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    Jimboid
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    Something that’s always bothered me…

    When we see the illustration of Cloister in the Cat bible…

    Isn’t that Rimmer?

    Facially, skin tone…he even seems to have a forehead-positioned symbol of some sort.

    Sooo…is the gag that the Cats thought Lister was God but got the wrong person?

    Or is it possible that the person who did the illustrations was given a publicity shot as reference and (this being the early days of the show), there was a misunderstanding and they drew Chris Barrie instead of Craig Charles?  Was the decision then made to just go with it, given the brief screen time and low resolution?

    Or at some point in an early draft, was Rimmer supposed to be the Cat God and the pictures were drawn based on those original plans?

    Or none of the above and I’m just imagining things?

    Who’s eating this chicken?

    What the hell is going on?!

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  • #294900
    Warbodog
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    It seems significant to me too, and I had the same thought process about the creative mix up. But it also works as a satire of colonial white-washing of religions by misrepresenting Craig Charles as a generic white dude, much as Red Dwarf USA would satirically do later.

    #294901
    Warbodog
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    he even seems to have a forehead-positioned symbol of some sort.
    Sooo…is the gag that the Cats thought Lister was God but got the wrong person?

    Rimmer wasn’t a hologram at the time.

    …could it be McIntyre?

    #294904
    Jonathan Capps
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    Wibbly wobbly, timey wimey…

    #294911
    Dave
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    I think the other illustrations we see suggest that it’s a more generic saviour figure. 

    Although I did quite like the version used in Promised Land that is more closely modelled on Lister.

    #294913
    tombow
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    Maybe Holly activated Rimmer some time before and the cats saw him?

    #294959
    Technopeasant
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    I think the other illustrations we see suggest that it’s a more generic saviour figure.

    Honestly those ones do look more like Craig.

    #294961

    I honestly always thought the pictures looked a little too much like Lister. After all the centuries of Chinese Whispers distorting things passed down by mouth there’s still some logic, but there’s no way over millions of years that any resemblance would remain. He should look a lot more like a cat, really, the way the west portrays the Middle Eastern Jesus as white.

    #294968

    Maybe they have the photo of Lister and Frankenstein as a reference point 

    #294971
    cwickham
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    Lister is visible through the window in the stasis booth and his files on Red Dwarf will include his photo, and Holly can presumably communicate with the cats in the hold.

    #294976
    Flap Jack
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    Maybe Holly could communicate with the cats in the hold, but I always got the impression he didn’t. After all, why not actively give them information and correct all their misunderstandings about Lister in that case, not just interrupt them making religious artwork to inform them that their creator Cloister the Stupid had dreads?

    Of course, the subject of the cats is a minefield of things it’s better not to think about. Like how are there any food supplies left on the ship at all after they were used to feed 3 million years of cats? And how did all the cats leave the ship in big arks if they were confined to the hold?

    #294978

    When Lister goes down to the Cat Priest in Waiting for God, he loses contact with Holly. So I think the intention is Holly never had contact with the Cat’s. Otherwise he likely wouldn’t have gone senile. 

    It’s not clear, but I always had the impression that Cat busting out of the vent in The End was one of the first times he (and maybe all Cats) had been to that part of the ship. 

    Otherwise they’d have presumably salvaged everything and there’d be absolutely nothing left all. I think they most stuck to the bowels of the ship. 

    #294979
    Dave
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    Yeah, I assumed Holly sealed the cats and left them there until the background radiation was safe to give them access to other parts of the ship, which is the same time as Lister was revived. I never got the impression he’d communicated with them – but at the same time obviously Holly knows about the cats to some extent, as it’s him who explains them to Lister.

    #294980

    The vending machines in the first two series seem to work like replicators, which explains the food situation before Mel Bibby arrived on board and gave the ship a huge overhaul while the crew were asleep. Maybe they all work like that. 

    #294981

    I’ve never sensed them working like replicators. In the opening scene Rimmer is literally cleaning a nozzle with a pipe cleaner.

    i think they’re just futuristic dumb waiters 

    #294986
    RunawayTrain
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    I’ve never sensed them working like replicators. In the opening scene Rimmer is literally cleaning a nozzle with a pipe cleaner.
    i think they’re just futuristic dumb waiters 

    I assumed they were voice activated vending machines, but with a greater range than real life vending machines.  (And I thought that already before I got to the Dave era in which they have literal vending machines.)

    #294999

    Those early machines are weird anyway. Rimmer cleans the nozzle in the opening, but then when he orders chicken soup it arrives immediately on a mini dumb waiter style device. And they’re stocked with buckets and wellington boots. I still think it’s some kind of replicatory type thing. 

    #295002
    Flap Jack
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    But the existence of food replicators is difficult to reconcile with all the mentions of supply levels (the last After Eight mint, “we’re on the dog’s milk” etc.).

    Oh, and also the whole set up of Demons & Angels.

    #295004
    clem
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    Those early machines are weird anyway. Rimmer cleans the nozzle in the opening, but then when he orders chicken soup it arrives immediately on a mini dumb waiter style device. And they’re stocked with buckets and wellington boots. I still think it’s some kind of replicatory type thing. 

    The real question is how the fuck the microwave in Polymorph works. 

    I think Holly knew about the cat race the whole time but couldn’t communicate with them, or just chose not to for some reason. That seems to be the case in IWCD at least, where he does worry briefly about all the supplies they’re using up but just leaves them to it and busies himself gurning and reading while the cats evolve. Alternatively there’s that Smegazine strip where he’s some kind of religious icon for the cats iirc

    #295007
    GlenTokyo
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    I think it’s just a pick and place machine, with plumbing and nozzles for liquids. 
    The nozzles are above the platform in each unit, and the back wall is the access to the pick and place system. Each floor’s vending machines would be lined up vertically so that they all share one shaft and items just get sent up or down from centralised sorting zones so that you’re not on floor 139 waiting for 20 minutes for a cup to arrive from floor 16.
    It’d make sense that way as anything in the ships stores can be sent up, so long as they fit in the opening, so you’ve got one system for everything. Uniform, food, buckets, small bits of equipment…

    I think it’s made clear that Red Dwarf physically has things in the hold. Although, they must have stasis tinning methods because otherwise the first time Lister had something to eat after being revived, he’d have shat himself inside out.

    #295010

    But the soup arrives immediately. It’s not a case of waiting for it to pour. Same as the bucket and wellies. They must have been waiting, prepared. And from what we can see, the soup comes from above where the nozzle was.

    I think it’s replicators but they have Rimmer and Lister doing pretend makework because they’re useless but they can’t fire them. But unlike Star Trek replicators, these are made from pre-existing patterns which are limited. Kind of like the old sci-fi cartoon pills you pour water on and turn into a full meal. So they have a thousand servings of soup available in each vending machine and when you order one it’s immediately beamed in. 

    I am definitely not just making this up on the spot to find away around a visual discrepancy and throwaway gag in the first two episodes. 

    Actually, I honestly think the Future Echoes scene is written intended to be at least vaguely like a replicator, a machine that can just provide anything you want immediately, but it gets it hilariously wrong. And then that idea is never useful for the plot again so is quietly dropped. 

    #295011

    Although thinking about it, Lister having to wait 20 seconds for the wellies to arrive is potentially funnier than it being immediate.

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