Star Trek: Picard

[Ben Kirkham]

I loved the first episode! So far, everything I hoped it would be. It’s gorgeous, nostalgic yet very fresh and new. And Stewart is as stunning as ever.

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[Ridley]

THE TREK TO SPACE

Seven: This is for Hugh.

Brydon: Oh. Wow. Gosh. I-I-I–

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

Star Trek seems to have as much trouble killing characters off as Moffat did in Doctor Who.

Spock dies, is resurrected in the next film, and then dies off screen 34 years later.

Shatner’s Kirk dies twice in the same film (yeah for all intents and purposes, getting pulled into the Nexus after a hole is ripped in the side of your ship is death)

Pine’s Kirk died and was resurrected in the same film.

Data died 20 years ago, is resurrected in a Matrix and is then killed again.

Picard dies, and is resurrected in the same episode.

Seven of Nine died and Janeway travels back in time to change the past to ensure she doesn’t.

Harry Kim died and then they pulled another version of him from a different timeline.

There’s probably others dotted around the series but those are the main ones I can think of.

[JamesTC]

You could throw loads of deaths and resurrections in. The whole crew of the Enterprise D and Voyager in Cause and Effect and Timeless respectively. Add Year of Hell and Yesterday’s Enterprise too. Plus the episode Twilight and E Squared for the NX-01 crew.

Most of the deaths and resurrections are part of particular plots rather than a character being killed off and then coming back much later so I would say they don’t really count. When it is set up by the plot in a purposeful way then it is fine by me. Tasha Yar and Daniels come to mind as the exceptions although Tasha Yar was only resurrected as part of a specific plot.

[pfm]

I did have my little boomer fan moment of sheer ecstasy seeing Riker turn up commanding a starship, to be honest — before I realised I hated the bridge design, and something about the way it was shot/visual fidelity made it look like a fan film

Apparently, as some people have pointed out, it was shot on the Discovery bridge (with a few things moved around), while Frakes was directing a season 3 episode, which is why it looks a little odd.

Tbh I think they really blew the finale. The fact it made me not even care about Picard dying, or, indeed, the Harry/Dumbledore-esque scene between him and Data, when both of those moments should have been huge, just goes to show how poorly executed and thought out it all was.

Way too many characters, way too many factions and plotlines. No true bad guy or good guy. You even feel what happened offscreen was 10x more interesting than the action they showed. A 2 hour movie with half the number of players may well have worked a LOT better.

[Quinn: Clochebusters World Champion]

A 2 hour movie with half the number of players may well have worked a LOT better.

My idea for this is to basically cut episodes 2-9.

Don’t kill off Dahj, have come to Picard saying they need to go find her sister, he sets off with her and basically go direct to the planet the synths are on. Have them meet Soji there. Cut out all the crap with the Borg Cube which was just a destination that spent 5 episodes getting to and then used for a cool crash sequence a couple of episodes later. Soji provides Dahj the vision of the synth destruction or whatever it is that the Romulan’s are keeping secret. Dahj flips, sets about bringing the other synths from all over the universe to kill all organic life. Picard has to deal with this in a hopefully better way than a 30second Skype call, and ultimately saves the day.

He doesn’t die, he doesn’t meet Data and euthanise him, it’s just a story about Picard trying to stop synths killing everyone and justifying the ban they’ve been placed under.

A nice, 90mins of story telling, cutting out all the crap in the middle.

[Hamish]

I have not seen any of this, but Picard being resurrected in a robot body sounds awfully Shatnerverse. It sure does not help this seem like any less of a vanity project.

[Ridley]

[…] it’s just a story about Picard trying to stop synths killing everyone and justifying the ban they’ve been placed under.

Tad genocidey.

[NoFro]

My partner and I watched this. Not a Trekkie/Trekker so wasn’t that interested in watching it but started off thinking the first episode was fine enough and then very quickly lost interest. The new characters were not at all engaging. As someone who hasn’t made it through a full Star Trek episode before this, even I found that the energy went up massively whenever the returning cast were on screen together.

[Offline]

My end of season review –

A load of fucking nonsense. The tale of a bunch of mentally ill sociopathic sad sacks and druggies who push an old man around when he clearly needs a lie down and a cup of earl grey and there’s some fleshy androids who look like cast-offs at a local Trek-con and a shit end boss and they even pulled the ol’ soap trope of introducing a new family member even though there was zero mention or even glimpse of them over 33 years of TNG canon.

Oh and Seven is a lesbian now.

And they killed Data again. And I love him. And I don’t want him to go.

Well, see you all for Discovery YEAR 3000 LIMITED EDITION DLC.

Cunts.

[Pete Part Three]

This show seemed to want address the events of Nemesis. One of the biggest missteps in that movie was them killing off Data, but then hedging their bets with B4.

This show starts with them doing the same thing with the twin girls. And then ends with them doing the same thing again…twice. (Spiner can pop up endlessly as Soong, just as much as Stewart can in his golem body).

And this bullshit comes after after a genuinely wonderful scene about “mortality being finite to give lives meaning”. Could the writers not have read that scene back to themselves and realised that, by the same logic, this backpedaling of what should be finite choices makes *storytelling* pretty empty?

If you want a Season 2, don’t give Picard an illness. Not fucking complicated.

Done with this bollocks.

[Ridley]

If you want a Season 2, don’t give Picard an illness. Not fucking complicated.

Or make him immortal as the cost of cheating death.

[Offline]

Picard seemed happy enough being dead, he should’ve just stayed with Data and faded into the ether.

But fuck consistent, meaningful character arcs, CBS needs that sweet streaming lucre.

Season 2 is going to be about some fucking shit like an alternate universe Picard and not even Q can help because fuck shit wank cunt piss arse knob dick.

I hope Michael Burnham dies in Discovery and Saru ingests her whole as is tradition in his culture.

Then shits her out and Spock pees on the poo and then flings it at the Enterprise hull.

Shittyprise.

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