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  • #5092
    Trena
    Participant

    Well wasn’t that a nice, if amateurish event.

    #104459
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Was it your first one?
    It was mine, and I had an amazing time. Perhaps some things didn’t run according to schedule, but apparently they had much bigger numbers than they were used to dealing with. I thought that the organising team did very well to handle it, and the cast were lovely! (Especially Craig’s Q+A)

    #104460
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    That was nice in the same way a sledge hammer is slightly tough. I loved every second of it….I didn’t even mind waiting for Chris Barry to finish yakking and get some signing done!!

    #104462
    hummingbird
    Participant

    > if amateurish

    If by that you mean an event that’s not run by a big events company out to make loads of dosh and rip the fans off for every penny they can, then yes.

    #104463
    Trena
    Participant

    The scheduled events were good, the cast and FX team were on top form and happy to gabber away and then sign various obscure video slips.

    The waiting around during long delays wasn’t particularly inspiring, regardless of the tenacity and genuinely helpful nature of the fan club team that ran the event.

    I suspect Dimension Jump 2010 will be a much more tightly scheduled and more – professionally? – run affair.

    #104467
    si
    Participant

    Dimension Jump 2010. I can’t wait.

    #104466
    Trena
    Participant

    > If by that you mean an event that?s not run by a big events company out to make loads of dosh and rip the fans off for every penny they can, then yes.

    Nonsense, take the Torchwood convention run twice a year by Showmasters. A close friend of mine is a devotee and has ensured me of its absolute value for money, tight scheduling and absolute plethora of events during down-time inbetween cast and crew talks and autograph / photography sessions.

    Dimension Jump had a bunch of episodes and long waits while a partially functioning karaoke was constructed…

    #104468
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Well, the karaoke was bad, and I’m sure they’ll know not to book that guy again. The DJ at the disco was awesome, though, so it made up for it.
    And taking the word “professional” to mean doing something and being paid for it, then I don’t think it was, so you have to respect the fan club for that. There was a lot of waiting around but if you befriended every poor soul within a 5m radius then the time passed a lot more quickly!

    #104470
    Trena
    Participant

    I respect the fan club for the time and effort they put in, but it seems pre-planning went right out the window.

    They had fourteen previous convention experiences to learn from and plan a good range of downtime and delay activities.

    #104475
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    But you’re forgetting that they normally only get about 100 people, not the 400 odd that turned up this time. Plus it won’t have been the same people running it for 14 DJs!

    #104476
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I suspect Dimension Jump 2010 will be a much more tightly scheduled and more – professionally? – run affair.

    You seem to forget that it’s not run by professionals. I mean, technically, it is entirely amateur. It’s run by a not-for-profit organisation, and nobody involved in the running of it gets paid a penny. That was the point being made above about it not being run by one of these companies – you refuted that with your point about the Torchwood cons, but as you said yourself they’re run by a company called Showmasters (who, I presume from their name, specialise in shows).

    I’m not going to say this event was anything like perfect. But I think using the word “amateurish” in such a pejorative sense – even though technically the word is correct, I don’t think the usage applied – is a bit unfair. Especially considering how well most of the events, when they did get going, went – Craig’s Q&A was spectacular, and Richard O’Callaghan’s was pretty great given the time of night as well.

    #104479
    Trena
    Participant

    A little foresight goes a long way, especially with the increased numbers that were expected due to the success of Back To Earth. The knowledge that a few hundred punters who have paid fifty quid a pop to be there would make anyone planning such an event create a downtime schedule that could be offbeat and fun for all sitting around, drinking four quid lagers.

    Luckily, a nice and not overly large woman became interested and got me drunk.

    #104478
    hummingbird
    Participant

    @Trena : Maybe you’d be better off going to the unofficial convention, run by a professional company, which classes fans according to how much they can afford (how nice it must be to be a third class fan!).
    I seem to recall that you could get your Q&A, autographs and photo session for the trifling sum of ?150.

    #104480
    Carlito
    Participant

    > Cardiff Dimension Jump 2010. I can?t wait

    Fixed.

    ;)

    #104483
    Trena
    Participant

    I guess it is a little unfair, but I’ve been absolutely spoilt by other conventions where the main events are on time, and if not, there is a solid amount of distractions and pre-planned bookings with the hotels and halls for the fans to pick up reasonably priced drink, food and various merchandise tidbits.

    Both sides, the fan club and the hotel, can benefit greatly, regardless of its voluntary planning team.

    #104484
    hummingbird
    Participant

    Well then, on a positive note, why don’t you offer your experience to the fan club and help to organise the next one?

    #104485
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    Trena, considering the amount of effort the fan club put into getting the con set up, unpaid in their spare time, I’ve got to say… you’re sounding like a bit of an ungrateful arse.

    #104486
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    hummingbird said it better, actually… :)

    #104487
    Trena
    Participant

    I dunno, they seem a bit cliquey and perhaps wary of knobby outsiders with a grumble or three to broadcast.

    #104488
    Kris Carter
    Participant

    #104489
    hummingbird
    Participant

    It was my first DJ and I only knew people from posting on this site.
    I found everyone – without exception – very friendly. It’s one of the friendliest events I’ve been to.

    The fan club people were busy – of course they were – but I never found them cliquey.

    Did you even try talking to them? I mean, apart from when you were grumbling?

    #104490
    Trena
    Participant

    They were by all accounts, very nice and helpful people.

    But some upstart jumping in with a bunch of ideas, demands and plans, how would you react?

    I’d punch myself…

    #104493
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    FAN CLUB: The team’s well aware of how everything went over the weekend and what we’d like to work on and improve.

    G&T: You’re talking like a prick.

    #104494
    TheLeen
    Participant

    I have got suggestions for next time and I shall send them to the fanclub when I’m a little less… tired.

    #104496
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I have got suggestions for next time and I shall send them to the fanclub when I?m a little less? tired.

    Yup, we had loads of excellent feedback from people with regards to how to improve next year and Jo, Ian and I already have a decent sized word document with the beginnings of ideas to enhance and improve, including everything that Trena has mentioned.

    The post-event DJ site will be launched tomorrow, by the way, with a nice survey to direct your suggestions at.

    #104497
    Trena
    Participant

    I have a ton of ideas, from vague to detailed.

    I’m talking like a prick, apparantly.

    #104498
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I?m talking like a prick, apparantly.

    I dunno, I’ve heard plenty of negative comments this weekend and from the start of reading yours you had my back up in a way they didn’t, despite the fact you were complaining about the things that we’re most wanting to focus on next year. I think you’ve been patronising and dismissive, which isn’t the best way to get yourself heard.

    #104499
    Trena
    Participant

    As long as major improvements are made for next years event, then I’m sure it can be a wholly positive and long-running event, especially as we have new episodes to look forward to and a growing fan base.

    I, along with many others, just want to see Dimension Jump be a convention that can attract many people and also compete with some of the best events out there, and at the same time keep its personal, reasonably priced and fan-prioritised nature.

    Not once have I been patronising or dismissive, and being called a prick isn’t a reliable way to endear yourself to a concerned and completely grateful person who, regardless of the downtime, had a cracking time at the convention.

    #104502
    Jo
    Participant

    They were by all accounts, very nice and helpful people.

    But some upstart jumping in with a bunch of ideas, demands and plans, how would you react?

    I?d punch myself?

    So… you accuse us of being cliquey because?

    I appreciate that, especially with the autograph session on Saturday, there was a lot of waiting around and we tried our best to make the queuing as short as possible on Sunday. But we had nearly 400 attendees who all wanted to get autographs and photos with the cast members who attended there was only so much we could do. Yes, the time it would take to get everyone through was underestimated, I admit that and we apologised on more than one occasion for this. Will we learn from this experience? Yes, absolutely!

    You say we have 14 events worth of experience in holding Dimension Jumps and should have learned by now? But that’s not entirely true. The Official Red Dwarf Fan Club as an organisation has a history of putting on these events, but the team is not the same now as it was in 1992, the team is not even the same now as it was for DJXIV and this DJ was the busiest in 12 years.

    While other events may be a little more slick and polished, the way we run DJ means that we can offer 7 Red Dwarf cast members plus the 5 FX boys – all doing Q&As, signing autographs and posing for photos – all for a maximum entrance fee of ?65. We *could* speed up the queues by charging for photos or indeed banning them altogether, but this would be completely at odds with the philosophy of an event run by fans for the fans. If we were to make this a more ‘professional’ event then not only would it cost the attendees much more, but it would change Dimension Jump into a completely different event.

    The guests and fans alike enjoy the more relaxed atmosphere at DJ. At our event, if Hattie decides to have a dance at the disco, attendees can join her. Or if Craig plays a few impromptu tunes on the piano, anyone can watch. We don’t segregate attendees based on how much they can afford to pay.

    We are more than happy to take on board feedback and will try our best to work on any valid issues raised. If anyone has any ideas for us then please fill in our DJXV survey and let us know.

    #104503
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I’ll apologise for the prick comment (not quite found the right Fan Club/G&T balance right on here) but you’re still being patronising and dismissive and not doing a great job endearing yourself to us while making your comments.

    #104504
    Trena
    Participant

    You’re assuming I want changes in terms of pricing, cast access and so on…

    I really do not, not in the slightest. The clique remark was a joke and I knew as soon as I typed it in, it would be pounced on, even with a joke aimed at myself at the end of that post to make that obvious.

    The waiting during autographs is inevitable, all I want is a good range of activities to be launched and utilised in periods of delay, technical or personal in terms of cast delay or in times of downtime i.e autograph signing and inbetween cast appearances.

    I’ll refer back to my previous post as well.

    My appreciation for Dimension Jump is unbounded.

    Jonathan, I suggest you find peace with your opinion of me, I don’t want to continue an argument you started, thank you.

    After all, I’m in the process of building a model of Red Dwarf, I’m considering having it signed by everyone and perhaps auctioning it at the event for a good charity… perhaps the charity or charities that Danny John Jules actively participates in.

    #104505
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Jonathan, I suggest you find peace with your opinion of me, I don?t want to continue an argument you started, thank you.

    My initial reaction was based on the cliquey comment as I saw no evidence in that post that it was a joke aimed at you. Sounded very much like an unfair and inaccurate dig, so you should understand why I was annoyed.

    I’ve never said your concerns aren’t accurate, but my comments about your initial tone stand, hence my even worse tone. I apologise, anyway.

    #104506
    Trena
    Participant

    Cliquey sod.

    #104507
    Jo
    Participant

    The waiting during autographs is inevitable, all I want is a good range of activities to be launched and utilised in periods of delay, technical or personal in terms of cast delay or in times of downtime i.e autograph signing and inbetween cast appearances.

    See, now this I can work with and as Cappsy has already mentioned, we spent our train journey home typing up a massive list of things to work on and new ideas for last time. More things to occupy attendees in between events and during autographs being among them.

    The majority of people I spoke to on Sunday and Monday had a great time despite the queuing issue and delays, I hope that this is indeed the case with you. Unfortunately some problems arose which we couldn’t foresee and could do nothing about (Bobby being late, for example) but I also accept that there were some things that we could maybe have handled better and we will endeavour to fix these things for DJXVI.

    On a personal note, your comment about the team being cliquey may have been a joke, but it doesn’t read as one and it was what prompted me to post. This was my first DJ on the fan club team and it was a very different experience to my previous DJs. I hardly stopped all weekend, literally running all over the place, I barely found any time to speak to some of my best friends or even my own brother who attended the event. I really tried my hardest to keep everyone as happy as was possible, chatting to attendees, dealing with any problems which arose and all the time trying to be as approachable as possible. You can see why an unfounded comment such as yours, joke or not, would provoke a response.

    #104508
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Cliquey sod.

    Oh you.

    #104509
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Jo, how many characters are allowed in the comment field of that survey? Cause I think I wrote a wall of text. And I totally FORGOT to include this:

    Scheduling updates per twitter please! So that you’ll know even when you’re in the autograph queue! If you have a proper phone (which I haven’t, but oh well)

    #104510
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > Jo, how many characters are allowed in the comment field of that survey? Cause I think I wrote a wall of text. And I totally FORGOT to include this:

    Don’t worry, the form would tell you if you broke it with all your text!

    #104511
    Trena
    Participant

    I’m more than happy to offer my services to the team. When I get involved with projects, I do tend to become very focused and perhaps overly determined to plan out everything in gratuitious detail, so my apologies are also offered to those offended by any misinterpretation of my remarks.

    You, along with the rest of the team were nothing short of amazing to marshal in and keep the convention running for nothing more in compensation than the love of the show.

    #104512
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Thank you Cappsy!

    #104513
    Liam Fretwell
    Participant

    I didn’t know I was part of a clique! Joy behold!

    #104521
    Trena
    Participant

    I wish I was part of a clique, I’d broadcast my daily diatribe in a completely viewerless blog and rant on regardless of threats of actual physical violence.

    Much like I’ve doing since I was seventeen.

    *Punches himself*

    *Twice*

    #104522
    Dave
    Participant

    The clique shall inherit the Earth.

    #104524
    Trena
    Participant

    Boots perfume counter staff are always dependable when an emergency clique is needed, and they smell just awful.

    #104541
    Joey
    Participant

    A beardy clique.

    #104542
    Trena
    Participant

    Born to clique.

    #104565
    Liam Fretwell
    Participant

    You and your beard fetish Joey!

    #104579
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    Not another beard thread ;)
    Well. I thought DJ was awesome. So, no complaining! And the next one will be even better, although I won’t be able to attend :(

    #104591
    hummingbird
    Participant

    > although I won?t be able to attend :(

    Oh noes!

    #104601
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Seriously, Gwynnie? Uhm… objection!

    #104602
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Presumably this will have something to do with being in Japan?

    Also, newsflash: DJ isn’t the only necessary excuse for getting together. It’s a good way of meeting awesome people, but you don’t always have to wait until the next one to see them again.

    #104607
    redhead85
    Participant

    Was lovely meeting Cappsy and Jo the other day – would be nice to have a larger London gathering to meet more new RD peeps

    #104608
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Just name the wheres and whens. All of Team G&T are in London except for Danny, so there’s a start.

    #104610
    redhead85
    Participant

    We went to a pub in London Bridge last time which seemed to suit as we were all eastenders ^__^ Twas called The Southwark Tavern – we reserved a cell downstairs. Was good fun

    #104612
    hummingbird
    Participant

    I’d love to meet up again, but I’m not in London either.
    Still, if you could arrange it for a weekend and someone would let me kip on their sofa ….

    #104613
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Sheffield, has no particular relevance to Red Dwarf at all of course. However it’s where myself and Si mong about and I’ve plenty of room. It’s sort of like a Birmingham for the north.

    #104614
    redhead85
    Participant

    Weekends before Christmas might be difficult for me but you’re more than welcome to kip in our spare room if we organise a weekend in Jan or something

    #104617
    hummingbird
    Participant

    Thanks, hun. That would be lovely.

    I’ve room for a couple of people on the Wirral. Handy for Liverpool – we could have a few drinks at the pub formerly known as the Aigburth Arms.

    #104620
    Andrew
    Participant

    Anyone else having Marleen’s avatar image come up as unloadable?

    #104621
    ori-STUDFARM
    Participant

    Yes, unloadable on mine too.

    My opinion of the schedule changes over the weekend (for what they’re worth!) Loved them. I’d accidently booked a train ticket a couple of hours too early and would have missed Chloe’s appearance. Her early arrival on stage was such a relief. When I read that Craig, Danny and Chloe would all be on in the morning, I was so relieved!

    Other changes were fine. I easily spotted changes, the update boards were clearly displayed. Only worry I had was when Hattie didn’t do her signing and we knew she had to leave Saturday. What a trooper to return the way she did! I think I love Hattie!

    #104622
    TheLeen
    Participant

    It’s broken. I’ll replace it. Tomorrow.

    #104623
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >I?ve room for a couple of people on the Wirral.

    “The Wirral”? Tut tut. I’ve heard pedantic sorts say it’s either just “Wirral” or “the Wirral peninsula” ;-)

    (hence the excellent Half Man Half Biscuit lyric : I didn’t take much time convincin’ her / Baby, I’m from the Wirral Peninsula)

    I’m from Crosby, by the way, and will be back there for a bit over Christmas. So if any northerners did fancy an Aigburth Arms trip, it might be possible to swing. Even though venturing anywhere south of Town scares me.

    #104624
    hummingbird
    Participant

    Sounds good. Give me a shout when you’re in town.

    > I?ve heard pedantic sorts say …. ?the Wirral peninsula?

    That’s the same people who claim it’s in Cheshire.

    #104625
    TheLeen
    Participant

    The Coventry.

    It had to be said.

    Again.

    Hummingbird, check your email…

    #104626
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > So if any northerners did fancy an Aigburth Arms trip,

    Actually me and Dangerman talked about doing another Aigburth meet. Curtis the friendly neighbourhood Ray Fiennes lookalike would probably tag along too.

    #104627
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > So if any northerners did fancy an Aigburth Arms trip,

    Actually me and Dangerman talked about doing another Aigburth meet. Curtis the friendly neighbourhood Ray Fiennes lookalike would probably tag along too.

    #104629
    Dave
    Participant

    >would be nice to have a larger London gathering to meet more new RD peeps

    Sounds good to me

    #104630
    Jo
    Participant

    >The Coventry

    As you can see it was quite a small event.

    #104631
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    A shame it was the last one.

    #104644
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    ?

    #104645
    si
    Participant

    Sheffield, has no particular relevance to Red Dwarf at all of course. However it?s where myself and Si mong about and I?ve plenty of room. It?s sort of like a Birmingham for the north.

    Me like.

    #104646
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Karl: ?

    Please refer to your DJXV booklet for further details…

    #104652
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Ah which idiot wrote that then?

    #104662
    Anonymous
    Inactive

    Maybe, just maybe, one day I’ll actually have the opportunity to go to one of these things.

    Sounds awesome, and I’ll avidly feed off your experiences.

    Keep them coming.

    #104669
    Joey
    Participant

    >> So if any northerners did fancy an Aigburth Arms trip,

    >Actually me and Dangerman talked about doing another Aigburth meet. Curtis the friendly neighbourhood Ray Fiennes lookalike would probably tag along too.

    Count me in faw shaw.

    #104671
    Trena
    Participant

    Can I join in? I live in Manchester and I wore a funny t-shirt at the convention.

    #104677
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    I live in Manchester too. We have Curtis Threadgold and Matt (can’t spell his surname off the top of my head) and probably lots more. You can all come to my birthday piss-up in December too!
    And re: next DJ, yeah, I will be in Japan for a year teaching English! Which will be awesome but missing DJ will make me very sad. I promise to make up for it at the one after that!!

    #104681
    Trena
    Participant

    I think I’ll dress up as a solo Sensational Reverse Brother for the 2010 convention.

    Rimmer Reverse, Kryten Reverse and me… Treppo Reverse.

    #104745
    Carlito
    Participant

    So you’d be the Sensational Reverse Only-Child?

    #104746
    Trena
    Participant

    Thereabouts, or I could dress up as an almagamation of every character Tony Hawks has played.

    Should be interesting to choose which part of my body adorns Caligulas toga.

    #104753
    hummingbird
    Participant

    I’m more concerned about which part gets to be the vending machine.

    #104758
    Dave
    Participant

    >So you?d be the Sensational Reverse Only-Child?

    dlihc-ylno esrever lanoitasnes eht

    #104759
    Trena
    Participant

    > I?m more concerned about which part gets to be the vending machine.

    It will involve being given a refund and asked never to return to the Holiday Inn Birmingham ever again.

    #104797
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    So according to the Facebook invite I just got, DJ XVI will coincide with the San Diego Comic-Con. That’s pretty silly. I don’t care if they’re in different countries, that’s still bloody madness.

    #104804
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Is it ‘madness ‘because you’re likely to be the only person affected by this clash?

    #104805
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Dammit, I was hoping to go to SDCC next year, as well.

    Still, though, “bloody madness”? Bit harsh. I can’t imagine there’s a MASSIVE crossover of people who’d go to both (what with them being on different sides of the Atlantic, and all).

    #104808
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    It’s madness for me. I make money off of one, so I know what my choice will be. A shame really as I was planning to go to DJ next year.

    #104809
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    No offence, though, Ben, but DJ isn’t structured around you. It’s annoying for you, but it’s not “bloody madness” for TORDFC to pick an available date in the summer that happens to clash with things that people in another country might be doing.

    #104811
    redhead85
    Participant

    THIS IS SPARTA!

    Sorry, couldn’t resist adding to ‘the drama’.

    #104815
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    #104816
    TheLeen
    Participant

    LOL

    #104821
    Gwynnie
    Participant

    I can’t go so… as long as DJXVII isn’t also while I’m in Japan, ie before March 2010, it’l be OK! I can’t see them being that condensed, but hey.

    #104842
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    #104852
    redhead85
    Participant

    The PG version of 300 for those of you with weak dispositions. Mind you, not sure if they exist here on G&T…

    #104858
    hummingbird
    Participant
    #104899
    Jo
    Participant

    >I can?t go so? as long as DJXVII isn?t also while I?m in Japan, ie before March 2010, it?l be OK! I can?t see them being that condensed, but hey.

    I assume you mean March 2011? But yeah, it won’t be that soon after DJXVI, I can assure you! It’ll most likely be at least 12 months between DJXVI and DJXVII.

    #104904
    Carlito
    Participant

    The demand will be high. There will likely have been a brand new series of Red Dwarf aired between Dimension Jump XVI and XVII.

    Just realised how nice it is to write those words.

    #104924
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I submit to you that Dimension Jump should be structured around me. In fact with the addition of a single word at the end it could quite happily become a convention about my webcomic.

    #104943
    Trena
    Participant

    I thought four words had to be added to the end of the event name.

    …off a cliff, Benny.

    #104946
    Ridley
    Participant

    In fact with the addition of a single word at the end it could quite happily become a convention about my webcomic.

    With blackjack! And hookers!

    #104948
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    In fact, forget the blackjack.

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