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  • #1889
    Tonguetied
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    Now come series 7 we not only had a larger Bug but also it’s thruster capability/velocity was immeasurably increased. Now this could have all been left to changes to interior changes which wouldn’t be noticeable on the outside; However Douglas and chris veale had other ideas – ”Wouldn’t it be cool if we could show the changes on the outside, have Starbugs support legs horizontal, it would be cool and sleek and the fans will love it!” Well chris sadly not, just like we despised the Blue Midget dance( which was sadly a changed design..cough Andrew). What I’m saying is, I feel that the Bug look considerably worse off than better, it looked like something more out of another Sci Fi show. The old look should have been retained, and I know that in Back to Reality Starbug had a one off, change of angle of support legs, under water, so no one is going to get me there saying ”But Tonguetied it wasn’t a big mistake on Doug or Veales part because it was in a series 5 episode. Now what are your own humble views on this matter. Ian included.

    #124662
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I like the angled legs, actually. It makes it look more like some kind of flying insect.

    #124665
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    It was fuck all to do with Chris Veale. At DJ last year, I was speaking to Alan ‘Rocky’ Marshall about it, and he said it was a decision made at the model-making stage to make it more insect-like. The idea was that they’d be vertical when Starbug was at rest, and horizontal on take-off.

    #124666
    Andrew
    Participant

    But Tonguetied it wasn?t a big mistake on Doug or Veale’s part because it was in a Series V episode. And then done to the VII models, along with the viewscreen alternations. Chris just copied the model – as the DVDs raw FX reel (not to mentions hots from the eps themselves) show.

    #124667
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    You spoke to Rocky Ian, that is quite a pleasure indeed. Regardless the more insect like just didn’t pull it for me. I mentioned the episode in series 5 Andrew.

    #124668
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    But Tonguetied it wasn?t a big mistake on Doug or Veale?s part because it was in a Series V episode. And then done to the VII models, along with the viewscreen alternations. Chris just copied the model – as the DVDs raw FX reel (not to mentions hots from the eps themselves) show.

    Never mind all this, when are you going to update the Blue Midget page?

    #124669
    Andrew
    Participant

    > I mentioned the episode in series 5 Andrew.

    Really? That might explain why I was able to copy the wording exactly…

    #124670
    Dave
    Participant
    #124674
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    Your copy and paste skills are so honed Andrew, what other skills do you possess? Perhaps you could share your incredible insight, tell us how you perfected your impeccable wit. So when are you updating blue midget, you still refuse to answer,why is this so? It’s your duty as a Official Siter to answer questions posed to you is it not sir? You know I’ll keep asking until the cows come home, so why not just settle it now my feathered friend?

    #124675
    Dave
    Participant

    When here, Andrew owes us nothing, he is duty free.

    #124676
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    That’s what he thinks.

    #124678
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Andrew doesn’t have to answer the question if he doesn’t want to. The fact that he DOES answer pretty much EVERY question on here, apart from one from you, might give you some pause for thought as to how to behave around here.

    Now drop it.

    #124679
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Yeah. Leave him alone, you big bully.

    #124681
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    I asked him a question which I’m entitled to and I will continue to do so in my efforts to fight for justice. How d’em apples?

    #124680
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    Go climb a tree. He should still reply.

    #124682
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    And he’s perfectly entitled to ignore you.

    If a stopped clock is right twice a day, how often is a perfectly functioning clock right?

    #124683
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    When are you going to answer my question, Tongue Tied?

    #124684
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    God damn it, you rude bastard! Answer me!

    #124685
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    The nerve of some people…

    #124686
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    Oh ha ha.

    #124687
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    Witty to the bitter end my liege.

    #124688
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    If you’re going to start being sarky to perfectly good people for no reason, you can piss off.

    #124689
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    Indeed, here here. Are you the back up?

    #124690
    Tonguetied
    Participant

    And hey, ha, as if he wasn’t being sarky to me but yeah he can get off with it. Clever, very clever. Rethink my friend.

    #124696
    mick
    Participant

    What. The. Fuck.

    #124699
    John Hoare
    Participant

    Right, Tonguetied, this is your first warning – for being unable to participate in the site constructively, and for not listening to site admin. Any more and there will be a second warning. Any more after that, and you’ll be banned.

    #124700
    Phil
    Participant

    Any more after THAT, and you’ll get a third warning.

    #124701
    Danny Stephenson
    Keymaster

    > Any more after THAT, and you?ll get a third warning.

    “You are really not helping…”

    #124706
    mick
    Participant

    Black card.

    #124709
    Tanya Jones
    Participant

    I hate you, Phil.

    #124714
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    Wow, that was like Jeremy Kyle or something.

    #124715
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    Although no-one mentioned the words ‘on NATIONAL television”, or was told to tuck their shirt in and take their hat off and act like a real man.

    Which is a shame really.

    #124791
    Dave
    Participant

    >Although no-one mentioned the words ?on NATIONAL television?, or was told to tuck their shirt in and take their hat off and act like a real man

    Or headbutted their wife’s lover.

    I presume

    #124796

    > Or headbutted their wife?s lover.

    Speak for yourself

    #232557
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    Would I be correct in saying that the Blue Midget entry on TOS is still awaiting an update, eleven years later?

    I don’t recall seeing any entries before the current one: http://www.reddwarf.co.uk/database/index.cfm

    If so, that’s brilliant.

    #232562
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Given that God is infinite, and that the universe is also infinite, will the Blue Midget page ever be updated?

    #232573
    Katydid
    Participant

    Frankly I just want to see any reference to tap-dancing removed.

    #232584
    Paul Muller
    Participant

    I’m building a 3D model of Blue Midget at the moment and I’ll be fucked if I’m putting arms on the thing. As far as I’m concerned it never happened.

    #232585
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    The arms were the moment Red Dwarf jumped 12 megalodons, 4 great whites and a couple of hammerheads. Even though there’s an argument that arms are more useful than legs in a mining vehicle, where are they coming from? At least the legs were designed in and had a place. Also the arms and the way they move seems to imply that Blue Midget either has a character/soul/AI or would be best operated like a Jaeger from Pacific Rim. It needed a bit of time off to reflect on its mistakes.

    If we’d have had a series IX in 2000 I bet they’d have turned Starbug into KITT and given it a two parter.

    #232587
    Katydid
    Participant

    Why the fuck would a shuttlecraft have legs? It’s all stupid.

    #232593
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    So it can do a little dance.

    #232595
    bloodteller
    Participant

    for the lulz

    #232597

    For that silly drunk walking gag in Thanks for the Memory is the real answer right?

    But I think the arms and legs thing make it more of a mining too than just a shuttle craft.

    #232599
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Pneumatic legs would be useful for getting out of mud/some crash type situation, especially if they were detachable. Imagine if Terrorform, Starbug could just fucking jump out of the gooey mindlake or whatever.

    Blue Midget running around like a rabbit and stumbling about as if it’s drunk, however, is a bit silly.

    It could also be used as a sort of lunar rover as well as the craft to actually get you to the moon, but then didn’t the original BM have caterpillar tracks which could be used in the exact same way?

    #232600

    I was thinking more like, taking it down into a deep excavated cave. Legs would offer more mobility and stability and also allow you to reach higher up. It’s like an enclosed working platform, with arms to do the work in low / no oxygen atmosphere.

    #232604
    bloodteller
    Participant

    Blue Midget is essentially a cool mech suit, then? neat

    #232605

    It’s like a bigger version of that contraption Ripley climbs into in Aliens. Only blue, and with less guns

    #232607
    Dave
    Participant

    Less guns than something with no guns?

    #232608

    It has un-guns. They suck bullets out of people. Like sawn-off-sshotguns.

    #232610
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >Blue Midget is essentially a cool mech suit, then? neat
    Now you mention it, Blue Midget’s redesign looks a bit like that stop-motion robot from Robocop
    http://robocoparchive.com/info/ed209-22.jpg

    #232611
    Dave
    Participant

    ‘that stop-motion robot’! It’s ED-209, call it by its name!

    Or ED-209 2X4B 523P to give it its full name.

    #232617
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    I always thought the whisk attachment on the front of the new Midget was a drill of some description, so legs would let it get a good angle on something like an anglepoise I suppose, but it could only start drilling because that whisk is probably about 8ft long if you scale it to a person, so it’d get the hole going and then the Red Dwarf equivalent of Thunderbird 2 would come down and drop the Mole.

    I feel like maybe you can explain away giving something that flies another way of getting around if it saves on fuel and fuel is a thing in the universe, the OG Blue Midget looked like it had a big diesel engine too for the tracks, some kind of future synthetic diesel is probably cheaper than whatever the rockets use or cheaper to get into the engines than something like Hydrogen which is abundant but hard to gather. The legs must be a bit of a drain on power though.

    #232665
    Taiwan Tony
    Participant

    If Chris Barrie wore the Blue Midget mech suit, he’d be Pacific Rimmer.
    Thanks very much I’m here all week.

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