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  • #2205
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Just received the following from a friend:

    In more important news, and I mean that quite sincerely, a guy in Fallout 2 mentioned his mining buddy “Dangerous Dan McGrew”.

    Firstly: Ahaha, you’ll never know what the less minor news was, idiots!

    Secondly: Any more examples of Dwarf being referenced in a game?

    #120871
    Dave
    Participant

    I believe the Liverpool edition of the popular series has been renamed:

    Grand Scrump Auto

    #120872
    Ghostie
    Participant

    First of all, hey all, I never posted in these forums yet!

    Second, I see dwarfy names in games quite a lot – I play a lot of FPS games and theres often a Rimmer or Lister to be seen galavanting around shooting people in the head ;)

    I have yet to see a non playable character with a dwarfy name yet tho

    #120875
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    I remember Worms having a ‘default’ team name of Rimmer, Lister, Kryten and Cat.

    #120876
    Dave
    Participant

    The only computer games I know well are the first two Monkey Island games, but apparently there is a Dwarf reference in the Fourth:

    http://www.worldofmi.com/features/trivia/injokes.php?game=MI4&s=s#205

    #120878
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Wow, Monkey Island 4 has now almost justified its existence. ALMOST.

    #120879
    Phil
    Participant

    Larry Vales II: Dead Girls Are Easy has series VIII Rimmer in a prison cell.

    #120884
    peas_and_corn
    Participant

    >I remember Worms having a ?default? team name of Rimmer, Lister, Kryten and Cat.

    Yeah, it is in the first 3-D one. Wasn’t in WWP, Worms 1-3, though.

    #120891
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Gah, this has reminded me I need to scan in all the Dwarf references from the comic Liberty Meadows and get them posted here…

    #120908
    Joey TORDFC
    Participant

    >> I remember Worms having a ?default? team name of Rimmer, Lister, Kryten and Cat.

    This.

    #120909
    Joey TORDFC
    Participant

    >>Liberty Meadows

    Read it before, just the odd issue, but never noticed any Dwarf references. To be honest all I saw was jailbait.

    #120912
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Jailbait? In what way? All the characters are adults… or, er, animals. Frank Cho’s famed for his cheesecake art, it’s true; although to be fair he also makes jokes about it throughout the strip, and his characters are well-rounded (er, as it were).

    Anyway, yes, Cho is clearly a Dwarf plan – there’s an entire plot built around the idea of an heroic alternate universe double “testing out” a weedier version in order to make him his successor; and at one point in said story, another character is watching Dwarf on TV. Cho’s also drawn himself in the strip with an RD t-shirt on, and I remember seeing a SMEG in there at some point as well…

    #120929
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The very first Simon the Sorcerer game, in which the titular character was voiced by Chris Barrie, includes a sequence where Simon is set on fire by a dragon with a cold. Simon backs out of the cave, cover from head to toe in ash, says “ouch,” and falls over. Clicking the mouse anywhere makes Simon stand up, shake off the ash, and say, “Lucky I was wearing my asbestos underpants.”

    I like to think this is a reference to some of Rimmer’s dialogue from “The Last Day.”

    #120932
    Phil
    Participant

    You actually purchase (and wear) a pair of asbestos underpants in Space Quest III, so that you can survive a trip to the magma planet Ortega.

    Obviously the Barrie link makes your example much stronger, but it reminded me. Since I played SQIII before seeing Dwarf, Rimmer’s line always reminded me of the game, rather than vice versa.

    #120933
    mick
    Participant

    One of the Broken Sword games (or possibly Flight of the Amazon Queen now I think about it) has the lines:

    “Is that a cigarette your smoking?”

    “No old boy, It’s a chicken”

    #120958
    Joey TORDFC
    Participant

    >>Jailbait? In what way? All the characters are adults

    I thought she was a teenager, though maybe the artist just made her look young? I’m just not sure about that sort of thing, I can see why it’s attractive to young men though ;-) If there was a comic about a heroine that didn’t get her arse or tits out then I might read it. I’m not a feminist at all but it would be nice.

    #120967
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >If there was a comic about a heroine that didn?t get her arse or tits out then I might read it

    Well, as a pro-feminist comic book fan with a very feminist girlfriend, you can probably imagine I’m fairly knowledgeable on this front ;-) While there’s nothing wrong with drawing characters to look attractive, blatant and unrealistic oversexualisation of female characters is one of the things that blights the industry more than any other. But if you do want to read some comics with good female leads, I’d unreservedly recommend :

    The Ballad of Halo Jones (by Alan Moore) – anybody in any way interested in positive portrayals of women in comics absolutely HAS to read this book

    The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (by Alan Moore – spot a pattern?) – Mina Harker is the team’s leader, and one of the best characters

    Alias (by Brian Michael Bendis) – nothing to do with the TV series of the same name, but to quote my friend James’ review of a different comic recently : “Once upon a time there was a book called Alias and it was, by a considerable distance, the best female-fronted superhero comic that has ever been published. It was written by Bendis, drawn by Gaydos, and for its entire run of 28 issues you could barely hope to encounter a finer title on the shelves.”

    Powers (by Brian Michael Bendis, again) – series about two cops who investigate superhero-related murders. One of them is a superbly-written female character called Deena Pilgrim.

    There are a handful of others (apparently the current She-Hulk series is quite good, as is DC’s Manhunter; Birds of Prey and anything else featuring wheelchair-bound former Batgirl Barbara Gordon is quite decent when written by Gail Simone), but those are really the top ones.

    It’s a poor haul in terms of quantity… but not in terms of quality.

    #120968

    What about Runaways? Most of the cast is female, and damn well portrayed. (Altho’ they’re also teenagers, and as such there’s a certain amount of Required Teen Dramaz, so it might not be quite what you’re looking for. Still, I do like many of the characters.)

    #121055
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Surely everyone who thinks women and men should be treated equally by society is a feminist by default? Feminism is a very broad church of ideas, and I’m bothered by the very fact that someone needs to define themselves as a ‘feminist’ nowadays.

    #121056
    Andrew
    Participant

    > Surely everyone who thinks women and men should be treated equally by society is a feminist by default?

    This is where I get irked – because that’s my take, and where I stand…but I still wind up in arguments with ‘feminists’ who have taken it to be a near-fascistic mode of thinking, requiring the eradication of men from all positions of authority, the destruction and banning of all pornography, and the default right for any woman speaking to be heard over any man.

    #121057
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    These people aren’t feminists, just fucking cunts.

    #121058
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Well, quite. Feminism shouldn’t be used as an excuse to behave like a bully.

    #121061
    Seph
    Participant

    Most (sane) feminists do think men and woman should be treated equally, unfortunatly as with any political or religious group, you get insane extremists who just want to harm as many people as possible.

    #121064
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Most feminists I’ve met have been of the opinion that the answer to Sexism against Women is Sexism against Men, which is, of course, utter shash.

    #121066
    pfm
    Participant

    Some feminists are all testicles and blunt knives.

    What’s the point in women appearing in media of any kind unless they’ve got the goods on show? On another note, when an actress says she’ll never do a nude scene it’s only because she knows she’ll look crap in it, not because she’s taking some moral stance.

    Nude scenes don’t harm the career of a good actress. Kate Winslet, for instance, nude scenes in stuff like Quills and, of course, Titanic don’t detract from the excellent performances she gives in Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, Finding Neverland et al. Incidentally, I am in actual love with her, and have been since I was about 14. If it wasn’t for her willingness to do nude scenes this may never have happened… She’s a normal mum too. She does normal things like going to the shops, like normal, and going to a normal pub… (sorry x 100…)

    #121068
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    You can always rely on performingmonkey to bring sanity to a discussion.

    #121524
    ChrisM
    Participant

    The Ballad of Halo Jones (by Alan Moore) – anybody in any way interested in positive portrayals of women in comics absolutely HAS to read this book

    I second this. It is a great book, (and the most recent graphic novel I bought.)

    I find it interesting that it’s described as a ‘feminist space opera’ though. To me it’s a good story (or rather set of stories as, they’re various stories collected from 2000 AD) with a good female lead. She’s not ultraheroic, or anything like that though. Just a normal girl who ends up in extraordinary circumstances, (although coping with those circumstances could be argued to be very heroic. She leaves her momotonous life and does something while others stay put and make do…) which I think is part of the appeal.

    I suppose the character of the Glyph was concerned in part with gender identity but I’m not certain that has anything to do with feminism, more to do with individual identity and loneliness. A very poignant character though. (Without spoiling too much, she reminds me of a couple of characters who appear in Buffy. Those girls who vanish…)

    As for feminism… if feminism is the belief that men and women are equal and should have equal rights, then I guess I’m a feminist. I dislike the term though, partly due to the associations, where some feminists seem to think it means the maculinism of women. Doesn’t that defeat the whole point? Of course men and women are different, and that’s a good thing surely. Why would they want to be the same?That doesn’t mean they are not equal though. Also the whole term ‘feminism’ seems biassed to me.

    Everyone should be equal and treat others how they want to be treated. (Unless their negative actions make them otherwise, but then that’s their fault, and they have the option of bettering themselves. )

    Back to the strong females in comics:
    Buffy fans might also like Joss Whedon’s Fray. It’s essentially a science fiction story set in the Buffyverse with a whole other slayer lead. Sure there’s strong similarities with Buffy, but there is are interesting twists to this story, and the futuristic setting with hover cars and mutants, along with vampires and demons definitely add something.

    So far they’ve only done two stories based on the the character, as far as I know, a graphic novel and a short story set in an Slayer anthology book (‘Tales of the Slayers’, I believe it’s called, another good read by the way.) I hope Whedon goes back to the character at some point.

    Actually in a foreword concerning the character Whedon actually mentioned that he didn’t want her to have big breasts. Or to put it more succinctly, he wanted her to look like a normal girl not something blown out of proportion as they tend to be in many comics. She’s still quite a hottie though, just not gratuitously so. (Of course some women do have big boobies too… but of course balance is the point isn’t it? Or lack of it if they lean forward too far… see what I did there?.)

    #121526
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I hope Whedon goes back to the character at some point.

    You really should be reading the Buffy season eight comics, if you’re not already. You’ll be in for a very nice surprise in a few issues’ time, if so.

    >I dislike the term though, partly due to the associations, where some feminists seem to think it means the maculinism of women.

    Gaaaah. This is the problem, though, with the public perception of feminism. Too many people think of feminism as a bunch of man-hating, shaven-headed fundamentalists, because of a small group (and one that’s getting smaller and smaller) within the movement as a whole. True feminism isn’t about hating men, it’s about seeing men and women as equal, and seeking to bring down the patriarchy that dominates society – not to replace it with a matriarchy, but simply with something more equal. People like Andrew might say that it’s a bit of a no-brainer to see everyone as equal, and that’s all well and good – but as with racism, the activism is necessary, even if it does seem a bit heavy-handed, in order to change the way that people think. Because the world is still predominantly patriarchal and sexist, and that still needs to change.

    (incidentally, in an ideal world, I’d call myself a feminist. But there are enough women who get offended by men applying the term to themselves that it’s safer ground to call oneself a “pro-feminist”. Like I say, though, this is a minority that’s getting smaller and quieter, and hopefully one day “feminism” will be such a default opinion that it won’t even need a term to describe it. It should be the same as “not being a racist”)

    #121548
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Now, if I were in any sense creative, I’d make a gif with Seb’s face and ‘NOT A SEXIST’ alternating. But I’m not, so you’ll have to imagine it.

    #121559
    ChrisM
    Participant

    You really should be reading the Buffy season eight comics, if you?re not already. You?ll be in for a very nice surprise in a few issues? time, if so.

    Really? I haven’t read any Buffy comics except what I mentioned (which strictly speaking isn’t Buffy as it’s other slayer in that universe.) I’m definitely interested in taking a peek though. Have they done any trade paperbacks yet?

    Comics I’m reading at the moment are 2000AD and Dark Tower: The Long Road Home. That’s the second prequel series to Stephen King’s Dark Tower books. Great art, although I found the story matter of this issue a bit suspect. I’m looking forward to the next issues though as we’ve moved out of the Wizard and Glass teritory now into whole new material.

    I see your point concerning the feminism by the way. I accept improvements could be made in society for women’s rights. As for women being more in the forefront, I actually don’t think many really want to, but taking a background role doesn’t mean that role is inferior. I know you wasn’t saying it was, this is just a general observation I’m making. I.e. when career women regard the idea of being a housewife and bringing up children with contempt for example. Sure a woman should have the oportunity to follow her career, but that doesn’t make the housewife’s role inferior. In fact both work very hard, just in different areas.

    I agree that women should have equal oportunity to take their career/life.etc where they want it to go though… which I guess is the whole point.

    #121561
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Marbloid sez
    I?m definitely interested in taking a peek though. Have they done any trade paperbacks yet?

    Yep – the first story arc is collected in Season Eight Volume 1: The Long Way Home. You can find it here.

    #121572
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Cheers for that Ben.

    #121594
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    I attended a course at work recently, which was held after the plans for a women’s group at our office was announced at a general meeting, to a bit of controversy. One male attendee said during a coffee break that if a male group were set up, there would be a lot of fuss made. As it wasn’t professional to tell him to fuck off, I replied that he was talking from the perspective that women and men are treated equally in the workplace, and that there is an awful lot of evidence to suggest that isn’t the case. He bowed out gracefully and the trainer took that as an excuse to end the coffee break…

    #121704
    Joey TORDFC
    Participant

    Going back to Tanya’s comment about the workplace, on the contrary our office is very biased towards women rather than men (and particularly mothers). The company is directed by a very tightknit group of powerful and very well paid women. We have the same number of each, yet the women (in particular those that are ‘in’ with the directors) seem to get the promotions and payrises AND flexible working shifts for mothers (they work three day weeks, which is four out of 11 staff, a father has asked for the same to become a part-time househusband but been denied).

    It’s literally like I’m in backwards Earth in the 1980s.

    #121707
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Getting back to vidjagames with Dwarf references in it, this thread inspired me to finally pick up a copy of The Feeble Files, in which Robert Llewellyn voices the main character. The game was developed by Adventure Soft, who also developed Simon the Sorcerer.

    ScummVM supports The Feeble Files, but I have to convert the FMV from Bink format into something ScummVM supports. It’s given me instructions but I can’t understand them. They may as well be printed backwards in a poorly-translated instructional manual for a Cantonese VCR player for all I can do with them.

    #121726
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    In other words, Joey, your workplace is actively practising discrimination, and I’d advise you join a union just in case you get on the wrong side of those in authority.

    #121758
    Joey TORDFC
    Participant

    Ben – Feeble appears to have a massive error halfway through which means you can’t complete the game.

    Tanya – Wish I knew where to start! It’s an SME of 11 people and I’m not a member of the CIM or any PR body…to be honest I don’t think any of us would have a leg to stand on if anything went drastically wrong.

    #121759
    Andrew
    Participant

    > and I?m not a member of the CIM

    I wish I didn’t automatically think this stood for something quite different. It’d probably make me a better person.

    #121762
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Filth.

    #121764
    Ridley
    Participant

    I haven?t read any Buffy comics except what I mentioned (which strictly speaking isn?t Buffy as it?s other slayer in that universe.)

    You might be interested in http://www.darkhorse.com/search/search.php?frompage=userinput&sstring=Buffy+omnibus&x=0&y=0 aswell then.

    Just out of interest, which tag on this site is the one to url link with text instead of the whole web address? :P

    #121765
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Just out of interest, which tag on this site is the one to url link with text instead of the whole web address? :P

    The HTML one.

    #121767
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    Joey, this seems a good place to start; http://www.tuc.org.uk/tuc/unions_main.cfm

    The TUC should be able to advise you on your particular sector and workplace, so at least you’ll be aware of your rights, regardless of whether you end up joining a union or not.

    #121840
    Ridley
    Participant

    The HTML one.

    Ha ha! You lose!

    #110465
    Nick R
    Participant

    A few days ago I bought one of those fancy new, hopefully-slightly-less-unreliable-than-before Xbox 360 Esses. (My Gamertag’s VariedVarieties, if anyone else here is on Live.) I spotted this in Halo 3’s multiplayer armour menu (apologies for the crap photo of a crap 4:3 SDTV):

    #110466
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Sweeeet.

    #110468
    Stabbim the Skutter
    Participant

    The first level of Donkey Kong Land 3 is called Red Wharf.

    #110473
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I’m on Xbox Live as well. The gamertag is MeaneyLlew, and I will often be seen playing Worms 2: Armageddon and Fallout 3.

    #110488
    Fluffy Wok
    Participant

    If we’re talking Gamer names I’m on PS3 as fluffy_wok. I don’t believe in xbox, Mr Gates steals enough of my money from my pc needs

    #110489
    Nick R
    Participant

    I don’t believe in xbox

    I just believe in me
    PC and me
    And that’s reality

    #110490
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I defected from the PlayStation camp to the Xbox fortress with this latest generation. Microsoft’s online stuff is just better. Sony have never really had a clue how to properly handle their online infrastructure.

    Of course, Nintendo are worse.

    #110491
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    If we’re talking Gamer names I’m on PS3 as fluffy_wok.

    And my invitation has been sent :)

    Anyone else on PS3?

    #110493
    Alex
    Participant

    Well if we’re going through gamertags then mine is VS Band. I’m guessing a fair ammount of Partridge fans got all the other variations of Venture South that I tried first.

    #110495
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    PS3: Squirminator2k
    360: MeaneyLlew
    Steam: Squirminator2k
    XFire: Squirminator2k

    #110497
    Fluffy Wok
    Participant

    > I defected from the PlayStation camp to the Xbox fortress with this latest generation. Microsoft’s online stuff is just better. Sony have never really had a clue how to properly handle their online infrastructure.

    My lack of belief is not so much from the idealogical or online infrastructure and more from the fact that I currently support a four platform habit of pc, wii, ps3 and psp (although spend on the wii and psp is minimal at the moment) The ps3 was a gift from the wife in the days when we were both working full time and could afford such awesome frivolity. Going for a third console now may just make me bankrupt rather than broke.

    > And my invitation has been sent :)

    Will accept ASAP. spent most of yesterday trying to fix the Missus’ laptop that had a giant electronic aneurysm so didn’t go online.

    #110498
    redhead85
    Participant

    > spent most of yesterday trying to fix the Missus’ laptop that had a giant electronic aneurysm so didn’t go online

    Hopefully my ickle netbook can be revived over the weekend :-( *sob*

    #110499
    hummingbird
    Participant

    >> spent most of yesterday trying to fix the Missus’ laptop that had a giant electronic aneurysm so didn’t go online

    > Hopefully my ickle netbook can be revived over the weekend :-( *sob*

    O noes! I hope you’ve backed up the lovely ficcage.

    #110501
    Fluffy Wok
    Participant

    > O noes! I hope you’ve backed up the lovely ficcage.

    I managed to back up stuff before it all went crazys and its all stored now on on my big ugly desktop. No panic.

    #110504
    redhead85
    Participant

    > O noes! I hope you’ve backed up the lovely ficcage.

    Netbook has been revivved, huzzah! Recent fics have been backed up but I lost my old ones months ago (I don’t have copies of most of the Ace Chronicles on ff.net OOPS)

    (By the way, incredibly touched that you were worried about fic loss. Loveoo!)

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