all.

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