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  • #106951
    Tarka Dal
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    I thought it looked okay. Anything with Wilf in is usually good.

    Cappsy help me out with my waffling above. I’m sure it was you who used to have all the various episodes catergorised.

    #106952
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I reckon Performing Monkey’s got it about spot on. Although, I do remember putting together a very stripped down top ten for Gav, so I’ll try and dig that out now…

    #106953
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    Actually, I’ve found it and it’s out of date (pre series 4, not that that makes much difference) and not very good.

    So, yeah, performing monkey’s.

    #106958

    > I don?t have time to provide a full list as I?m on my phone

    Ooh hark at her.

    > I reckon Performing Monkey?s got it about spot on.

    Blatantly. Though I missed out The Christmas Invasion which was probably a schoolboy error. Though every time I think of it it’s always Tennant’s ridiculous ‘Blood control!! Oooooh I haven’t seen blood control for yeeeeeears!!!’ performance. I think Eccleston would have been so much better than Tennant in this episode, as well as several others in series 2, New Earth, Tooth & Claw, School Reunion etc. The Girl In The Fireplace is the first real Tennant episode, and even that has the embarrassment of his Doctor ‘drunk’ acting!

    #106726
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    So apparently, at the time that RTD said the “six words” thing, the title of part one was The Last Days Of Planet Earth. But Julie Gardner made them change it.

    Bitch.

    #106959
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Well, y’know, that title might have been too much of a giveaway.

    #106961
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I prefer ‘The End of Time’ Part 1 & 2 to ‘The Last Days of Planet Earth’, you could practically slap that title on half the episodes of the new series and it would be apt.

    #106963
    Andrew
    Participant

    > Well, y?know, that title might have been too much of a giveaway.

    …and so they just tell people what the title was going to be instead?

    #106964
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > I think Eccleston would have been so much better than Tennant in this episode, as well as several others in series 2, New Earth, Tooth & Claw, School Reunion etc.

    Ood. I was thinking the very same thing this morning. What is it with Moffat and Bananas? I’m halfway through ‘The Doctor Dances’ and there it is. I’ve half a mind to flick through Blink and Library/Dead just to see if there’s a strategically based yellow fruit anywhere.

    #106965
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OCtALC4nJI

    Shame about the narration and most of the jokes, but the animations lovely.

    #106978
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    > ?and so they just tell people what the title was going to be instead?

    Well the New Who production team have made some pretty bloody daft decisions before. Such as, for example, putting the Big Reveal for “Daleks in Manhattan” on the cover of the Radio fucking Times.

    #106998
    Ian Symes
    Keymaster

    Surely that was the editor of the RT’s decision? I remember the Who team being absolutely furious about it.

    #107003
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    The version I remember is this: The Radio Times approached RTD about it, and his attitude was, “Well, it’s the cover of the Radio Times!” and so they went ahead and did it. And it was fucking stupid of him to agree to it.

    But I may be wrong, there.

    #107006
    Andrew
    Participant

    Regardless, it’s very different from the title thing. Getting the RT cover is, publicity-wise, worth a great deal and hard to refuse. Changing a title because you think it’s spoilerific then releasing the old name anyway has no comparable gain.

    Which is to say: that’s not why they changed it. Of course it wasn’t. Aside from anything else, it’s no more huge, spoiler-y and OTT than the title we ended up with, or than the various other huge titles RTD has used over his run.

    #107009
    JamesTC
    Participant

    “When I said last issue that 4.17’s title was six words long, it had a completely different name – The Final Days of Planet Earth. But then we saw it on screen and said, as one, “Naaah”. Julie said, “This story’s too big! It needs Part One and Part Two!” So we broke our own rules, cos (a) that’s what rules are for and (b) there are no rules anyway. Wild and radical, that’s us!”
    RTD, DWM 416

    Nothing to do with spoilers, it didn’t look right, that is all.

    #107012
    Ridley
    Participant

    The audience should never know the episode is a multi-parter until the cliffhanger.

    #107016
    Pongo
    Participant

    >The audience should never know the episode is a multi-parter until the cliffhanger.

    I’d suggest the same for regenerations, but with the level of publicity around filming these days that’s an impossibility. A mid-season regeneration would be nice.

    #107018
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I think you need The Waters of Mars, because it’s very much playing a big part in the Tenth Doctor’s upcoming death.

    #107019
    Pongo
    Participant

    I’m sure they’ll include plenty of doctoral arrogance and po-faced foreshadowing in the End of Time. No need to waste 60 minutes of your life to see Lindsay Duncan kill herself.

    #107020
    Somebody
    Participant

    Depends on how you count it – “Rose” is included in PM’s list, but “End of the World” isn’t, in spite of that being just as much a two-parter as “Utopia”/SoD/LotTL is a three-parter (the last scene of R continues directly into the first scene of EotW, after all – it’s one scene divided for packaging rather than creative reasons.)

    And can EotW really be called either worse or less essential than “Impossible Planet”/”Satan Pit”, which PM *did* include?

    #107021
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    > And can EotW really be called either worse than ?Impossible Planet?/?Satan Pit?, which PM *did* include?

    Erm… YES?

    #107022
    Pongo
    Participant

    I haven’t tried to rewatch Impossible Planet/Satan Pit, but EotW holds up well enough – Britney Spears notwithstanding. Keep in mind I think David Tennant is the antichrist.

    #107017
    Pongo
    Participant

    re: The PerformingMonkey

    A superlative list. We’re in agreement but for TEC/TDD, Runaway Bride, Smith & J, Library 2-parter, Midnight, Turn Left, and Waters of Mars, which I would swap out for The Unquiet Dead and Gridlock.

    EDIT: I would also leave out Sound of Drums.

    #107027
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Depends on how you count it – ?Rose? is included in PM?s list, but ?End of the World? isn?t, in spite of that being just as much a two-parter as ?Utopia?/SoD/LotTL is a three-parter (the last scene of R continues directly into the first scene of EotW, after all – it?s one scene divided for packaging rather than creative reasons.)

    By that rationale, is Army of Ghosts/Doomsday/The Runaway Bride a three-parter, since the scenes continue directly into one-another? How about Smith & Jones/Shakespeare Code? Or School Reunion/Girl in the Fireplace? Bad Wolf/Parting of the Ways/Children in Need Special/Christmas Invasion/New Earth make up a five-parter, I suppose?

    No. Don’t be ludicrous. Episodes can follow directly on from one-another while still being entirely separate stories.

    And can EotW really be called either worse or less essential than ?Impossible Planet?/?Satan Pit?, which PM *did* include?

    This is also insane – TEP/TSP is one of the few bright spots of series two.

    #107028
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    Favourite RTD stories, anyone?

    GREAT (in order)

    Midnight
    Utopia
    The Stolen Earth
    Journey’s End
    The Waters of Mars
    The Christmas Invasion
    The Parting of the Ways

    GOOD

    Partners in Crime
    The Next Doctor
    Gridlock
    Boom Town
    Smith and Jones

    MEH

    The End of the World
    Love & Monsters
    Doomsday
    Tooth and Claw
    The Sound of Drums
    Army of Ghosts
    Rose

    SHITE

    New Earth
    Turn Left
    Voyage of the Damned
    Last of the Time Lords
    The Long Game
    Planet of the Dead
    World War Three
    Bad Wolf
    Runaway Bride
    Aliens of London

    #107030
    JamesTC
    Participant

    GREAT

    Midnight
    Utopia
    The Waters of Mars
    The Christmas Invasion
    Partners in Crime
    The Next Doctor
    Turn Left

    GOOD

    Journey?s End
    The Stolen Earth
    Gridlock
    Boom Town
    Smith and Jones
    Runaway Bride

    MEH

    The Parting of the Ways
    The End of the World
    The Sound of Drums
    Army of Ghosts
    Rose
    Bad Wolf

    SHITE

    Love & Monsters
    Tooth and Claw
    Doomsday
    New Earth
    Voyage of the Damned
    Last of the Time Lords
    The Long Game
    Planet of the Dead
    World War Three
    Aliens of London

    #107031
    Andrew
    Participant

    > MEH
    >
    > Rose

    This country…

    #107032
    JamesTC
    Participant

    I’d say ‘Rose’ is borderline but because of the bin and stretchyness of the naff plastic CGI it goes into Meh.

    #107033
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    I can forgive Rose’s shortcomings almost entirely based on what the episode represents and just how damn successful it is.

    #107026
    John Hoare
    Participant

    I can forgive Rose?s shortcomings almost entirely based on what the episode represents and just how damn successful it is.

    This.

    It gets better and better each time I watch it, too.

    #107034
    NitroChrisUK
    Participant
    #107040
    Tarka Dal
    Participant
    #107041
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Well despite largely agreeing with the advice above I’ve realised there just isn’t time before Xmas to bring my flatmate up to speed. So after watching Dalek we’ve gone out of sequence and jumped from Series 1 straight into Christmas Invasion. Which nicely doesn’t flashback or spoil too much of Series 1’s conclusion.

    I’m know trying to think how to negotiate a path through to Waters of Mars that introduces most of the concepts / characters that we expect to feature whilst not spoiling any of the series themselves (hence side-stepping most of series 1 above)

    Obviously the Master triumvirate is going to be essential, and I guess Planet of the Ood too if only for the bit at the end. Anything else?

    I’m thinking he doesn’t absolutely need to see how Rose leaves, or perhaps even who Donna and Martha are other than being other companions (whose stories we can watch through in full at a later date).

    #107050
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >or perhaps even who Donna and Martha are other than being other companions (whose stories we can watch through in full at a later date).

    Martha, no. Donna, yes.
    That is if your flatmate wants to understand what Donna and her crazy mind is all about the in christmas episodes.

    #107053
    Pete Part Three
    Participant

    It has come to my attention that I earlier labelled “Partners in Crime” as “good”. It is, of course, “shite” and I was thinking of another episode.

    #107056
    Tarka Dal
    Participant

    Ha ha. So Donna’s in this Xmas, Martha’s not is that right as far as we know?

    #107057
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Yep, no word on Martha from the cast list or set reports.

    #107060

    > Yep, no word on Martha from the cast list or set reports.

    That’s becaus Freema told them to fuck it when they wanted her for Children of Earth.

    #107062

    Every comment waiting for approval. How fucking fantastic. Approve my shitty arse.

    #107063
    Pongo
    Participant

    So they did one thing right.

    #107065
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    How dare you.

    #107068
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I’ve just realised that I should have put my mod hat on and told you to take all of this discussion of stuff pre-End of Time to the non-spoiler thread. This thread’s going to be pagirritated before the episode even airs.

    KARL, IT’S ALL YOUR FAULT.

    #107069
    JamesTC
    Participant

    >KARL, IT?S ALL YOUR FAULT.

    Thanks Karl. Tharl.

    #107070
    TheLeen
    Participant

    Thanks Karl. Tharl.

    :D

    #107077
    JamesTC
    Participant

    Bless you Marleen. Bleen

    #107080
    Andrew
    Participant
    #107123
    ChrisM
    Participant

    Quick edit due to:

    I?ve just realised that I should have put my mod hat on and told you to take all of this discussion of stuff pre-End of Time to the non-spoiler thread.

    I wrote this post before reading that. Sorry. Not spoilers now unless you follow the quoted URLs. Or have seen the latest Dr Who trailer.

    >http://blogtorwho.blogspot.com/2009/12/end-of-time-new-clip.html

    They actually showed part of that bit on the latest trailer too. Which I thought was perhaps a spoiler to far, although it didn’t bother me that much.

    >http://gallifreynewsbase.blogspot.com/2009/12/moffat-announces-monster-r…

    >Oooh.

    Double “oooh”.

    #107260
    Dessie
    Participant

    I was not impressed with that. The next one looks good though.

    #107261
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    So then.

    Simm-er World. !!

    #107262
    Seph
    Participant

    So…The Master’s been spending his afterlife hanging with the Dragonball Z cast?

    #107263
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster

    > I was not impressed with that. The next one looks good though.

    How come?

    Even taking into account the usual post-Who giddiness, I thought that was absolutely tremendous. The biggest sign of quality for me was how the reintegration of Donna–a character I do not like and thought had a very good ending–actually seems right and proper. At the moment, at least.

    The, of course, there’s the most bat-shit insane cliffhanger EVER, with John Simm being rock solid BRILLIANT and then… well, Time Lords.

    #107264
    Jonsmad
    Participant

    The names Lord.

    Time, Lord.

    #107265
    Dessie
    Participant

    I thought the pacing was a bit off. I understand it was setting up the finale but i was sat wishing something more would happen. I’m not a huge fan of everyone being turned into the master either, it’s just a strange idea. Simm was fantastic though and the teaser for the next episode really has me excited. I just expected more bang from this episode. Also how many times will Simm have to of changed his clothes when making that episode?

    #107266
    Andrew
    Participant

    Any chance of a new thread? Pagination has showed up at the worst possible moment!

    #107267
    Jonathan Capps
    Keymaster
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