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  • #244402
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Well, The Curse of Mr. Bean:

    Do you think Bean ever goes after those boys who caused him to fall from the diving board?

    Likewise, I wish i could be a fly on the wall when the parents of the little girl in the yellow swimsuit realise that she’s got a pair of men’s swim trunks with her as well as her snorkel.

    I wonder if the women’s swimming class that Bean flashes are traumatised for long?

    I have a family photo from that era taken at my local swimming centre of the beginners swimmers class and EVERY ONE of the small girls is wearing some variation of the swimsuit the little girl in The Curse of Mr Bean wore.

    And of course even if eighties culture and fashion hadn’t “hung over” into the early nineties, since there was no year zero, 1990 is part of the previous decade.

    Mr. Bean thwarted by a kindergartner:

    I occasionally think about what fictional characters do after the story is over, and how their lives might continue. However, one can overthink such things, particularly in the area of slapstick where IRL such antics would often result in arrest, injury or death.

    I mean, in one Mr Bean outing he literally headbutts the Queen. Tell me that wouldn’t have serious consequences.

    #244403
    Warbodog
    Member

    ‘Curse’ and ‘Goes to Town’ were the only Bean we had on video (blue video; my friend had the red video). Watched it plenty. Favourite bit was probably when he bides his time waiting in the shadows for someone to use the car park ticket machine, then his lights turn on like evil eyes, engine roars like a monster and he goes for it. I liked mean Bean.

    #244404
    Dave
    Participant

    I liked Mr Bean a lot when I was younger, but it’s only when rewatching it as an adult with my own kids that I’ve realised how utterly brilliantly performed and cleverly conceived they are.

    In their day there was a bit of sniffiness around them once they got really popular, like they were secretly crap or somehow unworthy of praise or something, but away from all that you can see just how perfect they are, especially the earliest episodes.

    #244407
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    #244408
    bloodteller
    Participant

    I had Curse Of Mr Bean on VHS as a kid, it was the blue one I think? As I remember, also available were “the blood coloured one” and the “bluey, greeney, paddling pool sort of color”…it was so weird hearing him talk at length in that intro. Something that stood out to me, even as a kid, is the episode when he goes to the cinema to see a movie, which inexplicably lasts all of 5 minutes. I mean yes, the episode couldn’t have gone on for an hour and a half, but surely it would make sense to have some kind of crossfade to show time passing, rather than there being a 5-minute movie

    #244409
    Warbodog
    Member

    The early ones were random anthologies mixing short sketches with longer scenes, I didn’t get the sense that they were supposed to be related and happening on the same day, maybe just sometimes. Later on they committed to full-episode scenarios with the hotel, baby, etc.

    I preferred the early ones, I was only really “sniffy” about the film, tagging along to the cinema semi-reluctantly.

    #244410
    Dave
    Participant

    The film was a bit crap, in fairness. The second one even more so.

    #244411
    Warbodog
    Member

    I completely misunderstood bloodteller’s point, you meant how the film starts, he mucks about, then it’s already over in seemingly one take. Yeah, that bothered me too.

    #244412
    bloodteller
    Participant

    Also speaking of VHS, one of my earliest memories of VHS was putting in my family’s 1991 holiday home video when I was uhhh, maybe six or seven, and after the end someone had taped an episode of something called “Red Dwarf”. The episode was Demons And Angels, which A. probably not suitable for a six year old and B. is a little confusing if you’ve never seen the show before. But that was what got me started on Red Dwarf, and I’ve been hooked ever since. I know that has nothing to do with the topic at hand, but it just suddenly shot up in my memory as the first time I ever saw Red Dwarf. Also I carried on using VHS up until 2012, when I taped all of Red Dwarf X. So in a way, Red Dwarf sort of bookended my use of VHS tapes. I’ll always prefer them over DVDs, to be honest, although maybe that’s just nostalgia and stuff. Whole lot of memories of watching VHS as a kid, Mr Bean, Bottom, Simpsons Treehouse Of Horror, The Super Mario Bros Super Show…VHS was just a huge part of my childhood really, even though I’m a lot younger than most people who grew up with it (by the time I was born, DVDs were already out). Anyway, I have no idea what compelled me to type all this, but those are some of my VHS memories

    #244413
    bloodteller
    Participant

    I probably should have refreshed the thread before I hit “Submit”, now my post seems even more completely out of nowhere

    #244414
    clem
    Participant

    > also available were “the blood coloured one” and the “bluey, greeney, paddling pool sort of color

    There was also the “violety, purpley, sort of potassium permanganate coloured one”.

    I remember a brand new Mr Bean episode being quite the event when I was a kid, and the Unseen Bean video was highly coveted. Conducting the brass band in the Christmas episode is a favourite of mine.

    #244415
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >The film was a bit crap, in fairness. The second one even more so.

    I agree Mr Bean’s Holiday was shit, but I always really liked Bean. The segments that were just jokes taken from the TV series were kind of pointless (We saw it the first time!) but the stuff that was new I really enjoyed. The whole thing with messing up Whistler’s Mother, then Mr Bean coming up with the genius plan to fix it all, the big speech about what the painting means to him, the scene at the amusement park etc. was all great, I thought. It had a lot of heart to it as well, which was nice. I think as far as adapting sitcoms into movies goes, Bean was probably one of the better ones (certainly better than the Bottom movie…)

    #244417
    Dave
    Participant

    I think the film just feels flabby and slow compared to the tightness of the TV episodes. It’s ok but not as good.

    Conducting the brass band in the Christmas episode is a favourite of mine.

    God yes, some of Atkinson’s best ever physical comedy, that.

    #244418
    Warbodog
    Member

    Guest House Paradiso wasn’t on the Red Dwarf VII level of painful adolescent letdowns, but still pretty grim.

    Kevin and Perry Go Large wasn’t my greatest cinematic experience either.

    #244419
    bloodteller
    Participant

    What the fuck was the point of Guest House Paradiso anyway? It was like a Bottom movie but not really, and the characters don’t really behave like themselves, and it’s all a bit bleak and off-key really (that scene where Gina is about to get raped by her abusive husband…what the fuck?). It just feels like some random movie that somebody else wrote that happens to have Rik and Ade in the lead roles, and it completely lacks the wit and energy of the show. It’s like somebody tried to write a Bottom movie after they’d had a really horrible and sad day

    Kevin and Perry Go Large was mediocre, I thought. I mean it’s not great, but it’s acceptable I think?

    #244420
    Warbodog
    Member

    In the wider context it’s Rik & Ade doing another version of their stock “Richie” and “Eddie” characters that had already gone through various iterations (Filthy, Rich and Catflap, Mr Jolly Lives Next Door, Bottom being the best known), and they made a point of stating that it wasn’t actually a Bottom film in an interview I’ve seen since on YouTube. But the way the characters look and act early on is so clearly Bottom, and that was all in the trailer, so it’s what we were expecting.

    Wayne’s World is a much more successful example of upscaling a minimalist two-hander TV comedy to the big screen and adding a token movie babe and bad guy but still making it work.

    #244421
    Dave
    Participant

    League of Gentlemen, that was a good adaptation to film.

    #244422
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I have a fondness for Bean, specifically the scene in the gallery when he puts things right. It’s a great subversion of the character’s unothordox thinking screwing him over. And Goodall’s score is lovely.

    Do-It-Yourself Mr. Bean sticks in my head as being prime Mr Bean as all the “acts” are very strong. The Television reception from The Curse is great.

    >Conducting the brass band in the Christmas episode is a favourite of mine.

    The moment with the “volume dial”, Atkinson mouthing the brass bits and then wellin, never fails to make me smile. What a talent.

    I’ll stick up for Kevin and Perry Go Large. It’s nowehere near as its reputation suggests and I liked the soundtrack when it came out (specifically Kid 2000). I did find it odd how The Inbetweeners 2 got away with ripping off one of the most maligned moments in K&P.

    >League of Gentlemen, that was a good adaptation to film.

    Really interesting premise too.

    #244423
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    *welling up at the ‘sad” bit in “God Rest Ye Merry Gentlemen”*

    #244424
    Warbodog
    Member

    I’m always up for some meta masturbation, but I’d rather the League had just committed to a new premise for the full length rather than doing a lesser version of Wes Craven’s New Nightmare via Charlie Kaufman’s Adaptation. Even if that meant they couldn’t have Tubbs in the trailer and the whole project would be financially ruinous.

    Psychoville more than compensated in the end, so I’m not really complaining.

    #244425
    (deleted)
    Member

    I’m going to really stick up for Mr Bean’s Holiday. Really interesting idea to do a ‘roots album’ version on Mr Bean, making it half post-war French silent comedy and half European art film. It’s beautifully directed and the score is delicious. That shot at the end where he walks blindly over obstacles towards the beach always makes me well up, it’s that perfectly realised a moment. It’s like the film’s tribute to the magic of early cinema suddenly comes full circle and supernaturally summons a glint of genuine old cinema magic itself, just for a second.

    I think both Bean films are great in completely different ways (though the first has obvious pacing problems relating to an M&M sponsorship deal that got out of hand when it dictated what they keep and lose in the edit, meaning they lost 20 minutes of brilliant UK set stuff at the start and had to keep the ‘Dr Bean’ coda at a ridiculous length, pushing the ‘real’ Whistler ending to far too early in the film), and they really refreshed a character that had been running on empty for the last few, sub-CITV, TV outings (Do It Yourself was probably the last good one, and I often wondered if the video-only status of Hair By London was because it was both sub-par and cheap looking. Back To School is the absolute nadir – it’s just a mentally challenged man walking around being an evil shit to background characters that would be too broad for the Beano).

    #244426
    Warbodog
    Member

    Cornetto trilogy is superior to Spaced. I’m very fond of Spaced series 1, but found series 2 a disappointment.

    #244427
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Mr Bean does a few things which could be seen as “harassing, alarming and distressing” (to quote that old cliché again) if he similar things in public in real life, in other words, Mr Public would be arrested and even go to prison of he copied it for himself. Referring to the Goes to Town episode, when going back to the days when electric plugs had a “batteries not included” aspect towards electrical items and one had to wire them up, putting the Live, Earth and Neutral in the right place – when he buys a new television set we see Bean twist the wires into the plug which is something that would not work in real life – in fact, a Central continuity announcer had reminded Midlands viewers not to copy him doing that with a plug at the end of one of the mid 1990s repeats. The videos always got a U certificate and not a PG one by either the BBFC or the VSC.

    Another was the fact that Mind the Baby was postponed twice in 1993 and 1994 because of the similarities with the storyline and the James Bulger murder. The fact that Bean takes an unrelated baby to a seaside destination (Southsea?) seems rather alarming when one thinks of child abductions and the like especially in the early to mid 1990s. For the 1993 showing it was replaced by the first showing of the Room 426 episode set in a hotel (and ironically enough, set in another costal destination), and was postponed again around a year later because of the trial and the distress, and was replaced by a repeat of a previous episode. It was eventually shown a few months after the Bulger murder trial was concluded.

    Maybe it’s something to do with the tarnished image of Rolf Harris and memories of his old learn to swim PIF, but there’s something disturbing about this Mr Bean screenshot from this angle. I know it’s the STUPID SWIMWEAR the little girl is wearing is why her bare buttocks are in full view of the camera, bur I wonder if the scene would’ve been scrapped or shot at a different angle if it had been suggested during the Harris scandal? It’s kind of surprising that even in 1990, they transmitted it like this.

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    #244428
    Warbodog
    Member

    I’m so glad that tag didn’t close correctly.

    #244429
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    For other buttock related mishaps transmitted on national television, the telesnaps for Episode 2 of the Doctor Who story The Savages reveal a distressing amount of Nanina’s backside for a show broadcast at teatime: http://www.bbc.co.uk/doctorwho/classic/photonovels/savages/two/29.shtml

    #244431
    clem
    Participant

    > they lost 20 minutes of brilliant UK set stuff at the start

    Is any of it available anywhere other than that rather frustrating featurette that was on the VHS but not, AFAIK, any subsequent release of the film? Atkinson and Mel Smith introduce a few deleted scenes, or clips of deleted scenes, and talk a bit about why they were cut, and then maddeningly there’s a montage of more unused stuff.

    #244432
    Dave
    Participant

    This thread has gone weird now.

    #244433

    Room 426 is one I struggle with, he’s just a bit *too* nasty in that, and just makes it his job to piss off another bloke relentlessly. I do like his little childish competitions with other people when they pop up momentarily, but 426’s focus on it is just unpleasant viewing.

    I hated Bean at the time – too many jokes taken directly from the TV version, too much ‘normal’ plot – but I’d like to revisit it at some point. Never saw Holiday. Maybe I’ll watch that too.

    #244434
    (deleted)
    Member

    To be honest, the media at large back then was still able to process the idea of children as something other as either nascent sexual beings or rape victims in waiting. Things like baby’s bottoms in nappy adverts etc were commonplace, because no sane person would automatically think of any other angle as we are radicalised to do now. Two decades of hysterical sickness later and children on TV are now just disposable props in a nihilistic nightmare which aims to somehow safeguard them by making it impossible to imagine them in any other context than as prey for sex criminals.

    I’m not blaming you, it’s just this ruined fucking world, somehow simultaneously oversexualised to the point of constant danger and prudish to the point of desolation, quite literally throwing out the baby with the bathwater. To be honest I’d just like a small window of reality left where there isn’t an ever present cartoon icon of a sex offender’s tumescent dick in the corner of my vision, like an item in a fucking RPG.

    #244435
    si
    Participant

    This thread has gone weird now

    Welcome to the G&T forum.

    #244436
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >This thread has gone weird now.

    It started off weird, to be fair.

    #244440
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I like Mr Bean’s holiday because it turns into a really strange European art film, it’s totally unexpected and refreshing and really rather heartwarming, etc. Not what people expect from Mr. Bean, granted, so people who just want more Bean antics were probably disappointed by it.

    #244444
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >Wayne’s World is a much more successful example of upscaling a minimalist two-hander TV comedy to the big screen and adding a token movie babe and bad guy but still making it work.

    Yeah, Wayne’s World is great. Wayne’s World 2 was kind of mediocre though, it really lacked the energy the first movie had.

    One of my favourite TV-to-Movie adaptions is “A Night At The Roxbury”. That was literally just a 5 second clip of a few guys in a car banging their heads to Haddaway, and was rather well-adapted into an hour and a half movie, especially considering what they had to work with

    #244448
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    I think that in the long run, Mr Bean is an affectionate way of looking at someone who is different to most other people. One could say that about Arkwright with his speech impediment, or even Frank Spencer and his mannerisms. The Lou and Andy characters in Little Britain could also be added to list because of the use of a wheelchair.

    Have a look at the ending of the cinema scene in The Curse Of… when the Nightmare On Elm Street film has finished. Bean does behave in the cinema rather like someone who is, shall we say, disturbed, or is like some child who plays up in class. If anything, I warmed quite well to the character who often finds everyday things that most people take for granted in life or find easy, rather difficult, and tries to find his own solution to them.

    Also, in the Goes to Town episode when they are at the disco and his partner meets another man and Bean is obviously and understandably jealous, getting his own back by shutting down the power supply at the end – the issues of relationships amongst those who are different is more than apparent there.

    #244449
    Warbodog
    Member

    >Wayne’s World 2 was kind of mediocre though, it really lacked the energy the first movie had.

    Wayne’s World 2 is unnecessary and fails to recapture the magic, but still enjoyable (best part). Feels like it’s about 60% parodies of other things.

    Hugely prefer Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey to Excellent Adventure though, but that’s largely because I saw it at the cinema when I was six and it blew my mind. I’ve observed a trend where British people like Bogus Journey and Americans think it’s crap. Based on a wide sample of about three subjects.

    #244452
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    There’s some great moments in Wayne World 2, but it doesn’t really hang together as a movie at all. The Graduate stuff towards the end is just bizarre. That “best part” video cuts of just before Ralph Brown though, so it’s still up for debate.

    Also a fan of Bogus Journey over Excellent Adventure. We need some yanks to weigh in.

    >Room 426 is one I struggle with, he’s just a bit *too* nasty in that, and just makes it his job to piss off another bloke relentlessly. I do like his little childish competitions with other people when they pop up momentarily, but 426’s focus on it is just unpleasant viewing.

    Agreed. There’s plenty of times where we see why Bean tries to one-up someone but this episode is a shitshow. The exam sketch in the Pilot with Bean producing pens to show how much more “prepared” he is than Paul Brown makes sense, because it’s all about hubris. No such justification for it in 426.

    The show fucks up when we don’t understand Bean’s thought-processes. It’s near-silent comedy, so we have to get the logic, however skewed, behind his bizarre actions.

    I think the intention was that the other guy gets the better hotel room (which he does; his has a bath) and if they’d sold that idea by the guy nipping in front of Bean at reception and “stealing” the room Bean was supposed to get, we’d have at least got the justification going forward. However, Bean is a tit to him before that even happens. The scene in the dining hall (with Bean stacking his plate with more food than his enemy for… reasons?) is particularly bizarre. Maybe a problem of this episode being completely away from a studio audience.

    #244454
    Dave
    Participant

    The exam sketch in the Pilot with Bean producing pens to show how much more “prepared” he is than Paul Brown

    For years I misremembered the other actor in this scene as being Sean Bean, and was shocked when I realised it wasn’t, like some weird Mandela Effect.

    #244456
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I had to google it to make sure it wasn’t Hugo Speer.

    #244457
    Warbodog
    Member

    I haven’t really watched any Mr Bean since childhood, which might be some stupid prejudice I need to shake off. Especially since I keep coming back to Rowan Atkinson pre-Bean stand-up when I feel like a random quickie.

    School master clean version > dirty version.

    #244461
    clem
    Participant

    I recommend RA’s Live in Belfast album. It’s on Spotify.

    I’ve never had a problem with Bean behaving like a childish prick for the sake of it in Room 426, tbh. Maybe I would if I saw it for the first time today. He does get his comeuppance, at least, first with the oysters and then Danny La Rue.

    #244462
    Warbodog
    Member

    Watched the first few Beans. First episode in particular is fantastic and with more rampant innuendo than I expected, even when I already remembered the tumescent Pink Panther. Maybe that was Ben Elton’s contribution?

    (I’ll spare you the commentary for every episode).

    #244463
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    I’ve never given much thought to Bean as a character who should be bounded by consistent characterisation and development etc, to me it’s just Rowan Atkinson doing outrageous things. It’s a sketch show, not a sitcom. That said, there are of course things Bean would and wouldn’t do, and he does get more mean-spirited over time, but I think the rule of “if it’s funny, it’s funny” applies to something like this

    #244465
    clem
    Participant

    > I’ve observed a trend where British people like Bogus Journey and Americans think it’s crap. Based on a wide sample of about three subjects.

    Aren’t the writers and Reeves and Winter a bit down on Bogus Journey themselves? That’s the impression I seem to have gotten from interviews and such, although come to think of it, I can’t recall anything specific except some mild criticism of the director’s decision to recast the Princesses.

    Bogus Journey is my earliest memory of seeing a film in the cinema. I’d have been 8 and thought it was the best thing I’d ever seen, but I hadn’t seen Excellent Adventure at the time. They both do my curmudgeonly soul good, and I won’t choose a favourite. That said, I hope the third film is more like BJ than EA, in terms of ambition and downright bizarreness.

    > We need some yanks to weigh in.

    Perhaps someone from Medieval England, Iowa?

    #244491
    Warbodog
    Member

    Bogus Journey is the film I most want to see an extended cut of, since missing scenes teasingly show up briefly in trailers, soundtrack dialogue, trading cards and the comic adaptation. Or at least to see the deleted scenes properly, where the hell are they?

    This comment on Den of Geek was what I was thinking of. Just one needlessly angry person, but I remember I’d been mulling the US vs. UK sentiment before then:

    MartinInOR: No one I know. NO ONE likes Bill & Ted’s Bogus Journey. There is nothing funny about it and its a weak, weak sequel. Must be a Brit thing that you’;ve enjoyed it so much. Universally hated here and ignored when its broadcast. I can’;t believe you people.

    Maybe it’s one of those films that got buried in the competition over there but happened to do better here. Or more generalised bollocks about how Brits are more comfortable laughing at death and not taking heaven and hell too seriously, if you conveniently ignore The Simpsons and everything.

    (P.S. All Americans like Terrorform best; it’s a fact).

    #244492
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    >the rule of “if it’s funny, it’s funny” applies to something like this

    That was the point though. It you’re just watching a mentally ill person victimise someone in bizarre ways for no clear reason, it’s not funny. The point of silent comedians is to convey what they’re thinking without words so we understand the reasons behind their actions (if not the actions themselves).

    My resistance to a third B&T film is just from how much I adore the last ten minutes of Bill and Ted’s Bogus Journey. I don’t really get the pitch for Film 3 after watching that.

    #244493
    Dave
    Participant

    I’ve had the same thoughts about the pitch for “Bill & Ted Face The Music”. It seems to require completely ignoring or overwriting the final moments of Bogus Journey, which is such a joyful sequence that it would be a real shame.

    I love both Excellent Adventure and Bogus Journey equally, I think. I wonder whether some of the resistance to the sequel was that it went in such a different direction, rather than just rehashing the first one. There’s so much good, new stuff in it though.

    #244494

    I’ve never seen either of the Bill & Ted films and, as a kid, everything my friends said about them put me off them enough to never want to see them. I’m aware of how this makes me look.

    #244495
    Warbodog
    Member

    I probably wouldn’t like Bill & Ted 1 if it wasn’t for the second one, it’s a bit broad and not as admirably weird as the sequel, but both have clever time travel gags in there. I don’t know what you think of Moffat Doctor Who, but some of those gags/logic are similar, especially to the 1999 Comic Relief thing with Rowan Atkinson (to accidentally almost bring this back on topic).

    Bill & Ted and Wayne’s World both have a great positive vibe (in spite of the death angle in Bill & Ted 2. Death has no place in comedy). At heart they’re feel-good comedies about great friends dealing with challenges with chirpy optimism, inane winsome grins and nonsensical but internally-logical slang expressions. Apart from those regrettable bits where Bill & Ted use a once popular homophobic slur (as a kid, I thought they were sarcastically saying “thanks”).

    #244496
    Warbodog
    Member

    Maybe similar, or I’m just being sleep-deprived.

    #244497
    Dave
    Participant

    More like the end of Stasis Leak really.

    #244498
    Warbodog
    Member

    Visually, but I was thinking the way we catch up with the other side of the conversation to complete the loop and get up to speed, more delayed in Bill & Ted. Red Dwarf’s loop is tidier because it doesn’t have the plot hole / bootstrap paradox of where they learned the name ‘Rufus’ from in the first place, since no one told them apart from themselves (unless there’s a time when it could have happened off-screen, I can’t remember).

    #244502
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Um…Stasis Leak’s paradox is that they don’t *discover* the leak on Floor 16. They go down and look for it, because they’ve been told it’s there by Future Rimmer and Holly doesn’t know what one is, or that’s it actually happened.

    #244503
    Warbodog
    Member

    Completely forgot about the head through table scene. Bad fan. I’ll stick to Mr. Bean, more my intellectual level.

    #244504
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    Forrest Gump – I always wondered why Forrest didn’t just use one of his empty Dr Pepper bottles if he was bursting to pee as there’s no way he would have made it to the White House toilet in time.

    #244508
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Forrest Gump is not a smart man, Jenny.

    #244512
    Warbodog
    Member

    I got Mr Bean’s ‘Club Phut’ joke after 28 years. Don’t get why ‘Phut’ seems to be a running Easter egg though, written in chalk on a wall in an earlier episode.

    The driving/grooming insanity/genius in Trouble has to be the best A-side (so far). Assuming they probably reused it in the films, since you would be pretty proud of that.

    #244531
    (deleted)
    Member

    It’s a Pink Panther reference.

    #244533
    (deleted)
    Member

    They remounted very little of the series for the films, just the sickbag from Rides Again and the turkey on head from Merry Christmas for the first film (and the turkey on head scene is completely different for both the UK and US versions – the US version remounts it straighter as if happening for the first time, and the UK version is presented as if Bean is aware of the previous occasion), and the restaurant scene from Return Of for the second film. There were also two rare short films remaking the royal premiere and another I’ve forgotten. Everything else is unique.

    All the celluloid footage in the TV series was directed by Paul Weiland, and I think it’s among the most beautifully directed television ever created. Steve Bendelack’s work on the second film feels of a piece with it. Shame if that never gets restored in HD, but the moment’s passed I think.

    #244536
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >They remounted very little of the series for the films, just the sickbag from Rides Again and the turkey on head from Merry Christmas for the first film (and the turkey on head scene is completely different for both the UK and US versions – the US version remounts it straighter as if happening for the first time, and the UK version is presented as if Bean is aware of the previous occasion

    I watched the first movie again today, and the turkey on head scene was omitted entirely, weirdly enough. He simply puts it in the microwave and it explodes offscreen. I definitely remember seeing a version before where it WAS included, so what’s going on there? How many versions of this movie are there?

    #244537

    He does the ‘falling off a chair asleep’ routine in Bean, beat-for-beat copied from the church scene in the first episode.

    #244538
    (deleted)
    Member

    Forgot about the falling asleep!

    Yes, there are two versions of Bean, UK and US, identical but for the turkey scene.

    #244539
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I used to own this: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-Beans-Scrapbook-About-America/dp/B000H2MWQQ

    It was a poor man’s Mr Bean’s Diary, but had a few good bits when it deviated from simply selling the movie. I was a bit confused at the time that the page covering Bean cooking a turkey dinner had photos from the US version of the movie.

    #244540
    (deleted)
    Member

    That’s a really good book. Made, like Diary, by Robin Driscoll (that’s his handwriting that always deputises for Bean’s, even down to him being Bean’s hand double if he ever writes anything). Recall all the pages are photographed rather than scanned against a platen, which makes it all a bit murky and soft, almost punky looking. Must have taken months to put together.

    There was a third book to go with Holiday but it was rotten and digitally designed (they’d even made Bean’s handwriting into a font, spoiling all the fun). I don’t think many people are aware of it.

    There is also a brilliant scriptbook for the film with essays by Richard Curtis and Mel Smith, a filming diary by Robin Driscoll, lots of production photographs, unused script extracts, and the script for ‘The Restorer’, an unmade pre-Bean Atkinson TV script from the 80s which the film was adapted from.

    #244541
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    I don’t like it when helpless members of society get caught up in Bean’s antics such as babies. I was a victim of abuse as a child and the emotional scars have faded but never healed. Whenever a child causes trouble for Bean like the two boys or the little blonde girl that takes his trunks, I remain frightened that Bean is capable of violence against those children for the sake of revenge. Just like my father who liked to throw me around when he was in a rage.

    #244542
    Warbodog
    Member

    Bean sees himself as being on their level, so isn’t above bullying kids if he wants to steal their comic or something. He repeatedly stabs Nick Hancock with a pencil, so he could be capable of violence against ‘fellow kids’ if he thinks he’s been slighted, but they obviously wouldn’t go there (…unless they do).

    #244543
    (deleted)
    Member

    It’s not set in the ‘real world’ though. It’s silent comedy world, where there isn’t really any malevolence or evil.

    I was abused and neglected quite badly as a child and if anything Mr Bean was one of the things that most got me through it. Never saw him as an ‘adult’, always an equal.

    #244898
    By Jove its holmes
    Participant

    That’s why i fear for Little Imp in Yellow Swimsuit if Bean ever comes after her for walking off with his trunks. He’s spiteful and capable of violence, and unless that swimsuit can turn her into Super Ted, she wouldn’t stand a chance.

    Come to think of it, Little Imp in Yellow Swimsuit getting Super Ted powers would make a good spin-off. She’d be sort of like a British live action Powerpuff Girl…

    #244901
    JamesTC
    Participant

    My two earliest memories are of in and around my fifth birthday. First it was receiving Series III Byte 1 on VHS and then a few days later coming downstairs in the morning to find a VHS player of my own along with a copy of The Best Bits of Mr Bean.

    Back when I was a kid it was Red Dwarf and Mr Bean as my two loves. Watched them on VHS on an endless loop. Now I’ve not seen Mr Bean since it came out on DVD which probably would have been around 8 or 9 years ago. Not sure why.

    I now have a deep regret that I got rid of my Mr Bean VHS collection. Sure I would never watch them again but I will never watch my Red Dwarf VHS collection again yet that has pride of place on the shelves. I feel like I’ve nonchalantly gotten rid of a big piece of my childhood just because now the DVD of the series and two films take up less space than two videos.

    I really need to re-watch them all and see if I can relive that big bit of my childhood. I think I can. I’m sure Mr Bean played into why I loved Twin Peaks Season 3 so much.

    Also fuck the Reliant Robin.

    #244902
    Warbodog
    Member

    As a child with undeveloped artistic judgement, I didn’t see much difference between Mr. Bean and the Mr. Blobby home videos that were like Mr. Bean written by a five-year-old. Both brought me joy at the time, but one has stood the test of time slightly better.

    Mr. Blobby Goes to Town.

    #244929
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >In the wider context it’s Rik & Ade doing another version of their stock “Richie” and “Eddie” characters that had already gone through various iterations (Filthy, Rich and Catflap, Mr Jolly Lives Next Door, Bottom being the best known), and they made a point of stating that it wasn’t actually a Bottom film in an interview I’ve seen since on YouTube.

    Yeah I saw that interview too, and fair enough if the characters actually behaved like Richie and Eddie. But they don’t- Eddie is just a generic idiot, and Richie is a much less energetic, much more sinister and unpleasant character than he ever was in the show. You could argue that being the owner of a hotel causes him to behave like this, but we get a much better iteration of Richie being in a position of power in ‘S Up when he’s left to run the corner shop. If he’d behaved like that in Guest House Paradiso, then maybe it would have been a better movie? It’s hard to say really, there’s definitely something distinctly “off” about the whole movie though.

    Besides that, the movie feels like it’s generally lacking in the energy and wit that Bottom had, which even if it’s not really meant to be a Bottom movie, still comes as a disappointment.

    #259697
    tombow
    Participant

    I thought I’d bump this as I wanted to make a thread about Bill n’ Ted 3 and this had a lot of Wyld Stallyns discussion on it. Of course…the Red Dwarf novel omnibus had a subtle dig at Bn’T where it’s listed as one of Rob and Doug’s early Dwarf ideas before being rejected as “too dr who”.

    As for the debate between the two films, everyone I know seems to prefer the second, but I don’t get it at all. Excellent Adventure was one of my favourite films as a kid – I was already fascinated with epic rock bands like Queen and Iron Maiden when I saw it, so the idea that a band like that could be usher of a new age just completely grabbed my imagination as a kid. I loved all the characters too, I found the dudes and the historical figures really lovable.

    Wheras Bogus Journey…every 5 years or so I rewatch it a couple of times to try and love it, but it’s just not my thing. It just feels like a bunch of madcap cartoony ideas crammed together…robots, aliens…the 2 actors seem way over the top, like really shouty with exaggerated mannerisms, (even the good versions) whereas in the first film they’re more relaxed and natural. Like stoned versions of their real selves. I love the Reaper and the parts they’re playing games with him,..I like most of it, the end is nice, I just don’t think I’ll ever love it.

    Plus the first one just feels like a serious film in places, like the Wild West, Ancient Greece, it feels real. Everything in BG looks cartoony. EA just left me with a really powerful feeling as a kid, like I’d seen this important spiritual film.

    I am really excited about Face the Music ..I’m expecting to love it…I don’t really know what the status of UK cinemas is now. I just really need to see the trilogy finished.

    As for Bean, I remember my Dad having strong feelings that Bean was going downhill and he was becoming too cruel. I can’t remember the cut off point for him though.

    #259706
    Dave
    Participant

    I’m also really looking forward to the new Bill & Ted, and I also prefer the original over the sequel, although they’re very different movies.

    The first film has more heart and feels like a more sincere adventure film, whereas the second is a more eclectic and less coherent collection of sketches and crazy concepts and characters, although it’s still very fun and I do love it, particularly that ending.

    #259707
    tombow
    Participant

    I bought the Graphic novels/tpbs of Bn’T’s Triumphant Return and Bn’T Save the Universe a few weeks ago. Return is only ho-hum (it’s about Bill n Ted trying to help Denomolos as a kid, only to have him go back to their San Dimas and steal their success, to make a dark future where he rules and Rufus is a rebel leader)…it’s pretty short and padded with some other one off funny stories, like the good robots getting a virus and Bn’T having to track down an IT expert woman in the future to help them.

    Save The Universe was really good/epic and could have been a movie IMO. It’s mostly set in space and quite Dwarf-ish in places, I won’t give too many spoilers except their moms are in it. Missy and Deacon have big heroic roles in it too. Although to be honest neither storyline really feels like something canon that you could imagine happening in the films. They’re way more wacky.

    also..the end of Bogus Journey was actually a late addition to the script. In the first draft they win the battle by defeating the bad guys but still play their crude out of tune chords as the credits roll. Promising Rufus they will get good later. http://www.billandted.org/moviesbjearlydraft07.htm

    #259711
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I saw Bogus Journey in the cinema, and knew next to nothing about the first film. It didn’t matter a jot – I loved it and the movie poster adorned my wall for months afterwards. I bought Excellent Adventure on VHS shortly afterwards (hoping to catch the re-release in the cinema sometime) but I always find Bogus Journey to have the edge.

    It seems to have a bit more polish, and I actually think it hangs together a bit better. Curiously, none of the scenes in Excellent Adventure where they actually kidnap the historical figures get many laughs from me. The stuff in Sam Dimas Mall, the police station and the Presentation itself are all gold, of course.

    I appreciate Bogus Journey is batshit crazy and the afterlife stuff could be seen as a bit bizarre in comparison to Excellent Adventure but I think the oddness is part of its charm. I’ll always think of my favourite line (“Kudos to you, good human us-es!”) simply because those 6 words are utterly unable to be recycled by any other piece of fiction. Maybe if I came to Bogus Journey with fresh eyes, I’d feel differently – but quite difficult after 20+ viewings and when that’s your intro to B&T. And George Carlin pumping his fists when the first few bars of “God Gave Rock and Roll To You” gets a little cheer from me, each and every time.

    Excellent Adventure has the better soundtrack though.

    #259716
    tombow
    Participant

    when I rewatched them the other day one thing that did occur to me was that maybe the 2 writers didn’t really know enough about current music to know what kids like Bill n’ Ted would be into. Like with how they’re dressed they look like they would have been into like Jane’s Addiction and Chilli Peppers, not just older stuff like Van Halen and Iron Maiden. That is one way the 2nd film is superior in that it has Faith No More and Primus in it, so more research was taken to imagine up to date stuff they would have been into.

    #259717
    Dave
    Participant

    also..the end of Bogus Journey was actually a late addition to the script. In the first draft they win the battle by defeating the bad guys but still play their crude out of tune chords as the credits roll. Promising Rufus they will get good later.

    That would have made things slightly easier for the third film.

    (Honestly, my major concern about it is that it’s going to have to effectively undo that triumphant ending of Bogus Journey.)

    #259718
    tombow
    Participant

    I guess Rufus did say “eventually” their music would contact other planets and stuff. It actually fits better for me to imagine they got big for a while, faded away, then had a triumphant comeback in 2020 which created their future.

    #259719
    Dave
    Participant

    Like with how they’re dressed they look like they would have been into like Jane’s Addiction and Chilli Peppers, not just older stuff like Van Halen and Iron Maiden.

    No, they’re both too late for Bill and Ted I think. The film was made in 1987 and Jane’s Addiction didn’t have an album out until ’88. RHCP were around, but Blood Sugar Sex Magik didn’t come out until 1991 so again I think it’s too late for them.

    Having grown up in that era with older siblings the same age as Bill and Ted, I can say that Van Halen and Iron Maiden would have been exactly what they were into.

    #259720
    tombow
    Participant

    In my defense…Alex Winter was in the Chilli Pepper’s video for “Knock Me Down” in ’89…

    Also there is one other un-discovered Californian funk-hard-rock album I’ve been getting into lately…LAPD’s self titled album..featuring 3 members who would go on to join a lesser band called Korn…

    I dunno I still feel like they would have been more on the cutting edge based on how cool they look and that they live near Los Angeles and stuff…

    #259903
    tombow
    Participant

    wow, this is the Joan of Arc/Kochanski crossover I never thought I’d see – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPrmOvr3jhI

    #259904
    si
    Participant

    How did you even find that?

    #259905
    tombow
    Participant

    I was watching Go-Gos music videos …

    #260081
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    I don’t know if it’s because I’m in a rather bleak place at this time due to looming redundancy, but Mr. Bean has become a sort of odd comfort food to me. He lives such a charming, innocent life (when he’s not being deliberately mean) – enjoying hobbies, going on days out, holidays down the coast etc. – and I have a sort of odd nostalgia for eighties and nineties life, fashion and leisure – maybe because I’m a bit tired of social media and, like people in the UK back then, I’m being fucked over by Tory incompetence and greed. I find Bean charming to watch in the same way as the Tim Nice-but-Dim sketches.

    #260092
    clem
    Participant

    I know where you’re coming from. This might be a funny thing to admit to but I think I’ve always found Mr Bean quite relatable. I’m a bit of a puer aeternus while also being old for my age in some ways. Sure he’s a prick at times but I think Bean is a pretty admirable character for the most part.

    #260093
    Dave
    Participant

    He seems to alternate between being quite sympathetic and naive and being quite nasty and petty. Like a child, which I think is the general idea.

    #260102
    Plastic Percy
    Participant

    That’s all pretty true. It’s a bit like Last of the Summer Wine – that innocence and carelessness of a second childhood.

    On another website, where people were discussing what the beam of light he arrives in means – is he an alien? is it symbolic of an ordinary man being cast into the spotlight? – I remember as a kid taking it quite literally and thinking he’d had some misadventure and fallen off a lamp post.

    #260103
    Dave
    Participant

    I always interpreted it as a metaphor for him being so un-used to the world and so unfamiliar with basic aspects of life that he’s like an alien among us.

    #260106
    clem
    Participant

    Pretty sure Atkinson has said the basic idea was always a child in a grownup’s body. There is stuff that implies he could be a literal alien though, like the bit in the school episode where the van der graff generator has no effect on him. In an episode of the animated series there’s a spaceship full of other members of his race who all look exactly like him. I prefer to think of him as just a simple oddball who comes up with unusual, often ingenious solutions to problems.

    I remember as a kid taking it quite literally and thinking he’d had some misadventure and fallen off a lamp post.

    Absolutely brilliant.

    #260109
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Did you know Rowan Atkinson did hours upon hours of performances as Mr. Bean for the animated series? Basically everything Mr. Bean does in that show was actually done by Rowan so they could make an “authentic” animation from the footage.

    #260111
    clem
    Participant

    Yep, he even did this: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Sh_s2XIEI !

    I’ve just remembered he gets “beamed” back up at the end (of some episodes anyway), which seems less equivocal.

    #260116
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    I don’t think he’s coming down from space, I think he’s being plonked down on Earth by God or someone. I assume that’s how Goodall read it considering ‘Ecce homo qui est faba’ and the theme.

    #260126
    clem
    Participant

    I’ve always preferred the black and white version where he’s dropped into an empty black void, before they replaced it with the cobbled London street. The black and white one has a more angelic, not so alien feeling.

    #261193
    ARossiEsquire
    Participant

    Always loved the Turkey on Head skit from the Christmas special. Through reading this thread,I only just found out about them reusing it in the movie’s American release – I also remember where he wins the turkey by subtracting its weight from his own – which was also removed from future releases.

    What was it about this turkey that demands removal?

    (I also watched one episode of Friends – the only episode I’ve watched – where they rip it off. 7 year old me was unnecessarily pissed off at that)

    #261195
    Dave
    Participant

    I think the turkey-weighing was just a cut for time wasn’t it? I don’t remember it being there in the original broadcast, but was on the video and then has been variously present/absent in subsequent releases.

    As for the movie, I thought the nod to the turkey bit in the UK version was funnier than recreating it wholesale for the US version, but both work for their respective audiences I suppose.

    #261196

    I don’t know if it’s because I’m in a rather bleak place at this time due to looming redundancy, but Mr. Bean has become a sort of odd comfort food to me. He lives such a charming, innocent life (when he’s not being deliberately mean) – enjoying hobbies, going on days out, holidays down the coast etc. – and I have a sort of odd nostalgia for eighties and nineties life, fashion and leisure – maybe because I’m a bit tired of social media and, like people in the UK back then, I’m being fucked over by Tory incompetence and greed. I find Bean charming to watch in the same way as the Tim Nice-but-Dim sketches.

    Oh yes, it’s definite comfort food telly. I’m not sure I’ve known a (largely) likeable comedy character who’s so comfortable and confident in themselves and their life other than Bean. Even his saddest moment – the crushing of his car – sees him finding a positive ending.

    #261198
    Ridley
    Participant

    He probably steals the other car.

    Watched the boxset recently cause of this thread and I’d say he’s more often a sociopath than childlike.

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