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  • #200546
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Ok, so let’s move all suggestions / issues for the new site here so I can gather everything in one place and give you all a bit more information on what I’m adding in and what’s planned for the future.

    Unread comments – Never fear, this is currently my top priority, although it’s proving to be a massive pain in the arse. The old site ran on Drupal and one thing Drupal does as part of core is log every user’s page visit in the database, meaning that information than then be used to show new comments since you last visited an article or forum thread. I only realised in the hours leading up to launch that WordPress does not have this, so the only plugins I’ve found are cookie based and that’s not a very nice solution. It’s very likely I’m going to have to write something myself to solve this, so if you could bear with me a bit that would be great. I’m sorry this was overlooked, because it’s the one big feature everyone was obviously going to miss if it didn’t carry over.

    Category nav – Currently the top of page shows you all the categories so you can easily move between them to find what you’re looking for. There are plans to expand on this significantly, so watch this space. In the meantime, though, I’d be interested to hear any feedback you have about the site’s navigation so this can be taken into consideration.

    There are also various little changes that have been suggested and I’ll be fixing little bits and bobs as we go along and I’ll try to keep you updated in here. Feel free to re-state any suggestions for us to consider. The main two things I changed yesterday were comments based:

    Edit Button – Now you can edit your comment through a nice pop-up. You have this option for 15 minutes after you’ve posted a comment, after which you’ll be locked out.

    Reply functionality – Before if you clicked ‘Reply’ next to a comment it would just take you to the reply box. Now, it will take the content of the comment you’re replying to, wrap it up in a blockquote, and stick it in the reply box to make quoting someone a little easier. It’s something I added on a whim, so feedback is welcome.

    That’s the basics, anyway. On the whole people seem to like the new site, which is gratifying, but the re-launch is an ongoing process so I’m keen to improve on the site in the future.

    #200564
    mick
    Participant

    The list of forum topics looks really barren, bit of a sea of white going on, be nice if that could be broken up a bit in some manner?

    Other than that it looks and feels pretty good, oh and as previously mentioned grab the custom login plugin and get a nice G&T logo there, the WordPress one is gash ;)

    #200569
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    The list of forum topics looks really barren, bit of a sea of white going on, be nice if that could be broken up a bit in some manner?

    Aye, we reduced the white space down a bit yesterday. I think I’m going to remove the ‘Voices’ column to give the title a bit more room so most threads can occupy the same space without the title wrapping. Also, I could probably shave off about 10 posts per page.

    Other than that it looks and feels pretty good, oh and as previously mentioned grab the custom login plugin and get a nice G&T logo there, the WordPress one is gash ;)

    Yes, this is a very good point! I was playing with the idea of using the plugin that puts all that stuff inside the site’s template, so I think I’ll do this.

    #200575
    mick
    Participant

    Incidentally I’m getting a better page load speed, not that the old site was that slow :-)

    Quite a few issues with it viewing on Android but that goes for about 80% of the internet anyway lol

    #200583
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Incidentally I’m getting a better page load speed, not that the old site was that slow :-)

    Hurrah! That’ll be down to WordPress generally being a lot leaner than Drupal.

    Quite a few issues with it viewing on Android but that goes for about 80% of the internet anyway lol

    Yeah, I’ve noticed this. It seems entirely random as to whether it shows headers in the right font, or scales up the font size.

    #200586
    mick
    Participant

    In Downloads>Rarities and Misc.>Misc. The links to old OD articles all 404.

    #200587
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Gah, that’s down to cuntery. I’ll unlink all that.

    #200588
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Actually, no, that’s my fault.

    #200589
    mick
    Participant

    Bite Back link in the description for the Rob & Doug Bite Back AVI goes to an empty BBC page.

    Link to TV Zone in Print Archive 404s.

    Behind the Scenes link under The Movie Yea No… 404s.

    EDIT: clicking your avatar also 404s for me.

    Yours sincearly, Mick the QA cunt.

    #200590
    mick
    Participant

    Actually RE: that last edit, clicking on any of the G&T Staff’s avatars 404s.

    #200592
    mick
    Participant

    Wish I could just PM you all this shit lol but clicking your avatar…. ^^^

    Incidentally, also highly recommend the SEO Ultimate plugin, has a 404 monitor ;-)

    There seems to be a time limit on editing my previous post :-/

    #200594
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Aye, edit time limits are set at the moment. 15 minutes, I believe. Don’t think there’s any PM function either, but keep posting in here, that works for me!

    #200598
    mick
    Participant

    Ok, just don’t want people to think I’m a massive nitpicking cunt with this string of posts ;-)

    #200632
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    SOME of these things are now fixed.

    More importantly, you should all have new comment notifications for posts only (not the Forum just yet) tomorrow. Just testing it out for a bit.

    #200633
    Tyler Perry
    Participant

    Search for “madea” gives no results.

    #200634
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    More importantly, you should all have new comment notifications for posts only (not the Forum just yet) tomorrow. Just testing it out for a bit.

    Erm, things have progressed a bit and this now includes the forum. And I’ve made it live. Bear in mind it might still have kinks in it, but let me know how you find it.

    It will stop classing a comment as new after it’s a month old (this is mainly so I can keep the database nice and clear), but that also means that all replies and comments that are less than a month old will be showing as ‘new’, but I’m afraid that’s unavoidable.

    #200635
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    And yes, I realise giving the new site EXACTLY THE SAME important functionality as the old one isn’t technically progress, but fuck you.

    #200636
    HelloMabel
    Participant

    > I’d be interested to hear any feedback you have about the site’s navigation so this can be taken into consideration.

    Something that the old forum had that would be nice here: “Go to bottom of thread.” Even if it’s just as a stopgap measure until you can get the “view unread posts” thing working.

    Also, “Return to top of thread” after the newest post. Someone suggested this for the old site; maybe it can finally happen on this one.

    The site looks good and generally works really well, though. I’m impressed that the down time was so short.

    #200639
    Somebody
    Participant

    Reply functionality – Before if you clicked ‘Reply’ next to a comment it would just take you to the reply box. Now, it will take the content of the comment you’re replying to, wrap it up in a blockquote, and stick it in the reply box to make quoting someone a little easier. It’s something I added on a whim, so feedback is welcome.

    Useful, but less so since there isn’t an equivalent on the forum! [which is, y’know, standard for fora since UBB back in the 1990s…]

    #200684
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Can I just state for the record how much I hate “fora” as a plural for “forum”?

    #200686

    I hate dandy as the plural of dandelion.

    #200687
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Useful, but less so since there isn’t an equivalent on the forum! [which is, y’know, standard for fora since UBB back in the 1990s…]

    One step at a time.

    #200688
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I’d hate to give Somebody a birthday present, only to be told how I should have picked something better.

    #200691
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    To explain the apparent lack of complexity on the forums, I’m using bbPress which is fairly new (in it’s current state as a proper Plugin, anyway) so do bear with me if it doesn’t quite live up to your standards. The reply functionality will pop up today, along with ‘Jump to Top’ and ‘Jump to Bottom’ links, just as soon as I can be bothered to find the right templates.

    I know Mick has mentioned the site looks a bit bobbins on Android, but is anyone having any serious difficulties loading the site on their mobile? Si’s having no end of trouble on his BlackBerry so I’d be interested if anyone else is having troubles.

    #200692
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Looks fine on Safari and Chrome on iOS.

    #200694
    si
    Participant

    > Si’s having no end of trouble on his BlackBerry

    And Cappsy’s being an absolute *darling* about it all. Emails and allsorts. Though those photos are maybe a bit much, tbh.

    #200695
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Though those photos are maybe a bit much, tbh.

    You love it.

    #200696
    mick
    Participant

    If they’re the same ones you’ve sent me he’s probably wanked himself dry.

    #200698
    si
    Participant

    …and I’m spent.

    #200712
    Sarah
    Participant

    If you just remove that pixel and insert a space there, it will all be perfect.

    PS I feel I’ve been missing out on the photo front.

    #200718
    mick
    Participant

    Just wanted to say to anyone browsing on android grab Dolphin browser (it’s excellent by the way) and set User Agent to iPhone or iPad option if you’re on a tab, the site will display fine.

    #200731
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    It’s also fairly good on Chrome for Android.

    #200736
    HelloMabel
    Participant

    Thank you for “jump to bottom/top” and “unread comments.” Awesome.

    #200737
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    You’re very welcome, Mabel!

    #200743
    si
    Participant

    Here’s a thing that always bothered* me about the old site – why don’t links open in new windows/tabs? I know I only need to right-click and select the option myself, but I do sometimes forget, and I’m also an awkward twat.
    Seriously, is that something you’d be able to change? It’s just that if I’m reading a G&T piece, and there’s a link halfway down the page, it’d be nice to just click on it and have it open while I finish reading G&T.

    *’bothered’ isn’t the right word. It’s too strong a word. Really, it is. I don’t give that much of a shit, to be honest, but…y’know. Awkward…

    #200744
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Here’s a thing that always bothered* me about the old site – why don’t links open in new windows/tabs? I know I only need to right-click and select the option myself, but I do sometimes forget, and I’m also an awkward twat.
    Seriously, is that something you’d be able to change? It’s just that if I’m reading a G&T piece, and there’s a link halfway down the page, it’d be nice to just click on it and have it open while I finish reading G&T.

    The problem with making all links open in a new window is that it removes the choice from the user as there will be no way to open that link in the current window. It does mean an extra step if you prefer new windows, but the way we do it now is definitely the preferable method.

    #200747
    si
    Participant

    Furry muff.

    Just throwing problems at you for the sake of it. ;)

    #200749
    si
    Participant

    I’ve no idea how I posted that post above. I was on my phone, and I couldn’t click on ‘submit’. Oh well, can’t grumble. :)

    #200751
    Jimboid
    Participant

    A furry muff is never a problem, accident or not.

    #200753
    Nick R
    Participant

    why don’t links open in new windows/tabs? I know I only need to right-click and select the option myself

    You “only” need to right click and select the option? No, that’s far too much work – what you want is a middle-click or a ctrl-click!

    #200762
    mick
    Participant

    > A furry muff is never a problem, accident or not.

    I prefer the classic well kept triangle myself.

    #200765
    Ridley
    Participant

    Is it just me seeing Si’s name to the right of his avatar?

    #200767
    mick
    Participant

    It’s a very subtle political statement.

    #200768
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Here’s a thing that always bothered* me about the old site – why don’t links open in new windows/tabs?

    I would have thought that’s because NO WEBSITE SHOULD EVER DO THAT, EVER, EVER, EVER, EVER.

    #200769
    si
    Participant

    Is it just me seeing Si’s name to the right of his avatar?

    I think it’s possibly because my name’s so short.

    #200770
    Sarah
    Participant

    It’s in the middle!

    #200772
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    What happen to who is on line?

    #200773
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    This is the worst reenactment of “Who’s on first?” I’ve ever read.

    Continue.

    #200776
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Would be great to have “Latest Forum Comments” on the Home page.

    #200779
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Would be great to have “Latest Forum Comments” on the Home page.

    I’m not sure where I’d put it, really. The sidebar’s too full as it is.

    #200783
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Put it where all those rubbish articles and news posts are at the moment. Nobody’s reading those anyway.

    #200785
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    Why do my links not ome out?

    #200790
    pfm
    Participant

    Because your name’s not Holly?

    #200795
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Either that or you don’t post them properly. One of the two.

    #200803
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    No one can post links, pecospete. The site has never supported it.

    #200823
    Ridley
    Participant

    >Why do my links not ome out?

    Too old and too crypto-fascist.

    #200824
    pfm
    Participant

    > No one can post links, pecospete. The site has never supported it.



    #200825
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    Photobucket Pictures, Images and Photos

    Lets see if this works?

    That works

    #200838
    Sarah
    Participant

    I’m not liking this “Fuck Off Sarah” everytime I go into the account page (top right corner), Smeg Off Sarah would be preferable.

    #200842
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Hah, yeah, I’ve been meaning to remove that. I only did it so I could tell Somebody to fuck off.

    #200845
    Pecospete666
    Participant

    I like ,it it gives me that warm fuzzy feeling that I’m wanted here.

    #200848
    Sarah
    Participant

    Now it just says ‘Sarah’, can I have the “Fuck Off” readded, it’s far too insiped now.

    #200898
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    “SARAAAAAAAH!!!!”

    #200943
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Recent forum replies now added to the sidebar, you fuckers.

    #200944
    mick
    Participant

    *cry-wanks*

    #200946
    pfm
    Participant

    Really, really impressed by the new site.

    #200947
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    If you were *really* impressed, pm, you’d be cry-wanking along with Mick.

    #200950
    pfm
    Participant

    Yeah but you already know that’s a given with me. ;)

    #200951
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Good point, well made.

    #200956
    mick
    Participant

    We’re mutually cry-wanking.

    #200957
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Quantumly entangled cry-wanking.

    #200958
    mick
    Participant

    Was that an offer?

    #200961
    si
    Participant

    Recent forum replies now added to the sidebar, you fuckers.

    Great stuff.

    Meanwhile, I wonder what Robert Llewellyn’s up to…WAIT A MINUTE?! WHERE HAVE THE BOBBYLLEW LINKS GONE?!

    #200962
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Ganymede and Titan is no longer interested in the audience Robert Llewellyn used to provide.

    #200963
    Alex
    Participant

    The TOS link is going to redwarf.co.uk rather than reddwarf.co.uk.

    #200967
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Good spot, ta!

    #200968
    Alex
    Participant

    Oh, same goes for the forum link it seems.

    #200969
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    SHIT.

    #200971
    Ridley
    Participant

    What about the mints?

    #200972
    Carlito
    Participant

    The thing is, I’ve had so much coffee I don’t think I can manage any mints until tomorrow.

    #200975
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    HARD FUCKIN’.

    #200979
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    In case you’re wondering, a red comment counts in the Recent Comments or Recent Replies boxes indicates that thread contains unread comments.

    #201022
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    And very nice it is too. Thappsy.

    #201023
    Nick R
    Participant

    It’s a shame that the reviews can now only be browsed through category view, which means that to get to old stuff you have to scroll through several very long pages. The index page that was there before was much easier to navigate, especially for the DVD reviews which had the format: “Series V: Seb’s review | John’s review”.

    I realise the advantage that things based on Categories and dynamic WordPress Posts are automatically updated, whereas static WordPress Pages have to be manually updated. But the Downloads section is still laid out using static pages, and it’s much easier to navigate than category view, so could the same be done for reviews?

    A reviews index page would also allow you to restore the classic phrase: “Warning: Contains Crime Traveller”. :-P

    Tables don’t seem to work well in the current version of the site, in either Firefox or Chrome. For example, I see this, not sure if anyone else does. Some tables don’t look good because they don’t have internal cell borders.

    While browsing round some archive.org versions of the site for my post in the birthday comments thread, I found a page with a table that looks fine in its archived version, but in its current version the image doesn’t load, and the table is entirely gone and screws up the layout of the sidebar and comments form.

    #201024
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    It’s a shame that the reviews can now only be browsed through category view, which means that to get to old stuff you have to scroll through several very long pages. The index page that was there before was much easier to navigate, especially for the DVD reviews which had the format: “Series V: Seb’s review | John’s review”.

    GOOD POINT. We had a discussion about how we’d move that over, but it was kind of forgotten about. I’ve remembered it, now, though, so it’ll turn up soon.

    Tables don’t seem to work well in the current version of the site, in either Firefox or Chrome. For example, I see this, not sure if anyone else does. Some tables don’t look good because they don’t have internal cell borders.

    While browsing round some archive.org versions of the site for my post in the birthday comments thread, I found a page with a table that looks fine in its archived version, but in its current version the image doesn’t load, and the table is entirely gone and screws up the layout of the sidebar and comments form.

    Yeah, the table styles have had no attention since the relaunch, those static pages were just moved across as is and I’ve been intending to fix them after I got some of the more technical aspects out of the way. Thanks for bringing that fucked up page to my attention, too, I shall FIX.

    There’s bound to be some archive stuff that’s a bit knackered (missing images, broken links, iffy layouts) so everyone let me know if you find one!

    #201031
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Also, I’ve never much liked the ‘Older Posts’ / ‘Newer Posts’ way to navigating archives, so I’ll probably stick in numbered pagination there at some point.

    #201032
    mick
    Participant

    I’m now becoming massively depressed about how well you’re update is looking, as my new site launch is 6 months behind schedule :(

    #201033
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    To be fair, this relaunch was about 2 years behind schedule.

    I take it you’ve got shit loads of content to migrate? That’s the fucker. Luckily, the majority of this design was sorted by Seb months and months ago so I didn’t have all that to worry about.

    #201034
    si
    Participant

    *Mick’s and Cappsy’s site update tech type speak whizzes over head*

    Also, I posted that about wondering what Robert Llewellyn was up to, then I discover this morning that at 10:08 last night,he updated his MITRM AudioBook. Coincidence?!

    #201038
    mick
    Participant

    > I take it you’ve got shit loads of content to migrate?

    Yea, to say the least, over 400 games reviews that all need sorting into appropriate categories and reformatting from standard old HTML pages.

    You’re lucky in that G&T has a team, SS:UK’s team is me haha

    #201039
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    To be fair, 80% of our team did absolutely fuck all for this relaunch.

    #201040
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Yea, to say the least, over 400 games reviews that all need sorting into appropriate categories and reformatting from standard old HTML pages.

    Holy fuck, so you have to manually copy everything? God speed and bless you, son.

    #201043
    mick
    Participant

    Yep, and I also have to take new higher-res screenshots for every single title :(

    #201044
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Just stretch them, no-one’ll notice.

    #201045
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    On the plus side it’s going to look sexy as hell when you’re finished.

    #201046
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    Mick: Yep, and I also have to take new higher-res screenshots for every single title :(

    Seb: Just stretch them, no-one’ll notice.

    Seriously, just do that, and then just replace them with newer ones when you get time. :)

    It’s the kind of thing I would love to help out on. Even if it’s just batch processing.

    #201050
    mick
    Participant

    Quadruple re-post! impressive.

    #201060
    mick
    Participant

    I’m sure you will all be as relieved as I am to learn that the new look G&T is still functional under Amiga Workbench 3.1;

    #201061
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    That is exactly 7 types of amazing.

    #201062
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I was actually going to check that myself tonight.

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