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  • #227837

    Ben Saunders

    I’m sure everybody knows this, but in the Remastered version of Polymorph, Kryten’s line “it’s here… somewhere” has been dubbed over with a whisper, to cover for the fact that Robert used his natural accent to deliver it originally.

    This annoys me because 1) I liked the original delivery, as it felt really urgent and atmospheric and lent a serious mood to the piece, and 2) it still sounds like Robert Llewellyn, whispering, not Kryten.

    I wonder if he dubbed any other lines like “Blue Midget is loaded” or if they literally got him in just to do one line.

    #227848

    Flap Jack

    I tell you, the more I hear about these “Remastered” episodes, the less I like ’em!

    #227850

    Lily

    Bloody hell you’ve got a good ear. I just had to flick between them several times to hear the difference. At first it just sounded like they’d muffled the line to make it more whispery.

    #227852

    bloodteller

    >I wonder if he dubbed any other lines like “Blue Midget is loaded” or if they literally got him in just to do one line.

    If i recall correctly, there’s a line in one of the Remastered eps where Kryten says “Mr Lister” wheras in the original it was just “Lister”, but that’s the only other example i can think of

    #227853

    Ben Saunders

    Rimmer’s mum is also dubbed over, I think with a different actress, in Polymorph. I wonder if they would have done the same for Dimension Jump.

    I only noticed because it’s a super memorable moment for me, and I specifically went looking for that scene to put music under for my screen composition class. The remastered version also has new music over that scene so I’m sticking to the original for two reasons (I was thinking -maybe- picture quality would be better/more consistent over clips from several different series).

    On the DVD commentary for the original episode Robert says…. nothing apparently?! I went to go check there to make sure, but he doesn’t even mention it, even though I’m -convinced- he did. Spooky.

    #227855

    Seb Patrick

    In the Re-Dwarf documentary you can see the Rimmer’s mum redub as one of the notes they show. It says something like replace with a more “well-spoken” voice, which she has in Dimension Jump. So I doubt they would have changed it there, I think they were just aiming for more consistency between the two versions.

    #227856

    Dax101

    Well the differences between the voices alone wouldn’t have been consistent.

    #227866

    Ben Saunders

    Despite best efforts, consistency was hardly Remastered’s strong point – the Holly continuity in Series I is just shocking.

    Also the homogenisation of the opening titles is also bizarre, given that III -already had- a zany guitar into, and you show clips from the wrong series in every series. And the shot of Lister getting zapped in Queeg is held for far too long.

    #227868

    Dave

    I always rationalised it as the Polymorph giving Rimmer’s mum an extra rough-sounding voice and general dirtiness, to get him even more riled up. I’m not sure polymorphs always go for 100% authenticity, as I’ve never seen a slinky that can walk up stairs either.

    #227883

    International Debris

    Given that Rimmer’s mum has been dead for three million years and has never been billions of miles into space, it’s probably fair to say that authenticity went out of the window she arrived.

    #227885

    bloodteller

    do you reckon when Lister had sex with the Mrs Rimmer-Morph it was like in Can Of Worms with all the pipe things and antennae?

    #227886

    Dax101

    I always assumed lister didn’t actually have sex with polymorph Mrs Rimmer, it was just assumed because he woke up next to her and that Lister was too much of an asshole to say he didn’t.

    #227894

    Jonsmad

    No cus Lister didnt give birth to a hedgehog in a top hat, so any sex didnt result in a pregnant lister like it did a pregnant cat, so wasnt the same.

    #227897

    Ben Saunders

    Yeah it was a male Polymorph anyway wasn’t it

    #227901

    Katydid

    So it was a gay polymorph? That should’ve been the plot of Timewave.

    #227905

    Lily

    I’d likewise always thought that the Lister/Mrs Rimmer sex hadn’t happened either. After all, no sign of the alphabetti spaghetti anywhere and I’m sure anything fun with that would end up being messy.

    There’s nothing to say it was a male though. Cat’s polymorph had a batch of fertilised eggs ready to lay in a host, but that doesn’t mean all females are always carrying eggs.

    As with many things Red Dwarf, it doesn’t do to pick at the logic too hard. If polymorphs ‘feed’ off of emotions, why do the crew get them back when it dies?

    #227911

    bloodteller

    > If polymorphs ‘feed’ off of emotions, why do the crew get them back when it dies?

    magic

    #227916

    Dave

    After all, no sign of the alphabetti spaghetti anywhere and I’m sure anything fun with that would end up being messy.

    Clearly at that point the Polymorph had turned into the alphabetti spaghetti, then turned back into Rimmer’s mum after all the fun.

    #227976

    bloodteller

    >After all, no sign of the alphabetti spaghetti anywhere and I’m sure anything fun with that would end up being messy.

    what exactly was it implied they did with the alphabetti spaghetti anyway? when i was younger i always assumed lister had shoved some up his arse or something, but i highly doubt that’s right.

    #227977

    quinn_drummer

    He used it to correctly fill out the answers to the Astro Navs

    #227979

    Ben Saunders

    I think it’s just the funniest possible thing anyone could ever shout in rage

    #227980

    International Debris

    It’s one of those ‘funny things used in sex’ jokes that doesn’t hold up to much scrutiny. As Ben says, it makes for a superb response from Rimmer.

    #227985

    Dave

    You’ve all got very limited imaginations.

    #227990

    si

    He used the spaghetti letters to spell out ‘willy’.

    #227997

    flanl3

    There’s the lady and the tramp spaghetti scene. Would that work with alphabetti spaghetti?

    #228001

    Ben Saunders

    He made the spaghetti spell out RIM MER then ate the R

    #228016

    bloodteller

    which R

    #228020

    Ben Saunders

    Her Rs

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