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  • #232319

    Piplup2003

    We’ve all been to a Q&A panel (or watched one on YouTube) and there’s always the same questions. ‘What’s your favourite episode? ‘Why do you think Red Dwarf has continued for 30 years?’ etc.

    So, I want to know, what are the questions you really want the answers to?

    For example, in Me2, Rimmer gives a two finger salute to the other Rimmer by casting a shadow on the screen. But, as Rimmer at the time was made of soft light, how is it possible for Rimmer to cast a shadow, not only here but at any point before Legion?

    Another few good ones I’ve seen on other threads are ‘Do Holograms produce bodily fluids?’ and ‘Does Archie produce semen?’

    #232320

    bloodteller

    archie ejaculates fuel rods

    #232321

    Warbodog

    Did Holly ever recover from his computer rashes?

    #232322

    Dave

    Did Lister actually go out with Kochanski before the accident, or did he imagine it as a result of space-loneliness?

    #232323

    Toxteth O-Grady

    Given that God is infinite, and the universe is also infinite, what would Red Dwarf be like if it started in 2016 instead of 1988?

    #232325

    International Debris

    Given that God is infinite, and the universe is also infinite, why has this board spawned another Jawscvmcdia?

    #232327

    Hamish

    Did Cat ever find his singing tie-pin?

    #232328

    Dave

    But how *does* the time-drive suddenly let them travel back to Earth?

    #232329

    quinn_drummer

    > But how *does* the time-drive suddenly let them travel back to Earth?

    The universe is constantly expanding and moving. Travel back far enough in time (but not space) and the place you want to get to will come to your location.

    Thus, it’s actually series 6 that’s wrong in thinking they can travel back over 3million years and still find themselves in exactly the same part of space. That part of space would be completely different, and in a different location.

    #232330

    Dave

    Ocean or Military?

    #232331

    cwickham

    Is the Lister we see in the Dave episodes the original one from I-Back to Earth, or a combination of the one?

    #232333

    Flap Jack

    Rimmer appears opaque, therefore light does not pass through him, therefore he casts shadows. Simple as that. His solidity or lack thereof doesn’t make a difference.

    #232334

    Flap Jack

    However, the solidity of holograms does affect whether or not they produce bodily fluids.

    Hardlight holograms can produce poop, softlight holograms can only produce wee wee.

    It’s just simple chemistry really.

    #232337

    bloodteller

    if Rimmer has sex is the baby half a hologram and half a person? holotaur?

    #232338

    bloodteller

    minogram, maybe.

    #232341

    Pete Part Three

    What’s your perfect Sunday?

    #232344

    cwickham

    Did Lister ever find out what an iguana is?

    #232346

    Hamish

    Whose eating this chicken?

    #232350

    Dave

    What the hell is a quasar?

    #232353

    Ben Saunders

    What things?

    #232357

    Hamish

    Reality what?

    #232363

    flanl3

    Holly?

    #232364

    Dave

    There may be a what?

    #232366

    Pete Part Three

    What are the questions you really want the answers to?

    #232367

    Ben Saunders

    What if Doug was fat and Rob was skinny?

    #232368

    quinn_drummer

    What if Frankenstein had been a parrot?

    #232369

    Flap Jack

    What if Lister drank milk instead of lager?

    #232370

    Dave

    What if Kryten figured it out?

    #232371

    cwickham

    When is this? Where am I?

    #232372

    Dave

    Well, you can figure it out, what’s the craft’s inertia rating?

    #232373

    International Debris

    So what is it?

    #232380

    Flap Jack

    We all assume that the idea Kryten had before he was killed in ‘Out of Time’ was to destroy the time drive, but what if his actual idea was to do another time jump, thereby losing their future selves, whose own time drive is broken?

    #232381

    Pete Part Three

    How do I answer that in the form of a question?

    #232382

    Hamish

    How did this become the “Did Lister ever find out what an iguana is?” thread?

    #232383

    Dave

    We all assume that the idea Kryten had before he was killed in ‘Out of Time’ was to destroy the time drive, but what if his actual idea was to do another time jump, thereby losing their future selves, whose own time drive is broken?

    That’s a great alternative solution, although presumably the dead Cat and Lister would start to smell after a while, and Series VII would be largely two-handers.

    #232384

    Flap Jack

    Once one of them had been killed by their future selves, any plan they could come up with would ultimately just be stalling while they waited for the paradox to take effect and undo everything.

    But hey, Kryten didn’t know that would happen. Saving 2 of them and immediately jumping to the dark “should Kryten and Rimmer even continue living?” fan fiction was possibly the best option on the table.

    #232385

    Dave

    If the paradox would have taken effect anyway, why bother doing anything? Maybe Kryten’s plan was to do fuck all.

    #232387

    Ben Saunders

    Kicking bottom or what?

    #232388

    Plastic Percy

    Who’s dead?

    #232389

    flanl3

    Maybe Kryten’s plan was to jump back ten minutes and catch them unaware by blasting them out of the sky just to increase the paradox a little

    #232390

    Dax101

    None of it matters since Series 7 already retconned everything so that their future selves killed them, destroyed the time drive and reset everything themselves.

    #232391

    Dax101

    Well i call it a “retcon” but its probably a slight undo of Rimmer’s heroics.

    #232392

    bloodteller

    not really, though. in Tikka To Ride they still show the clip of Rimmer realising he has to destroy the timedrive and running down the corridor with a bazookoid to blow it up. if it was an actual retcon of his heroics then starbug just would’ve blown up after he said “there may be a what?”

    #232393

    bloodteller

    “How can we change what’s happeni-”

    BOOM

    #232394

    Ben Saunders

    God I love that final scene of VI.

    #232395

    bloodteller

    i always liked how it ties in with the opening scene of the episode- at the start, Rimmer is being nasty to his crewmates and expressing just how much he despises them. yet at the end of the episode we see he’s absolutely horrified and upset when the others are killed, and risks his life for a one-in-a-million chance of saving them. it’s nice, the crew always act like they hate each other but we get to see in Out Of Time that they actually care a lot about each other.

    #232396

    bloodteller

    and Rimmer could’ve easily just stolen the timedrive and left the others for dead- there’s a deleted scene in Stoke Me A Clipper where Ace Rimmer reveals that’s exactly what he did in his own dimension before becoming the next Ace. which is a little fucked up when you think about it.

    #232399

    Pete Part Three

    >not really, though. in Tikka To Ride they still show the clip of Rimmer realising he has to destroy the timedrive and running down the corridor with a bazookoid to blow it up.

    Out of Time ending discussions are the new “Series VIII is shit” discussions.

    In Tikka to Ride, Lister’s recap says “They killed us and destroyed everything on ship…including the timedrive”, so it is a retcon of sorts as it makes the consequences of Rimmer’s heroism irrelevant.

    There’s also nothing in his recap to explain what Rimmer’s shooting at with the bazookoid, so it probably wasn’t worth the nuaunced explanation that “Rimmer destroyed the timedrive, but it didn’t really matter because Starbug exploded a second later and it was destroyed anyway”.

    #232400

    cwickham

    Is there a chance the track could bend?

    #232401

    Dave

    God I love that final scene of VI.

    Chris Barrie’s acting totally makes it. Not just the bit after Kryten dies, but the “we’ll all be dead in a minute”. It’s hard to pull off that kind of shift in tone but he totally sells it.

    #232403

    Flap Jack

    I agree that it would have been nicer if Rimmer’s heroism actually had an impact on the outcome, but it was Out of Time which first showed Starbug blowing up, not Tikka to Ride.

    It’s even made clear by the editing that the explosion was caused by future Starbug, not by Rimmer shooting the time drive; it cuts away to the explosion before the bazookoid shot hits the time drive.

    But for me, the heroism is largely about the intent. Neither Kryten or Rimmer knew that would happen (especially as changing history works completely differently in Timeslides and Tikka to Ride), but they tried their best to save everyone anyway.

    #232406

    Pete Part Three

    Well, maybe Kryten’s “way out of this” was to “sit here and get blown up, and then be restored by the paradox”.

    >the heroism is largely about the intent.

    Oh, agreed and that’s the way it plays out in Out of Time. It a “heroic” moment because it’s Rimmer, and his usual solution is to go and hide under the table rather than take action. If the Cat had blown up the timedrive (and he’s often the one to take action; cf. Demons and Angels, Cured) it wouldn’t really be a thing.

    #232408

    Dave

    The weird thing is that the crew in Tikka still have access to CCTV footage showing their deaths in Out Of Time: events that never happened.

    #232409

    Pete Part Three

    Maybe that’s the real reason the video camera blew up.

    #232412

    Dax101

    but it was Out of Time which first showed Starbug blowing up, not Tikka to Ride.

    It’s even made clear by the editing that the explosion was caused by future Starbug, not by Rimmer shooting the time drive; it cuts away to the explosion before the bazookoid shot hits the time drive.

    There is a mild difference between Out of Time and the Flashback and that is you see Rimmer blast the time drive before Starbug blows up in Out of Time while with the Flashback it cuts before Rimmer blasts the time drive and i think they added a shot with future Starbug firing at past starbug blowing it up

    Feels like remastering syndrome. trying to fix something that you think helps it make sense when you are really taking something away from it by doing so

    #232419

    flanl3

    Was Rimmer maybe not trying to destroy the time drive, but instead blow up the ship, so that if the timeline did reset he wouldn’t be there because he couldn’t stand to take the responsibility for the death of a whole crew a second time?

    #232422

    Dave

    Rimmer was actually trying to destroy his bronze swimming certificate, which viewers couldn’t see as it was right next to the time drive on the wall.

    #232424

    Timewave Part Two

    I always took it as this:

    1) Rimmer shoots the time drive wiping out the future crew

    2) At the same time, the missile from the future crew hits Starbug

    3) The creation of two alternate dimensions:

    RealityA – One without the future crew as in this reality the boys don’t become them since they don’t abuse the time drive, which we see in Series VII they don’t unless its curry-related.

    RealityB – One where only the future crew exist, having no past, they are unable to fix their time drive

    This may or may not make sense, but really, how would the future crew exist unless they did encounter themselves in the past as the boys from the Dwarf did. It all really makes little sense, unless the future crew were from an alternate dimension. Then my theory is canon and you should all accept it as such.

    #232426

    Pete Part Three

    >This may or may not make sense

    #232429

    Ben Saunders

    >>This may or may not make sense
    This is written at the top of all Grant Naylor scripts

    #232431

    clem

    It’s an early draft of the caption at the end of the series VIII trailer.

    #232434

    Dave

    This makes sense.

    The smeg it does.

    #232447

    Dax101

    Red Dwarf VIII Trailer = “Somethings were never meant to make sense”

    #232485

    Jonsmad

    You start off asking a pretty good question about widening the level of enquiry to the cast and crew, and pose what is unanswered that you’d like to hear about…

    I’d say things like the movie script, the aborted episodes of series x with Kochanski and series 8’s ending are the kind of things It would fascinate me to read should they be ever given more details to fans at any point. Equally in working out what in “the beginning” does and doesn’t owe to those movie drafts.

    Hologrammatic shadow gags bother me in explanation no more than microwave kebab plate materialisations, and Archie was too limp a penis gag to ever achieve robo orgasm. so I wouldn’t waste the casts time asking them such wank myself.

    #232489

    Timewave Part Two

    I bet any scripts from Series X involving Kochanski will possibly be resurrected if/when Chloë comes back on the show.

    Do we know much about the movie plot really? I heard it involved the crew teaming up with their past selves to fight the homo sapenoids, but that’s all I really know. I know Hogey was picked up from the movie drafts, and the simulant generals are based off the homo sapenoids since Kryten mentions they’re inter-breed with humans as the homo sapenoids would’ve been.

    #232490

    bloodteller

    > the crew teaming up with their past selves

    where’d you hear about this part? i don’t recall this ever being mentioned

    #232491

    Pete Part Three

    Don’t think I’ve ever heard about the past-selves thing.

    I think *this* is as close as we ever got to an plot summary. (Although how it was ever released without a decent proof-read is a mystery):

    #232492

    Timewave Part Two

    >where’d you hear about this part? i don’t recall this ever being mentioned

    If I recall correctly I picked that up from some news article talking about the failed movie project. The idea got thrown around when the movie was being considered a prequel according to my faulty, unreliable memory. But idk, maybe I’m remembering this wrong.

    btw, was that the only poster made for the movie? I was looking online and found another poster from the Red Dwarf website from 2003:

    http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/news/2003/04/18/making-the-movie/

    But I can’t tell, it uses the Red Dwarf ship model from Series VIII and has it snapping in half with (what I assume) to be a homo sapenoid looking out a porthole. I can’t find any verification for this though

    #232496

    Dax101

    There were a fair amount of stuff in Series X that was taken from the movie script. if i remember right. these are 2 of them

    *the flashback in “The Beginning” and Hogey were taken from the movie script (might be wrong)

    *The kidney stones thing with Jesus was from the movie script but was with Captain Hollister

    #232497

    bloodteller

    the kidney-stones scene probably would have been funnier with Hollister. it’s really amusing to imagine Rimmer feeling all priveliged and considering that holding some obscure mining ship captain’s penis is the highlight of his career.

    #232498

    Timewave Part Two

    Would be kinda out of character tho, Rimmer doesn’t respect Hollister enough to want to be handling his goods.

    Where’d you hear about that bit with Hollister from?

    #232499

    Dax101

    It being Hollister feels like something that would happen in Series 8.

    #232500

    Dax101

    >Where’d you hear about that bit with Hollister from?

    its in a Digital Spy interview with the cast for Series X i believe where they mentioned the scene saying it was taken from the movie but was with Hollister

    I think it was mentioned also that they wanted Madonna to play the Cat queen or something like that

    #232501

    Pete Part Three

    Well, it’s a flyer for, presumably, drumming up investment. The “Poster” is just the outside, the synopsis etc is the inside. Doug wrote a shedload of movie scripts so I’m sure Red Dwarf splitting in two made at least one version. I think it’s ambigious over whether the script that synopsis focuses on would be a prequel, although the fact that it doesn’t detail the whole “Three million years setup” does indicate that it’s a given.

    Think that’s the only promotional material that was ever “released”, although the official site printed some storyboards

    #232502

    Dax101

    It sounds like its an alternative universe story that is set before lister joins the space corps. so basically the first novel but a different take.

    The storyboards really did make it look exciting though and its almost a shame we didn’t get to see it to a certain degree.

    #232503

    bloodteller

    > Madonna to play the Cat queen or something like that

    IIRC it was the Sapienoid Queen, not a Cat Queen lol. there’s a lot of concept art for her online (i think one of them is used on the flyer?) where she’s only referred to as “Her Holiness” for some reason

    #232504

    Dax101

    Oh i swear Craig said it was the Cat Queen.

    #232505

    bloodteller

    also i think it was said from the very beginning that the Movie was a reboot, wasn’t it? the announcment article was boasting about it being the only “non-sequel” sci-fi film currently in development, and that it would be a different universe to the TV show.

    #232506

    Dax101

    Well this what Doug told the Fanclub Magazine back in 2002. word by word.

    <b>Does the plot of the film follow on where series VIII left off?</b>
    No, it doesn’t; it’s a complete story unto itself. The story begins before the series started, and then goes off in a direction that the series didn’t go off on. So it’s set up and then has it’s own story, complete in itself, whilst still being able to assemble the cast that we know and love.

    #232507

    Dax101

    Damn bold tags didn’t work :/

    #232508

    Ben Saunders

    So it’s Star Trek (2009)

    #232509

    International Debris

    Would be kinda out of character tho, Rimmer doesn’t respect Hollister enough to want to be handling his goods.

    Rimmer doesn’t like Hollister, but there’s enough superior officer respect bred into his character that he would still jump at the chance.

    Red Dwarf exploding into two pieces always excited me.

    #232511

    bloodteller

    but Red Dwarf already exploded into no pieces in Demons And Angels

    #232519

    International Debris

    That was exciting too.

    #232523

    Seb Patrick

    For example, in Me2, Rimmer gives a two finger salute to the other Rimmer by casting a shadow on the screen. But, as Rimmer at the time was made of soft light, how is it possible for Rimmer to cast a shadow, not only here but at any point before Legion?

    The shadow is also a hologram?

    I mean, it’s not exactly a massive reach.

    #232548

    Timewave Part Two

    >Oh i swear Craig said it was the Cat Queen.

    Ye, he did. It was in this interview back in 2012 to promote Series X: https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/red-dwarf-special

    He must’ve just gotten it confused, since it was probably a longtime since he had read the script for the movie plot.

    #232549

    Flap Jack

    The shadow is also a hologram?

    I mean, it’s not exactly a massive reach.

    A shadow made of light? I love it!

    Overall my favourite headcanon explanation for “Why does an opaque object cast shadows?” is still “because it’s opaque”, but that’s just personal preference.

    #232550

    Timewave Part Two

    I think this blog is probably the best documentation that I’ve read of what the movie might’ve contained: https://kriscarter.wordpress.com/2016/10/07/red-dwarf-the-movie-that-wasnt/

    From this I think’s its safe to say the movie would’ve been a prequel and an overall retelling of the main premise of the show.

    I never knew there was a Homo Sapenoids Queen, nor did I know Paradroids were a thing at some point. Holly would’ve looked like a massive projection I assume from the storyboards, kinda like Blade Runner.

    It had to be a prequel around the time the storyboards were made cause one has a JMC poster that I believe Lister would’ve found and get inspired to join à la Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers.

    This is some cool stuff, also appearently Doug used some parts of the movie script(s) into Series XI and XII according to this interview (He says it somewhere between 22-30 minutes in this interview, along with Danny doing a funny impression of fans who want a movie that would include me)

    https://soundcloud.com/empiremagazine/red-dwarf-special-with-craig-charles-robert-llewellyn-danny-john-jules-doug-naylor

    #232552

    Pete Part Three

    I’m imagining a film where they have to build a futuristic world of mining ships , introduce Lister, Rimmer and Kryten (played by Robert Llewellyn), sell the idea of Kochanski as an actual bloody character, show Lister’s relationships with all of them in a way that actually works, kill off the rest of the crew, spin forward three million years and introduce the Cat, then explain what the Sapienoids are and try and give that enough focus that it doesn’t seem like an afterthought for the final third of the movie.

    You’ve basically got two massive plots competing if you do the prequel thing. I don’t really get how it would sell the gravity of the 3 million years thing, if they’re already in an battle with a bunch of robots by act three.

    I’m not really getting the impression that there would be much time for any character comedy. Frankly, I think it would have been shit, especially coming off the back of Series VIII. I echo Kris’s sentiments in that blog (he does frequent this parish).

    #232553

    bloodteller

    >kill off the rest of the crew, spin forward three million years

    are we even sure the crew would’ve been killed off in the movie? given the big catheter cock scene from Lemons was originally taken from the movie script and involved Captain Hollister, it seems as if the crew were going to be alive in the movie. but then i could be wrong, i have no idea. the movie is a bit elusive like that

    #232554

    bloodteller

    >in this interview

    i listened to the interview, some interesting stuff about the series and what must be the eight hundredth re-telling of The Legit David Ross. it was nice to hear doug joking around and laughing with the cast though, that was sweet.

    i resent the interviewer saying Waiting For God was “lamentable” though.

    #232555

    Pete Part Three

    >are we even sure the crew would’ve been killed off in the movie?

    Well, we need to spin forward three million years to get Cat…so we need a reason for that time-jump. Maybe Lister (& Kochanski?) in Stasis. Lister is called “The Last Human” in that flyer (although that means very little). I guess the Red Dwarf crew could go through a wormhole or something and the Cat species pops up. Again, these are petty huge ideas that if a film explored properly you’d expect it to overbalance the whole thing.

    Making Lister, Rimmer, The Cat and Kryten the focus of the film (which was obviously the intention) when they’re not in control of the ship and thus get swept along in the adventure as part of a large crew would be…weird.

    >Lemons was originally taken from the movie script and involved Captain Hollister

    I think Doug has mentioned that there’s about 30 drafts of the movie written for various different budgets. The Sapienoids and Hollister needing an operation may be from different ones.

    #232666

    Kris Carter

    Hey, you read me blog! Thanks!

    And yeah, the movie would have been bobbins. I really hope we get to read the scripts some day in some shape or form.

    #232710

    Katydid

    Personally, I’d enjoy the final Red Dwarf outing being a decent budget TV movie that lets Doug go truly ambitious with the runtime and money to fully realize it. And in my fantasy Rob Grant decides to join in for the hell of it since it’s the last ever Red Dwarf. What an adorably naive idea.

    My less fantastical fantasy is to end on a Series XV with 8 episodes, a standard 6 episode series with two extra slots for a big finale.

    #232740

    flanl3

    My dream for Red Dwarf is having a plot arc run through a seties which seems to actually matter at all without being shit.

    #232807

    Timewave Part Two

    >Series XV

    Just a question, what year would you think that’d come out? Assuming XIII gets made next year.

    #232808

    International Debris

    I honestly think XIV will be the last.

    #232810

    bloodteller

    i think there’ll be a XIII, and if we’re very lucky, an XIV too. but i can’t at all imagine Red Dwarf continuing after that.

    plus visually, XIV isn’t a very appealing looking roman numeral. it just looks a bit wrong, doesn’t it? so maybe its best if they finish it at XIII

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