The Fantastic Four

It’s been mentioned several times before that, based on all available data, if there was one word to sum up Series XII, it’s “batshit”. The set reports indicated that several of the episodes are particularly out there, certainly compared to Series XI, and the early publicity would certainly seen to corroborate that initial assessment. Following on from last week’s somewhat unconventional group shot, no less than four individual character photos have been released on social media today (and then handily compiled on TOS), all of which feature one of the four boys in unusual circumstances. Let’s go through them one by one, in ascending order of weirdness.

It’s a cat in a porthole, waiting to drown. Alternative caption: Danny John-Jules’s Radiohead tribute act goes tragically wrong. The most unconventional thing about this picture is that Cat photos usually provide us with a good look at a brand new costume, but this shot offers few conclusions, other than the assumption that, at some point over the course of the six episodes, The Cat will be in danger of drowning behind a porthole. Moving on then…

Craig will be absolutely furious that they’ve released a photo of him without make-up, etc. Here we see a severely aged Lister, looking kind of like how he did in Future Echoes, but with two arms, more life-like ageing effects, and a dreadlocked beard. He’s also in the whitest room since the last Trump rally, complete with white clothing, white guitar and what look like white lager cans on the right hand side. G&T regular Craig Walker tweeted to point out the M-Corp logo on Lister’s top; I wasn’t sure at first, but it’s clearly visible in the higher-res version from TOS, if you squint a bit.

Next up, here’s Kryten in his absolute element, getting waited on hand and foot by a whole host of fellow mechanoids, like when the Tin Man first arrives in the Land of Oz. I particularly like the guy on the right wearing a beret and gloves, reminiscent of the leather daddy look that the original Kryten adopts at the end of Kryten. Slightly disconcerted by the way Kryten’s groinal socket dangles so provocatively.

And saving by far the best til last:

Our initial response on Twitter was simply “HOLY SHIT”, and I stand by that sentiment. This is an extraordinary image. It’s Rimmer, in a Series 1 style uniform, with a Series 1 style giant H, standing in what is clearly a Series 1 style set. There are some key differences though – there doesn’t appear to be any attempt to make him look younger, and his uniform indicates that he’s a Navigation Officer, rather than a lowly Second Technician. This is clearly not as straight-forward as a Balance of Power-esque flashback, or a Stasis Leak-esque journey to the past – this is something else entirely.

Bloody hell, just look at that picture. Just look at it. Since Series X, we’ve been saying how important it is that the revived Dwarf should focus on forging its own identity, and not concern itself too much with linking up with the show’s past. But now that new Dwarf is a semi-regular occurrence, established in its own right as a continuing series instead of a retro throwback, they can afford to indulge in a little nostalgia every now and then. It’s a similar situation to Doctor Who, which didn’t so much as show a still image of a previous Doctor until the third new series, but is now in the position where this year’s Christmas special is a sequel-of-sorts to a partially lost story from 1966. This picture appearing in our news feeds, with all the warm, happy feelings it evokes, is our equivalent of Hartnell’s TARDIS turning up in the Doctor Who trailer.

One further note: Naylor Minor has tweeted to clarify that these four images are taken from four different episodes. This is good for two reasons – firstly, it means that no one episode will have two or more of these extreme concepts competing for screen time, and it also means that the batshit vibe of Series XII will be present in more than half of the episodes, at the very least. We’re not sure which episodes are which, obviously, but I think it’s a safe bet that the one with all the mechanoids is also The One Where Everyone’s Kryten, and the one where Lister has “M-Corp” on his top is from M-Corp.

In other news, TOS reports that general tickets are now on sale for the premiere screening in Edinburgh at the end of August, but probably won’t be for long. Meanwhile, Matrix, the company behind the hugely successful Red Dwarf XI merchandise, tweeted a preview of a new Series XII t-shirt the other day, stating that the new merch will be available in September. Last time round, the shop launched on the same day as the series, so is this a further indication that Series XII will be hitting our screens in September? It won’t be long now until we find out for sure…

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  1. I am very excited. A shame there isn’t anything too crazy for the Cat pic, which is simply an action shot, and the Kryten one is less surprising than it could have been because of the two facts that a) we’ve known about this for ages and b) the first publicity shot confirmed it. It’s got my mind racing trying to think up how on Earth (or, indeed, in space) it’s going to happen, though.
    The Lister picture gets stranger the more I notice. Instead of simply a flash-forward, Future Echoes-style, the flight case fitted with white cans of lager, the M-Corp logo make it all seem more complex and surreal. Looking forward to that.
    I’m fairly sure I know which episode the Rimmer pic comes from, and I’m looking forward to it a lot.

  2. Series XIII will be hitting our screens in September too? Sorry not sorry 😂

  3. Is that Butler standing behind Kryten? Certainly looks like him, albeit in a different suit to the one he wore in Krysis.

  4. Rimmer’s costumes are one of the points I’m particularly obsessed with, so obviously I am cumming right now and I don’t think I’ll stop for quite a while.

  5. Series XIII will be hitting our screens in September too? Sorry not sorry

    Goodness, I hope not, they shouldn’t blow through all the new series at once.

  6. The Rimmer pic is bloody fascinating. I’m trying to wrap my head around how it’ll work exactly. Navigation Officer’s the big difference here, as well as his age (duh). I’m working on a theory that this is an alternate timeline where the crew were never wiped out and they continued on with their mundane 23rd/21st century lives. Wouldn’t exactly explain why Rimmer died though, but then again exploding boxes have taken him out so shouldn’t be too hard to write up a death for him in the many years since RD1 (Just how long has it been since Series 1 for them? I thought it was approx 15-20 years but will take answers on a postcard). Plus if he is as high ranking as is to be believed here then the ship’s hologram position would go to him and not some hoity-toity go-getter.

    Shame we can’t see out the window – I want to know if they poked some holes in a black sheet and backlit it.

  7. Slightly disconcerted by the way Kryten’s groinal socket dangles so provocatively.

    When I first read this sentence, I definitely thought that foot was an entire groinal attachment. Yes, that socket is concerning, but at least Kryten isn’t a dickfoot.

  8. Loving the recreation of the Series I-II costumes in that Rimmer pic – much more faithful than the monotone-khaki versions from Series VIII, but still looking a little more solid than the originals in terms of the materials used (unless that’s just the lighting tricking the eye – in which case, great job lighting department!). Wonder if they’ve gone the whole hog and squared off the end of the tie? = P

    Also, that’s got to be the biggest “H” he’s ever had – I assume it’s meant to match the Series I-II version, but it’s definitely slightly exaggerated in size when comparing the two directly…! Now there’s a record I never thought would be broken, haha. XD

    Most intriguing pics are definitely the Lister and Rimmer ones – looking forward to more details as the series approaches (particularly the airdate for the first episode…! = P)

  9. Looking at the background in the rimmer image i wouldnt be shocked if it was green screened.

    not fully sold on the retro rimmer picture… nostalgic fan service sounds good as an idea but it can fall apart easely.

  10. Also note what appears to be the first ever ‘real’ (i.e. not Camille) female mechanoid there on the left.

  11. That Kryten pic… I think there’s a touch of Parrot’s Bar about that background.

  12. It’s certainly something to speculate over. When you think about it, the contrast between Arnold and Ace because of one decision is startling and we never did see the alternate Rimmers where he simply gave himself a good talking to as a younger man, got down to studying and discarded a few of the more knife-edge personality hang-ups. That in turn would lead to him becoming an officer and delegating the drive plate repairs to someone who is actually up to the task. No wonky work, no radiation leak, no stranded in deep space with an H on the forehead. What we may see in that photo is good ol’ Arnie, a bit of a prick at times but harmless and handling his duties as a navigation officer rather well.

    Or he’s cosplaying.

    I don’t bloody know, we’ll find out in a few weeks.

  13. The H is too big and does give abit of a cosplay feel.

  14. I don’t think that it’s that the H is too big but rather that Chris Barrie’s head has changed shape in the last dear-lord-has-it-really-been 30 years.

  15. These look great.

    Is it me though or does the I/II style window behind Rimmer look gigantic in that photo? It makes it look like he’s been zapped with a shrink-ray.

  16. I’m working on a theory that this is an alternate timeline where the crew were never wiped out and they continued on with their mundane 23rd/21st century lives.

    I’ve _always_ wanted to see a flashback episode centered around Rimmer and Lister going about their normal, pre-accident lives in Z Shift, but I figured that ship had long sailed due to their ages. But featuring a parallel universe/timeline where the accident never happened would allow them to do an episode involving a populated Red Dwarf without it being a continuity error that Rimmer is 30 years older. While I hope this is the case, it’s probably going to be something way more clever and interesting than anything I could speculate. I just like the idea of revisiting a pre-accident Dwarf, because that hasn’t been done since Series II. VIII really doesn’t count because of its preferred areas of focus.

    That said, Series XI and XII Rimmer could honestly pass for younger than he looked in Series X. That hairpiece makes all the difference from the short, jet-black (clearly) dyed hair from Back to Earth. I know some people have criticized the hairpiece, but I honestly think it’s a massive improvement – notably in that it’s actually brown. I think the reason fans like us tend to find it an obvious wig is because (A) we’ve been looking at his naturally hair for anywhere from 10 to 30 years and can spot the difference and (B) his hair looked awful in Series X and now it suddenly looks more like it did in the ’90s. That doesn’t happen without a wig or some sort of Satanic magic. But I sincerely doubt a viewer watching the show for the first time with Series XI would peg it as a hairpiece.

    Not to reopen this old debate, but I was mainly lurking at that time so I’m just voicing my opinion on the matter here.

    Somebody explain the damn jet black hair dye to me, it’s been bothering me since 2009. There has to be some good reason they went with something so drastically darker than his natural hair color? Is it because the lighter dye would fade too quickly or something? Is the lighter dye bad for your hair and the darker isn’t? I am unreasonably bothered by this. Somebody help me.

  17. I am fairly sure the background is a green screened image.

    Just looking at the way the light reflects doesn’t really make it look like he is there.

  18. Either that, or that window is bigger than it looks and this photo is taken from much further away through a long lens.

  19. The more ‘batshit’ the better! Heck knows, the show needs to be more ‘out there’, 100%. Dwarf didn’t get this far by being in the slightest ‘pedestrian’ or by holding back.

    I think XI was, Twentica aside, a total letdown (sorry if you don’t agree with that, but hey) in terms of ideas, or more specifically in their execution, e.g. Samsara is a brilliant and very Dwarf-ish idea that was sort of just…there in a mediocre episode, and Can of Worms, the one where we were gonna see another cat, at long last, well…..if ‘travestosity’ isn’t a word, it should be.

    This is why I’m not losing my shit over the ‘everyone’s Kryten’ episode cause, as great an idea as it is, what we saw in XI doesn’t bode well for the outcome. Though at least they’re finally doing it.

    STILL, who could fail to get excited over those Rimmer and Lister pics?? Awesome prosthetics on Craig there, and the white set and white guitar etc. makes it look like he’s in his form of heaven…? The Rimmer pic is gold. As has been said, it can’t be a mere flashback cause of Rimmer’s position as ‘Navigation Officer’… though I have no doubt he is faking that, for someone’s benefit, unless it’s an alt-universe. Whatever, he truly looks like someone who deserves to have the ‘Rim’ emphasised in their name, for sure. :D Now all we need is Lister back in the London Jets t-shirt and we’ll be laughing. :D

  20. I never entertained the idea of Lister of actually getting back to Earth as a fitting conclusion for the series, not after all that’s happened to him, regardless of the mythos of the show’s story arc. The idea I had a good while ago was that you’d bring back the crew, throw out the fucking nonsense of ‘Carry On HM Space Strangeways’ and let Lister and Rimmer just settle back into Z-shift with a wink and a nod, knowing that they’d lived up to their potential in life and grew as individuals immensely through it. Lister never really needed Kochanski in his life and Rimmer never needed the status of officer as they’d been through so much. Z-shift would’ve actually become a nice getaway from the hustle and bustle of ship life and a way to show the audience that while everyone is running around, chasing promotion, doing their duties but not exactly sure why, you’ve got these two ol’ sea dogs chuckling away in the wee hours, happy to have their mates back but almost longing for the adventure that’s to be found outside of asteroid mining and outer planet fly-bys.

    That’d be a nice episode, a ‘what-if’ but then again, we’ve had plenty of ‘what-if’ episodes and plot points and I can’t make heads or tails as to why he’s back in the Series I uniform.

  21. I don’t think the Rimmer shot is on a green screen – for a start, you can see too many fine details around the edges (the occasional loose hair, for instance).

  22. Whether the Rimmer shot is green-screened or not, I think we can all agree that they’re definitely drowning Danny for real in his photo.

  23. Is that Butler standing behind Kryten? Certainly looks like him, albeit in a different suit to the one he wore in Krysis.

    It does look like him, doesn’t it?

  24. Drowning Danny is alot cheaper i am sure.

  25. I don’t think the Rimmer shot is on a green screen – for a start, you can see too many fine details around the edges (the occasional loose hair, for instance).

    Then again, just look at the greenscreen work in Krysis:

    And this being a photo, it’s probably a lot higher resolution than their video footage. Compositing perhaps more than any other effect has benefited from the high resolutions of modern cameras. But really, the best reason to doubt this is green screened is because, well, why would it be? Why bother when the background is just a grey wall with a window port?

    The flat depth of field really does look like it’s just taken from a distance with a telephoto lens. It’s a very distinct look that anyone with an interest in photography is familiar with. Any chance I get to use a DSLR, I love using telephoto lenses specifically for the extreme and shallow depth of field I see in this photo.

    Basically, I 100% agree with you but I’m still arguing.

  26. That Rimmer pic is the most exciting bit of new Dwarf promotion since I was reading the episode titles for Series VI in the Smegazine circa Summer 1993.

  27. Was it known as Emohawk or Emohawk: Polymorph II pre-broadcast?

  28. Was it known as Emohawk or Emohawk: Polymorph II pre-broadcast?

    I think it was Polymorph II: Emohawk. And Out Of Time was called Present From The Future for a while.

  29. And, if my memory of cast DVD commentary banter is accurate, R.I.P. Dave Lister.

  30. And, if my memory of cast DVD commentary banter is accurate, R.I.P. Dave Lister.

    Huh, I didn’t know that. I must have missed that bit on the commentary! Is it bad that I actually prefer that title?

  31. Bit on the nose. Out of Time is very apt for a cliffhanger.

  32. I thought it was on the documentary that that was said (or both). I’m not convinced it isn’t a joke, though.

  33. Going by those Titles accidentally put on the Red Dwarf XI DVD covers i am gonna take a guess and say the Rimmer one might be from the episode title “Time Wave”.

    My best guess anyway.

  34. And the Cat drowning one is clearly from ‘Star Knot’ cause the pic is of a star in a bit of a knot, let’s face it.

  35. I’m sure it’s already been noted by someone that the ‘Cat drowning’ pic is being achieved by a clever bit of perspective with a thin foreground tank behind the porthole and that Danny is as dry as a bone. Nice that more traditional SFX techniques still have a place in the show.

  36. I’m sure someone’s already pointed out the similarity to that bit in Battlefield that nearly killed Sophie Aldred.

  37. Going by those Titles accidentally put on the Red Dwarf XI DVD covers i am gonna take a guess and say the Rimmer one might be from the episode title “Time Wave”.

    Time wave spewing past toasted bread advice please

  38. I’m sure someone’s already pointed out the similarity to that bit in Battlefield that nearly killed Sophie Aldred.

    My wife did if that helps. I love my wife.

  39. Whether the Rimmer shot is green-screened or not, I think we can all agree that they’re definitely drowning Danny for real in his photo.

    It’s about time they did.

  40. Also note what appears to be the first ever ‘real’ (i.e. not Camille) female mechanoid there on the left.

    Jury remains out on that. until we find out if they are real or all polymorphs, or pleasure gelfs, or hallucinations, etc etc etc lol, or if as you say she is the first, before the airlock departure!

  41. That cat picture and Seriously no one’s done the wet pussy hole joke? tut tut It’s getting too classy in tone around here of late.

    These pictures are all very exciting, love Rimmer with old style H and uniform, pretty sure i know which ep thats from, and despite knowing a few things about it, it’s still really intriguing me with no real idea of what that episode will be about, but it does make me think it’s a green screen background yeah, one of the other pictures is from an episode i saw, and i still cant quite remember why it happened, but it’s fleeting nature makes it a nice tease, We know more now and we still know very little ;-)

  42. Ooh, pictures. Not overly keen on the Cat pic. I really wish Danny would tone down the silly faces.

    In an ideal world, they wouldn’t have already had a half-hearted attempt at reviving the Series I&II uniforms for VIII and the Rimmer pic would have a completely unfiltered impact. But of course, in an ideal world, they’d be no Series VIII at all and I’d be shacked up with Jenna Coleman. I agree with the green-screen theory for that pic. Doesn’t look quite right.

    Watched XI again quite recently. My thoughts on it haven’t budged. Twentica, Krysis and Officer Rimmer are flawed but excusable, Samsara is utter cack, Give & Take is up there with classic Dwarf and Can of Worms is a whole world of no, with some bizarrely good bits. Expecting another mixed bag for XII, but looking forward to it.

  43. I agree it’s kind of a shame we’ve already seen Rimmer in his old clobber since the very early days, including his “Clive of India” get-up last series. Still a very intriguing pic, as is the Lister one. Excellent aging effects. Strangely unbushy eyebrows compared with the straggly beard and untamed hair.

    > like when the Tin Man first arrives in the Land of Oz

    I thought that too. (You mean Emerald City, though – he’s always in Oz.)

  44. G&T Admin

    Ah yes, you’re right. I’m only a friend of a friend of Dorothy.

  45. That cat picture and Seriously no one’s done the wet pussy hole joke? tut tut It’s getting too classy in tone around here of late

    Fucking Hell, you’re right. This place is going down the pan.

  46. Its the same issue that BTE had where Dougs excuse for making it was that it was an anniversary show and he put all these back references in there thinking it would be something special and was surprised by the criticism about the back references… but the reason for that is because series 8 felt like one big back reference so when it actually came to the anniversary special the nostalgia didn’t feel like anything different.

  47. Those other mechanoids’ costumes look odd. Less extensive “armour” with baggy fabric underneath.

  48. G&T Admin

    I am fairly sure the background is a green screened image.

    It isn’t.

  49. You may all recall that a few months ago a certain spoilery link was shared on the forums, containing a link to some certain spoilery photos from an XII recording.

    I believe that I can match one of the photos here to that recording. I’m just not sure if I would be overstepping the mark of the spoiler policy…

  50. G&T Admin

    I think that if people want to piece it together, they can. So there’s probably no need to spell it out for those who don’t.

  51. Could someone spell it out for me as I’m all talk and no girth.

    Wait, what.

  52. Would it be related to Esperanto?

  53. It’s a blatant clue innit, blatant.

  54. It’s a shame stuff from the recordings got spoiled but I’d say most of us don’t have a smegging clue about what’s going on in these episodes. As long as Kryten says ‘best guess’ at least 10 times across the series, all is good. :D

  55. Btw, regarding depth of field, I reckon Doug has done an excellent job of making the show look as awesome it does, with all those nice touches, and it’s hugely appreciated! I’m sure it would be dead easy to sod any kind of ‘filmic’ look, turn up all the lights, do one setup per scene with the cameras on a general setting etc. but what Doug has done here is way above and beyond the call of duty.

  56. Remember these are photographs, not screengrabs of the episodes, but yeah.

  57. I am happy for the show to be more filmic aslong as its not just to scratch Dougs creative movie itch.

    For example i believe doug said in the series 8 script book that Pete was written around them finding out they could afford a CGI dino.

  58. Series VII was in part a test-run for the movie and Series VIII was presumably Doug on the marching powder giving it heavy nods to Fleetwood Mac’s ‘Tusk’.

    Series XI was very Series V looking to me, which is no bad thing.

  59. It’s a cat in a porthole, waiting to drown.

    Huh. Based on the non-comment regarding this assessment, I guess I’m the only one who thought he was seeing Cat encased in a block of ice, behind a porthole? (Perhaps I’m just being too forgiving, as the block-of-ice theory would better justify the weird expression seemingly frozen on Danny’s face.)

  60. G&T Admin

    It could be, but the tweet that contained the image said “drowned cat”, and then Danny John-Jules did a load of tedious “wet pussy” jokes.

  61. Just noticed that all 5 series XII photos released so far retain the metadata of when they were taken. This info, combined with the photos themselves, the steelbook titles and the G&T set reports, means that all the following info has been officially released:

    Show 1 (aka “Mechocracy” which it surely can only be)
    ‘Everybody’s Kryten’ – Thu 28th Jan 2016, 8:03pm (pre-record)
    Kryten being waited on – Fri 29th Jan 2016, 9:30pm (audience night)

    Show 3
    Drowning Cat – Wed 10th Feb 2016, 10:39am (pre-record)

    Show 5 (aka “M-Corp” as per the logo on Lister)
    Old Lister – Thu 25th Feb 2016, 2:10pm (pre-record)

    Show 6 (probably aka “Star Knot” or “Time Wave”)
    Series 1 Rimmer – Tue 8th March 2016, 7:01pm (audience night)

    Obviously recording order is used there, but it seems like episodes 1 and 6 are staying fixed. That ‘Cat drowning’ insert seems to have been shot at an unusual time, wonder if there was a rogue element that mandated this.

  62. Intriguing to note that Everyone’s Kryten, despite taking pride of place in promotional material, has been shuffled into the episode 5 slot if the order given on the fucked XI steelbook holds true.

  63. I’d be amazed if it wasn’t show 1 on broadcast I must say.

  64. Hmm. I’d better be careful here, because it was the one I was in the audience for. But I can see arguments both for and against using it as the opener.

    All I will say, hopefully without breaching the spoiler policy, is that if the other eps are as weird as they’ve been made to sound, then this is probably – by a long way – the *least* weird one. There is a particular guest actor mentioned in the set report who could be used in the case for having it as ep 1, but the *way* in which that actor is used must also be considered (there are also big names in other recordings, and it is interesting to note which episode is scheduled to be shown first according to the fucked steelbook if it’s the one I think it is).

  65. Siliconia and Mechocracy are incredibly similar episode titles. I wouldn’t be surprised if they are interchangeable in describing both episodes once they air. Considering episodes placement on the Blu-Ray, I’d push more for Show 1 filmed being Siliconia just because Episode 3 in the running order makes more sense for big episodes (Lemons, Give and Take).

    But also I wouldn’t be surprised if a complete hilarious curve ball is thrown and it turns out Here No Evil is the everybody is Kryten episode.

  66. Again, trying to be cryptic and coy for spoiler reasons, I’d been expecting lots of big guest stars in XI and we only really got Kevin Eldon and Dominic Coleman, and both of those are only well-known to people who watch a lot of TV comedy. Is that still on for XII?

  67. A big comedy name announced himself as in the new series in September (at the time it wasn’t known if he was in Series XI or XII but since he wasn’t in XI he’ll be in XII). It was reported on here on Ian’s Newsround from 07/09/16 if you want to go and find it.

  68. Ah, know who you mean without checking but I’d forgotten about that. I think he’s a good fit for Dwarf. I’m predicting Jonny Sweet for XII to make it the third series in a row we’ve had a guest star who’s played David Cameron.

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    Personally, I’m hoping for a CGI Tommy Cooper to pop up and do some wifebeating material.

  70. Was it ever confirmed he beat his wife? I thought he just gave her the standard hearty back of the handers that all wives got in the post-war era and he saved the beatings for the bit on the side. I am of course basing most of this on that David Threlfall piece.

    Having looked it up, Simon Nye wrote it. I damn near fell out of my seat just then.

  71. First off, given that star knot was episode 6 on the steelbook and that the 6th recorded was the one everyone thought would be the finale, I’d say it’s safe to call episode 6 star knot and not time wave for now.

    Also, is it just me or are these a lot less blue than the whole of XI?

  72. I would hazard a guess that Everyone’s Kryten is actually Siliconia as according to the steelbook this is earlier in the running order. Mechocracy could definitely be the title of a show I saw recorded which would fit the number 5 slot. Here No Evil would seem to be the batshit episode compared to Meltdown?

  73. Personally I had been assuming ‘Emohawk: Meltdown 2’ was “Siliconia”.

    We still know nothing about this series at all, do we!

  74. Awful lot of assumption and inference going on here. Fun to watch.

  75. Well, if you know something we don’t, Mr. Patrick, share it with the special needs class.

    Us, that’s us. We’re the special needs class.

  76. Seb is, of course, referring to the assumption and inference regarding Tommy Cooper’s wife-beating.

  77. Awful lot of assumption and inference going on here. Fun to watch.

    I wouldn’t have it any other way! It’s a cryptic crossword that I always without fail mess up, but too much fun not to have a go at.

  78. There is a line in one of the XII set reports that matches up so perfectly to the title “Siliconia”, though…

  79. I’m not going to say whether I saw Siliconia or Mechocracy recorded, but I’m interested in why people seem to think “Everybody’s Kryten” is one and not the other.

  80. There’s also of course still the possibility that there’s a giant fuck-off story arc and XII is a serial like VIII was*.

    *please do not reply with your opinions of VIII or I may eat my own balls in madness

  81. Is this a thread about Series VIII now? Well I’ll start…

    I can understand why people like Series VIII over the Dave era.

  82. It’s quite impressive just how little has actually got out about the actual stories – you can pick up all kinds of little details that have got out here and there, and there are some character-related spoilers (either directly stated or easily inferrable). But none of it relates to what the episodes are about – the only actual plot that’s really known is “everybody’s Kryten”, and even then it’s (a) something that was being talked about long before the recordings and (b) completely lacking in context as to how and why and when it happens.

    Given that we’re eighteen months after their being recorded, I think that’s testament to how good the audiences were at keeping schtum. You would only have to say one or two little words about each episode to completely blow apart a lot of the generally-held assumptions about them – but that hasn’t happened. Which is nice.

  83. My money’s on Siliconia being The One Where Everyone’s Kryten. I haven’t read the set reports since shortly after they appeared on here so only really based on the crew all being mechanoids and the new Kryten pic, I’m thinking Siliconia could be a mechanoid based society, maybe a sort of man-made or rather mech-made Silicon Heaven, and non-mechs aren’t allowed, and that’s why Lister, Rimmer and Cat have been turned into mechanoids, or are disguised as them.

  84. I could go with that, although I’ve always assumed that it was ‘Here No Evil’ (or any subsequent name change) just because I find it hard to believe that there was ever a time when it wasn’t down as episode 1.

  85. I could go with that, although I’ve always assumed that it was ‘Here No Evil’ (or any subsequent name change) just because I find it hard to believe that there was ever a time when it wasn’t down as episode 1.

    I *think* (and I must stress this is based entirely on what I read in the set report) that “Here No Evil” is the one featuring a certain Mr Norman Lovett.

  86. If it is some sort of time travel episode, I would plump for the Rimmer in Series 1 garb being the episode with Holly returning.

    I do hope the series has a time travel or messing around with time episode. Every series has had an episode involving time travel or time moving in an odd way (Future Echoes, Stasis Leak, Backwards/Timeslides, White Hole, The Inquisitor, Out of Time, Tikka to Ride, Pete, Lemons, Twentica/Give & Take). Considering the pictures above, the episode with old Lister or Classic Rimmer could fit the bill.

  87. Cwickham, you best be joking because many, including myself, don’t wanna hear a single spoiler.

    Thanks a fucking bunch.

  88. Ah, fuck. I think convergence of G&T having already acknowledged the cat was out of the bag months ago and the first ‘official’ information starting to come out led me to accidentally be less cautious than I should’ve been there. Really, really sorry.

  89. I was only joking.

    Does Norman have incriminating videos of Doug humping audience members or something? They keep inviting that moaning faced, back-stabbing cuntrag back.

    HATTIE 4EVA.

  90. Don’t be. It is public knowledge. Anybody hunting and discussing these pictures will be aware of the cat being out the bag on that particular casting.

    Anybody expecting us not to discuss something that was so public on a fucking fansite is being unreasonable.

  91. Seb’s right, it’s amazing that the only remotely plot-like thing we know is ‘lots of Krytens, including the crew’. And even then we don’t know if it’s some sort of DNA remodelling based on Kryten, or simply a series 4000 thing and thus everybody isn’t, in fact, ‘Kryten’. I think it’s possible to get a vague idea of the direction the probable-Star Knot will be taking, based on set reports and the Rimmer image, but I have a feeling that episode’s going to be complex and impossible to second guess by its very nature. The other four are complete mysteries. After eighteen months, that’s incredible going. I’m really happy as well – the images in this thread are as spoilery as I want to get for the whole series before watching, and I’m really disappointed about knowing about Norman (which got spoiled for me very early on), so for any more to get out would be a tragedy.

    Ah this is only a few weeks away now isn’t it? Cor, I’m excited.

  92. Anyone else who went to XII recordings struggling to remember the details of the episode(s) they saw? I remember the basic plot and a couple of surprises, but I’d be unable to give a particularly detailed synopsis. It was a bloody long time ago now.

  93. Anyone else who went to XII recordings struggling to remember the details of the episode(s) they saw? I remember the basic plot and a couple of surprises, but I’d be unable to give a particularly detailed synopsis. It was a bloody long time ago now.

    Yes I went to two and whilst remembering the overall plots and surprises there are only a handful of scenes I actually remember from both!

  94. Its quite funny how holly returning got out purely because of Norman.

    They probably would have preferred it a secret but Norman seemed eager for people to know he is back.

  95. Its quite funny how holly returning got out purely because of Norman.

    They probably would have preferred it a secret but Norman seemed eager for people to know he is back.

    Not quite… On the recording night one of the production team posted a picture of a clapperboard with his signature on it, so some people knew way before Norman himself let the cat out the bag.

  96. I’m not going to say whether I saw Siliconia or Mechocracy recorded, but I’m interested in why people seem to think “Everybody’s Kryten” is one and not the other.

    I dont think “everybody is kryten” is siliconia. As we know some “big names” are in this season and that Samsara was originally going to be set entirely in a lift. I therefore rather think that it must be the extended version of the scene cut from the original “Lift off” scrpt involving Brigitte Nielsen.

  97. I’m interested in why people seem to think “Everybody’s Kryten” is one and not the other.

    Best guess: The background of the photo and the beret indicate to me some sort of resistance or uprising so I tend towards the more political sounding term but to me either works.

  98. Anyone else who went to XII recordings struggling to remember the details of the episode(s) they saw? I remember the basic plot and a couple of surprises, but I’d be unable to give a particularly detailed synopsis. It was a bloody long time ago now.

    Anticipating that, I wrote down what I could remember shortly after the recordings so that I could replay those moments of glory over a glass of brandy in the sleeping quarters on a Saturday night over the following 18 months.

  99. It better be synopsis day tomorrow – I’ve had a hideous week and medically need to see it. If it’s not online by lunchtime tomorrow I’ll start a series of threads inviting episode by episode opinions on whether series VII, VIII and Back To Earth were good ideas or not. Hell, FRAME BY FRAME if we need to.

  100. The titles and synopses for all of Series XI was released around this time last year.

  101. I could give quite a long stream-of-consciousness about the XII recording I was at, if pushed.

  102. I want to hear the spoilery post-recording discussion of 12×6 released as a DwarfCast after the episode airs. It’d be interesting to compare everyone’s opinions on what they saw then to what they think of the final episode.

  103. How come Chris looks more like Kryten then Robert does these days…

  104. I hope there is an outtake with them all saying “I’ve just cacked me pants” and doing the face with the masks on.

  105. The problem seems to be that Craig Charles turns out to have such a round face with softly generic features that take unexpectedly brilliantly to prosthetics, when really for the visual gag to work you’d need him to be like Chris or Danny, who have more angular features that are basically undisguisable and are easy to make a ‘Kryten version’ of.

    There he just looks like series VI Kryten, maybe via Sinbad from Brookside.

  106. Craig was FAR more easily recognisable on the night – in the picture Si linked to I’d have thought he was Robert if I didn’t know. Maybe it’ll just come across differently on the screen.

  107. I’m wondering if that isn’t the sleeping quarters Rimmer is in, but a variation of the Captain’s office, would explain the difference size window…but who would be Capt. Hollister or Kochanski??

  108. I think its ok to talk about this now that a picture of a Rimmer wearing an early series like costume has been officially circulated,
    Its not as much a spoiler anymore, and this does come GNP public-ish source, but don’t read this post further if you are sensitive to further info about the episode Skipper which is probably where that picture comes from and the following i would guess..

    But watching the make up sections of the behind the scenes XI documentary, which is mostly shown in fast time lapse photography i had already spotted there is a female cast member or show extra seen in a series I/II uniform in a shot. So it was a XII make up day. Also when they had the XI london premier they used a production photo from XII in the cinema galleries, showing another member of the main cast in an iconic early costume alongside a more modern uniformed Rimmer.

  109. I’m guessing once we hear Craig talk his kryten becomes more recognisably him,
    Wether the cast are playing mechs that are like their original characters or doing kryten like impressions.

  110. I don’t think they’d pass up the chance to put Chris Barrie’s Kryten impression on screen, surely? I personally demand it.

    I like Craig Charles’ Kryten from the Last Human audiobook – it’s not really much of an impression at all but it captures the character very well. Arguably even more than Chris Barrie’s does!

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