Red Dwarf Remastered Credits

[Jawscvmcdia]

Why do they occasionally credit Robert Llewellyn as ‘Rob Llewellyn’ in some of the remastered episode credits? I’ve never seen them do that outside of the remastered and it just looks careless.

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[cwickham]

It’s because the Remastered series is shit.

[bloodteller]

possibly because whatever program they were using to make the credits only allowed for one line of text per name? i dunno

[Moonlight]

Remastered looking sloppy and careless?

Surely you jest.

[Ben Saunders]

Why did they combine six letters into three though?

[Moonlight]

Rob Llewellyn was _years_ ago. Right now we’re much more concerned with the quite hideous thing that has happened to Rebecca Blackstone.

[Ben Saunders]

Reb Blackstone

[Moonlight]

Chr Bar as Rim

[flanl3]

What do you mean, you Lis-ed him, Cra Cra Cha?

[Hamish]

While we are at it, who is this Grant Naylor fellow, and why has he never appeared on any of the DVDs?

[bloodteller]

Norm Love

[Ben Saunders]

(played by Rob Llewellyn)

[Hamish]

DJ Jules

[GlenTokyo]

Having a watch of some series III remastered episodes. Jesus Christ. I honestly don’t think I’ve watched remastered since what I remember being an inflated price was paid at a local science fiction shop for then on VHS. There is some truly awful shit I’d completely forgotten and that didn’t make it into the High and Low either I don’t think. How about the abysmal attempt at a cloaking Starbug landing that looked like someone had cut out Starbug from a publicity shot in MS Paint and animated it all in PowerPoint. The aliasing alone should have got it cut, nevermind the fact that it’s a 2D image in a moving shot so none of the angles change.

Then there’s the cockpit windows in Marooned. I nearly puked. Looks like Starbug is at sea in a force 5 wind. It’s quite a feat to make something look worse than a mistake made in 1989.

Also Robert is credited as such in some episodes so fuck knows. It’s all incredibly slapdash.

Interesting though because I’d say I could do a lot of stuff better in one afternoon (excluding rendering) in after effects and premiere, so now would be a good time maybe to do it more authentically. Blu-ray release with all 3 series and a minor upres and grade, get rid of the film effect, but key stuff in windows and such, try and find the model shots and scan them in a higher resolution. Would be worth having that I imagine if they had the budget for it.

[Moonlight]

Then there’s the cockpit windows in Marooned. I nearly puked. Looks like Starbug is at sea in a force 5 wind. It’s quite a feat to make something look worse than a mistake made in 1989.

Honestly, I never originally noticed the bad comping in Marooned back in the day. The neutral flat-color background doesn’t bring attention to itself. HOWEVER, trying to put a background in there absolutely brings attention to it. In fact it might have been Remastered that caused me to notice the iffiness of the original in the first place.

[Moonlight]

…I just opened my DVD rip of the remastered episode, and…

Oh my god. That…that literally looks like something I’d have tried to make in CompositeLab Pro in 2009 and given up on when it came out shit. It doesn’t just look bad, it looks like the VFX artist gave up on it after five minutes. It doesn’t remotely match the camera movement, and the background just fucking vanishes in the middle of the shot.

The skutter in The End is a masterpiece compared to this. My God.

[Moonlight]

Notice the flickering hole in the control panel.

[GlenTokyo]

What’s with the shutters? Starbug has shutters. They’re bronze and clearly visible on the outside of the windows, they close vertically.

The remastered one has a horizontal wiping shutter which is actually just black fill which makes the blue shimmering edges on Craig, Chris and the cockpit stand out even more than the grey that was there in the first place.

Also the order of operations in that Starbug. Start with the shutters open and fire her up, then close the shutters for the launch sequence, then open them seconds before you need to see where you’re going.

It’s a mess. There’s all sorts of stuff, basic commonsense stuff that’s just wrong. Timeslides, the gout of flame that comes out of the screen looks decent but is in the background, yet it covers foreground objects so it looks like it’s coming out at an angle that would miss Lister anyway. Another Timeslides audio one is the Blaize Falconburger bit has had its music replaced, but they’ve replaced it with a 2 second sting type thing, and just repeated it over and over. It’s terrible.

[Pete Part Three]

Whenever I think of Remastered, I’m reminded of Men Behaving Badly, for some reason.

The scene where Tony sneaks into Deborah’s bedroom, rifles through her drawers, reads her diary, spills a milkshake over her bedsheets, accidentally bleaches said bedsheets at the dry-cleaners, then stages a robbery to explain it all.

Or to put it another way; they started fiddling around with old episodes they shouldn’t have touched, got carried away and didn’t know when to stop, made a complete fuck-up of it all…and then slapped a £12.99 price sticker on each video.

[Ridley]

But what does Japan think?

[Pete Part Three]

This:

日本は大騒ぎしない

[Pete Part Three]

Well, annoyingly the forum doesn’t allow me to post Japanese characters into here.

Just assume I posted something hilarious in Japanese. It’s quicker.

[Ben Saunders]

I noticed the shit CSO from a very young age, and those moments when the picture quality changes for no discernable reason – different cameras, probably. It’s distracting, but nowhere near as distracting as Tony to cover it all up with poorly done 1997 CGI.

[Ben Saunders]

Actually it’s probably the image dropping one or two generations because they did all the effects in post by that point didn’t they?

[bloodteller]

>But what does Japan think?

read a japanese Red Dwarf site once, i don’t think i saw anyone complaining about Remastered. there was a rather odd section where they claimed Captain Hollister has hemorrhoids though, dunno what that was about.

[Ben Saunders]

He does have them though, what else would the glove be for?

[Plastic Percy]

Fingering himself and/or others.

[Jawscvmcdia]

I don’t even understand why they attempted a moving CSO effect with such an unsteady camera in 1989, especially considering the technology limitations at the time. Surely it would have been easier to just paint the windscreen black, or better yet have a landscaped painting of the Starbug cockpit area?

[bloodteller]

just noticed at one point the CSO in Marooned Remastered is so shit that part of Lister’s head becomes see-through.

it’s a wonder why they didn’t just leave it as it was in the original episode- it wasn’t too good in the original either but it didn’t really stick out as much.

[Dave]

We already had a whole thread on the subject.

Why did the CSO not work on this episode?

[GlenTokyo]

There’s a few moments in that episode that make me think handheld was either unplanned or they didn’t have enough time to get stuff to patch the sets up. You can see through the roof of Starbug, the dodgy bluescreen, in the eating curry scene you can almost see the audience seating, and there’s the bit at the end where they composited some foreground tat in to cover the studio floor.

[MANI506]

I spotted Lister walking off the edge of the set when he sits down with his curry and you can see a monitor when he breaks the guitar in half. This is more to do with how much I watched every frame in worrying detail as a sbool boy.

[Moonlight]

and there’s the bit at the end where they composited some foreground tat in to cover the studio floor.

screencap plz

[GlenTokyo]

Let’s hope that works. Otherwise

https://i.imgur.com/yRAsM5Ir.jpg

[Jawscvmcdia]

Which one looks better?

[Pete Part Three]

Which one do I have to make eye-contact with in the morning?

[GlenTokyo]

Can I say neither. One looks like Norman Lovett with a dodgy video effect over the top, one looks like Bobby Charlton covered in foundation.

[bloodteller]

one of the worst effects in Remastered is arguably the incredibly slow moving and small fireball in Me2 thats meant to be the radiation leak. it just looks a bit underwhelming and shit really

[Ben Saunders]

Well it is a leak, not a flood. Who are we to say what it would look like.

[bloodteller]

i dunno but surely massive radiation leaks on a ship 5 miles long aren’t contained entirely within one shit 90s CGI fireball?

at least in the original episode you got the impression the whooshy wind stuff was all over the ship

[bloodteller]

bloody awful

i’d just like to also point out this especially awful shot in Remastered. i mean what the fuck’s going on there? why didn’t the CGI man just put 2 red dwarfs in the same shot instead of putting one on with some really crap bluescreen? it’s not even the same size as the other one and it looks like they’re about to crash into each other.

[GlenTokyo]

Yeah that is awful. Don’t know what Chris Veale was working with back then but I found myself thinking to myself many times why he didn’t render out separate shots because even a lot of the flybys are a blue screen Dwarf comped in to a starfield.

That shot though, it doesn’t even make sense, they’d have hit each other I think, and the foreground one isn’t big enough.

I quite liked the disappearing ship from Parallel Universe, but that was one of very few good shots, that and the Polymorph opening are the ones that show what could have been done with more time and money but so many are poor.

[bloodteller]

the shots of the ship used in VIII are sort of how i imagine Remastered would’ve looked if it weren’t all so careless- there’s some shots in Krytie TV that almost trick me into thinking there’s a genuine model there

e.g. this: https://imgur.com/a/KED2g

[Moonlight]

The lighting still gives it away as obvious CG, although simply dulling the red and having some light reflection in the surface elevates it far above Remastered’s oversaturated, completely matte textures.

[International Debris]

Yeah, the VIII one is considerably better than the remastered one. Still shit, of course, but even in my early teens I noticed the difference.

When I first saw the original Parallel Universe I was disappointed the ship disappearing didn’t leave that slightly displaced starfield present in the remastered version.

[Dax101]

There were limitations to what they could do with the CGI and its kinda obvious at times.

The way the 2 red dwarfs fly around each other in parallel universe (Remastered) is very inconsistent.

I have always wondered about how they were gonna remaster Demons and Angels because there were obviously things they couldn’t do with the CGI like crashing the ships and whatever so how were they gonna pull off Red Dwarf being destroyed? were they gonna cheat around it like they did the starbug crash in Bodyswap?

[GlenTokyo]

Probably a really fucking awful 2D picture of the new Dwarf cut up and flying away with a soft yellow particle effect behind it.

[International Debris]

I was looking forward to Back to Reality being remastered, with Timothy Spall being overdubbed by somebody with a ‘more acceptable accent’.

[bloodteller]

if i recall correctly, the original intent for Remastered was to use the CGI solely on stuff like Blue Midget, and use an actual model they’d built for shots of the Red Dwarf ship- but the new model ended up being so big that they couldn’t actually shoot anything with it so they ended up having to hurriedly make all of the effects in CGI.

that’d certainly explain why it looks so horrendous

[Ben Paddon]

When I heard that story a decade ago my initial response was, “Ahaha, what a silly mistake to make.” Now I hear it and think, “Ahaha, what a perfect example of just how poorly-planned the Remastered project was.”

[GlenTokyo]

What gets me about that model though is in Re-Dwarf Doug explains it all and says that as a piece of model making it was lightyears ahead of the OG one, I just don’t see how. It’s better than the rebuild one, which didn’t have the weathered look (due to potentially only being built to get blown to bits/smaller budget and timeframe) but even in the film concept shot and the unused end crawl on Bodysnatcher, I just don’t see it. Scale wise it looks small, like the empire state building laying down or something, not 5 miles long.

I don’t really have a hatred for the new model in its original form, prefer the OG one, but even if they’d filmed a model it still would have been worse.

The model we have now though is even worse that that imo, too short, cone too long. I’d honestly take a CG Dwarf now, some hybrid.

The big section too has horrendous light leakage that really makes it look like some plastic sheets over a strip light.

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