The Doctor Who Spoilers Thread – Part III

[John Hoare]

This thread continues this discussion. Careful, now.

Topic

[Ian Symes]

I really, really, really hope that’s not subscribers-only! I’ll have a look in Smiths tonight and report back…

[Seb Patrick]

Yeah, likewise. I want to see what books they’re doing with it, anyway. Smiths in Victoria didn’t have them in yet this morning, but the shelf space was clear so I’ll check tonight.

[Michael Warren]

It’s mostly Target novelisations, plus The Making of Doctor Who, Terry Nation’s Dalek Special and The Adventures of K9 and Other Mechanical Creatures. There are 27 books in total available.

[Seb Patrick]

Hahaha, I’ve got that K9 book! At least, I used to have it, years and years ago.

Yeah, just checked out a list someone posted on OG. Gutted there’s no Remembrance, I really wanted that one. Not sure if I’ll pick the mag up now, although it almost seems worth it for that cover…

[Ian Symes]

I can confirm that the Bad Wolf cover is sold in shops. I got one with The Green Death. Thus I win.

[Zombie Jim Undead]

Very very spoilery stuff for next two episodes…and the specials next year from someone who claims to have an inside source…could be bollocks and, indeed, some sounds bollocks… but some sounds potentially accurate…

SO POTENTIALLY VERY SPOILERY….

REALLY, THESE ARE BIG SPOILERS….SKIP THIS POST IF YOU DON’T WANT TO KNOW…

HERE THEY COME!

READY?

STILL READING?

Ok….

– Rose and the Doctor do not meet until the last five minutes of episode 12: The Stolen Earth, in which as the Doctor runs towards Rose he is shot by a Dalek. The left side of his chest glows and he slumps to the floor. Rose shoots the Dalek and goes to the Doctor, begging him not to die. Jack and Donna come to them and carry the Doctor to the TARDIS where he starts to regenerate…[end of episode 12]

– As the Doctor regenerates at the beginning of episode 13 the regeneration energy sparks out and hits the Doctor’s hand in the glass jar which he now has in the TARDIS. This causes the regeneration to go badly wrong, causing the Tenth Doctor to remain the Tenth Doctor, and the hand grows into a duplicate of the Tenth Doctor. So, two David Tennant’s are running around episode 13.

– The proper Doctor is still in the his brown suit. And Ten’s duplicate wears the blue suit. However, the duplicate in the blue suit is human and not a Time Lord…or Gallifreyan.

– Donna dies, but the Doctor goes back in time and saves her life and ends up wiping her memory of everything she has done with him, so she doesn’t remember who he is.

– At the end of episode 13, Rose goes back to her parallel world where the human duplicate of the Tenth Doctor stays with her, and gets to live the life that the proper Doctor has never had. Basically, the 10/Rose shippers get their ending even if its not the real Doctor. The duplicate of Ten is only human so only has a life-span of a human, so Rose gets her happy ending with a “fake Doctor”.

– Mickey and Martha will be in 5 Torchwood specials which will represent series 3.

2009 Specials Spoilers!!!

– The Master does not appear in the Series 4 finale, however he is set to appear in the 2009 specials. He was originally lined up to appear in Series 4 but is not now.

– The sea-devils are also set to reappear in the specials….

– One special will air at Easter 2009. The other three (there is now four in 2009) will be a three-parter, airing over the Christmas period, with part one on Xmas Day, part 2 on Boxing Day and Part 3 on New Years Day in 2010. (So one of the specials will air in 2010..)

[Pete Part Three]

Started reading, stopped quickly.

It’s a shame the spoilers are suddenly spilling out. They were doing a pretty good job in stopping them. For a while.

[Seb Patrick]

That botched regneration idea has been going round for AGES. I’ll believe it when I see it.

And although I could see that happening, the Rose/Ten “shipper” ending would be the worst moment in TV history if it came to pass. I could no longer feel like the show was being made for anyone other than stupid simpering fan-fiction-writing TWATS.

[Zombie Jim Undead]

Speaking of which… how about these for some excellent ideas? Found them on a Doctor Who fan fiction website. Spelling errors left intact:

Episode 1 The Quake
The Doctor takes Donna to 1985 Northumberland where it is the miners strike in the mines people are going missing getting turned into coal by a coal monster and turning into coal dust.

2 – dark matter
the doctors home truths and dark secrets are brought back to haunght him!

Episode 4 The Odd Web
A web falls to earth and some very odd eggs fall out and it’s the Racnoss but then they turn into ood then slitheen then daleks then rose. The doctor finds out it’s a shpeshifter and when it keeps changing faster and faster it becomes a bomb.
The doctor thinks of Rose and runs off and cries.

(I love the idea of ‘odd eggs’ as a weapon.)

Episode 12 The Gallifrian Rings
The Doctor takes Donna back to earth to see if The Master had still any chance of living. But when The Doctor notices The Masters ring has disapered. So The Doctor and Donna go to investigate only to realise that The Doctor is again not alone.

Episode 13 The Duplicate Power
Now with The Doctor held stuck in The ….’s labatory. Donna realises that she must steal the rings to stop the triplacate powers. But must travel the world in the TARDIS using the Doctor’s thought to control it. Donna must find the rings fast or the human race will be duplicated to death. But now all the …. needs is The Doctor’s ring. The …. mean the Rani The Rani is a time lord like The Master. Evil and is very good at disguising.

(Duplicated to death?)

[Pete Part Three]

>The doctor thinks of Rose and runs off and cries.

Excellent.

[Seb Patrick]

Incidentally, people keep thinking that the Master is somehow going to secretly be involved in Davros/the Daleks’ plan.

Conveniently forgetting that he’s as much of a mortal enemy of theirs as the Doctor is (and indeed ALL Time Lords are). Sigh.

[Zombie Jim Undead]

What about the most evil time lord ever, though? They might make an exception. Technically they’re the mortal enemy of all living beings – but they do ally with / use members of other species when it suits them…

[Seb Patrick]

Yeah, but I thought the Master had specifically thwarted/betrayed them at some point – he’s an actual Enemy. He got exterminated by them in the TVM, remember ;-)

[Zombie Jim Undead]

True, but those Daleks were either infants, ladies or had been inhaling helium. And I wouldn’t trust any of the above.

[Jonathan Capps]

Not only are those spoilers rancid ‘shipper’ crap, but if what happens at the start of 13 is what they happens, then it’s the vaguest load of shit imaginable. X doesn’t Y, FOR SOME REASON and A is a B FOR EQUALLY LACKING REASONS.

And that’s even before we get to D crossing his own T.

It’d make me puke.

[Pete Part Three]

OK, I read it. If that’s what is happens, it’ll be the lamest thing to happen on TV since…well, since DT turned into Dobby the House-Elf last season.

[pfm]

It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the rumour about three specials over the Christmas 2009 period was true. However, it’s been speculation for AGES so I’m not gonna believe that as fact until they announce it. I’d say the only thing we can be 100% certain in is Easter Saturday and Christmas Day. Tbh I think Boxing Day is a BAD idea, it’s too much. I would shift that episode back to Sept/Oct but keep the New Years Day 2010 one.

ALL of the finale ‘spoilers’ are just assumptions from what has been seen from spy photos/footage. Notice how there’s nothing about Davros. That’s because we don’t know ANYTHING about what he’s doing due to everything with him being shot in the studio. It’s very easy to guess that Rose and the Doctor only meet just as he is shot. We can also assume the inevitable regeneration goes wrong because, well, Tennant is blatantly still in the role.

The alt-Doctor being human is fucking ridiculous. Unless they’re gonna bring up the whole ‘half human’ thing there is ZERO reason for the duplicated Doctor to be human in any way. RTD is crazy if that’s the way he’s gone with that. But again I’ll believe it when I see it. I know I’ve said it wouldn’t surprise me if Rose and the Doctor had a walking-off-into-the-sunset-together moment, but to make him a duplicate human Doctor is insane and spits in the face of episodes such as Human Nature/Family of Blood where the whole point is that the Doctor is never going to get that wife, kids, old age ending shown there. Arggghhhh!!!

Why would Rose accept a ‘fake’ Doctor?

[Andrew]

> Why would Rose accept a ?fake? Doctor?

Fake orgasms?

[Pete Part Three]

That rumour certainly seems to be doing the rounds of the interweb. The only positive I’d say about it is that it utilizes the disembodied hand. It’s rather cool that a “throwaway” thing such as that has appeared in two different TV programmes over the course of 3 years and is rarely directed mentioned.

But that idea still sucks.

[Danny Stephenson]

DT turned into Dobby the House-Elf last season.

Surely you mean Barty Crouch Jr.?

YSWIDT?

[Seb Patrick]

Not only are those spoilers rancid ?shipper? crap, but if what happens at the start of 13 is what they happens, then it?s the vaguest load of shit imaginable. X doesn?t Y, FOR SOME REASON and A is a B FOR EQUALLY LACKING REASONS.

And that?s even before we get to D crossing his own T.

It?d make me puke.

Cappsy, have you been at that marijuana gin?

[Jonathan Capps]

Apart from typing “they” instead of “really”, I stand by every word :P

[pfm]

> YSWIDT?

Excellent. It makes me laugh in Goblet of Fire when it’s the courtroom flashback and the guards are grabbing Tennant (aka Barty Crouch Jr.) and he’s like ‘take your hands off me, you filthy little men!’ or something like that, it cracks me up. He just IS doing his shouty Doctor performance in that film as well.

[Seb Patrick]

http://www.denofgeek.com/television/75686/the_davros_ready_reckoner.html

[Andrew]

“the Time Lords hijack the Doctor?s TARDIS and send him to Skaro in order to prevent or alter the creation of the Daleks.”

Don’t they grab him mid-transmat after The Sontaran Experiment? The TARDIS doesn’t appear, does it?

Good piece though!

[Jonathan Capps]

> Good piece though!

He means his cock.

[Jonathan Capps]

And, yes, an excellent article, but I am never, every going to understand the appeal of Revelation or Alexi’s frankly embarrassing performance.

[pfm]

> but I am never, every going to understand the appeal of Revelation or Alexi?s frankly embarrassing performance

I agree. Some parts of Revelation ARE good (I like the crazy statue cliffhanger) but his inclusion is definitely a low point. I prefer Rememberance and even Resurrection. You just can’t get away from the fact that the Colin Baker era IS the worst, even though it’s mostly not his fault.

[ChrisM]

So, the daleks have done that hover thing before then?

I haven’t seen any of those, (or if I have it was a little bit here or there which hardley counts.)I’ll keep an eye out at my library, particularly for Genesis.

[Andrew]

> So, the daleks have done that hover thing before then?

*sigh* YES, WE’VE GOT A VIDEO!

Sorry, wrong response. But, y’know, this misconception’s been going on too bloody long…

[ChrisM]

> *sigh* YES, WE?VE GOT A VIDEO!

Hey, my experience of old Who is pretty limited. (Not as limited as Marleen, obviously, me growing up in England and all. I was well aware of it and grew up seeing bits here and there) but the only bits and pieces I saw of the daleks were trundling along streets etc.

As for the VIDEO… I’m assuming you’re referring to a link on this site, something from way back (before I joined here) or on that ginormous Fun stuff internet thread.

I’ll have a look anyway.

[Pete Part Three]

And a thousand crap comedians shudder.

[ChrisM]

And I wasn’t arguing the point. It was an exclamation “They’ve done that before then!” not, “I don’t believe it cos I didn’t see it, you’re making that up.”

[Andrew]

> As for the VIDEO? I?m assuming you?re referring to a link on this site

It’s a line from The Young Ones – in my admittedly pitiful life it’s become a response to anything that’s been restated far too often.

“Ooh, have we got a video?”/”YES, WE’VE GOT A VIDEO!”

“Ooh, so the Daleks could already levitate?”/”YES, THE DALEKS COULD ALREADY LEVITATE!”

(But then, if you have to explain it…)

[ChrisM]

Fair enough. (Young ones, another show I’ve seen little of. I hated it at the time, although I’ve seen one of two episodes relatively recently which I liked better. Interesting how comedy tastes can change isn’t it?)I can see how it can get irritating. That whole bit obviously passed me by. (Or I forgot it. ;) Theres a vague niggle of memory as I write this, possibly a thread I passed over quickly on the official site years ago….)

Anyway, never mind, its nice they took a lead from the previous series rather than the more drastic reinvention to this uber-baddie I’d expected. (Not that it was much of an issue for me.)

Anyhow, moving on…

I’m very much looking forward to the Davros stuff, but assuming most of the main bad guys of the old show have been done in new Who now, it’ll be interesting to see if Moffat and co come up with some new ones in future series. (Beyond the single episode monsters I mean, great though they are.) Still, I think there is an evil female time-lord person… I guess they might find a way of resurrecting her… (The Rani, was it? YES WE’VE GOT A VIDEO! Hee hee.)

[Pete Part Three]

The only new baddies that seem to have escaped from a single story or a two-parter are the Slitheen.

And they were shit.

[Andrew]

And the Ood. Who weren’t.

Though the term ‘baddies’ is probably unfair to them…

[Pete Part Three]

Ah, yeah. Why did I forget the more recent of the two?

[ChrisM]

And I suppose the future humans/flying globes utilized by the Master sort of qualify. Although they were certainly not baddies to begin with and more victims in their globe form later on. No, not the same league at all, (and different characters in their different forms besides) although they were a fearsome tool in their drone role.

[Ian Symes]

They don’t qualify in the slightest. For a start, Utopia is part of a three-parter with Sound of Drums/Last of the Time Lords.

[Seb Patrick]

Okay, so IDW’s Doctor Who comic has been a bit rubbish so far. But it looks like this new mini by Tony Lee and Pia Guerrera might change things. Mainly because of this :

More here…

[ChrisM]

So, Tony Lee is writing Stalag #666 too! I just saw that advertised in 2000 AD.

As for Doctor Who comics, I haven’t read that much (I read one, I believe written or part written by John Wagner some while back). The art on those samples look really nice though.

[Seb Patrick]

Pia Guerrera is really good – she drew Brian K Vaughan’s Y : The Last Man, of which Cappsy is a bit of a fan. I wasn’t hugely impressed with the art on the first IDW mini (and then felt guilty when the colourist came and commented on my review), but this looks a lot better.

[Pete Part Three]

The 8th Doctor wore green?

[Seb Patrick]

Yes, his coat was bottle green.

[Pete Part Three]

It wasn’t green in the movie though, was it?

[Seb Patrick]

Yup, pretty sure it was. I mean, the movie was quite darkly lit most of the time, but I definitely remember the coat being green. What colour did you think it was?

[Pete Part Three]

Velvet Blue! But I’m clearly wrong ^. As you say, it was darkly lit for the most part.

I’M NOT WEARING A TIE AT ALL

[Seb Patrick]

>I?M NOT WEARING A TIE AT ALL

Well done, you’ve won credit back for that one ;-)

[Arlene Rimmer BSc SSc]

Don’t mind me. I’m just gonna sit here and stare at that picture of Paul McGann for a while.

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