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  • #218620
    Pete Part Three
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    Strange. I always heard it as “Velocity” too. See here : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTEpiFcn0wI

    Google reckons it’s “Where I’ll Succeed….” , mind.

    They’re both shit, obvs.

    #218640
    Moonlight
    Participant

    That opening synth sounds fucking terrible, especially since I’ve just heard the wonderful high-quality version of the real thing on the OST.

    #218641
    pi r squared
    Participant

    > I was pleased to see in the Howard Goodall DVD feature that he wasn’t responsible for those shit lyrics, and even had a second verse of his own.

    Whilst I have no doubts about the genius of Howard Goodall, I would argue that the “shit” lyrics of Ian Hu’s alternative version are still better than some of the additional verses that Goodall wrote, according to the same DVD feature. Can you honestly say that the Hu lyrics are worse than:

    I’d like to have
    Red blotches on my face
    Make a mess
    Of my nose
    I’d love to peel
    In every awkward place
    Fun, Fun, Fun in the Sun, Sun, Sun

    ‘cos, you know… they’re kind of dreadful lyrics that barely even scan properly,

    #218644
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Well, “where I’ll succeed” rhymes with “time warp speed” and “velocity” doesn’t. Also, “where I’ll succeed at time warp speed” makes sense as a sentence, whereas “velocity at time warp speed” doesn’t.

    Given how completely and utterly shit and point-missing the added lyrics are, though: “velocity” is probably, therefore, correct.

    #218645
    Dave
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    Well, “where I’ll succeed” rhymes with “time warp speed” and “velocity” doesn’t.

    “I’m all alone” doesn’t rhyme with “more or less” either. Nor does “drinking fresh” rhyme with “mango juice”.

    #218646
    Toxteth O-Grady
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    I just meant I was pleased that Howard Goodall never wrote *those* synth-version lyrics.
    I probably should have put a full stop before mentioning his second verse.

    Yes, his second verse lyrics are terrible too, but it seems apparent to me that he wasn’t taking them seriously, and likely knew they would never be recorded.
    RD wasn’t his first theme tune, so he probably knew just one verse would be plenty for the end credits of a sitcom. The additional verse may just have place-holder lyrics that he never bothered doing a second draft of.
    Then again, if you look at the normal 1st verse lyrics written down, they’re not exactly Wordsworth either. I think the singer’s performance brings a lot of credibility to them.
    Maybe if Jenna Russell sang Goodall’s 2nd verse it would have have been half-decent. Who knows?
    All I know is I hate the Hu & Lambert version, and the additional lyrics are only part of that hatred. That ending with the repeated chord, alternating between channels, is just atrocious.

    #218648
    (deleted)
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    I’ll stick up for the unused words – the Goodall lyrics are deliberately naive, childlike and idiosyncratic, as they are based around Lister’s speech to Frankenstein which is also as such. Combining them with music that is a turbo-powered, sophisticated, well-produced classic pop parody is a deliberate clash designed to contrast the dreams versus reality of Lister’s Fiji plan. The watertight slickness of the finished song represents how Lister’s plan sounds in his own head. The unused verses present more of the same.

    If the lyrics – used or unused – were self-consciously witty/clever it wouldn’t work as a piece.

    #218658
    Pete Part Three
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    >Well, “where I’ll succeed” rhymes with “time warp speed” and “velocity” doesn’t.

    “Velocity” would be drawn out…so “Ve-loci-teeee at time-warp speeeed”, but as Dave says the lack of a rhyme isn’t a deal-breaker.

    That said, I’ve flip-flopped. I’m hearing “Where I’ll succeed” now.

    I’m of the opinion that the singer has a minor problem pronouncing v and w as “ultraviolet rays” sounds like “ultrawiolet rays” to me too.

    #218659
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Where I’ll exceed /beat/ time warp speed would be better I think.

    This a comment aimed at the past haha

    #218923
    (deleted)
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    #267947
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Bit of a bump of an old topic here so apologies for that but I wasn’t around at the time this revelation first came out so fuck it I’m going to have my say even if it is 5 years late!

    I was definitely one of the many people in the “holy shit how did I not notice this before” camp when this was discovered, when you think how many times we must have all listened to the theme it’s crazy to think it stayed a secret.

    That said one of the things that I found interesting about all of this is that I distinctly remember that when I started watching Dwarf on more “modern” platforms/equipment I found that the “RED DWAAAARF” noise did stand out to me far more than it used to in the past, even if I didn’t recognise the words in it at that point. I actually wondered when Series X came along whether they had done a remix/remastering of the intro music because that noise definitely stood out far more to me than it ever had in the past. I wonder whether it was something to do with the quality of the audio being presented now – I spent a hell of a long time watching series I – VI on VHS and I wouldn’t be surprised if the quality of the audio on those tapes, combined with the shitty VHS player and portable TV speakers I would have heard it through made it much harder to detect the vocoded audio back in the day?

    Or maybe we really are all just that stupid!

    #267948

    Firstly, how the hell is this 5 years ago. If you’d asked me I’d have said this was discovered in 2019!

    And Jenuall, it’s only because you’ve been made aware of it that you’re hearing it more clearly. It was always there but your brain ignored it in the mix. Better speakers may offer slightly better clarity, but given it’s in there like it’s just a weird sound effect, you wouldn’t be picking out that particular bit of instrumentation whilst listening.

    I’d imagine for the most part, most people aren’t picking out anything more than the guitar and drums and everything else just blending into the background, because it’s mixed that way really.

    #267949
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Well my point was that I did find it more noticeable, even before the reveal that it was a vocal track!

    I distinctly remember thinking “why have they added/accentuated this ‘WAAAH WAAAH’ sound in the intro?” when Series X came out, it definitely sounded different to how I always used to hear it back in the day (even on the DVD’s I don’t recall noticing it as much)

    I still had no clue that it was actually Goodall singing though, I just thought it was a distorted guitar sound or something similar!

    #267950

    Oh I see.

    It’s possible the theme was remastered for Dave era, HD broadcasts, or it’s just a less compressed sound file. Plus again, better quality of equipment you’re watching on etc. But I doubt the mix was any different.

    #267951
    Warbodog
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    I spent a hell of a long time watching series I – VI on VHS and I wouldn’t be surprised if the quality of the audio on those tapes, combined with the shitty VHS player and portable TV speakers I would have heard it through made it much harder to detect the vocoded audio back in the day?

    Some people must miss the individual VHS tics that were part of their personal Red Dwarf experience growing up, like listening to an album without the familiar vinyl crackles.

    I only remember the bit in Back in the Red where Kochansi says Kryten should imagine people on the toilet where the audio on my JVC E-240 video dropped out for a while, but I’ve rarely watched that after VHS anyway. It’s more an issue with the long, sustained notes at the end of some Star Trek intros that never sound right without warbling in and out.

    #267952
    Dave
    Participant

    Some people must miss the individual VHS tics that were part of their personal Red Dwarf experience growing up, like listening to an album without the familiar vinyl crackles.

    My taped-off-the-TV version of Bodyswap had a glitch where it stopped recording for a short while, so cuts straight from Cat and Lister chatting next to the vending machine (before they order) to Rimmer’s “I said touch nothing”, ruining one of the best joke setups/payoffs in the show’s history when their order arrives later.

    #267954
    RunawayTrain
    Participant

    I’ve heard of this, plenty of times now, but still never *heard* it! Might have to take a look at some of the YouTube links on the thread, now it’s been revived, and maybe I will finally hear it …

    #267956
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Some people must miss the individual VHS tics that were part of their personal Red Dwarf experience growing up, like listening to an album without the familiar vinyl crackles.

    My taped-off-the-TV version of Bodyswap had a glitch where it stopped recording for a short while, so cuts straight from Cat and Lister chatting next to the vending machine (before they order) to Rimmer’s “I said touch nothing”, ruining one of the best joke setups/payoffs in the show’s history when their order arrives later.

    For you all know he could have actually ordered a double cheeseburger

    #267959
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    I spent a hell of a long time watching series I – VI on VHS and I wouldn’t be surprised if the quality of the audio on those tapes, combined with the shitty VHS player and portable TV speakers I would have heard it through made it much harder to detect the vocoded audio back in the day?

    Some people must miss the individual VHS tics that were part of their personal Red Dwarf experience growing up, like listening to an album without the familiar vinyl crackles.
    I only remember the bit in Back in the Red where Kochansi says Kryten should imagine people on the toilet where the audio on my JVC E-240 video dropped out for a while, but I’ve rarely watched that after VHS anyway. It’s more an issue with the long, sustained notes at the end of some Star Trek intros that never sound right without warbling in and out.

    If I had room I would love to buy a 4:3 CRT and a VHS machine and watch them on video again.

    To me it just looks better even though by every technical measure it doesn’t.

    #267961
    Dave
    Participant

    If I had room I would love to buy a 4:3 CRT and a VHS machine and watch them on video again.

    To me it just looks better even though by every technical measure it doesn’t.

    I think there is an effect on CRT where the blurriness softens the image and your brain fills in the gaps a bit, as opposed to the stark cleanness and clarity of modern displays.

    It’s something I’ve seen a lot in discussions of 80s/90s video games, where modern ultra-clear reproductions of pixel art don’t quite do justice to how they looked on a CRT.

    CRTie TV

    #267962

    Yes, it’s worth considering that those designs were created for CRT displays. Like early CDs sounding tinny and shit because they were using masters created for vinyl.

    #267963
    Warbodog
    Participant

    I remember the Gens Mega Drive emulator having some kind of smoothing option that I always had turned on so I didn’t have to face Sonic’s harsh reality.

    Also remembered that my initiation into Hitchhiker’s Guide was delayed for years until I saw the books because the school library’s video was so overwatched or mistreated that the opening narration was completely inaudible, so I bailed on it rather than checking if it improved.

    Also like how there are parallel active threads about VR and VHS going on.

    #267964
    Jenuall
    Participant

    Various CRT filters have been created and some are better than others but yeah it’s still hard to get a result that really replicates some of the features that 90s pixel art achieved by exploiting the peculiar aspects of CRT displays.

    Things like the waterfalls in Sonic which achieve a transparent effect by using how CRTs blend adjacent pixels just look weird on “pixel perfect” LCD screens

    #267990
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    If I had room I would love to buy a 4:3 CRT and a VHS machine and watch them on video again.

    To me it just looks better even though by every technical measure it doesn’t

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