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  • #276269
    Flap Jack
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    Doesn’t Doug say in that commentary that Rob ordered Gazpacho soup but didn’t send it back?

    That’s what Rob himself says in interviews from the mid-90s.

    Well, he says like “Rob said he’d had gazpacho soup before”, but that just seemed to be a way of saying they knew what it was before they wrote about it. Ed laughs in reaction.

    Although now I think about it, I’m not sure if Rob did he say he sent it back. But they were at least confused by the cold soup and were murmuring about it, and had to be informed that gazpacho was served cold.

    I’m always a bit annoyed how the window in Mr and Mr Rimmer’s quarters couldn’t possibly work, as it backs onto the corridor Lister walks down to get to it.

    Oh, wow, I never twigged that. I guess that means it’s a fake window in-universe, or the corridor is shaped weirdly so it curves round to avoid where the window would be or something.

    #276271
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I’ve never got around to listening to any of those commentaries, but the old, old story from the Programme Guide or wherever was that they were served the soup in some kind of important TV meeting, momentarily worried that there’d been a mistake, then remembered they’d heard about a soup that was supposed to be served cold. A classic tale, possibly bullshit.

    #276272

    It’s this shape. The room juts out the side of the ship. Admittedly you ought to be able to see the ship from the window but you can’t have everything. And the same could be said for the window in Rimmer and Lister’s bunk.

    #276273
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I’ve never got around to listening to any of those commentaries, but the
    old, old story from the Programme Guide or wherever was that they were
    served the soup in some kind of important TV meeting, momentarily
    worried that there’d been a mistake, then remembered they’d heard about a
    soup that was supposed to be served cold. A classic tale, possibly
    bullshit.

    That does more or less match what Rob said in the Quarantine commentary, key details being that Rob and Doug were both there and that it was a TV execs type meal. He said at the time they just called it “melon soup”, not gazpacho.

    Though I only watched it the other day and I already feel like I need to watch it again to remind myself of the details.

    #276276

    Maybe it’s a reverse-fish eye window?

    #276282

    It’s this shape. The room juts out the side of the ship. Admittedly you ought to be able to see the ship from the window but you can’t have everything. And the same could be said for the window in Rimmer and Lister’s bunk.

    It’s a nice try, but the ‘LEVEL / NIVELO’ sign is definitely at (pretty much) right angles to the wall with their door.

    #276284

    It’s this shape. The room juts out the side of the ship. Admittedly you ought to be able to see the ship from the window but you can’t have everything. And the same could be said for the window in Rimmer and Lister’s bunk.

    It’s a nice try, but the ‘LEVEL / NIVELO’ sign is definitely at (pretty much) right angles to the wall with their door.

    That’s Rimmer and Rimmer’s door.

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    #276288
    Dave
    Participant

    #276372
    clem
    Participant

    > Confidence carries around a lightbulb just so he can hover it over Lister’s head when he has an idea.                                                                                                       I always like to imagine he conjures the bulb from nowhere, like The Mask or Harpo Marx. Solid hallucinations have access to Hammerspace. Come to think of it, they’re kind of *from* Hammerspace? 

    Hm, unfortunately you can see that he’s got it in his hand when he walks into the room. He should definitely just produce it from behind his back or something. Episode ruined.

    Don’t think I’ve ever clocked Titan Hilton on Lister’s blanket before. Nicely prefigures his hotel room theft story in Justice.

    #276379
    Unrumble
    Participant

    #276454
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Just playing catch up on the refresh now, finally done with series 1 now.

    I keep meaning to makes notes on things that stand out to me during this re-watch and always forget so when I come to contribute on here I’ve forgotten half of the things I wanted to say!

    One thing which has caught my eye is some observations about Rimmer’s uniform:

    * Why on his short sleeved version does he lose his rank label “Second Technician” which normally sits on the left under his ticks? They move the red label over from the right on the short sleeved version (which I think is the name tag?) Do the JMC just not care enough about people in short sleeves to allow them to display their position on ship!?

    * And yet, apparently his role as Second Tech is important enough that it needs to be shown on his pyjamas! (I think come series 2 he even gets it on his bloody dressing gown!) Do JMC personnel regularly need to go to work in their night garments?!

    * Also, I think it’s ironic that Holly brings Rimmer back in the “classic” outfit that we see him in for most of the first two series, when in (I think at least) every single flashback we get to his time before the accident he never actually wears this core outfit – he’s either in overalls or he’s got a jacket or gillet/bodywarmer over the top

    #276458
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Also I always find that Chris slightly tripping over his lines toward the end with “I didn’t know gazpacho soup was-smeant to be served cold.” feels quite unusual for him – it’s normally Robert who gets away with a bit of a fumble.

    #276460
    Unrumble
    Participant

     And yet, apparently his role as Second Tech is important enough that it needs to be shown on his pyjamas! (I think come series 2 he even gets it on his bloody dressing gown!) Do JMC personnel regularly need to go to work in their night garments?!

    I think I always assumed that having them on his pyjamas was a personal affectation of Rimmer’s. He’s so obsessed with rank and hierarchy (“you ARE your job”), not to mention military history, that I can easily see him stitching on/asking Holly to simulate official badges on clothing that doesn’t require them.

    #276461
    Jenuall
    Participant

    True, he probably put his rank on his ship issue condoms as well.

    I guess that just makes it more surprising when he’s shown wearing things that don’t include it like his short sleeve shirt or some of his other outer wear we see from the pre-accident era

    #276462
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    it’s normally Robert who gets away with a bit of a fumble.

    All scandalous rumour

    #276463
    Jenuall
    Participant

    #276466
    Unrumble
    Participant

    it’s normally Robert who gets away with a bit of a fumble.

    All scandalous rumour 

    #276467
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Apparently he calls it “Mr Guitar” and strums it constantly…

    #276473

    Ohhhhh Mister Guitarrrrrrr

    #276677
    Rudolph
    Participant

    I think I always assumed that having them on his pyjamas was a
    personal affectation of Rimmer’s. He’s so obsessed with rank and
    hierarchy (“you ARE your job”), not to mention military history, that I
    can easily see him stitching on/asking Holly to simulate official badges
    on clothing that doesn’t require them.

    It ties in with a neat little observation about Rimmer, that he’s the only crew member who seems to adhere to uniform standards. Even senior officers like Hollister, Todhunter and Kochanski dress a lot more relaxed – no tie, open collar, sleeves rolled up etc. – and nobody seems to care that Lister’s only concession to a uniform is wearing his technician’s shirt over a London Jets t-shirt.

    #276678
    Stabbim
    Participant

    one of those ways in which it is never quite clear where the Jupiter Mining Corporation ends and the Space Corps begins, or what the difference between the two even is. (and of course the line shifts from series to series).

    Presumably Capt. Hollister would be the one setting local policy in practice either way, as the the most direct local authority aboard the Red Dwarf.  And he does seem to exude a more pragmatic “I don’t care as long as you get the work done” attitude.  i.e. more JMC/corporate style, where Rimmer wishes things were run more military/Space Corps style

    #281310
    Ewing
    Participant

    I’ve never understood the flack Waiting For God gets from people. It’s nearly a perfect episode in my eyes because the Cat God stuff truly fascinates me and the Quagaars bit is absolute gold.

    #281311
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I’ve never understood the flack Waiting For God gets from people.

    Most of series 1 probably blurs into a grey fog for people who haven’t watched those episodes too often, so I’d guess the Cat priest scene would be the only thing that came to mind, with its stumbling actor and tacky props (not that those are even necessarily drawbacks).

    Most (old) episodes don’t have a secondary plot as prominent as the garbage pod, so that could easily be forgotten, along with all the great dialogue and character scenes generally, which if they are remembered might not be easily pinned to a specific episode.

    Still, it is annoying that it comes bottom of the bubble all the time. The Dave era presumably has it much worse though.

    #281313
    Ewing
    Participant

    I have no idea what other people’s rewatches are like but I’ve always leaned towards Series 1 and 2 because I prefer the music cues and Norman Lovett. Thus, I’ve always dug Waiting For God. There’s no way it’s the worst of the original 36. The stuff with the Quagaars is top 10 funniest shit they’ve ever done.

    #281318
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I’ve never understood the flack Waiting For God gets from people. It’s nearly a perfect episode in my eyes because the Cat God stuff truly fascinates me and the Quagaars bit is absolute gold.

    Totally with you on this one. For me, it’s madness that anyone could think a non-bubble episode could be better.

    #281320
    desbug
    Participant

    (I agree with them)

    #281321
    Rudolph
    Participant

    I quite like Waiting for God as it’s the earliest point where, in my opinion, Rimmer and Lister fall into the routine of life that’ll carry on for the rest of the series. After Balance of Power, Rimmer has eased off on his ‘business as usual’ attitude towards running the ship and both are now engaging in their own little projects to occupy their time instead. Rimmer with going through the captain’s files and the Quagaar investigation, and Lister with learning to read Cat books and discovering more about them.

    #281326
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I quite like Waiting for God as it’s the earliest point where, in my opinion, Rimmer and Lister fall into the routine of life that’ll carry on for the rest of the series.

    I used to see The End – Balance of Power – Waiting for God as a kind of mini-series setting up and tying off the series’ premise before things could get episodic. But this rewatch convinced me that Future Echoes is better where it is after all for the (comparative) softening of Rimmer across the run.

    #281344
    Ewing
    Participant

    Totally with you on this one. For me, it’s madness that anyone could think a non-bubble episode could be better.

    People say Waiting For God is smug about the way it goes about treating religion but as someone raised in God fearing America I think it’s dead on. To rank it below anything from S7 onwards is insane to me.

    #281352
    Warbodog
    Participant

    Totally with you on this one. For me, it’s madness that anyone could think a non-bubble episode could be better.

    #281354
    Ewing
    Participant

    That was the first article I ever read on this website. My intelligence circuits melted.

    #281364
    Rudolph
    Participant

    Totally with you on this one. For me, it’s madness that anyone could think a non-bubble episode could be better.

    People say Waiting For God is smug about the way it goes about treating religion but as someone raised in God fearing America I think it’s dead on. To rank it below anything from S7 onwards is insane to me.

    I think it’s quite sweet, really, in that Lister is uneasy over accidentally becoming the deity of an entire civilisation. He spends a lot of the episode feeling guilty over the jihad committed in his name, and that he could never measure up to their expectations of godhood. Then, in the Cat Priest’s dying moments, he acts just like how you’d expect God to behave – he’s comforting and caring, reassuring him that his years of belief were not in vain and that he has earned his place in Fuchal.

    #281365
    Ewing
    Participant

    I think you nailed why I love it. Lister ends up as a more merciful (and better) God than the myths the Cats developed. I grew up around cats, the hook of Lister accidentally breeding a cat human species is what made me watch this show in the first place way back in the mid 90s. This episode answers a billion questions I had after the pilot and I probably overrate it for that but I really think it’s a solid commentary on religion as well as answering my questions and providing maybe the best b-plot in the shows entire run with the Quagaars. If this finishes as the lowest of the 36 bubble again something is wrong.

    #281384
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I grew up around cats, the hook of Lister accidentally breeding a cat human species is what made me watch this show in the first place way back in the mid 90s.

    I still deal with a cat every day, Series 1 Cat’s always been my favourite Cat for nailing the essence of a cat. Though it still comes up later with stuff like “hell no, I don’t even care about you” in Backwards.

    #281394
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Yeah, but seriously, I have no memory of doing that. What the fuck was I thinking.

    #281398
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    I blame Seb. He put it in our heads that Cassandra was actually a good episode, rather than just the least bad episode from a run of terrible episodes, but still pretty bad in its own right.

    #281400
    Dave
    Participant

    I blame Seb. He put it in our heads that Cassandra was actually a good episode, rather than just the least bad episode from a run of terrible episodes, but still pretty bad in its own right.

    By its own low standards, it acquitted itself.

    #281404
    Warbodog
    Participant

    Cassandra’s mint.

    Not better than Waiting for God though, that’s just silly.

    #281411
    Flap Jack
    Participant

    I’m hoping that the Coral Canvass will put the record straight – Waiting for God and Parallel Universe aren’t even the worst episodes of their respective series, let alone the whole of the Grant/Naylor era.

    #281412
    Unrumble
    Participant

    I blame Seb. He put it in our heads that Cassandra was actually a good episode, rather than just the least bad episode from a run of terrible episodes, but still pretty bad in its own right.

    Please don’t besmirch his legacy by having ‘Cassandra-defender’ added to his bench plaque.

    #281435

    #281439
    Unrumble
    Participant

     Waiting for God and Parallel Universe aren’t even the worst episodes of their respective series, let alone the whole of the Grant/Naylor era.

    #281493
    Ewing
    Participant

    Waiting for God and Parallel Universe aren’t even the worst episodes of their respective series, let alone the whole of the Grant/Naylor era.

    I think Emohawk is the worst of the first 36. It suffers greatly from being in a jampacked season with all-time great episodes like Legion and Gunmen, but it’s nothing special to me at all.

    #281534
    Moonlight
    Participant

    Cassandra’s mint.

    Cassandra is like the epitome of a “Diet Red Dwarf” episode, and I say this with disdain.

    I’m being a little facetious in saying this, but it’s basically just Future Echoes if Rimmer were a sexual predator.

    #281560
    Ewing
    Participant

    Cassandra is the least bad episode in a season full of disposable junk.

    #281565
    Formica
    Participant

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    #282429
    Ewing
    Participant

    Beyond gutted that Waiting For God dropped in the poll and remains the worst of the original 36. You’re all smegging insane.

    #282450

    Nice to see you again Ewing, after just missing you on Discord lol.

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