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  • #224801
    Dave
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    The 2010 Dutch boxsets have a new commentary track. Which is nice.

    Didn’t the US set have different commentary tracks too (I’m sure I remember reading somewhere that they’d actually got Tarantino on to do a track for at least one of the episodes)?

    Does Spaced win the award for the sitcom with the highest number of alternate commentary tracks?

    #224803
    flanl3
    Participant

    In the US, we never got reversible covers on the new ones, but at least as consolation we don’t have to have that ugly straight-up-and-down massive season number on the side.

    #224804
    flanl3
    Participant

    Well, except for X.

    #224807

    I seem to be the only one leaving X and XI with their original covers.

    #224808

    Despite the odd issue with the reversible covers, I’m really glad they’re doing them though. They didn’t have to, but it’s a really nice thing to do for fans who’ll appreciate them.

    The only one better is the Doctor Who team, who started doing reversible covers as soon as the BBC logo changed and their classic range spines looked ever so slightly different to the earlier ones. The difference wasn’t dramatic, but they did them anyway, knowing that the show has a fanbase that would appreciate the whole collection being correctly aligned.

    Compare that with almost any other TV show, with which the DVD sleeve designs are all over the place.

    #224814
    Lily
    Participant

    Even on the original 8 it bugs me how they made 4 unique spines, then clearly went ‘fuck it’ and copy/pasted the spine in appropriate colours for the rest.

    Shame the Dave ones can’t even line up the main logos though.

    #224821

    Yeah, the shape of the paint markings on VII and VIII have always looked bloody awful.

    #224822
    Lily
    Participant

    It’s the same paint mark on 5 & 6, the edge is just hidden behind the logo.

    #224825

    Yeah, I think that they’re hidden means I can look at them fine. But that repeating jagged shape is so glaringly obvious.

    #224827
    si
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    I seem to be the only one leaving X and XI with their original covers.

    That’s why I both both the BluRay and the DVD. Original Bluray covers, reverse the DVD sleeves.
    Also, I like to have things. Hence the two additional RDX Steelbooks.

    #224828
    si
    Participant

    Although I haven’t got the XI steelbook yet, have I? Or the BtE bluray. Tch.

    #225408
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    BtE isn’t series IX in the same way that the Star Wars Holiday Special isn’t Star Wars Episode V.

    A stand alone, basically a pilot for Dave that we also got to see, it served a purpose but it’s not IX, it’s not even a series really. It’s meant to be one episode. You could call it a mini series I suppose but anyway, being called Back To Earth shows you that it’s not IX, otherwise it’d be called IX wouldn’t it?

    #225409
    Dave
    Participant

    BtE isn’t series IX in the same way that the Star Wars Holiday Special isn’t Star Wars Episode V.

    That analogy would make more sense if The Empire Strikes Back had been billed as Episode VI when it came out.

    #225412
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    But Series IX is a thing in canon isn’t it? (as much as you can take Red Dwarf canon as reliable), it’s just we haven’t seen it, we know that it’s a transition series between VIII and the Dave era, maybe one day we’ll get a novel about it if not a series.

    #225413
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i’d rather not see anything connected to VIII ever again

    #225414
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    Series IX and X are technically things “in canon”, but that has exactly zero bearing on the real world. You’ll note nobody has shot Cliff Richard as of yet.

    BTE is the ninth-produced series of episodes of Red Dwarf. It is followed by a series referred to by Series X, and itself follows Series VIII. Though we may not call it IX, it is the ninth series, and we need to just let that ghost lie. We’ve long since moved past debating whether there are raisins or chocolate chips and are arguing over whether or not the thing is a fucking cookie or not.

    #225415
    si
    Participant

    You’ll note nobody has shot Cliff Richard as of yet.

    My sister hasn’t got a gun.

    #225416
    GlenTokyo
    Participant

    Can 1 episode be a series? As written and as best presented it’s just the one, what would we do then? Advertising is the problem.

    I don’t see why it needs to be referred to as anything but Back to Earth to be honest, it’s only 3 syllables.

    #225417
    flanl3
    Participant

    I don’t see why it needs to be referred to as anything but Back to Earth to be honest, it’s only 3 syllables.

    Same as “Red Dwarf Ix,” and more verifiably accurate.

    #225418
    bloodteller
    Participant

    Back To Earth is Back To Earth though

    #225421
    Ben Paddon
    Participant

    I agree, Back to Earth is absolutely Back to Earth. It’s not Series IX. But it is the ninth series of Red Dwarf, in the same way that there isn’t technically a series I and II, but we do have a first and second series of the show.

    #225422
    Dave
    Participant

    Exactly.

    #225423
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Why isn’t there technically a Series I and II?

    #225424
    bloodteller
    Participant

    i think there is a Series I and II, isn’t there? it’s on my shelf, im sure of it

    #225426
    Dave
    Participant

    That technically isn’t your shelf.

    #225427
    Richietee
    Participant

    I love seeing how everyone displays thier DVD collection in an odd way!
    Here’s a pre-XI/XII photo of my Red Dwarf shelf

    I used the custom “Series IX” cover just for uniformity and the rest are customs

    #225428
    Richietee
    Participant

    Also there is not a single bonus feature on the USA bootleg let alone 3 hours! I just wanted to put some “Bonus Material” text on the cover

    #225429
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    I’d have called the main pilot the feature and the promo the Bonus Feature, to get around that.

    #225430
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    >i think there is a Series I and II, isn’t there? it’s on my shelf, im sure of it

    Basically, there’s a long-running G&T argument that the first two series aren’t referred to by Roman numerals, because that way of naming the show only came in with Series III. As such, they’ve always been pedantically referred to around here as “Series 1” and “Series 2”.

    I have never agreed with this, because Roman numerals have been used for the first two series ever since the VHS releases. And the DVD spines refer to them as “Series I” and “Series II”. Whereas I’ve never seen “Series 1” and “Series 2” used in any official context, anywhere.

    #225431
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Fucking hell, that’s right up there with the pillocks who refuse to refer to the original Star Wars as “a new hope” or “episode IV” despite not even being born before Return of the Jedi.

    Like people will rank them “Empire > Star Wars > Jedi”

    #225432
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    The tone of that post makes it seem like every time I see someone refer to Episode IV as Star Wars I break out in a cold sweat and grind my teeth but it’s not that extreme

    #225433
    Dave
    Participant

    Also, John Hurt’s War Doctor means that all subsequent Doctors must now be referred to by different numbers than they were previously known as.

    #225434
    Dave
    Participant

    Anyway, I think the easiest way to solve the Back To Earth dilemma is to acknowledge that there are some undisputed facts about the name of the series, but that what you call it really comes down to personal choice.

    So:

    – It is the ninth series of episodes of Red Dwarf.
    – It has never been referred to officially as Series IX or Series 9.
    – The two series either side of it are series VIII and series X.
    – The official name of the series is Back To Earth.

    Given that we should all be able to agree on those things, who really cares whether we refer to it as Series IX or BTE or whatever in casual conversation or on homemade DVD labels. We all know what we’re talking about.

    Like the numbering of the Doctors, it only becomes an issue if overly-pedantic fans decide to make it one.

    #225435
    Richietee
    Participant

    >I’d have called the main pilot the feature and the promo the Bonus Feature, to get around that.

    Bah! that’s a great idea really wish I’d done that now! :)

    #225436
    bloodteller
    Participant

    >Fucking hell, that’s right up there with the pillocks who refuse to refer to the original Star Wars as “a new hope” or “episode IV” despite not even being born before Return of the Jedi.
    Like people will rank them “Empire > Star Wars > Jedi”

    this just makes me think of that old joke from back when the Phantom Menace came out about how the Empire Strikes Back was now the fifth of the four Star Wars films

    #225439

    – It has never been referred to officially as Series IX or Series 9.

    Shall I bring up the French DVD again?

    #225440
    Dave
    Participant

    By all means. I think you’ll find that refers to it as ‘Saison IX’, so the statement is accurate.

    #225443
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    >Also, John Hurt’s War Doctor means that all subsequent Doctors must now be referred to by different numbers than they were previously known as.

    Nah because he wasn’t the Doctor, except he was, but no one called him that, except when they did, because he was a horrible person, except he wasn’t, who did terrible things, until he didn’t. Clear?

    #225444
    flanl3
    Participant

    – It is the ninth series of episodes of Red Dwarf.

    No, it’s one episode that was split up into three parts for the broadcast, wasn’t it?

    #225446
    Dave
    Participant

    No, it’s one part that was split into three episodes.

    #225448
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Well, is Back in the Red one episode? Is Pete? Was BtE really just split into three episodes seemingly at random, or was consideration given to structure and breaks, etc? I think it was the latter, given the delete bunk scene originally intended for part three. Therefore, it was made into three episodes and broadcast as such, with the director’s cut coming later.

    It is both one episode and three episodes.

    #225451
    flanl3
    Participant

    The idea with Back to Earth was that it was meant to be continuous with the director’s cut to be the definitive version, whereas with Back in the Red and Pete the plan with those, upon broadcast, was to leave those as the definitive versions, and they only combined three parts into the one for the DVD, if I’m not mistaken about all of this. Which I very well could be.

    #225452

    Anyway, as per my Frost link above, some shows have ‘series’ that consist of one episode. Given that BtE was broadcast and released on DVD as three separate episodes, it’s a bloody series. Given that it came between VIII and X, and no other material has been called series IX, it’s the ninth series. Given that all the other series are generally referred to by Roman numerals, and some people like continuity in what they say and write, it’s not an absurd leap to call it series IX.

    Anybody who genuinely thinks that is an issue needs a smack.

    #225454
    pfm
    Participant

    I remember Doug or one of the cast mentioning ‘series nine’ so that’s good enough for me. :p

    Also it IS ‘1’ and ‘2’ because they never had an official title, as opposed to the proceeding series’ which were actually known as ‘Red Dwarf III’ etc. technically all of them are ‘3’ ‘4’ etc. but people use the numerals for III onwards cause it was the actual title. Video releases MAY retcon that but whatever it’s still….a bone of contention (i.e. WRONG :p).

    New Doctor Who is officially classed as a different show to the classic series (granted, this is probably solely due to boring stuff like rights renegotiations etc.), so it is and always will be wrong to call it ‘season 27’ and on, despite the fact people continue to do so.

    fuck anyone in the face three times who disagrees bellend pricks suck

    #225455
    Dave
    Participant

    Scoff all you want, but I’m greatly enjoying series 1,693 of Eastenders this week.

    #225456
    Seb Patrick
    Keymaster

    Also it IS ‘1’ and ‘2’ because they never had an official title, as opposed to the proceeding series’ which were actually known as ‘Red Dwarf III’ etc. technically all of them are ‘3’ ‘4’ etc. but people use the numerals for III onwards cause it was the actual title.

    Wellllll only Series III uses “Red Dwarf III” onscreen – none of Series IV, V or VI do so. So is “Red Dwarf IV” any more correct than “Red Dwarf I”? Only if you give the Radio Times listing more authority than the onscreen title card.

    And even if you are going by the Radio Times argument, the “Red Dwarf [Numeral]” discussion is entirely separate from the “Series [Numeral]” discussion. I can understand doing this:

    Red Dwarf (series 1)
    Red Dwarf (series 2)
    Red Dwarf III
    Red Dwarf IV
    Red Dwarf V
    … etc

    … although I wouldn’t do it myself. But I can’t see any justifiable basis for this:

    Red Dwarf Series 1
    Red Dwarf Series 2
    Red Dwarf Series III
    Red Dwarf Series IV
    Red Dwarf Series V
    … etc

    … since, unless anyone wants to correct me, the first time “Series [Numeral]” was officially used to designate the series was on the DVD releases. And in that instance, they all used numerals.

    #225457
    Ben Saunders
    Participant

    Now this is the kind of anality I signed up to this site for

    #225458
    Dave
    Participant

    since, unless anyone wants to correct me, the first time “Series [Numeral]” was officially used to designate the series was on the DVD releases.

    Interestingly (no, really), the Red Dwarf Remastered VHS release of all three series refers to ‘Series I-III’, and predates the DVDs.

    The individual Remastered VHS releases refer to ‘Series One’, ‘Series Two’ and ‘Series Three’ though, without numerals.

    #225459
    Dave
    Participant

    Oh, and the VHS releases of the original unremastered series are labelled ‘Red Dwarf I’ etc., although not ‘Red Dwarf Series I’.

    #225460
    cwickham
    Participant

    Apart from “Backwards” using “Series III” in the Star Wars crawl, the only other series to have the Roman numeral onscreen are the ones from after Rob left. I wonder if this was something Doug was particularly keen on? I wonder what the impetus for marketing the first series in over three years with a giant “VII” was?

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