Contradictions

[Dave]

Obviously the continuity of Red Dwarf is usually absolutely water-tight, but occasionally the odd flat-out contradiction does slip through.

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[Moonlight]

He probably couldn’t read an analog clock either.

My siblings can’t even read one and we had one hanging in the living room for decades. Although maybe that’s because it doesn’t label the numbers.

[Rushy]

They taught us the analog clock at school, but I didn’t catch on until I worked it through my understanding of the digital clock. For some reason they couldn’t just tell us that 6 meant 30. 

[Warbodog]

I didn’t know this was a thing, but I guess it’s like how I don’t know what pounds and ounces are because I was raised metric. It makes sense, RIP time.

[RunawayTrain]

I didn’t know this was a thing, but I guess it’s like how I don’t know what pounds and ounces are because I was raised metric. It makes sense, RIP time.

How old are you (roughly) and where are you from?

Back on the subject of analogue clocks, do they not have them in public places in America?  Over here they’re on town halls and supermarkets with clocktowers, although thinking about it a lot of them have Roman numerals instead of Arabic.  But I just can’t imagine children not being curious and wanting to know what it says.  Every school classroom still has an analogue clock over here too, partly for the teachers to easily keep track of time and partly to keep the skill of reading them alive.  I’d say it’s a bit more relevant to modern life than lbs and oz since only babies are measured in those (informally) now, recipes are all metric – or if they’re not, they’re in cups not weight.  (I STILL don’t understand that, volume for most non-liquid ingredients is inconsistent; weight is consistent.)

[Warbodog]

How old are you (roughly) and where are you from?

Standard G&T demographic, 40 m uk.

I forgot about stones too, but haven’t weighed myself in those since I was a kid. On the last Taskmaster series, I was surprised that even the younger ones were guessing Alex’s weight in stone, I’m probably just ignorant.

[Rushy]

“You put on two stone”, he says to Craig Charles, who looks fit as a fiddle

[Moonlight]

Over here they’re on town halls and supermarkets with clocktowers, although thinking about it a lot of them have Roman numerals instead of Arabic. 

Our living room clock had VI and XII and then everything else is just a line segment pointing towards the center. Growing up I had to learn to infer the time based only on the position of the hands rather than seeing the actual numbers they pointed at. That’s the thing my siblings could never do.

[Warbodog]

VI and XII and then everything else

Sounds like Rushy’s next Red Dwarf marathon.

[Moonlight]

Sounds like Rushy’s next Red Dwarf marathon.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Over here they’re on town halls and supermarkets with clocktowers, although thinking about it a lot of them have Roman numerals instead of Arabic. 
Our living room clock had VI and XII and then everything else is just a line segment pointing towards the center. Growing up I had to learn to infer the time based only on the position of the hands rather than seeing the actual numbers they pointed at. That’s the thing my siblings could never do.

You think that’s bad. Your ancestors had to infer the time from the position of the sun 

[Nick R]

Back on the subject of analogue clocks, do they not have them in public places in America?

They had them as recently as 2015:

Admittedly that particular clock had been stuck showing one time for the past 60 years, so no-one needed to learn how to read it.

[International Debris]

I’ve always weighed myself in stone and pounds and, despite having that converted to kg many a time, still have literally no idea what my actual metric weight is.

Same for height. Feet and inches.

[Moonlight]

Me, an American, reading this conversation:

[Rushy]

VI and XII and then everything else
Sounds like Rushy’s next Red Dwarf marathon.

I’m showing my brother series VIII for the first time soon. Pray for him. 

[Technopeasant]

Raw honey in Canada is weighed in pounds, even if we of course sell the finished goods in metric.

But I mean, stone just sounds heavy.

[Unrumble]

Raw honey in Canada is weighed in pounds, even if we of course sell the finished goods in metric.
But I mean, stone just sounds heavy.

Don’t worry, they’ll sort it out in the dub. 

[Flap Jack]

I’m showing my brother series VIII for the first time soon. Pray for him.

I like how you’re framing this as if you simply have no choice but to do this to him. You could end the cycle of violence. You could.

[Warbodog]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

I’m showing my brother series VIII for the first time soon. Pray for him. 

He’s your brother. I pray from him daily already.

[Rushy]

I like how you’re framing this as if you simply have no choice but to do this to him. You could end the cycle of violence. You could.

But he’s become so invested. How could I possibly rob him of the experience?

He’s your brother. I pray from him daily already.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Rushy carrying the lifeless corpse of his brother after forcing him to watch series VIII

[Renegade Rob]

I’m showing my brother series VIII for the first time soon. Pray for him. 

If you’re going to watch and/or show someone Series VIII, I highly recommend being non-sober for it. Speaking from experience, alcohol puts you in the right headspace for VIII, where you can actually legitimately enjoy it, like almost in an MST3K kind of way.

It’s weird to say, but Series VIII is a vibe (mind you a crude, boorish, often-offensive vibe) but if you have a way of turning your brain off (whatever’s your poison), it actually goes a long way to syncing you up with VIII’s frequency to the point where you can almost sort-of appreciate what it’s going for. 

[Rushy]

A consumer of alcohol he is not. But very, very excited for Back in the Red, he is. 

[Warbodog]

very, very excited for Back in the Red, he is. 

It would be exciting the first time, especially if he’s been watching along for all 11 previous episodes.

[Dave]

A consumer of alcohol he is not.

He will be after he’s seen Series VIII.

[Rushy]

 It would be exciting the first time, especially if he’s been watching along for all 11 previous episodes.

[Rushy]

I fooled him into thinking Back to Earth is a television film. So we will be watching it all at once.

 

[International Debris]

Rushy finally outs himself as actually evil.

[Rushy]

But there is something inherently interesting about the detached clinical way one observes moral decay within one’s own spirit. First, the withering of your unused pair of tiny ethics. The plucking of guilt’s yellow pustules. And finally, one massive shart as you empty the bowels of your nihilism all over society’s handmade carpet floor. 

[RunawayTrain]

How old are you (roughly) and where are you from?
Standard G&T demographic, 40 m uk.
I forgot about stones too, but haven’t weighed myself in those since I was a kid. On the last Taskmaster series, I was surprised that even the younger ones were guessing Alex’s weight in stone, I’m probably just ignorant.

I’m younger than you, that’s so interesting.  The only reason I know my metric weight because of having to submit it for medical reasons, and I stopped wanting to know what my weight was was so switched to kg (only stones have any real meaning for me, not kg).

With Taskmaster I don’t know if it was necessarily their choice; the contestants presumably just used the scales as they were set up as they were only allowed two readings.  Alex uses stones himself but on this occasion that may not be relevant if it’s the default used in horseracing still.  I mean as far as I’m aware they still use hands and furlongs so to use metric for jockeys’ weights would be incongruous!

Raw honey in Canada is weighed in pounds, even if we of course sell the finished goods in metric.
But I mean, stone just sounds heavy.

Preserves here too, mostly – sold in metric but the weights match with lbs and oz.  Honey, jam, marmalade, etc.  Fresh milk is in pints (unless it’s been processed more than standard, e.g. filtered) and UHT is in litres. 

We are a real mish-mash, and as evidenced even by this thread the units used as a vernacular aren’t even consistent by generation!

[Ian Symes]

Fresh milk is in pints (unless it’s been processed more than standard, e.g. filtered) and UHT is in litres. 

[tombow]

does anyone have a guess for Lister’s actual weight (in theory based on what the character eats, not Craig Charles actual physique) at the start and end of Bodyswap? I’m thinking 12-14 stone 

[Renegade Rob]

According to my cursory googling, based on the objective analysis of Commander Binks, Lister’s “physical age” is 47, for which the average weight for a male is 206.9 pounds, or approximately 14.78 stone, which, depending on height, ranges from being overweight to obese for a male in his mid-twenties. Now this is 1.5 series after Bodyswap, so Lister’s dietary habits may have changed in that time, especially depending on how long he actually stayed on that post-Bodyswap diet. 

[Dave]

I just realised that this experience might be why Lister has this reaction later on.

[Rushy]

What is Lister holding in that second gif? Sliced carrots that are glued to the flower looking thing?

[International Debris]

It’s a carrot majestically cut into the shape of a flower, I think. The green is… I dunno, the green sprouty at the top of a carrot?

[International Debris]

[Technopeasant]

Fresh milk is in pints

[Rushy]

My brother enjoyed Back in the Red Part 1. Or so he claims. 

I personally began feeling deep regrets when this line was uttered

[International Debris]

God the pacing in that scene is SO SLOW. It’s like a VI cockpit scene if it was directed and edited by a 13 year old. Even a naff joke like that would land better if it was told snappily. 

[Rushy]

God the pacing in that scene is SO SLOW. It’s like a VI cockpit scene if it was directed and edited by a 13 year old. Even a naff joke like that would land better if it was told snappily. 

My thoughts exactly. There’s a few decent gags in there, but I keep expecting them to splatter Starbug against a wall with all that chatter. 

[Warbodog]

We need an Xtended cut showing Lister’s nano-enlarged body contracting vertically, then horizontally several times until it’s back to normal, per their observed molecular process.

[Rushy]

I found it remarkable that they didn’t bother to start with any kind of Previously On recap to explain what’s going on. 

Lister later tells Rimmer the story, but that’s halfway through the episode. What’s your average viewer supposed to make of it?

[Moonlight]

I made a fan edit of Back in the Red years ago where I ended up cutting the entire thing down to around 47 minutes just to see if it would be any better. It is, but it’s still not good.

I cut like 4 minutes from that opening Starbug scene and it’s actually snappy and has some tension when they’re not bantering for seven ice ages between each thing actually happening.

[Dax101]

That opening was basically an apology for Series 7.

[Moonlight]

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Why do they fly down a corridor anyway?

[Warbodog]

That’s probably more series VII’s fault for ending with them zooming full speed into the landing bay rather than, like, not.

[Rushy]

Why do they fly down a corridor anyway?

They fly into the landing bay and then get sucked into an air vent.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Why do they fly down a corridor anyway?

They fly into the landing bay and then get sucked into an air vent.

They’re in a corridor first, we see them fly into it in Nanarchy

They fly into the landing bay,

then into a corridor,

then into an air vent. 

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